Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Korina]

VOTE COUNT 2.12

Persivul (3, L-3!):

Doctor Drew, gobbledygook, Sakura Hana

gobbledygook (1):

Rick Dalton

Sakura Hana (1):

Persivul

Doctor Drew (0):

James Brafin (0):

Formerfish (0):

Spangled (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

Skygazer (0):

Chemist1422 (0):

Rick Dalton (0):

No-Lynch (0):

Not Voting (6):

Spangled, Chemist1422, Gamma Emerald, James Brafin, Skygazer, Formerfish
With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

(expired on 2019-08-13 00:35:00) remain in the day.

Mod Notes

:
- Remember: Flavor is just flavor. Don't use it to make arguments.
- Chemist1422 is V/LA until Thursday, August 8th, 2019.
- Spangled is V/LA until Weekday, Month Day, Year due to being "sicker than any dog you care to name with a diarrhea-and-vomit bug"
- Skygazer is V/LA until Friday, August 9th, 2019.
- I am V/LA until Friday, August 9th, 2019.

Me being Me

- Sakura Hana is now recovering from the cold.
- Rick Dalton has corrected me: They don't watch movies, they live them. I can only assume this means their activity will be lessened.
- Formerfish has informed me that they don't watch movies, they direct them and everyone in them. I can only assume this means their activity will be lessened.

[James Brafin]

Ok, first things first. I’m done with this inactivity bull.

@Mod, v/la until the afternoon of the 14th.

I’m trying to keep up as best as I can, but I’m moving out and it’s super insane. Activity level alone is NOT a reason to scumread me, but if you have other reasons let me know and I’ll try to find time to have a civil conversation.
We have three outed PRs here: Doc, Vig, and 1-shot tracker. Of all of those, the doc is the strongest I think. While I don’t like Drew’s play at all, the crumbs are semi-valid and there’s no reason to not question it.
Tracker is impossible to prove without a flip and really doesn’t tell us anything. I’m going to act like nothing’s there.
Vig bothers me to be honest. It’s a convenient excuse for Maf/SK that can’t reliably be cleared. And we’re supposed to assume Gob holstered N1? Of all the possible claims, this one is the most likely to be faked by scum. I also don’t like the over-emphasis on mechanics and activity levels and similar by Gob. While I think a bit of that is well and good, this seems like a bit much to me.

To be honest, I need my freaking flowchart. I’m going to whip that up for at least through day 1 and start to piece some associations together. Be back shortly.

[Rick Dalton]

UNVOTE: gob

Hmm

[Rick Dalton]

Is there SK potential there?

[Skygazer]

i don't get why we can't just lynch the claimed doctor !!!

[Sakura Hana]

i don't get why we can't just lynch the claimed doctor !!!

To clarify, i still think you and drew have a decent chance of being scum, but if you're town, then scum wants you dead as much as i do, so i wont be doing their job for them.

[Skygazer]

that was a little tongue in cheek

[Skygazer]

VOTE: james

can we do this

[Persivul]

What are all the claims rn, my gut tells me the setup isn't looking right here

What are all the claims rn, my gut tells me the setup isn't looking right here

Chemist - 1 shot tracker
Turkey - Vig
Doctor - Doctor(lol)

Ok, thought there were more rn
PEdit: Persivul said it was trying to direct votes away from Turkey because Persivul thought Turkey was cop @drew

1. There's also IC.
2. The 1X tracker if true means there must also be a full cop or tracker, but that hasn't been claimed yet
3. The vig if true means there must also be 1X PGO or a vengeful, but that hasn't been claimed yet

The claims so far are analogous to flipping a coin 7 times, and getting tails 6 times.

[Persivul]

tbh, i actually havent been paying attention to any sort of crumbs or anything about people hinting towards their PRs, I feel like that's only useful as scum, I only pay attention to potential investigation crumbs after someone dies. Then persivul comes right at me with the idea that "OMG HE'S OBVIOUSLY CRUMBING COP, YOU'RE SCUM THAT SAW THE CRUMB AND WANT HIM TO CLAIM" or something.

No, I made no mention that you should have seem his crumbs. Why the big loud misrep?

[Persivul]

In a past run of C9++ davesaz made a deep run doing this iirc

In C9++, it's easier to do, because a vig can exist by itself.

In this setup, a vig means there must also be a 1X PGO or Vengeful.

We have a simple mechanical solve on gobble that does no harm to us.

These people haven't claimed:
Gamma Emerald
Skygazer
James Braffin
Sakura Hana
Persivul
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

Every one of these should claim whether they are or are not PGO/Vengeful.

If claiming positively, don't specify which one you are.

If no one claims PGO/Vengeful, then gobble is a SK pulling a vig gambit.

If someone does claim PGO/Vengeful, then
- that person and gobble are near conftown, as a 2-scum gambit is very highly unlikely
- scum don't know if the claimant is PGO or vengeful, so they don't know if the person is safe to kill - no harm done.

I am NOT PGO/Vengeful.

Everyone on the list should claim one way or the other, or explain why this plan does more harm than good.

Gamma Emerald
Skygazer
James Braffin
Sakura Hana
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

[James Brafin]

VOTE: james

can we do this

Sure, if you can provide a better reason than inactivity.

[gobbledygook]

Sky you should vote Persivul who is now clearly role fishing. Persivul who are your scum reads besides maybe me? I don’t even know at this point

[Persivul]

What's wrong with my analysis?

[gobbledygook]

You’re freaking out if I am SK or not which mafia are more concerned about than town

[gobbledygook]

Pretty sure you just don’t want to use your RB on me if you have to

[Persivul]

Thinking about it

I do feel strongly about mass claim but

towns are usually like lynch that with fire. I think that scum also would not have had enough time to crumb a specific role so I think we are more likely to catch them off guard

Pgo/vengeful + cop/tracker + Spangled + Chemist + me + Drew + Sakura leaves very little room for scum to fakeclaim or even maneuver. Although if Drew is scum this whole plan is shot to more risky, but I think he is more likely to be town

I take back the mass claim idea.

Persivul just claimed scum with that logic. I was worried he was a PR but he isn’t based off that reaction.

That moment when you realize you fucked up your fakeclaim.

[gobbledygook]

I took it back because I don’t want the cop or tracker to claim and claiming the vengeful or PGO narrows that pool down even more plus can actually freely allow mafia to RB hunt for it without the downside of the potential PGO

[Persivul]

You’re freaking out if I am SK or not which mafia are more concerned about than town

Again, what's wrong with my analysis?

If you're telling the truth, a PGO/Vengeful claim pretty much conftowns you. It doesn't do significant damage to the pgo/vengeful because: scum don't know which they are; and, with IC, doc, cop, and vig in play, pgo/vengeful is way down the list of scum's concerns.

If you were really vig, you'd welcome being confirmed by the claim.

On another note - why did you claim when I was actively defusing your wagon?

[gobbledygook]

I took back after I was done being in a white hot rage and i thought about the implications. I really don’t see how people see you as town or haven’t voted you. It is pretty amazing watching you openly claim scum

[gobbledygook]

It does significant damage to the cop and if we have a PGO entirely invalidates that role. So yes I would say significant damage

[gobbledygook]

I can be confirmed by my shot or by your red flip, but keep saying that

[gobbledygook]

And hell, if they don’t believe it down the road they can string me but not before you buddy boy

[Persivul]

I took it back because I don’t want the cop or tracker to claim

I agree there.

and claiming the vengeful or PGO narrows that pool down even more plus can actually freely allow mafia to RB hunt for it without the downside of the potential PGO

Two more conftowns narrows the scum pool down so much that, between lynches and your vig shots, it's probably auto win for town.

[gobbledygook]

What’s weird is you haven’t really denied being scum