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[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think this game had a RVS-like state

Why?

Plenty of random, but not much voting. (yeah, some, but not much)
I see the character of the game start as being different from the average RVS in a subtle way. It generated more actual content faster.

Hm. Given that what do you think that content says rn?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

JJD have you purposely tried to ask me a question that would let me know you are town ?

Town? No.. my question to you was on a personal level, but it's neither a crumb nor is it AI. SORRY!

[Hopkirk]

Have you taken the obvious and immediate step that would quickly resolve your problem with Hectic? I feel like that'd be the town thing for you to do here.

What problem?

Meta. For example, in his first newbie he claims town roleblocker knowing there's only a scum roleblocker as an option in the game. He has a history of fakeclaims like that.

Did your read on Rick change or did you just miss it out from the list here?

She asked about "that pool".. that specific pool.. the one where I have a strong TRs in. Risk is a Town read, yes.. but not as strong. How stupid do you think I am to expect me to have a strong TR on FL 48 hours in??

So I mentioned a couple of times that I'm voting you for having such an early townread on people including FL like you said you did so...

[davesaz]

A50 knows if he is scum that comment is there to fuck with him. Hell, if he’s town he knows it’s there too. It forces A50 to think about how I’m thinking about him.

I'll make it an easy task for you: I

really

am not worried either way. I have a very specific task to achieve .. or die trying. (Yeag.. I'm a Lyncher and Elements is my Lynchee)

I fail to see how revealing this is a good thing.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Meta. For example, in his first newbie he claims town roleblocker knowing there's only a scum roleblocker as an option in the game. He has a history of fakeclaims like that.

So? I mean, I still don't see what problem I have with him that could have been solved by now.

[Hopkirk]

Why? I'll be honest: If I knew for a fact he was a Survivour I would be all for giving him a joint win with the town. My problem is I don't believe his claim, and I just can't tell if it's town or scum motivated. Right now I'm leaning town, but I guess I am not sold on it just yet.

Does him claiming non existent roles in previous games change your read of this?
He's said irl he intended to do that as either alignment in that game.

[davesaz]

I don't think this game had a RVS-like state

Why?

Plenty of random, but not much voting. (yeah, some, but not much)
I see the character of the game start as being different from the average RVS in a subtle way. It generated more actual content faster.

Hm. Given that what do you think that content says rn?

Have you noticed my comments about Hectic?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

So I mentioned a couple of times that I'm voting you for having such an early townread on people including FL like you said you did so...

Again, what did you expect me to say? "Oh, it's not as strong a TR if it leads you to vote me"?? I do have a bloody TR on Rick Dalton, but I also know he is a capable player and I can't be "dead certain" on him this early. Hell, if I was a Cop and I checked him myself and got na clear I would only be 99% sure he's town still, and 1% he knocked the mod out and sent me that result himself to fool me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I fail to see how revealing this is a good thing.

Because I do want to lynch my target and get it over with.

[davesaz]

including FL

I would prefer if people were referred to by their name in this game.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Why? I'll be honest: If I knew for a fact he was a Survivour I would be all for giving him a joint win with the town. My problem is I don't believe his claim, and I just can't tell if it's town or scum motivated. Right now I'm leaning town, but I guess I am not sold on it just yet.

Does him claiming non existent roles in previous games change your read of this?
He's said irl he intended to do that as either alignment in that game.

Change my read? Why? Why would me knowing he does one thing as either alignment make me not Town lean him on this one? Why would I see it as a scummy move if -as you say- he does it as either alignment, i.e. this specific move is NAI for him?

[davesaz]

I get the feeling it might be good to read up on what's currently Normal.

[YOUAREGREAT]

I think Carca saying that two players had green pms was a scum slip, and I think Hopkirk is either also slipping or just getting me to out this, so here's the sample pm from post 1.

Here is an example of a Vanilla Townie role PM:

Welcome, ____, to Large Normal 223. Your role is Vanilla Townie.

You have no special powers.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive. The game thread is HERE.

I don't know if that's gonna get the coding right, (I'm doing this from my phone) but the town pm was white. I know that it's normally green, so I think Carca slipped scum based on a guess from experience. I think YAG was confused by the green pm phrase because she's new and she didn't get a green pm this time around. Hop, why'd you ask how it was a slip?

VOTE: Carcalilly

this seems like a pretty big reach to me. i don't like that you're assuming the most uncharitable explanation for carca's actions while simultaneously giving the most charitable explanation for mine. especially since you implied you thought carcailly was town in #366.

it's good that you ended up unvoting, but this continues the familiar pattern of billy seeming to push on the easiest targets he can find

pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason

Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.

I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the game

i like this post because i was having similar feelings about JJD. i don't mind gimmicks, but it feels like he's going out of his way to avoid gamesolving. and his scum-list in #537 is just lazy. he implies that he has no reason to townread anybody in it, which would imply that

every other

player towntold.

People voting judge look like people that want to stay busy by voting an active player that's not been talked about as far as widely town read goes.

Why are ppl voting judge? I haven't seen anything from them scummy.

Do people really not think skellen or YOUAREGREAT are scummy?

why do you think skellen & i are scummy? skellen has posted

two things

. skellen's opening post pinged me too, but i would expect better of Tchill as town than to push on easy targets without clarification.

on top of that, tchill seems to scumread the fact that i had a gut-scumread on skellen's opening post. which is ..weird.

quite sad you are great never reacted to me.

i must have missed it.

People voting judge look like people that want to stay busy by voting an active player that's not been talked about as far as widely town read goes.

Why are ppl voting judge? I haven't seen anything from them scummy.

Do people really not think skellen or YOUAREGREAT are scummy?

I have some concerns with skellen but their lack of posing worries me.

how is YAG any bad?

Yag is a very naughty girl.

Surely not knowing what a green pm is would be a scumslip? I don't think it's either, but I don't get why it would be a townslip (please explain)?

If we are going to make a point about this then.... if anything.... Billy made a scum slip tbh

Where was my scumslip?

Will explain day 2

feels like a cop-out

pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason

Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.

I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the game

That's juicy enough to sheep
VOTE: Judge Joseph

I think JJD is town rn actually

why?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think this game had a RVS-like state

Why?

Plenty of random, but not much voting. (yeah, some, but not much)
I see the character of the game start as being different from the average RVS in a subtle way. It generated more actual content faster.

Hm. Given that what do you think that content says rn?

Have you noticed my comments about Hectic?

Maybe. Question for you, have you ever read the Normal rules in full?

[Hopkirk]

Why? I'll be honest: If I knew for a fact he was a Survivour I would be all for giving him a joint win with the town. My problem is I don't believe his claim, and I just can't tell if it's town or scum motivated. Right now I'm leaning town, but I guess I am not sold on it just yet.

Does him claiming non existent roles in previous games change your read of this?
He's said irl he intended to do that as either alignment in that game.

Change my read? Why? Why would me knowing he does one thing as either alignment make me not Town lean him on this one? Why would I see it as a scummy move if -as you say- he does it as either alignment, i.e. this specific move is NAI for him?

If he's got a history of doing it (as town) then it's unlikely he's doing it purely from scum motivation so should be at worst NAI rather than 'potentially scum motivated' as you were considering.

-Hop

[YOUAREGREAT]

Ok, reading 12 pages for a start is also something new I guess. Will just go on with what stuck to me.

Hectic is hard to read with this memeing behaviour, however I feel a townie mindset is recognizable between all this. I felt particularly in the beginning he tried to sort some players and his votes looked to me like they a had a constructive intention. I guess.

YAG is also giving me kind of positive vibes. More for the development of her thought process on Hectic after him trying to sneak into the town-bloc thing, I feel like scum wouldn't really bother to share this doubt.

Don't like Elements so far. He is one of the top posters here which makes him look quite active but most his posts feel hollow/don't contribute much at all. VOTE: Elements

i dont like this post but i'm not sure why

What's not to like?

Hectic memeing but gets a TR for "mindset" that is apparently discernable? I find that odd.

Looks like they're beginning to lean town on you. I'm sure you enjoy that though.

And elements is called out for hollow posting, which I would agree with more than I disagree with it, BUT I understand where elements is coming from regarding d1.

So is it a hectic tr you don't like? A TR of yourself you don't like? Or is it them correctly calling out elements hollow posting that you don't like?

it was one of those posts that pinged my gut as "scummy" but that i couldn't quite articulate with my thoughts. it felt like skellen expedited the process of getting reads and was just kind of throwing names at a wall. the reasoning for tr'ign hectic looks rushed, especially with the "i guess" at the end. and the immediate vote on elements for "not contributing much" is weak too.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I get the feeling it might be good to read up on what's currently Normal.

Hushshsh.. dave! If there's a Survivor then there sure is a Lyncher too. It's a "Large" Normal, so it's "out of the boundaries of Normal ". The same as "Super"natural means it's "out of the boundaries of Nature".

Besides, I really am not a Lyncher... the fact is I have a N0 guilty on him.

[Gamma Emerald]

pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason

Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.

I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the game

That's juicy enough to sheep
VOTE: Judge Joseph

I think JJD is town rn actually

why?

When he put me in his suspect pool and then quickly retracted that after seeing one of my posts it gave me the adsense his sorting is genuine.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

which would imply that every other player towntold.

Which is true

[YOUAREGREAT]

pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason

Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.

I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the game

That's juicy enough to sheep
VOTE: Judge Joseph

I think JJD is town rn actually

why?

When he put me in his suspect pool and then quickly retracted that after seeing one of my posts it gave me the adsense his sorting is genuine.

that's fair. my issue with his scumlist is that it has 13 players. not only do i think that 13 players in a scumlist is so useless that it barely counts as a scumlist, i don't buy that he had a townread on the other 8 players so early into the game.

[YOUAREGREAT]

which would imply that every other player towntold.

Which is true

wanna break some of those townreads down for me?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Why? I'll be honest: If I knew for a fact he was a Survivour I would be all for giving him a joint win with the town. My problem is I don't believe his claim, and

I just can't tell if it's town or scum motivated

.

Right now I'm leaning town

, but I guess I am not sold on it just yet.

Does him claiming non existent roles in previous games change your read of this?
He's said irl he intended to do that as either alignment in that game.

Change my read? Why? Why would me knowing he does one thing as either alignment make me not Town lean him on this one? Why would I see it as a scummy move if -as you say- he does it as either alignment, i.e. this specific move is NAI for him?

If he's got a history of doing it (as town) then it's unlikely he's doing it purely from scum motivation so should be at worst NAI rather than 'potentially scum motivated' as you were considering.

-Hop

Are you even reading what you're quoting? I have bolded the relevant part and coloured the even more relevant part.

Now tell me again, where do you get that I said or implied it's "potentially scum motivated"?? Does that "I dunno which" imply it?? Or does the "current Town lean" translate as "potentially scum motivated" in your head??

And I have given you PLENTY of time and opportunity to realize your mistake, but you keep on pushing it WHILE QUOTING WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID. I don't know if that's you sleep deprived or something, or you really thought you looked good pushing a false narrative while you quoted the accurate one!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

^That "irk" keeps growing!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

which would imply that every other player towntold.

Which is true

wanna break some of those townreads down for me?

I'm not a Cook, so I wouldn't want to break any eggs rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason

Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.

I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the game

That's juicy enough to sheep
VOTE: Judge Joseph

I think JJD is town rn actually

why?

When he put me in his suspect pool and then quickly retracted that after seeing one of my posts it gave me the adsense his sorting is genuine.

that's fair. my issue with his scumlist is that it has 13 players. not only do i think that 13 players in a scumlist is so useless that it barely counts as a scumlist, i don't buy that he had a townread on the other 8 players so early into the game.

I think your thinking is fair but it's not really a scummy thing. And I think it is totally reasonable to have 8 townreads at that point.