The Mystery Box Of Silver 5: Clash of Cash death grips

[mastina]

Could it be interpreted as evidence of lying? He claims ascetic, successful visit -> He's lying?

Yes.
Would require either a tracker or a follower, sure.

But again.

Those powers are near-universally present in MBOS games and was really hoping one was present this game to be used on me last night.

[mastina]

If she wanted to test the ascetic why didnt she fruit-vend him?

Because of the number of failure conditions.
How could I differentiate between Rhinox being ascetic and Rhinox simply not claiming the fruit?
Assuming a tracker tracked me, how could a tracker differentiate between me fruit vending one target and visiting the other?
In both cases, there's no way to do so with me visiting Auro and Fruit Vending Rhinox, regardless of whether Rhinox receives the fruit or does not, and simply remains silent.

By fruit vending to Auro, the latter is fixed. A tracker tracking me would thus either see me visit Rhinox (in which case, he's not ascetic), or would not see me visit Rhinox (in which case, he's ascetic); the tracker would know I fruit vended to Auro because Auro would always claim the fruit.

Simple logic.

[ElevenThirty]

Mastina i'm trying to decide rn if i should just sheep ank

[ElevenThirty]

But in a void. Left to my own devices. Not taking into account their feedback. I'd be locktowning Auro here absolutely.

From my pov, the game is:
One of you/rhinox
One of pk/auro

I think out of all of these i most want to lynch pk but the fact that i just mislynched him in mylo makes me hesitatnt to trust that read

[mastina]

Mastina i'm trying to decide rn if i should just sheep ank

The answer is always to sheep Ank, the real question is which Ank to sheep.
(And also, how to determine what would actually be considered 'sheeping Ank'. )

[ElevenThirty]

Oh also I thought Toogeloo was scum until he claimed survivor; I as scum would not have thought of the idea of claiming 3P; I as scum would not have told Toogeloo to claim 3P; Toogeloo knows me well enough to know that I pretty much never doubt 3P claims so has more incentive to pull off the 3P claim with me as town specifically so I'd be inclined to defend him.

Ok so who here does, that's the question

I would, but incidentally I happen to know I'm not scum here

[ElevenThirty]

pedit but why does yay die over mastina if they're both town then ?

Aside from how the 1v1 between Rhinox and I was left unresolved?
Aside from how the 1v1 between you and Yayvideogames was considered by many to be "quite possibly TvT"?
Aside from how Yayvideogames at various points during D4 scumread most of the players?
Aside from how Yayvideogames was on the scum lynch whereas I wasn't?

How about just the fact that Yayvideogames is made up of three players who each on their own as solo players are more competent than I am, yet alone when together in a hydra?

Right

I'm slightly burnt out and i dont feel like i'm as ~sharp~ as i usually am rn

That's partly why sheeping feels so appealing rn, sigh

[ElevenThirty]

And what's the point of visiting someone who's ascetic

I was hoping, to be honest, that someone in the game received a tracker power (a near-universal power present in MBOS games) and tracked me last night.

Fruit Vending to Auro would ensure that half of my action was 100% confirmed to have gone through because he'd claim to receive the fruit and the tracker would have seen that--leaving a tracker tracking me as then being able to test whether my visit on Rhinox went through or not.

Vice-versa doesn't work as well. If I fruit vended to Rhinox and visited Auro, then the only proof to be had is IF Rhinox received the fruit AND chose to claim he received the fruit (something he very well may choose not to). A tracker tracking me to only Auro wouldn't know that it was a visit to Auro; a tracker tracking me to both Auro and Rhinox wouldn't know that it was fruit vending to Rhinox unless Rhinox claimed the fruit.

It just seemed like the smarter play.

Ok this actually makes sense, i think

[ElevenThirty]

I guess i'm at rhinox/pk rn but i'm not confident in it

[pisskop]

in too town to ml

[pisskop]

lets kill auro before we go ham skitter

[pisskop]

i think your problem is that you townread engagement. you think that because people spew abstract opinions your way they're town

[pisskop]

I'm tins less sure about mastina and rhino than auro

auro is super obvious scum

[ElevenThirty]

i think your problem is that you townread engagement. you think that because people spew abstract opinions your way they're town

Well not engagement, exactly, more the second bit - people posting things and thoughts that make sense to me makes me want to townread

It's a bit of a problem

[pisskop]

Youve seen example after example of why that isnt a good metric tho. Its not about respecting their opinion or w.e.


I like to analyze intent, not content. Why people do things, and when, is far, far more telling than what they do.

[pisskop]

I bet a reiso of voted would reveal his dark and insidious nature given what we know about auro.

[pisskop]

Like I feel I shouldnt have to spoonfeed my reasonings to people. Im much more of a 'lead you to the path to find water' than a 'force you to drink' kind of player.

[pisskop]

Spoiler: Fairly Obvtown Posting in Here

lets kill auro before we go ham skitter

i think your problem is that you townread engagement. you think that because people spew abstract opinions your way they're town

I'm tins less sure about mastina and rhino than auro

auro is super obvious scum

Youve seen example after example of why that isnt a good metric tho. Its not about respecting their opinion or w.e.


I like to analyze intent, not content. Why people do things, and when, is far, far more telling than what they do.

Like I feel I shouldnt have to spoonfeed my reasonings to people. Im much more of a 'lead you to the path to find water' than a 'force you to drink' kind of player.

[ElevenThirty]

Youve seen example after example of why that isnt a good metric tho. Its not about respecting their opinion or w.e.


I like to analyze intent, not content. Why people do things, and when, is far, far more telling than what they do.

i know it isn't; but it's something that i have a lot of trouble with; this is kinda like my blindspot

for example: i've townread scum!implosion i think three times now because he makes sense to me
i know that i do this each time, but i have trouble distinguishing between 'making sense' and 'towntelling' for some players, and rhinox is in that category apparently

[ElevenThirty]

I bet a reiso of voted would reveal his dark and insidious nature given what we know about auro.

i actually reread a lot of day1 and he's one of the towniest players there so

[Auro]

i think your problem is that you townread engagement. you think that because people spew abstract opinions your way they're town

"Let's kill Auro for being non present"
Hmmmmmmm.

[Auro]

Mastina, my read on you was sheeping Yay's read on you + that NK never comes from you.

[pisskop]

i think your problem is that you townread engagement. you think that because people spew abstract opinions your way they're town

"Let's kill Auro for being non present"
Hmmmmmmm.

A good example of intent is using a strawman and misrepresentation of an argument when under pressure because youve been a nonfactor and only post when your tush is on the line in lylo.

[pisskop]

Notice how Im scum to him but he continues to engage with what I say

[schadd_]

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