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[Luca Blight]

@Luca
There was no need for you to mention it. However, you kinda strike me as a type of player who would try to get as much info out there as he can, and would therefore mention it in the passing? It's nothing major, but it's a thought I'd gotten.

I’m not really that kind of player; I often choose to hold back certain things for various reasons, but also sometimes try to mix it up a bit. It did cross my mind to mention that I had myself forgotten about the day chat, but what use would it have been? I doubt anyone would have just taken my word for it, so I left it out.

[Datisi]

@Luca
There was no need for you to mention it. However, you kinda strike me as a type of player who would try to get as much info out there as he can, and would therefore mention it in the passing? It's nothing major, but it's a thought I'd gotten.

I’m not really that kind of player; I often choose to hold back certain things for various reasons, but also sometimes try to mix it up a bit. It did cross my mind to mention that I had myself forgotten about the day chat, but what use would it have been?

I doubt anyone would have just taken my word for it

, so I left it out.

Why not? A couple of other people didn't know, and nobody accused them of anything for it.

[Luca Blight]

@Luca
There was no need for you to mention it. However, you kinda strike me as a type of player who would try to get as much info out there as he can, and would therefore mention it in the passing? It's nothing major, but it's a thought I'd gotten.

I’m not really that kind of player; I often choose to hold back certain things for various reasons, but also sometimes try to mix it up a bit. It did cross my mind to mention that I had myself forgotten about the day chat, but what use would it have been?

I doubt anyone would have just taken my word for it

, so I left it out.

Why not? A couple of other people didn't know, and nobody accused them of anything for it.

It’s not that I was worried about being accused, I just didn’t think it would be helpful - if I saw someone else claiming after the fact that they had also townslipped, would I have paid it any heed? Not really. And as I mentioned earlier, I’m not really a fan of such tests because it causes me to doubt myself, and it can play into the hands of clever, opportunistic scum. I vaguely recall a game where a scum member was given a town pass for something similar.

[Tchill13]

Tbf I'm probably grasping at straws a bit, I've drank a bit too much tonight lol. But this game is stalling and needs to go somewhere

That's the whole point tbh, RVS is pointless but it's used as a starting point to get into actual game talk. I try to do my best to find something, anything, to work with from RVS. Though talking about it in this meta way probably invalidates a fair bit of that.

Someone come chat with me, I'm town and I feel like I can make myself fairly obvious town in this state lmao

These posts scream town to me

How do they scream town? They're NAI and contain almost no good content.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: kop

can we pile up here please? 2 posts for the duration of this game isn't phenomenal, maybe we can squeeze his thoughts out of him

Man, that datisi push was so aggressive and violent... And short.

You do realize piling votes on players with no activity does absolutely nothing right?

Looks like a weak reason to hope off datisi real quick.

[Tchill13]

I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.

There are multiple instances (you even marked them red) where he says he is busy and his reads are a work in progress (which they should be?)
From this you make a story that says 'he's positioning himself as town leader' that doesn't make sense

You also said you think his posts are devoid of life, which is ok to say but I disagree. You change your story to 'his posting seems fake' which is not a lesser degree of 'devoid of life', but something else entirely. You kinda had to change, because you know you can't sell his posts as empty.

VOTE: Datisi

This is good to see.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: kop

What the hell icon... A little AtE and datisi is town again?

[Tchill13]

Oh my lord we actually had someone do a fake a hammer. My eyes rolled back so far in my head I can't read the rest of the thread...

Anyone voting kop is not accomplishing anything atm. If he's gonna be replaced he's gonna be replaced.

A kop vote looks like somebody that's wanting to stop momentum of what's going on atm.

We had a lot of pressure on datisi. Then 3 kop votes appeared. I disagree with that. We should go back to pressuring datisi.

[Tchill13]

Luca

A50
Billy
Flippynips
Klick
Icon
Datisi

[Luca Blight]

I realize that "devoid of life" was a wrong way to put it, and I apologize if I did come across as too harsh.

Spoiler: marked in red

I’m very busy this weekend but will try and catch-up every now and then.

Catching up presently.

Just reading up now...

As of the start of page 7, I'm feeling pretty good about Flippy, Klick and Billy. Iconeum seemed Townie based on his start,

but I may have to revisit that slot at some point

, Tchill's contribution at the end of page 6 seems decent.

Klick's 151 is either townie or confident scum work. I'm leaning towards the former atm.

Tchili mid page 8 is either showing genuine Townie emotion or is a skilled scum player - it reminds me of my own frustration in past games.

Just skimmed the last couple of pages - gonna get myself more comfortable for some deeper reading. Right now I'm not really scumreading any of the active players, which is pretty rare for me.

The only one that falls slightly below the null line is probably Datisi based on her content, or lack thereof. Hopefully we get some replacements in soon.

Gonna read back again now.

I also agree with the 'trying to look Town' bit regarding the topic of whether we should use the full day or cut it short.

Also, as a side point, I never understand why, as a Townie, you would tell scum what you're looking out for (in this case, specifically the interactions between possible scum partners). This isn't necessarily AI in of itself as I see this kind of thing all the time, but it's just something I feel is counter-productive.

Looking over Datisi's ISO - it's full of game theory chat and passive questioning - this is where my slightly below null read originates from. The only real point of interest is 99 - Would scum do such a 'test'? Looking back at it, it felt a bit unnecessary of Datisi because Billy's answer to Klick's original question already provided the 'townslip'. I think I'm leaning towards this being an act from scum who are at a loss of what to do, so choose to do something that appears to be useful Town work, with the additional benefit of getting a Townie onside (which, if this scenario is accurate, would have been successful given Pilgrims TR of Datisi).

This is still very much a work in progress,

but my reads are something like this at the moment:

Tchill
Klick
Pilgrim, Icon, Flippy,
Datisi

Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player

So far getting positive vibes from Icon, Klick and Pilgrim. Somewhat negative vibe from Datisi.

care to expand a little bit with specifics? Cuz I honestly had no vibes at all from any of the posts I read so far (posts before this one I'm quoting)

I expanded on the Pilgrim vibes in 57. I felt positively about Icon early on mainly due to the fact he seemed to be posting without thinking too much

(I’m aware some players can do this as scum, but it’s a half-decent starting point)

. The vibes about Klick were mainly due to the ‘drunken’ posting.

Again, this could be a clever scum move but I felt it was more likely to come from a Townie.

Looking after my kid at the moment so hard for me to fully check back,

but I think I’ve covered most of the above already. I had a very slight townread on you based on the opening. By the time I made my catch-up post you hadn’t posted for like three days, nor had your ‘serious’ work at that point done much to give me a read on you either way, so I had you as null. Recently I’ve agreed with your points of view on Nippy (or rather you agreed with mine) and on Klick, plus I’ve seen some positive game advancing work from you, so I have you as a town-lean. I haven’t Iso’d you yet but that’s where i currently stand. The rest of your questions I believe I’ve covered already if you look back.

I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.

pedit: as I said, I was willing to give him more time. I'm still not certain in this, but you've forced me to out my thoughts, so whatever.

pedit2: Billy and Emperor had single posts that pinged me more, and I was willing to jump on those to see what they mean. Luca has been slowly pinging me across the game.

It feels here like you’ve just zoomed in on the least important parts of my posts and disregarded all the necessary stuff. Do you have anything to say about the actual content of my work? The 224 and 325 examples are particularly laughable for how you ignore all the actual information and highlight the only part that fits your narrative.

[Tchill13]

If I'm assuming that datisi and iconeum are scum.

Then it's not a surprise to see a quick push on the inactive slot.

Some scum want to keep slots like that around for lylo.

Kop and icon seem like the type of scum that would just want a lynch to get by, without necessarily playing for the endgame.

[Tchill13]

@luca

Datisi and icon are both nitpicking rn and they both pushed the inactive slot. The least productive thing they could have done. When did they do this?

When datisi was being pressured more than she has been the entire game so far.

[Tchill13]

It'd be harder to get steam on Luca than kop atm.

Hence the shading while pushing kop.

[Datisi]

This is good to see.

Did you read my response to 366?

pedit @Luca: I don't have a problem with the content itself, as I said the tone/style is what threw me off.

pedit @Tchill:

If I'm assuming that

datisi and iconeum

are scum.

Kop and icon

seem like the type of scum that would just want a lynch to get by, without necessarily playing for the endgame.

?

[Tchill13]

Does 366 matter if he votes a guy that only made 2 posts the entire game 4 posts later? No.

366 does not matter because his immediate vote switch shows he's not serious about the vote. Actions speak louder than words.

[Tchill13]

Datisi and icon. My apologies.

[Luca Blight]

To be fair it was Icon who began pressuring Datisi. I’m not yet convinced by the Kop wagon, however; it feels like it could go either way. A quick glance at his meta show him being pretty inactive as both alignments.

[Luca Blight]

This is good to see.

Did you read my response to 366?

pedit @Luca: I don't have a problem with the content itself, as I said the tone/style is what threw me off.

pedit @Tchill:

If I'm assuming that

datisi and iconeum

are scum.

Kop and icon

seem like the type of scum that would just want a lynch to get by, without necessarily playing for the endgame.

?

Do you have any thoughts on anything relevant I’ve said all game?

[Datisi]

Does 366 matter if he votes a guy that only made 2 posts the entire game 4 posts later? No.

366 does not matter because his immediate vote switch shows he's not serious about the vote. Actions speak louder than words.

Thought it mattered since you commented it's "good to see".

Icon was the first person to call me out for lurking though? Why does he do that, then go straight back to town!Datisi after what you feel is a weak defense?

[Tchill13]

Pushing someone with no votes on them and pushing someone with 3 votes on them are 2 completely different things in terms of how dangerous those actions are.

One isn't dangerous at all and could be half hearted. The other could lead to a lynch.

[Datisi]

@Luca: I mostly agree with the basis of what you've been saying all game (except for your reads on me). But I still can't shake off the feeling that your posts are constructed like that.
@Tchill: Weren't you voting me at the time? I might be misremembering tho

[Tchill13]

Does 366 matter if he votes a guy that only made 2 posts the entire game 4 posts later? No.

366 does not matter because his immediate vote switch shows he's not serious about the vote. Actions speak louder than words.

Thought it mattered since you commented it's "good to see".

Icon was the first person to call me out for lurking though? Why does he do that, then go straight back to town!Datisi after what you feel is a weak defense?

It was good to see but the quick vote change I hadn't come upon yet immediately redacted the intention of 366 to begin with. I didn't know he was about to vote switch again immediately.

I think I had voted you, he was 2nd... Why does he call you out for lurking with obviously no real intent to build a push against you?

He immediately votes the inactive slot WITH the person he just called out.

Shows that his push wasn't too genuine imo.

[Tchill13]

I'd rather not get caught up in semantics so I'll say this.

Votes at the beginning of the wagon and votes in the middle of the wagon mean separate things in terms of the validity and danger o them imo. Because it's easy to vote someone early. A "put your money where your mouth is perspective" I guess.

[Datisi]

Alright, fair enough. Though you'll have to speak to Icon about what the point of the push was.

[Tchill13]

And the only thing I've seen you do worth noting is become active once pushed. Then push the inactive slot WITH the guy that called you a lurker. Very odd to me. Your reads don't have much depth to them.

I'm fine stating datisi and kop are definitely top priorities atm.