What did you think of my analysis and DV/LuckyOtter as the choices?In post 2923, Kirari Momobami wrote:Gollum is nero
@Nero Cain - Same question
What did you think of my analysis and DV/LuckyOtter as the choices?In post 2923, Kirari Momobami wrote:Gollum is nero
Eh.. flip it. If DeasVail doesn't flip scum, I'll shoot LuckyOtter.In post 2926, Gollum wrote:VOTE: lucky otter
Khan can just shoot dead tonight if the game isn't over
I don't even know what I'm defending against tbhIn post 2924, Kublai Khan wrote:Okay, you've got nothing as a defense. Got it.In post 2917, DeasVail wrote:Oh?In post 2874, DeasVail wrote:Anyway, I've looked over some things again and I feel like everything points to
VOTE: LuckyOtter?
Okay. Well, I guess you have until your lynch to figure it out.In post 2929, DeasVail wrote:I don't even know what I'm defending against tbhIn post 2924, Kublai Khan wrote:Okay, you've got nothing as a defense. Got it.In post 2917, DeasVail wrote:Oh?In post 2874, DeasVail wrote:Anyway, I've looked over some things again and I feel like everything points to
VOTE: LuckyOtter?
Lol this is a really funny post given the talk about 'signaling' on the part of the traitorIn post 26, Nero Cain wrote:but you were scum so you are claiming scum?In post 18, HeWhoSwims wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain this has won me a game before so it's worth a shot
This is just tinfoil otter?In post 2931, Kirari Momobami wrote:Lol this is a really funny post given the talk about 'signaling' on the part of the traitorIn post 26, Nero Cain wrote:but you were scum so you are claiming scum?In post 18, HeWhoSwims wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain this has won me a game before so it's worth a shot
Ice cream goddess there's no way hws tries to "signal" he's scum to nero in a way only he would get right?
To be fair I had the same thought about how signaling would work. My only defense is that nom clearly didn't use that strategy toward Red. And I was nom's first straight up 'townread' only after you, btw, so it's not like nom came in with the strategy of signaling just one of the scum by townreading them right off the bat, unless it's you somehow. I'm just thinking there was no signaling and nom was working associatives very carefully. So nom avoiding talking about Vork, for example, doesn't dissuade me from thinking he's scum.In post 2885, Kublai Khan wrote:LuckyOtter - HeWhoSwims/nomnomnom calling him town or lynchbait all game.
Nero Cain - "Random" First vote of HeWhoSwims. nomnomnom never gave a read.
ofrhz - nomnomnom was partial to ofrhz lynch over LuckyOtter lynch.
Vorkuta - Barely mentions Vorkuta.
BodhiSmith13-DeasVail - nomnomnom calls DeasVail town for hesitating on the RedFlavor lynch.
Kirari Momobami - Went from town read to scummy in a sort of self-preservation fashion.
I think Kirari Momobami and ofrhz are off the table for today.
I think a traitor generally tries to signal the groupscum not to kill them, and tries to protect them by calling them town.
So.. I think LuckyOtter is the strongest contender for lynch and failing that, DeasVail for vig-shot. I would strongly reccomend Nero Cain for lynch following that.
For example. Hedging on bothIn post 1176, nomnomnom wrote:Red is odd sounding. Not even because he's not a native speaker, just odd posts.In post 1174, Kirari Momobami wrote:@nomnom what do you think of vork and red?
I could see myself voting there today.
Vork? Eeeeh. No idea.
If we want more tinfoil signaling theories I guess this from nom directed at neroIn post 1184, nomnomnom wrote:I also have a mental note on you that you don't seem to stand out as much in this game than the others I've seen of you but different parameters and all that.
This game is a bit different and it's a bit hard to place myself here.
I mean, HWS would have known scum were informed of a traitor, and then he made no response to Nero's comment here did he? I also think 532 is super awkward lolIn post 2935, LuckyOtter wrote:But the signaling would just come from hws, and I wouldn't expect Nero to respond to it. If this was the signal I don't think Nero would be all 'are you signaling me, buddy? Nudge nudge wink wink'
That said I haven't come up with any better ideas of where there might be any signaling.
I get what you're saying, but realistically you were at L-1 and nomnomnom absolutely would not hammer. She could have easily justified placing the hammering vote, but didn't.In post 2936, LuckyOtter wrote:To be fair I had the same thought about how signaling would work. My only defense is that nom clearly didn't use that strategy toward Red. And I was nom's first straight up 'townread' only after you, btw, so it's not like nom came in with the strategy of signaling just one of the scum by townreading them right off the bat, unless it's you somehow. I'm just thinking there was no signaling and nom was working associatives very carefully. So nom avoiding talking about Vork, for example, doesn't dissuade me from thinking he's scum.
Yeah I need to stop avoiding rereading Nero.In post 2940, Kirari Momobami wrote:I mostly just want to have a clear towncase on Nero independently based on his own play so that I can confidently ignore whatever noise HWS spewed out.
- Let's say HWS and Nom were signaling Nero. He later presses against nom, again for setup spec. I guess it's not an impossible strategy given that he would have been bussing Creature and Red, but then to push nom seems a bit dangerous. That said, he never really pushed nom that hard, and actually criticized Kirari for voting there instead of me:In post 825, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, it's not like I was fussing at him for a lack of scum reads. But I do think his setup spec that we didn't have 4 scum is fake dumbtelling or legit TMI but he's either real claiming SK or lulz claiming SK.
- If DV has been obsessing over me all game, Nero has done the same with Montosh, but his fizzling out post-Montosh lynch feels just a bit more like town having the wind taken out of his sails than scum having a singular strategy of obsessing over 1 person and then not knowing what to do after getting that person lynched.In post 1863, Nero Cain wrote:isn't there a wagon there today? Why not join that instead of push Nom with 3 days left?In post 1860, Kirari Momobami wrote:Otter is still toward the bottom of my PoEIn post 1846, Nero Cain wrote:the other is?
I wouldn't really advise anyone to take me to lylo, lol. But yeah I get what you mean. And nom almost got themselves lynched over their gambit but I think the goal was to pocket me and take me to lylo, or try to look really good after my green flip, or make me look bad after their flip. Not going to hold it against you for taking me out because I'd probably do the same. It's not really in my nature to go down without at least a little fight. But I realize I'm a liability at this point.In post 2941, Kublai Khan wrote:I get what you're saying, but realistically you were at L-1 and nomnomnom absolutely would not hammer. She could have easily justified placing the hammering vote, but didn't.In post 2936, LuckyOtter wrote:To be fair I had the same thought about how signaling would work. My only defense is that nom clearly didn't use that strategy toward Red. And I was nom's first straight up 'townread' only after you, btw, so it's not like nom came in with the strategy of signaling just one of the scum by townreading them right off the bat, unless it's you somehow. I'm just thinking there was no signaling and nom was working associatives very carefully. So nom avoiding talking about Vork, for example, doesn't dissuade me from thinking he's scum.
If you were town, I don't really understand why she'd delay a hammering vote on a townie for so long and risk a last minute quick wagon on her actual partner.
If you were me, would you allow LuckyOtter to make it to LYLO?
This was the basis of Alch's towncase on Otter, I remember not actually liking this post at the time but I can't remember why I didn't like it anymore lolIn post 1212, LuckyOtter wrote:If there's scum on the Creature wagon, wouldn't they be more likely to be earlier on it? Red and vork were votes 2 and 3, not putting creature in any real danger. The second wave was Kop(Niko), Nero, Roster, Jesus. I just don't see scum doing that when Creature is not even obviously the lynch.In post 1150, Eyes without a face wrote:Both RedFlavor and Vorkuta have been early on the Creature wagon and not on Niko, so I don't think they're scum with Creature.
Now, Roster immediately unvotes, as does Red after Alchemist joins. So I'm still good with Red as scum here. Roster is unclear. I'm good with Alchemist and Nero as town, and leaning town on Jesus.
This seems a weird thing to say if you think I’m scum.In post 2944, LuckyOtter wrote:Just promise to remember I had a few good reads this game and wasn't a total fuckup, lol