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[Kirari Momobami]

I like that with Kirari's explanation I can simultaneously be SK, traitor and groupscum lmao

all I know is that you ain't town lol

[ofrhz]

Alternatively you could not hammer and follow me on Of.

I feel like your stated reasons for wanting me lynched are pretty ... weak compared to how much conviction you have in me flipping scum.

Who else do you scumread?

[ofrhz]

I do admit I am not sure otter has the disposition to try to fake a townslip to dodge a lynch as scum

But I also am kinda blown away by him missing 4 pages worth of posts discussing traitors in this game... That's 4% of the entire game he has not understood, basically all of it in the last 10 days

Like, convince me that all that setup spec is worth my time reading right now. It feels like a distraction from hunting groupscum, which seems like a better priority.

Do you think nom and kirari are tvt?

[nomnomnom]

I like that with Kirari's explanation I can simultaneously be SK, traitor and groupscum lmao

all I know is that you ain't town lol

Considering that the three roles approach the game differently I feel you're not even trying to state a case on me

[nomnomnom]

Alternatively you could not hammer and follow me on Of.

I feel like your stated reasons for wanting me lynched are pretty ... weak compared to how much conviction you have in me flipping scum.

Who else do you scumread?

I like Kirari for a traitor here just because of the atrocious analysis and lies she brought up, gives me a pretty typical bad townie traitor vibe.

[Kirari Momobami]

Alternatively you could not hammer and follow me on Of.

I feel like your stated reasons for wanting me lynched are pretty ... weak compared to how much conviction you have in me flipping scum.

Who else do you scumread?

She asks after nom has dodged my requests for a reads list not once but twice

[LuckyOtter]

I do admit I am not sure otter has the disposition to try to fake a townslip to dodge a lynch as scum

But I also am kinda blown away by him missing 4 pages worth of posts discussing traitors in this game... That's 4% of the entire game he has not understood, basically all of it in the last 10 days

Like, convince me that all that setup spec is worth my time reading right now. It feels like a distraction from hunting groupscum, which seems like a better priority.

Do you think nom and kirari are tvt?

It seems possible. I'm not convinced the setup spec is an intentional distraction, if that's what you're getting at. I just feel at this stage it's a rabbit hole not worth going too far down.

[popsofctown]

If Kirari is the traitor I should DEFINITELY sheep her, she knows who the scum are!!!!!

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: otter ok I will sheep you kirari you're my new nero cain you didn't lead me into mislynch yesterday and you don't make fun of my animu

I like the sentiment but I think I'm down to 50/50 on otter lol

The less confident I am on him the more I want to lynch nom and hope game is solved tomorrow with mass

[popsofctown]

I am cool with collectively deciding nom should go first in mass

And if we lynch a claimed VT that dynamic is all the more powerful, and Otter is probably the scummier of the two claimed VTs although Jesus is sure trying to change that today >_>

Work wit me here

[Kirari Momobami]

Idk between being 90%sure nom is scum and 60% sure she's not main faction vs only 50% thinking otter is main faction I'm kinda at... Just get nom's flip and know how many mislynches we got tomorrow during mass.

[Kirari Momobami]

I'll keep thinking about it anyway. I want to look into Otter more about this not knowing traitor mech thing because that's still really jarring to me

[popsofctown]

i'm not really seeing 90% chance nom is scum but i'm sure you've explained it

[DeasVail]

Uh I was hoping Otter would be lynched.

First thought is that I’m not impressed by any traitor-related tells at this point. It’s just become an easy way for scum to “townslip” imo and especially if you’re about to be lynched why wouldn’t you try it?

I’ll take a more proper look through everything this afternoon though.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 4.4

LuckyOtter(5)DeasVail,popsofctown,Vorkuta,Kirari Momobami,Nero Cain,

ofrhz(3)LuckyOtter,nomnomnom,Jesus Louisus,

Not Voting(1)ofrhz,

Vorkuta(1)Kublai Khan,

Jesus Louisus(0)

Nero Cain(0)

BodhiSmith13

DeasVail(0)

Saudade

Lil Uzi Vert

popsofctown(0)

HeWhoSwims

nomnomnom(0)

Kublai Khan(0)

Kirari Momobami(0)

No Lynch(0)

With 10 alive it is 6 to lynch.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2019-07-17 18:43:00) or when a lynch has been achieved.

No change.

[Kirari Momobami]

Yeah otter had never said the word "traitor" before this game... If he really thought traitor was like sk???????? Then I guess it makes sense he would not react to the chamge of mech......even if it rrally bothers me that he understands the mech now?

But I kinda don't think scum otter fakes a traitor dumbtell


Now there is still a question....creature would not explain what a traitor is and I am honestly not sure about redflavor. But it is hard to imagine otter as groupscum would be informed there is a traitor and then never investigate it.

But it still really bothers me he never got it clarified as town even though it's been actively discussed for a week and a half

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: nom.

This just increasingly feels like the better choice

[popsofctown]

VOTE: nom i can join a universe were people get tired of townslips/fake townslips and people only play open setups

[nomnomnom]

i'm not really seeing 90% chance nom is scum but i'm sure you've explained it

VOTE: nom i can join a universe were people get tired of townslips/fake townslips and people only play open setups

I'm expecting an explanation for this change of heart soon.

[nomnomnom]

@Kirari you seriously think Otter is town and that I'm scum?

[nomnomnom]

I'd like to also note that the Of wagon has crazy levels of opposition with literally 0 arguments against her lynch.

[nomnomnom]

You guys seem to love your traitor theories, you probably should look at an actual wagon that has a lot of opposition to it despite no arguments being given for Of town and letting people redirect wagons at will with a bit more than one day left on the clock. Use your brains.

[popsofctown]

I just really buy the townslip.

I'd still really prefer to lynch a claimed VT over an unclaimed player with the lead we have, maybe you could talk me into voting Jesus.

[popsofctown]

Hm, yeah I could do VOTE: ofrhz
playing the way she has is kinda scumclaim/vt claim

[Kirari Momobami]

OK let's review.

Town: pops -- high confidence town

Conditional read -- Kublai Khan is very high confidence town given he produces a vig that is NOT HIMSELF tomorrow, assuming there is a tomorrow

nero -- medium confidence town
ofrhz -- medium/low confidence town -- off meta, I slightly think ofrhz is outside her scumrange... not dramatically, but this is definitely not her "comfortable" scumrange which is more of a hardlurky style. It's possible she was pushed out by consistent pressure, but I also dislike her treatment of the redflavor wagon as s/s.

Lucky Otter -- low confidence town -- being scum requires believing he faked a dumbtell irt traitor which based on his disposition and style I frankly just don't think he does, you're welcome to disagree and lynch him past me since he's just a vt anyway

Potential Groupscums:
Jesus Louisus -- don't love this for groupscum due to being the counter-wagon to RF. Cross-busses are not impossible, particularly given this scumteam in particular seems to like cross-busses, but a mid-game cross-bus like the one between jesus louisus and redflavor seems a bit harder to see as s/s vs. the early game distancing the whole scumteam was doing. Not impossible though. Oh yeah, I also didn't like his comment about pisskop coming from someone who planned to kill him that night, although I guess? it could have been RedFlavor's kill choice? ehhh

DeasVail -- Didn't like him pairing me with Creature in 708, but the more I think about this game I'm kinda warming up to 1274. Obviously that he defended Creature early game and then defended Red in 1493 is not a good look. I also kinda like the list in 1639. The main problem in sorting this slot is that so much of the iso is built around Otter, so if Otter is town it's kinda an additionally bad look. Even so the enthusiasm for the otter lynch feels genuine, in posts such as 2260. I feel pretty conflicted on this slot but there are good points to be made in considering a read either way.

Vork -- I kinda have been second guessing this slot a little since I realized he did the "time for a scum {X}" thing as scum recently, that post was one of the main reasons I didn't like him for main-faction groupscum but outside of that I need to reread what this slot has been doing probably. Actually it's hard to remember what he's done since he's been jarringly absent since day 1? Maybe this is actually a better chance of last groupscum than I thought?

Basically never town, some reasons to think maybe? not last groupscum
nomnomnom -- more to come on this in a bit

Actually can everyone remind me what their read of Vork is right now?