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Good stuff and insightful- ok let's do mechanics then
So based on what the wiki says we know that town has (scum PR points + 3) so whatever combination from the setup table that adds up to that,
I don't think this is the time to speculate about TPRs, but I think it's telling that nothing that messes with a cop or a strongman wasn't chosen
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I'm 2-3 as scum so I'm going to go with town because winning feels betterIn post 16, NaCl wrote:Hmm, do you prefer town or scum, Vorkuta?
But I have to say it depends on the team and players"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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My 2 cents
- Not picking a ghost/immortal = no priest
- Not picking bansher = no protective (healer/WH)
- Not picking avenger, and picking a zombie = no vig shot
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So 6 points = trickster, Angel, enchantress... huhhh and of course simple PoE doesn't work"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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In post 54, PenguinPower wrote:There is only one true PP...and it’s the one with the ban powers.
*ahem*In post 14, Vorkuta wrote:#biasedmodding incoming
First impressions
-I don't like how Norskee is using appeal to his newbiness. Not a fan. My very vast experience with this (hi penguin, please confirm) makes me want to say that this is scummy.
-Ben is a returning vet player and my gut says that he'd be more cautions as scum. Like I think he'd actually tread water carefully and keep his pulse on the game instead of ^, so he can have a town point or two.
-Penguin: town greeting, town reaction to self-vote (ok fine, NAI at worst, town at best)
-RCE: 0/10 would not greet again
-Hoptic:.... the head ^ sucks. Like what even is this preemtive, 'sorry I'm about to lose town-cred'
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Is it because of ultimate werewolf?In post 63, tris wrote:I don't like Vorkuta
I'm actually tempted to go through EVERY SINGLE COMBINATION (3-3, 3-2-1, 2-2-2, 2-2-1-1) to try and PoE this shit.In post 61, RCEnigma wrote:Problem is we could have 2-4 different roles and the only ones that can really narrow the setup down are non VT already.
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english is hardIn post 64, Vorkuta wrote:more cautions
Also before anyone asks, duplicate TownPRs are allowedVillage roles: {3} -> priest (3/8); {18} -> priest (6/8); {99} -> trickster (7/8); {68*} -> enchantress (8/8)
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I disagree. I have complete confidence in our PRs' ability to not out themselves.
HOWEVER, I want to know that if we get to the point when we have a play like "vig xxx or cop yyyy" we can actually pull it off.
Also the fact that a zombie is in play is a huge pain in the ass due to them needing to be lynched LAST."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Correction- also if lynched during LyLo/MyLoIn post 74, Vorkuta wrote:-Last undead to be lynched"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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*sighs*In post 75, RCEnigma wrote:What? Low probability =/= impossible
That many tricksters would warrant a banshee (banshee strongman > trickster invis)
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In post 77, tris wrote:What are you hoping to get out of the speculation?score free and low hanging town points
+In post 73, Vorkuta wrote:HOWEVER, I want to know that if we get to the point when we have a play like "vig xxx or cop yyyy" we can actually pull it off.
There's a zombie in play. We can't get rid of it by lynching it, and if we have absolutely no tools to get rid of them it would be optimal to enter LyLo ASAP"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Also an afterthought- I've played an open normal (two-fold C9++) where a quarter of the players were still fucking confused about the fact that it was a MULTIBALL game ~30 pages in.
I've also played one-night-ultimate-werewolf where players were just confused.
At the very least, this setup speculation will ""inspire"" several players, or inform them of what's possible and what's unlikely.
Also... you know... zombie in play"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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I mean come onIn post 83, tris wrote:I don't know what you mean here.
You've played in games where someone goes
"Invest on X, Vig Y, Protecc Z"
I still need to think more about this, but for starters it means I'm much more open to policy-ing lurkers out of principle in this gameIn post 83, tris wrote:What? Like purposely lynching town? Why would we do that?
Also probability-wise the top setups (with 6 points) are
Spoiler:
Huhhhhhhhh
The fact that they didn't pick a roleblocker is interesting"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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That's my issue, and I'm going to need town consensus/opinion/more experienced setup guys/In post 87, RCEnigma wrote:because it's safe yeah?the scum teamto comment on this.
ASSUMING this game had like 5 cops.
Would you pick ghosts/immortals to fuck with the cop results
Roleblockers/stoppers/wtvs to "no result" PM them
or a Zombie because "lol fuck you guys" AND "well if they know we're going to pick ghosts/immortals, there goes our element of surprise""Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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In post 89, PenguinPower wrote:17
I honestly would pick a vampire into 3 PRs- just via sheer force of RNG you have a chance of hitting something.
Shit that's a good pointIn post 93, RCEnigma wrote:Strongman says "hey you guys definitely have a healer".and why everyone needs to chip in their 2 cents
Ok, the ONLY 6 point 100% Zombie-safe setup
Priest & Healer & Trickster (or 2 priests, or 3 healers, or 4 tricksters and.... you get the idea)
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+Penguin: town for actually wanting to push the game. Reads just like in previous game with himIn post 64, Vorkuta wrote:First impressions
-I don't like how Norskee is using appeal to his newbiness. Not a fan. My very vast experience with this (hi penguin, please confirm) makes me want to say that this is scummy.
-Ben is a returning vet player and my gut says that he'd be more cautions as scum. Like I think he'd actually tread water carefully and keep his pulse on the game instead of ^, so he can have a town point or two.
-Penguin: town greeting, town reaction to self-vote (ok fine, NAI at worst, town at best)
-RCE: 0/10 would not greet again
-Hoptic:.... the head ^ sucks. Like what even is this preemtive, 'sorry I'm about to lose town-cred'
tris: acceptable townie level of skepticism/cynicism
RCE: setup spec'd with me. gets points
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idontunderstandthereference.jpgIn post 123, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I do NOT want to throw the vote to get into LyLo early. It's like throwing a tribal immunity challenge in Survivor, you're playing with fire.In post 80, Vorkuta wrote:if we have absolutely no tools to get rid of them it would be optimal to enter LyLo ASAP
Yeah no, that wasn't my brightest ideaI look at the players and.... scum is bound to have at least SOMEONE who's skilled with mechanics and all that
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But you get the 'reduction ad absurdum' point of my question?In post 128, Gamma Emerald wrote:Ghost/immortal. Roleblocker at that point can't keep up. Maybe zombie now that you put it on the table?
Hypothetical 2 priests
-Immortal is announced = town clears are unreliable, 2 Red,
-Ghost is announced = 10 Green, 3+ red fake guilties, and the WIFOM potential of "I WAS FRAMED"
-Zombie is announced = 10 Green, 3 Red but good luck trying to lynch a red flip
hmmmm... no.
Shit I keep thinking that unded/scum needs to have an answer for EVERY PR, but their solution to this could very well be "let's just ignore it lawl"In post 129, Unstuck in Time wrote:This is a 6 AP setup... I really think we have at least one trickster/non-consecutive commuter."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Ok slight seriousness
Good pointIn post 130, Beta Sapphire wrote:I feel like the concern about the speed of the wagon on vorkuta is fake considering it was just an rvs wagon. And I don’t like how you’re just shading an entire wagon without saying who you didn’t like on it.
@UiT- ok sure, its recently become quite trendy for the entire scum team to jump on a single person because "There's no way all scum members would do that!!11!!", but put in the legwork pleaseIn post 25, Baezu wrote:Vorkuta (5) L-2 ~ Vorkuta PenguinPower, NaCl, benhalkum, RCEnigma"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Yeah... if you think about it, this falls apart because unless there's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to kill a zombie, a D1 zombie lynch dies on N2. And an angel/vengeful trade for a zombieIn post 140, Unstuck in Time wrote:Considering a zombie/delayed lynchproof exists this might be feasibly interpreted as a scumclaim.is worth itearly on. Saying this to no one in particular at all
The D2 & D3 zombie lynches are the ones that make the role broken.
What's the difference between PP's RVS and RCE's RVS?In post 140, Unstuck in Time wrote:RCE's vote is L-2 but a basic RVS vote
Just log-on time?
Idk he shows awareness. Isn't this waffling typically a townie thing to do?In post 140, Unstuck in Time wrote:vote-waffling."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Oh shit, an angel venge shot is disloyal (in this game- no ghosts/framers & immortals/godfathers to care about)In post 142, Vorkuta wrote:And an angel/vengeful trade"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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page 7In post 114, Vorkuta wrote:The more pages ceejay misses without posting for the first time the townier he gets"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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In post 167, Hoptic wrote:Could someone explain to me what delayed lynchproof does exactly? They activate their lynchproof ability the night before they're lynchproof for the day? How many shots is this?
Nope- it's REACTIVEZombie
Reanimation (reactive): if lynched, the zombie will rise from the dead on the next dawn, but only if another undead exists
- will be slain for good if killed in any way other than lynching
- if dead and awaiting reanimation, the zombie cannot be put to rest by normal means
- will not reanimate if doing so will endgame the remaining players
Because I'm not seeing modifiers like "non-consecutive" or "X-shot", I'm assuming it's... permanent.
Which is why I went through the trouble of actually trying to figure out how to get rid of one, and whether we could do anything but pray during M/Lylo
Blow me- I've given my 2 cents on like everyone on the roster alreadyIn post 167, Hoptic wrote:*cough* Vortuka *sneeze*.We can keep working on that
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D1- Zombie LynchIn post 172, Hoptic wrote:What do you mean it's permanent? What does the delayed element mean, it doesn't work on the first day?
N1- Zombie laughs
D2- Zombie comes back
D2- Zombie Lynched AGAIN
N2- Zombie keeps on laughing
D3- Zombie comes back
D3- Because we don't learn, zombie gets lynched AGAIN
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Delayed meaning that he's "dead" at night time.
Which means (from what I understand) that if there are 2 scum by Day X, and the zombie gets lynched, a successful vig-shot on the Zombie's buddy would win the game.
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"hey lets stop setup speccing and focus on solving" -Hec
"hey how do zombies work again?" -also Hec
*ahem*
Gamma's rapport with me feels genuine and town-solvey, and not scum out for misleading/pocketing purposes.
I have nothing on PP (firebird), but the ben vote seems kind of random/naked/unlinked so idk what to think about that
PP (sushi chef) feels townie with hishow do I phrase this without getting bannedlack of solid content
UiT's rebuttal to orfhz.... worked?
I mean what else was he going to say, but I don't think "RVS WAGON SPEED IS TOO FAST" is a scum!point to make so UNVOTE: from there
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ISO the guy.In post 185, Hoptic wrote:what?
Until recently OG-PP has been semi-trolling and joke-posting which I think is a townie characteristic for him.
Now he's engaging in townie back and forth with you/us."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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-self awarenessIn post 193, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hmm it's a bit difficult to butt in with my reads
-OMGUSy shade given that I've accused him of overplaying his newbie card
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"Oh my god u suck"- it's "you hate me, so I hate you"In post 196, NorwegianboyEE wrote:OMGUS? What's that?
Basically I'm not satisfied with this response and I think you've been shading me ever since thenIn post 146, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I can see why you'd think that. I've accused other people of this off-site.
Hmm.. do I buy this... do I buy this...
*puts in back on the shelf*
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for a bit, but I don't like how you're using your newbie card all the time.
Like, in exactly the same way you (plural?) are accusing me of hiding behind setup spec (which is BS because I've mentioned every single player here), you're hiding behind "hey I'm new here". That's where my issue with you is."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Your spite MAYBE slightly motivated by my prior accusations against you as well.In post 197, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Because that's just plain wrongIn post 197, NorwegianboyEE wrote:seem like you are "fishing" for PR'sIn post 73, Vorkuta wrote:I disagree. I have complete confidence in our PRs' ability to not out themselves."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Good shit- it's what half the forum is doingIn post 199, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ok, i'll make sure to pretend i'm a mafia professional from now on."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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you're welcome, I've been chewing it down for youIn post 208, Platinum Phoenix wrote:i havent read the setup
Reading me based on TwoFoldC9++In post 210, Platinum Phoenix wrote: Don't read him town for the setup spec - he's done it as both alignments.
So how do we get rid of itIn post 211, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Zombie's not a great role for scum
I too, disagree with my ability to unvote off of my own wagon.In post 213, Platinum Phoenix wrote:I completely disagree
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Oh man I feel so popular with people fighting over my voteIn post 247, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wanna vote Hoptic with me?
That hydra has a really interesting dynamic with me hating everything Hec has to say and Hop being... much better, but I think we'll be able to read them better with time.
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TRISIn post 251, Vorkuta wrote:he Is
Also chemist's story about how I setup spec as scum comes from TFC9++ and I have to stare at him long and hard if he thinks that it's a strong example of how I play as scum"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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I have 5 scum games on site, and setup-spec'd only in 1 as scum, and those circumstances were completely different.In post 257, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don't think that's what he did at all.In post 224, Vorkuta wrote:Reading me based on TwoFoldC9++"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Cognitive dissonance.
Feels like he just wanted to use fancy terminology to score points as opposed to making a solid argument IMHO"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Solvey, active, pushing reads, developing reads, engaged in nuanced back-and-forth....In post 271, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Why"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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I allow it this timeIn post 275, NorwegianboyEE wrote:But what the actual **** am i reading? Lmao.
Hec's Gamma push makes me feel like I'm an idiot as wellor it's just plain manufacturedIn post 276, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Wasn't asking you"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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In post 422, Unstuck in Time wrote:I couldn't tell from the setup info,And this is 10:3
And of course, time for Round 2:
-"Guys, setup spec is a distraction" ~BP
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No this, is 10:3 and I apologize for the confusion
The ^ equivalent is "we know the scum!team????!?" by page 20In post 82, Vorkuta wrote:Also an afterthought- I've played an open normal (two-fold C9++) where a quarter of the players were still fucking confused about the fact that it was a MULTIBALL game ~30 pages in."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Your contribution is like 10 pages late but is welcomeIn post 437, Hoptic wrote:Probably means there's not JOAT or Priest then, since they don't have a framer/godfather,
Also a very rich 180 from "let's stop setup spec pls"
No it does not- only COPsIn post 437, Hoptic wrote:Does framer affect the JOAT's tracker ability?
(Obligatory- If a JOAT tracks a ghost using their frame ability, they WILL see that "ghost has targetted XXX")"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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In post 454, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Is there a way to get rid of the zombie outside of lynching it? Like any townie power roles?
Oh answered by TL already but meh- I claim dibsIn post 74, Vorkuta wrote:
That's.... not how RNG works....Trickster - 10% (91-100)
ANYWAY
Zombie:
-Last undead to be lynched
-Angel venge
-Enchant shield
-Sorc/WH shot
Am I missing another way to get rid of him?
Sorry, I'm going by my list of "Shit people pull on D1 that make me scum-read them without exceptions".In post 455, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't agree with where Hop or Asgard is (I'm calling Norwegian Asgard because it's easier and more fun)
They'll have time to redeem themselves mind you, and I'm more interested in the people in the "say stuff" tier."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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orfhz slot good, menalque slot really bad tone-wise and "shut up / stop posting / policy fake-PP" is horribleIn post 503, Hoptic wrote:Not a massive fan of Beta Saphire.
Kind of like your hydra dynamic tbh, except menalque is a much worse offender in that regard
In post 503, Hoptic wrote:Liking a lot of the active people.@mod༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIFF PRODS
okeeLast edited by Baezu on Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:35 pm, edited 1 time in total."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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*inhales*In post 505, Hoptic wrote:Woah which half of our hydra is the offender here.
The one that spends hours trying to come up with memes to post in here.
And then setup specs anyway.
Like this game is already unnecessarily more complicated than it needs to be without his trolling.
I love the guy, but wow sorting is going to be so painful.
Come to think of it that's 70% of why I put you on the bottom of mytierread list."Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish