Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

I REALLY like the avatar Maria had before she changed it
and I mean really liked it
It actually spoke to me and said
"Hi, I am MariaR. Look at me, I'm so happy weeeeeeeee :3"
it was great

[Alisae]

Also as of now I am starting my love letters for everyone!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Alisae]

Also I kind want to point this out
mastina seems very different and i don't think she should be written off just because she claimed vig
like, I don't know how behind mastina is, but the lack of post after post after post of mastina trying to catch up
kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda freakin me out

[Alisae]

I love that avi! I'm using it for a dif site but I t was so happy and outgoing that it made me want to do more playful posting when I don't want to do that right now.

OMG ITS SO GOOD

[Alisae]

I've only wrote like, 5, so far
but these things have brought me to tears
made me smile
brought me down memory lane to try and remember what I was like in 2017 and the experiences there, especially from when I started playing on site
so I put on one of my older avatars to try and remember those days where I wasn't toxic but a good innocent child, still in high school, and truly enjoying mafia like an innocent child (no pun intended) who didn't realize how shit this game could really be

[Alisae]

I also want to state that these messages won't really be about in game stuff and aren't reflective of my reads

[Alisae]

because ik someone is going to say "because of this message Ali TRs X" or "because of this message Ali SRs X" and like
thats not true
this is an invitational and a really special game to me and we should all be enjoying it (and also my lazy ass was too busy playing TTT instead of doing these before PMs were sent out)

A muffin once said that if you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong
we're all here to have fun and I've had nothing but fun!

[Alisae]

Also I kind want to point this out
mastina seems very different and i don't think she should be written off just because she claimed vig
like, I don't know how behind mastina is, but the lack of post after post after post of mastina trying to catch up
kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda freakin me out

When you described who qualifies to be on Pine's team, both mastina and PenguinPower stood up

Guess what, nobody's talking about them and town is fighting each other.

I'm not sure PP is up to the level to play scum to this level but PP is still draftable, yeah.
PP would be the Ari of the last game probably.

[Alisae]

They had a recent towngame together and they are so romantic about it

awwwwwwwwww

[Alisae]

11 done
a bunch more to go!

[Alisae]

How will you send us those sweet love letters, Ali? An arrow to the other knee?

oh I don't know, I'll have jingle arrange something special!

[Alisae]

how about an arrow to the heart
does that sound special?

[Alisae]

I bet you're just dieing to experience it

[Alisae]

I appreciate the appreciation page

[Alisae]

I decided to order food again
this time i got panda express
I got 2 fortune cookies
one of the states that an exciting new friendship will get you out of your rut.
the other one states that your smile brings happiness to others


which is what its supposed to do

[Alisae]

too bad the food so far has been DRENCHED with teriyaki sausce
I do NOT appreciate that Panda Express D;

[Alisae]

I liked the version of merchants daughter that had Dunnstral and that really cool alt
I wonder who that person was

[Alisae]

APPRECIATION PAGE BEGINS!!

I really want to thank Ari for being such a positive fella. I don't want to live in a world where being kind is a weakness, and I believe that's not possible if we are afraid of being stepped on by others. You're clearly a brave man for opening your arms to everyone who requires it.

Thanks, Ari!

this page makes me sick

GRANDPA

[Alisae]

NO APPRECIATION FOR SCUM

SCUM AREN'T HUMAN!
THEY ARE SCUM!

[Alisae]

I have 7 left and you will likely get them sometime tomorrow, I should be done with them tonight so if Jingle decides to send them out in the morning, it'll be the first thing you see when you open MS on the morning.

[Alisae]

probably has to do with the fact that he's asleep

[Alisae]

probably has to do with the fact that he's asleep

Not for the last 17 hours has he?

I mean
going by EU time
it checks out
I don't think his quietness has anything to do with it being alignment indicative
a lot of stuff happened today, so just wait for him to show up and comment on it.

[Alisae]

going by EU time
it checks out

I didnt realize he was across the pond as well. He'd be waking up sometime soon right? I can never remember time zones and who is how far ahead of whom except for us and the west coast.

I mean
Iconeum is posting
so give him a bit
he should be around soon

[Alisae]

Yeah, I went to see once upon a time in Hollywood with my dad last night and just woke up today.

I also went to see that movie with my dad and oh my god
it is so GARBAGE

[Alisae]

I HATE IT
how can anyone think that's GOOD

[Alisae]

I get the historical reference but still
as a movie its SUCKED

[Alisae]

these uh
last 2 letters are uh
a bit harder to write

[Alisae]

alright thats everyone

[Alisae]

that took about 5 hours of my time
I cried a lot
I hope these things move ywall just as much as they moved me.

[Alisae]

ALSO IF I AM BULLIED FOR MAKING SOME SORT OF TYPO

I AM SORRY
MY VISION IS GOING BAD I NEED GLASSES OKAY

[Alisae]

also for some of them I uh
kinda forgot to connect them to the game
woops

[Alisae]

thats ok tho because I hope I helped make everyone feel special in their own way :3

[Alisae]

Untrod Tripod has requested replacement.

God fucking dammit

[Alisae]

Untrod Tripod has requested replacement.

God fucking dammit

Yeah, right?

Maybe we can badger Reck to replace him.

you’re gonna try to get reck into replacing in a 60+ page game

Yeah good luck my dude

[Alisae]

YOU’RE DIEING
OH NO
CHICKADEE THATS NOT GOOD
Maybe lots and lots of KILLING PINE and FOREST FIRES will help you

[Alisae]

BUT THE TREES ALWAYS WIN

[Alisae]

THATS NO FUN FOR EVERYONE

[Alisae]

Skygazer has requested replacement. You guys are just determined to make me have to work today.

[Alisae]

<3 Ali

<3

I really miss JaeReed a lot

[Alisae]

Like
I really wish JaeReed was here playing this atm
They were gr-

OH MY GOD I’M CRYING AGAIN

[Alisae]

Okay I’m done fluffing, back to gameplay

I want people to lynch LLD please :3

[Alisae]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

[Alisae]

I think my vote applies more pressure here either way

VOTE: UT

most of UT's ISO is scumplaining for being unable to catch up, I would like some real content from the replacement

I was just kinda looking at off wagons and the smaller ones first to see which votes I could sway

Dude what the fuck are you doing?

[Alisae]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

You didn’t like her AtE right, it felt manipulative?

mhmm and like, some of the little things I pointed out in a post I saw

[Alisae]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

I've read every one of your posts I've come across, I just...they read town to me. The rage was legit, the push to figure xof out seemed legit. I like the jjh vote even if I skimmed that post from them tbh.

They just haven't struck me as scum.

I really don’t think any of that is outside of her scumrange dude

[Alisae]

Ali pls don't ignore my post
I liked what you sent me btw, that actually was very motivating

saw it
Trying to switch from ipad to computer
That is easier to respond to on a computer

[Alisae]

I think my vote applies more pressure here either way

VOTE: UT

most of UT's ISO is scumplaining for being unable to catch up, I would like some real content from the replacement

I was just kinda looking at off wagons and the smaller ones first to see which votes I could sway

Dude what the fuck are you doing?

I’m in the same boat as Ari, I’m just like not sold on LLD being scum?

why

[Alisae]

But can you outwit or outlast him?

he definitely outwits me
im that that smart
thats also not really a secret >_<

Is that AI for Fire, genuinely interested.

nah not rly

Hm. Me and pops I think our first game together was a Making Friends and Enemies, were you in that one? I vaguely recall you being in it. Maybe you were the mod idek.

I modded a making friends and enemies for my first game
neither of you were in that I think
I don't remember I really don't play in the open queue that much

Uhhh what's a humina again

well the half was the "nah" part
and that was in reference to me not really being interested in u as a wagon

[Alisae]

Because Dann’s her scumbuddy obv

Are we really not lynching Firebringer? I was so enthused for that

you can bus him later

[Alisae]

plus bussing him later gives you more cred when you need it my guy

[Alisae]

YOU CAN'T DO THIS BURDEN OF PROFICIENCY SHIT BUT NEVER EVEN HAND ME A CHANCE TO PROVE MY ALIGNMENT BY LYNCHING SCUM.

okay
lets lynch scum
who is it

[Alisae]

LLD you get drafted because if I don't have the masons to me sane and always thinking about the game, I would literally let you bully me into following you.
really wish you were my mason atm.

[Alisae]

and by bully I wouldn't mean just yell, with what I asked for in thread, I mean stuff like that, there's many different tactics you can try.
You are making it really hard to just not listen to you

[Alisae]

yeah LLD you're right
better to just wait tbh
VOTE: jjh

[Alisae]

HE'S NOT
BUT HE'S SCUMMY

[Alisae]

I do still feel like there might be some reason to not lynch LLD because of mechanics.
If commuter actually beats everything in the effing game like GreyICE alleges, then if LLD no-commutes tonight and maybe N2, mafia could be horrified into shooting her. If an investigative clears her shot, she can start commuting and become BP IC, which is very powerful, it creates a huge tilt on lategame EVs.

Wow you're starting to get the picture. Bulletproof town is very strong. Bulletproof scum is basically a goon with flavor
Unlimited commuter town can't even be strongmanned and is thus even stronger. Unlimited commuter scum is weaker than a godfather.

I too wish I lived in Christmastown, but it doesn't work like that.

wait
she's a commuter?

[Alisae]

a full commuter?
no restrictions?
she can just
commute
whenever she wants

[Alisae]

a full commuter?
no restrictions?
she can just
commute
whenever she wants

[Alisae]

dam
if Elli had an unlimited commuter Pine would have lost the first game.

[Alisae]

at this point
every time I've played with pops I've read her wrong so...

Hm. Me and pops I think our first game together was a Making Friends and Enemies, were you in that one? I vaguely recall you being in it. Maybe you were the mod idek.

I don't hardly remember it, but it looks like I was NKed N1 and Alisae replaced in on a later day.

o wait
I am starting to remember
was it that game I trolled alyssa in?

[Alisae]

and was hosted by that amazing mod who wrote pretty flavor that didn't show up again
I forget their name?
And their play actually wasn't bad from the games I read because animu avatar, kinda interested in seeing what my fellow weebs are doing. If I remembered who they were, I would have definitely invited him to this game.

[Alisae]

Oh fuck that game

We lost by missing a kill on a mason like n3

hahahaha it was lmao

[Alisae]

VOTE: LLD
a full commuter being claimed my LLD?
Yeah nah that can't be town

[Alisae]

HE'S NOT
BUT HE'S SCUMMY

I mean is he? What is he actually doing that is scummy? Shitposting? Okay, that's "NAI" as they say.

You know what? Lets just do the old CES tell. Lets see where the votes are:

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Firebringer

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Ari

VOTE: Xofelf

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

VOTE: Ari

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: Krazy

Check the post numbers: 8,37,83,144,283,357,668,845,1168,1278,1594. Look at what was happening around those. Don't even read his other posts, just follow the vote. Where's his head at, what is he doing?

nothing because town!jjh engages with the game and scum!jjh doesn't

[Alisae]

like I feel let down because I feel like town!jjh
just
does
more

[Alisae]

PYP6 IIRC was the game that taught me how good your scumgame is, LLD. I forget which game it was when I learned about your towngame but By lynching you. I still feel bad about that tbh, and I still feel bad that I lie, iirc again, Pieyan(? Piegyen? It's been a while) down in not lynching you in PYP after promising to. You are a goddambed genius and nothi g is outside your scumplay potential! But I still think this is townLLD.

And if I mislynched them here I'd have like 5 years more of regret added on to my already guilty conscience so I really think I'm not gonna vote there.

yeah thats what incoperating AtE into your play does dude.
Its a feedback loop

[Alisae]

LLD you get drafted because if I don't have the masons to me sane and always thinking about the game, I would literally let you bully me into following you.
really wish you were my mason atm.

don't say shit like this Ali, this is super dangerous. People can glean information from it...

Like seriously don't talk about the masons, protect them at all costs. Do you understand?

As for the point it stands to reason that you should be concerned about me. I encourage everyone to be concerned about me, and with my role don't let me live to lylo.

Scum will only benefit from the paranoia in the end.

But being concerned and paranoid and needing to lynch town because my husband has exactly zero trust in me (and often misreads me as a result. Famous quote from him is that if he just lynches me day 1 every game he never needs to worry about me. It's a fair concept, but I hate it so.)

So like, listen to your masons and judge the game accordingly, but let me show you I'm town. You have a lot of time and space to be able to remove me surgically later if you become worried about me taking over.

So for now, listen to what I've been saying about JJH.

I know what I said dw about me

[Alisae]

Ali, thank you for your message, it made me really smile. If you want to hit me up about the questions you asked later, I'm very down to tell you about Mish Mashland.

yaaaaaaaaaay the main issue is um
what is it

[Alisae]

like I feel let down because I feel like town!jjh
just
does
more

Okay Alisae, I hate meta as much as anybody, but I went looking for this paragon of scumhunters, JJH:
viewtopic.php?t=80094&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Can you please walk me through what I should be looking for? Because how he interacted with people is different, because the people are different. And certainly he did more as the game developed. But I'm not seeing the large differences.

I'm well known for putting little stock in meta, but I'd love it if one of you can tell me what these damn differences are? What should I be looking for? What am I missing? This game, is as of now, 4 days old. In the town game I lynched, everything before this post was the first four days: viewtopic.php?p=11083459#p11083459

What was the extra stuff he did in that game? I am happy to vote with confirmed town, all the time, as long as there's at least a glimmer that the wagon makes sense. But I need the wagon to make sense to me. JJH's votes speak to me on a primal level. You could practically chart the course of his game. He:

- RVS pokes around at some people
- Votes Xofelf because it's any case is a good case when the game is a day old, it moves the game forward
- Votes Krazy because Krazy is producing zero content and he notices that.
- Votes UT because see above
- Votes Ari because lets face it, Aristophanes cheeriness has been FAKE AS FUCK and I'm sure I'm not the only one getting a little jumpy at that slot. Especially since I looked up this previous game and it TURNS OUT ARI WON THE WHOLE THING FOR PINE SOLO and lets face it, drafting the guy who won him the whole thing solo again is both cheeky and smart, and Pine is cheeky and smart.
- Votes Krazy because lets see, did Krazy add any content or do anything?
- Votes Ari because see above
- Votes Krazy because see above
- Votes LLD because he's slightly sold on the case, and voting Krazy is not getting results
- Votes Krazy because he isn't sold on the LLD wagon and Krazy is still producing zero content and he's not going to let that slide

Christ it's like Dennis the Menace dotted line trails here. I see exactly what he's doing.

I wanted to double check what I had meta wise as well and his recent game
the UT vote specifically kind of came across as latching onto something that seemed easy to push and it kind of stuck with me. For awhile I kind of wanted to see how UT and jjh would interact and if that would turn into theater, because I kind of expect that to turn into theater if there was scum there.
But UT is gone now.

there are also like
other people not producing much
so why Krazy in particular?
Why jjh seems so interested in that slot just, doesn't really click in my head atm

[Alisae]

I am not scum and having to fight my husband about it is gonna make this game a nightmare so

Ali, JJH is not CES. He isnt GreyICE and he isnt me. He is JJH. Like... I dont go in for meta but if Keith is arguing about the CES tell lots of scummy people did that shit and do that shit.

It is about vote motivation

And he doesnt have it. He just doesn't.

this is something that just
kind of sticks out to me atm
I feel like his votes would have atleast some motivation to them

[Alisae]

Huh that's pretty much it

Maybe a bit overly specific in some cases, and the Ari justification is off because Ari just generally reads fake to me

And my most recent Krazy vote was because Dannflor voted there and it seemed like we might get a wagon there which would force Krazy to produce more content, plus since Dannflor is one of my main townreads it just worked

ok but
why Krazy
I never really got that.

[Alisae]

Spoiler: Pages 15 through 20

Also
think I'll go back to

VOTE: Krazy

I think I've seen you vote this multiple times. Why?
tbh I don't know how to read Krazy despite playing with him several times.

Chaos is a bad idea

Chaos is a ladder. Get it right.

Yes and that is why you have been giving us information to try to indicate that we can't leash this mechanic

Truth: this mechanic is designed to resist leashing

oh I’m sure I can outplay you

But can you outwit or outlast him?

Chaos Chaos! Embrace the chaos!

Is ThIs A dElTaRuNe ReFeReNcE?

VOTE: v/la til 14th
obviously still be around because I'm me
would appreciate a better pace than this

game isn't going that fast, and worst would only be complaining like this if he has difficulty keeping up from a scum mindset. Just from outside worst has no problem keeping up with heavily active games as town, even if he is busy, this game also isn't that busy which is hilarious that i am seeing people go "ohh god the speed of this game".

Bitch, you people don't know what a fast pace game. This is what 15 pages in nearly 2 days now? Ive seen games that had 96 pages in 24 fucking hours. Cry me a river.

Like Gamma and pops a tiny tiny bit. I actually like Ank a tiny bit too. Got a small warm fuzzy from Fireb's opening posts. Leaving on a ferry now gl remember to lynch Ari d1

Empty posting.

bargain: lemon

bargain: fruit

idk which one of these I'm meant to be posting

This seems out of character and weird to do from his mindset? Where did "lime" come from exactly? Almost seems like hidden info unless pine mentioned something about it and I am a derp. Unless worstie is in a trolly mood i don't think he risks the bargain this early with so little info, thats something i do, not him.

Like Gamma and pops a tiny tiny bit. I actually like Ank a tiny bit too. Got a small warm fuzzy from Fireb's opening posts. Leaving on a ferry now gl remember to lynch Ari d1

I don't really like pops all that much off p2ish (but I love her as a person <3) but Gamma is still town!Gamma. Ank is somewhere in null/nulltown.

Dude
Should I be worried of people jumping on firebringer?
I’m starting to get a bit worried

I don't feel all that worried about it. Don't overthink it too much.

more empty posting.


WORSTIE IS A GOOD WAGON

Disagreee. Honestly worstie reminds me of his play in The Thread TItle Sucked, so why do you think he's scum? Also he said lemon not lime?

Alisae

do you have a rough read for how much presence the scumteam has had so far?

I like this question

Firebringer is having the time of his life right now

Is that AI for Fire, genuinely interested.

And with that, it’s time for the first fruit to be offered!

The first available fruit will grant the consumer a 1-shot Neighborizer ability.

This shot must be used the night after it is received. It will open a PT between the user and a target of their choice, which will be active for the rest of the game.

This is the image associated with the fruit:

Can I neighborize Alisae or Pine?

You may bargain with me now. If I understand Jingle correctly, the syntax is

Bargain: Neighborizer

. I will then either grant you the fruit, require a service, or impose a condition. If the fruit is not immediately granted, you may choose to accept my bargain, make a counter-offer, or reject it entirely.

I will ALWAYS bargain in good faith.

Good to know.

Like Gamma and pops a tiny tiny bit. I actually like Ank a tiny bit too. Got a small warm fuzzy from Fireb's opening posts. Leaving on a ferry now gl remember to lynch Ari d1

holy shit this looks HORRIBLE on a second read through

Okay you were also in The Thread Title Sucked so what am I missing?

neighborize is such a shit power, what are you possibly worried about?

scum team will hear chickadee and whoever she neighborize talk at night about bone drawings?

Well yes but actually no. In theory neighborize doesn't do much but in practice the hood members genreally end up TRing each other, making an all town hood pro-town and a hood with at least one scum in it pro-scum. For an example see how my neighbors in the NR.-ey Mystery Hood in Pokémon Fusion UPick.

at this point
every time I've played with pops I've read her wrong so...

Hm. Me and pops I think our first game together was a Making Friends and Enemies, were you in that one? I vaguely recall you being in it. Maybe you were the mod idek.

Ali

Where are you on Gamma Emerald

Because I could vote there

Why?

Ali

Where are you on Gamma Emerald

thats halfa humina

Uhhh what's a humina again

(btw trying to find this image almost led to me losing my responses to the previous pages but using Chrome history helped me at least get the posts I wanted to respond to back.

part of me thinks i can be this genuine as scum tho miss chickadee...

Kinda wanna TR this.

---

Official song of this post.

Not really any reads but have some questions for Alisae, FB, Alyssa, jjh (who I want to start calling Splatlock rn), and Pine. Along with less serious questions to Alisae and Chickadee.

Sorry, It was not a delta rune reference. I had to look up what that was. I just like chaos.

don't mind Gamma Emerald
he's a gamer

[Alisae]

Hey GreyICE/Lexi
lets talk reads yo

How do ywall feel about Pink Ball?

[Alisae]

Huh that's pretty much it

Maybe a bit overly specific in some cases, and the Ari justification is off because Ari just generally reads fake to me

And my most recent Krazy vote was because Dannflor voted there and it seemed like we might get a wagon there which would force Krazy to produce more content, plus since Dannflor is one of my main townreads it just worked

ok but
why Krazy
I never really got that.

Okay, I have a few things to answer, but real quick and IMHO, it's because he RVSed Krazy. That's all. There's like ten people who aren't in the game right now. I didn't know penguin Power existed until Xofelf (who is scum) showed me. Did you know there was a skygazer in the game? Yeah, me either. She's a nonentity.

He kind of "owns" Krazy because he RVS voted Krazy, that's all. We all have one or two of the lurkers we'd love to kick in the balls (or ovaries) and get some damn content out of.

I am
starting to get it

okay sure, I'll play ball

[Alisae]

Huh that's pretty much it

Maybe a bit overly specific in some cases, and the Ari justification is off because Ari just generally reads fake to me

And my most recent Krazy vote was because Dannflor voted there and it seemed like we might get a wagon there which would force Krazy to produce more content, plus since Dannflor is one of my main townreads it just worked

ok but
why Krazy
I never really got that.

Because if I'm gonna guess someone who Pine has picked here to be scum, it's Krazy, and he's not done shit.

the only one who is allowed to say "pine probably drafts X" is me so come up with a different reason please :3

[Alisae]

Huh that's pretty much it

Maybe a bit overly specific in some cases, and the Ari justification is off because Ari just generally reads fake to me

And my most recent Krazy vote was because Dannflor voted there and it seemed like we might get a wagon there which would force Krazy to produce more content, plus since Dannflor is one of my main townreads it just worked

ok but
why Krazy
I never really got that.

Because if I'm gonna guess someone who Pine has picked here to be scum, it's Krazy, and he's not done shit.

the only one who is allowed to say "pine probably drafts X" is me so come up with a different reason please :3

Alisae.
While I don't share the position.
"Allowed to say" is a rude thing to say to someone else in the thread.
It elevates you above them and I don't think it's nice or kind.

"I believe my arguments are stronger than your arguments" is ok.
"You don't get to think, I get to think" is like the kind gameplay environments that are not fun to be in.

I know you have more information and that's a good reason you can say "My arguments are stronger/better/more informed".
Maybe you're just trying to be hyperbolic and Poe's law but it's a little triggering for me.

yeah ik its rude
I want to shut it down because
A. I want an actual reason.
B. I don't want to encourage that type of thinking.

[Alisae]

Eh Ali can be blunt with me if I seem to be forgetting I lack information comparatively

The main way I'm seeing this is that Ali can tell me I should be townreading someone but not that I should scumread someone

buddy
pink ball
opinion
now

[Alisae]

:/

sorry

[Alisae]

Okay look friends
I am going through this Pink Ball ISO
and I am not really seeing what there is to like
If anyone wants to show me something that there is to like there, go on ahead.

[Alisae]

VOTE: menalque, he's so fucking opportunistic

like I mean everything before this is garbage but this also kind of really sucks

chenn ignoring me has been noted

ankamius bullying me has been noted

wow, pine, u said id be more useful to scum as town than scum

rude

and these posts do not sound like chennisden

[Alisae]

I feel like your uncertainty and SR on me makes sense from your point of view. I hadn't fully explained myself and I can see how people could be confused about 1022. I think your behaviour indicates that you have a degree of uncertainty about your read which is normal from town D1 and your interactions with me seem to be from someone trying to get into my head and see where I'm coming from i.e. someone trying to actually sort me. You might end up wrong, but I still think the way you're going through the process is towny.

Ank, on the other hand, has just doubled down and isn't displaying any of the uncertainty I would expect from town, especially someone who apparently got to a SR on me based on my entire play of 3 posts at the time that happened. The degree of certainty from that point is strange to me. It's not necessarily scum, but given limited information at this point in the game it makes me happier with calling Ank scum for now because I don't think others are much scummier

also I actually forgot to do this VOTE: ank

still think chicka is bad but now I think ank's worse

dude
I think ur onto something

[Alisae]

:/

sorry

Also pops
a lot of my reads earlier in thread were based off of who pine drafts who he doesn't draft
I'm ALSO doing it incorrectly
I don't want discussion about it
its a distraction right now

[Alisae]

I received the message

YOU AREN'T TOWN DUDE

[Alisae]

there's NO WAY town!chennisden responds to that with that
NO WAY dude

[Alisae]

VOTE: LLD
a full commuter being claimed my LLD?
Yeah nah that can't be town

It is town, I wouldn't claim it if I wasn't town. There's no benefit, this reaction is gonna happen from everyone. I figured this gut reaction would be enough to SHOW PEOPLE I AM TOWN.

Trust in me. Give me a chance to show you I'm town. Stop knee jerk voting at me when something ticks wrong, because to you everything I do ticks you wrong somehow.

And yes this is manipulation. I need to convince you I'm town because well I'M TOWN.

So jsut... gahhh

why did you keep it to yourself for like, the first 48 hours of the day?

[Alisae]

the more I think about it
the more I start to think that town!ank shouldn't ever be fosing mena
it just doesn't make sense I feel like if she's town she identifies town!mena

[Alisae]

I received the message

I think Ank could be scum

I received the message

YOU AREN'T TOWN DUDE

This is concerning. Do you think Chen and Ann have S/S equity?

definitely

[Alisae]

also LLD
I'll put xof back on the table for you so if you wanna kill it

[Alisae]

Can you endorse multiple?

@Jingle

[Alisae]

my read on xof was that I really just didn't think Pine drafted her
coming out of retirement to play and out of touch with the meta?
REAAAAAAAALY didn't think Pine was going to draft that so I took my chances and hard softed her as my mason.

She's back on the table that lastest post was somethin else

[Alisae]

I even crumbed it to jjh
I wonder if he caught it.

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

I can see the crumb now but I missed it
I'm gonna read what it said now

we talked about it way earlier
I have trust in you to find it

[Alisae]

Yeah
I want to lynch LLD.
xof is back on the table but that doesn't change the fact that LLD is the lynch today.

I'm not letting a full commuter pass
sorry

[Alisae]

Fucking throwback that

it probably flew by your head because I tried to make it seem as natural as possible

[Alisae]

jjh why aren't you voting LLD?

[Alisae]

VOTE: LLD
a full commuter being claimed my LLD?
Yeah nah that can't be town

It is town, I wouldn't claim it if I wasn't town. There's no benefit, this reaction is gonna happen from everyone. I figured this gut reaction would be enough to SHOW PEOPLE I AM TOWN.

Trust in me. Give me a chance to show you I'm town. Stop knee jerk voting at me when something ticks wrong, because to you everything I do ticks you wrong somehow.

And yes this is manipulation. I need to convince you I'm town because well I'M TOWN.

So jsut... gahhh

why did you keep it to yourself for like, the first 48 hours of the day?

One cause my job is hellish and I wanted to rest? Therapy for autistic children is exhausting.

And two, because you asked me not to flood the thread so I figured taking time would help my erratic posting be limited.

I didn't catch this
you made a big deal about not taking pine's fruit but I feel like this is equally as big of a deal as that and you would let people know about it sooner.

[Alisae]

I mean
a full commuter is like basically the same thing as ascetic
wouldn't that get claimed immediately?

[Alisae]

I feel like someone like LLD would be capable of not giving the fuck about the IC as either alignment.

disagree only because its me and I'm fragile but she can win me over

[Alisae]

VOTE: DGB
VOTE: xofelf
VOTE: Pink Ball

[Alisae]

VOTE: Chickadee

[Alisae]

i told jingle i wasn't going to read

i see im replacing UT

that makes me sad

bye UT

Hi Reck!~

[Alisae]

Reck I can help you catch up
I want to get you up to speed
the main real thing that happened in this thread is LLD being pressured, thats the biggest, major event.
There was some people who were being pressured early, but the game exploded when LLD started to be pressured.
I quite frankly still think she's scum, and thats a good starting point

[Alisae]

boy howdy this is a fever dream

Reck
you're allowed to lean on me for a bit.
let me help you make this game seem not as fucking awful as it is to catch up

[Alisae]

my read on xof was that I really just didn't think Pine drafted her
coming out of retirement to play and out of touch with the meta?
REAAAAAAAALY didn't think Pine was going to draft that so I took my chances and hard softed her as my mason.

She's back on the table that lastest post was somethin else

This is interesting and kinda changes things wrt LLD. But apparently not according to a few posts later.

Ali, do you think LLDscum comes out like that in a bus on xofscum?

Yeah look at xof’s stance on LLD in thread.
That stance really sticks out like a sore thumb.

[Alisae]

I don't think that LLD is scum, I legitimately don't. Yes she is a force of goddamn nature who will do anything and everything to further her own win condition, but I think she's on our side. Her reactions to everything don't read to me like a caught scumLLD, but a genuinely frustrated and upset LLD who is feeling attacked and with only so much she can actually do to defend herself. I don't know anything about the role she's actually claimed, and it's possible that's a lie, but her behaviour just doesn't have the underlying feel to it when she's lying and manipulating to get one over on you.

like
this
really feels like scum defending scum

[Alisae]

I don't think that LLD is scum, I legitimately don't. Yes she is a force of goddamn nature who will do anything and everything to further her own win condition, but I think she's on our side. Her reactions to everything don't read to me like a caught scumLLD, but a genuinely frustrated and upset LLD who is feeling attacked and with only so much she can actually do to defend herself. I don't know anything about the role she's actually claimed, and it's possible that's a lie, but her behaviour just doesn't have the underlying feel to it when she's lying and manipulating to get one over on you.

like
this
really feels like scum defending scum

If you think this is xof defending lld then we should lynch xof first imo

no because that commuter claim isn't town
if you want to give town!LLD something with protection, you give her what mastina claimed, a BP vig.
full commuter isn't useful for town!LLD.

[Alisae]

Like Commuter just seems wrong
in the last game, I gave LLD the redirector and considered to give her the Arsonist role because she has the game sense to make really good use of those roles and town!LLD doesn't eat bullets because she's LLD
Giving Lexi a commuter just makes her look more bad so it really doesn't make sense to me

pedit:

I don't think that LLD is scum, I legitimately don't. Yes she is a force of goddamn nature who will do anything and everything to further her own win condition, but I think she's on our side. Her reactions to everything don't read to me like a caught scumLLD, but a genuinely frustrated and upset LLD who is feeling attacked and with only so much she can actually do to defend herself. I don't know anything about the role she's actually claimed, and it's possible that's a lie, but her behaviour just doesn't have the underlying feel to it when she's lying and manipulating to get one over on you.

like
this
really feels like scum defending scum

If you think this is xof defending lld then we should lynch xof first imo

no because that commuter claim isn't town
if you want to give town!LLD something with protection, you give her what mastina claimed, a BP vig.
full commuter isn't useful for town!LLD.

Yes it fucking is. Its literally kill immunity. What makes you think Jingle chooses what roles are given exactly? They choose the people but not what roles right?

Like ffs Ali the fact is I am town and my role is commuter. It is simple as that.

the game is confirmed to be nonrandom roles jingle said so

[Alisae]

This game features non random Role Distribution. I chose who would be town power roles (With the exception of the masonry), ostensibly to give town the best chance possible. (I was more concerned about fun. Deal with it.) Scum had their power roles assigned by Pine. The scum team was decided via a draft with Pine.

[Alisae]

Full Commuter sounds amazing for scum!Lexi tho

[Alisae]

No Lexi you're not a moron, I just wished you claimed your commuter earlier

@Chickadee xof is rational but I think her latest post is really telling.
"On our side"
"its a possible lie"
that stuff just feels off and the whole read just feels safe.
I really just, don't like it.

[Alisae]

Small confession: I've been skimming about 80% of the pages offline: I haven't read every page, there's many pages that I missed, and the pages that I did read I didn't really put more than the bare minimum into.

I haven't been commenting tho because I've wanted to read in detail all the pages and give commentary on key issues, but the thread creating new content faster than I could respond to it makes the task daunting, so the intimidation factor has kept me from weighing in.

There's only about half a dozen (maybe like eight total) posts which I want to respond to, but I can't remember where they are off the top of my head and would need to read to find them.

In the mean time, tho:
LLD, regardless of her alignment, is a distraction.
Town, scum, doesn't matter. Pine wants us to be focusing attention on her.
Personally: while I recognize that there are reasons for both LLD and GreyIce to be scum, I think that at most one of them would be, and that it's quite probable that both are town in spite of my reasons to find them suspect.

Ditto for LLD/xofelf. I recognize the validity of LLD's case, but while I see the logic, I'm not convinced that it's actually right.

I am quite dead serious about my jjh/Aristophanes scumreads; I am sure AT LEAST one of them is scum, quite possibly both.

There's other players who I should give feedback on, but I wanted to do so on a full readslist wallpost where I explain where I am coming from on all of them.

If she's a distraction help us lynch it so we won't be distracted anymore
its impossible to just "ignore" it and saving it for later down the line
you're asking for trouble

[Alisae]

mastina
I need you to shoot
can I give you a pool of people and you decide who to shoot in it

[Alisae]

No Lexi you're not a moron, I just wished you claimed your commuter earlier

@Chickadee xof is rational but I think her latest post is really telling.
"On our side"
"its a possible lie"
that stuff just feels off and the whole read just feels safe.
I really just, don't like it.

Why would I claim it when I can play aggro draw a kill and laugh?

Obviously now if I live I am never using it it is way better to be a vt open to cop checks and killable than not. If i become clear then sweet second inno child.

But my logic for not claiming is fine, and i dont know why you prefer otherwise

you're not drawing a kill Lexi this is Pine we're talking about. He'll take you to LyLo if he really wanted to.

[Alisae]

5. Alisae, this is specifically to you: I've literally never played with Menalque before. I don't know how he plays. He fits the specific type of player I've been trying to hunt for because the way I'm seeing the game, that specific type is the most likely to hold scum. His response to me was horrific. At best, he has a playstyle that will always result in false positives for me, but I don't actually understand what about him is townreadable unless he just has one of those weird playstyles I can't actually read.

okay but the timing of him asking for fruit is SUCH a towntell
its SO TOWN

[Alisae]

like ur gonna tell me u still read Mena as scum and not consider that?
You definitely catch that Ank if you're town.
I swear, its not about his playstyle or anything

its just the timing on it and him being late seems town
if he was scum, he probably just doesn't ask at all.

[Alisae]

@Mastina

Please shoot in the following
DGB
Chennisden
Pink Ball

please do it

[Alisae]

xof isn't in that pool because I want to lynch her after LLD and those 3 just seem like really good shots atm.

[Alisae]

Wait wait wait

Is Maria's name chelsea? I did not even know that 0.o

no its claire

[Alisae]

Oh by the way Gamma. I've ignored you because I don't care about your read on me. You're not gonna get me lynched and you're not someone people are gonna listen to who 'scumreads' me. So trying to debunk your scumread on me is a waste of time. Because I can really care less on what your read on me is.
Ali I agree with Ank here. I'm not seeing what you're seeing what Mena
pedit: I haven't put the time into reading you LLD. I respect you enough that I'm not gonna just 'lol' vote you because you're a good scum player. We've both been in that spot.
pedit2: My name is Claire. I go by Chelsea on another site

pop quiz
your game has non-random roles and LLD Is town in your game
what type of role do you want to give her?

[Alisae]

Oh by the way Gamma. I've ignored you because I don't care about your read on me. You're not gonna get me lynched and you're not someone people are gonna listen to who 'scumreads' me. So trying to debunk your scumread on me is a waste of time. Because I can really care less on what your read on me is.
Ali I agree with Ank here. I'm not seeing what you're seeing what Mena
pedit: I haven't put the time into reading you LLD. I respect you enough that I'm not gonna just 'lol' vote you because you're a good scum player. We've both been in that spot.
pedit2: My name is Claire. I go by Chelsea on another site

pop quiz
your game has non-random roles and LLD Is town in your game
what type of role do you want to give her?

You give LLD Vanilla town because you know for a fact people are gonna go 'oh my god oh fuck it's LLD!'
Oh, I suppose I see that's why the commuter claim is basically a scum claim.

want to put down a vote?

[Alisae]

Do you have a lot of games with Pine that I am unaware of? Otherwise if I'm keeping my hydras straight I think you'd be a lower priority pick for him.

@ank

ank is a high priority pick I feel because you don't want me to have town!ank

[Alisae]

@Mastina

Please shoot in the following
DGB
Chennisden
Pink Ball

please do it

but ye
vig shots
cop shots
whatever shots
these guys
right here

[Alisae]

Man in 20 days I'm about to have some shots of my own

[Alisae]

Do you have a lot of games with Pine that I am unaware of? Otherwise if I'm keeping my hydras straight I think you'd be a lower priority pick for him.

@ank

ank is a high priority pick I feel because you don't want me to have town!ank

You think Pine feels that way?

Krazy, go down the playerlist and tell me who you think Pine wants first

[Alisae]

The amount of notes I have. Trying to condense this is hard, but annoying none the less. Should I tryhard? Na, it's day 1 no one is gonna listen to my reads on day 1 of all things. Perhaps later.
For now given LLDs claim and checking her late game iso I see some posts that Scum LLd is more likely to make. Yes, scum LLD can make any post period however town LLD is more likely to come into the game with the same mindset as me given we have almost the same 'they're so good at scum kill them' meta. I'm not seeing that. Put that up with a bow and
VOTE: LLD

PUT THAT UP WITH A BOW
VOTE: LLD
WOOOOOOOOOOOT
LETS GO

[Alisae]

keep in mind Krazy
we're talking about the tree that decided first picking Ari in the first game was his best move
this guy is fucking crazy
but lets try this anyways because I'm interested in seeing who you think he picks first

[Alisae]

LLD if you did anything other than talk shit I would treat you differently, but you just scum or shitty pissed off town. No one can tell, and all you are doing is doubling and tripling down. Its exhausting reading your posts at this point because its just fake rage spewing like froth from your mouth.

Keep making ad hom attacks, thats classy and totally game relevant.

I'm going to ask you to stop now

[Alisae]

I'm waiting c:

[Alisae]

you seem okay so far tho
I'll give you that much

Can you go through Pink ball for me?

[Alisae]

LLD if you did anything other than talk shit I would treat you differently, but you just scum or shitty pissed off town. No one can tell, and all you are doing is doubling and tripling down. Its exhausting reading your posts at this point because its just fake rage spewing like froth from your mouth.

Keep making ad hom attacks, thats classy and totally game relevant.

I'm going to ask you to stop now

Are you asking us both, or just me?

Because i dont think i have said anything about LLD the person, while she is making personal attacks against me that is not game relevant at all.

the more you engage her the more you get personally attacked

[Alisae]

LLD if you did anything other than talk shit I would treat you differently, but you just scum or shitty pissed off town. No one can tell, and all you are doing is doubling and tripling down. Its exhausting reading your posts at this point because its just fake rage spewing like froth from your mouth.

Keep making ad hom attacks, thats classy and totally game relevant.

I'm going to ask you to stop now

Are you asking us both, or just me?

Because i dont think i have said anything about LLD the person, while she is making personal attacks against me that is not game relevant at all.

the more you engage her the more you get personally attacked

So trying to play the game in a controlled manner gets me personally attacked and thats my fault.

Ok.

you could be sorting other slots intead
like Pink Ball!
thats a slot

[Alisae]

Pinkball has 0 game content or anything of value in his Iso. What am I looking at here?

ikr
I looked at that iso and was like
wow
this guy has 0 game content or anything of value in his iso
we should probably do something about him soon

[Alisae]

Krazy, go down the playerlist and tell me who you think Pine wants first

Duck would be a likely first pick. Duck is a pretty reasonable pick for Jingle too though, but given Duck kicked butt in Vengeful Ghosts I could see Pine picking there to keep the juices flowing.

anyone else?

[Alisae]

my masons are powerful weapons of destruction
fear them you evil tree

[Alisae]

oh btw
I would like a lynch before page 100 please

Thank you :3

[Alisae]

actually before page 90 would be even better

[Alisae]

Fire wanna vote LLD?

[Alisae]

Fire wanna vote LLD?

not really, also ur all over the map grandson. smoke some weed and chill out

pop quiz
your game is non-random roles and LLD is town
what role do you give her?

[Alisae]

What could possibly be better than gazing at the sky? Arguing you to the moon and back. Everyone knows her, everyone loves her, Titus has joined the quest!

OMG ITS A TITUS!

[Alisae]

I LOVE TITUS!

[Alisae]

I have to send you and Reck lovely letters of love and motivation
Truely such letters will fill you 2 up with determination!

[Alisae]

Okay, I'm just going to go into this now because this shit is very relevant to my alignment.

1. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that Jingle almost always drafts me in his first set of picks; if not his first, always his second. He's seen enough of how I play

and I've literally HARD STOMPED HIS SCUMTEAM

before. He's either modded or played in a lot of my stronger games on my main account this year, and he was in my strongest scum game of this year. Because of this,

Pine has to draft me first if he wants me on his team

. He can't rely on being able to pick me for his team after the first draft, and that's even assuming that he is aware of Jingle and my history on the site.

2. The way I'm playing this game makes absolutely no sense for scum!me. I'm very well aware of my weaknesses as scum, most notably being that I am able to fake the majority of my towntells, but not at the same time. I can't hyperpost, make believable trajectories, AND be consistent tonally at the same time. In this game, I have been among the top posters for a lot of the game, outputted a lot of reads, and yet nobody has been able to pick up on any major tonal discrepancies up to this point. This is my scumgame of the century in the case that I'm actually scum this game.

3. I'm purposely holding myself back. I'm partially doing this because of the hyperposting thing and I don't want to create another Starry Night out of respect for those that don't want very fast games, but the more prevalent reason for why I'm holding myself back is because

it will not end well if I go hard and start going by my own rules and mindset towards how I play.

I work best when I have enough sway over the game to get the flips I need to narrow down the game to a winnable state, and I learned a harsh lesson from Anuket Topaz that when I try to go that route when there's enough leader/rebellious/etc. types in the game, I compromise my own ability to reach the flips I want and tilt out of the game, literally becoming useless to everybody. This playerlist is very very likely to resist me if I go this route and just cause a bunch of drama bullshit in the thread that it really doesn't need. It's better for me to hold back and do what I can from the background to keep the playerlist focused.

4. I'm pretty much always a nightkill by scum this game as town, most likely in midgame somewhere before I hit my stride and start hitting outright solves. I'd be surprised if scum didn't have at least one person that was aware of this, and Pine has seen a recent enough example to believe it.

5. Alisae, this is specifically to you: I've literally never played with Menalque before. I don't know how he plays. He fits the specific type of player I've been trying to hunt for because the way I'm seeing the game, that specific type is the most likely to hold scum. His response to me was horrific. At best, he has a playstyle that will always result in false positives for me, but I don't actually understand what about him is townreadable unless he just has one of those weird playstyles I can't actually read.

And.
What if I told you.
That in my planned readslist wallpost where I'd explain my read on you.
The entirety of what I was going to say was,
"There's only one world in which Ank is town, and that's if Jingle sniped her before Pine could pick her up"?

Doubt because Pine likely has first pick

--

Fire wanna vote LLD?

not really, also ur all over the map grandson. smoke some weed and chill out

pop quiz
your game is non-random roles and LLD is town
what role do you give her?

idk, probably not commuter, but who the fuck cares.
worrying about claims day one is pretty low level play.

okay but would you give scum!LLD a full commuter?

[Alisae]

"There's only one world in which Ank is town, and that's if Jingle sniped her before Pine could pick her up"?

yes because your such a master at figuring out what pine would do.

Kind of, yes. Last time that I was town, I caught 2/3 of his scum picks. Not immediately, but before the end of D1.
So, yes.

Statement stands. Ank would only be town if Jingle stole her from Pine. Admittedly that's fully possible; Pine might not first pick her whereas Jingle very well might. But I have very good reason to believe that Pine wanted Ank on his scumteam, and that Jingle wanted her to be town.

SHOOT HER

[Alisae]

SHOOT HER MASTINA
DO IT
U HAVE MY PERMISSION
GO AT IT MASTINA
YOU CAN DO IT!

[Alisae]

SHOOT HER

[Alisae]

WAIT NO DON'T LEAVE
I'M SORRY
IT WAS A JOKE

[Alisae]

ALYSSA PLEASE

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

im sorry i was laughing and enjoying myself and you weren't
it was a bad joke

[Alisae]

I appreciate alyssa because she's always spicy and she's the best

[Alisae]

im sorry i was laughing and enjoying myself and you weren't
it was a bad joke

For what it's worth, while I am a certifiable moron, you'd have to be a whole level of stupid far more than I could ever muster in even my derpiest of moments to Vig Ank N1. That's never the right power role to use on her N1.

so use it on chennisden
or dgb
or Pink Ball

[Alisae]

I would actually love a shot on DGB fwiw

[Alisae]

my read on xof was that I really just didn't think Pine drafted her
coming out of retirement to play and out of touch with the meta?
REAAAAAAAALY didn't think Pine was going to draft that so I took my chances and hard softed her as my mason.

She's back on the table that lastest post was somethin else

Well okay. Did you respond to my criticism of your logic at all?

where??????

[Alisae]

my read on xof was that I really just didn't think Pine drafted her
coming out of retirement to play and out of touch with the meta?
REAAAAAAAALY didn't think Pine was going to draft that so I took my chances and hard softed her as my mason.

She's back on the table that lastest post was somethin else

Well okay. Did you respond to my criticism of your logic at all?

where??????

In one of my walls
I tried to make sure everyone who I asked a question to was noted outside the spoiler so I'm mildly upset you missed it

ur gonna have to quote it
the closest thing I'm seeing is asking if there's logic behind xof!town

[Alisae]

OK this is deffo wine. first off why does the first point exist? Pine joined in 2011, and came back in like 2016/2017, and afaict hasn't been inactive since. So why does not having played in a long time matter? I also see Pine as someone who'd be willing to take aleap of faith on a newer player, so the other half of that makes no sense. Also why is personal experience relevant, I think Pine is more than capable of doing research, plus I feel like if there was no personal experience they wouldn't be here. Only sensible point is the last one. I wouldn't want to clash with someone I'm trying to work with, that sounds like an unenjoyable experience. I think I recall a team with RC and Mathblade blowing up because they couldn't handle each other.

Okay found it
It wasn't a question so I didn't think to tag it. I'm the one at fault here, oops.
Also I noticed I screwed up the spoiler tagging in my last wall, Jingle if you can fix that pls do, if you need more info on the fix I can give it

most of the things I said there are things pine said himself

[Alisae]

- If a player is old and came out of retirement to play, or is new and their play is still developing, they most likely were randed town
- If Pine doesn't have the meta knowledge or personal experience with a player, they are most likely town
- If Pine does not work well with them they are most likely town

From there, Pine has a smaller list of people that he can work with to try and assemble his dream team.

I think I'm the newest in this playerlist.
I think Pine has played with me once, and I was town and he was scum.
And we can't know for sure if we would work well because of my previous statement.

Like, at least pretend you're being consistent with the things you say, Ali.

I threw that outside of the window when xof started scumposting

[Alisae]

Ye fire can be town
Pink Ball vote LLD?

[Alisae]

Howdy, what's up?

LLD is scum D;

[Alisae]

Howdy, what's up?

LLD is scum D;

Please

For the love of Zor!

Fucking don't vote LLD!

Ari you mod dude
Non-random roles
LLD is town
What role do you give her

[Alisae]

Howdy, what's up?

LLD is scum D;

Usually LLD isn't caught that easily and OMG IT'S AN ALISAE!

OMG ITS A TITUS

I LOVE TITUS

[Alisae]

Howdy, what's up?

LLD is scum D;

Please

For the love of Zor!

Fucking don't vote LLD!

Ari you mod dude
Non-random roles
LLD is town
What role do you give her

A BP Vig.
BP goes away after Vig is used.
Maybe make it a dayvig because those are way more fun and she's prolly gonna shoot like a champ!

and what do you give her as scum

[Alisae]

Howdy, what's up?

LLD is scum D;

Please

For the love of Zor!

Fucking don't vote LLD!

Ari you mod dude
Non-random roles
LLD is town
What role do you give her

A BP Vig.
BP goes away after Vig is used.
Maybe make it a dayvig because those are way more fun and she's prolly gonna shoot like a champ!

I like this role tbh

thats a very fitting role for a town!LLD
Not a full unrestricted commuter tho

[Alisae]

Howdy, what's up?

LLD is scum D;

Please

For the love of Zor!

Fucking don't vote LLD!

Ari you mod dude
Non-random roles
LLD is town
What role do you give her

A BP Vig.
BP goes away after Vig is used.
Maybe make it a dayvig because those are way more fun and she's prolly gonna shoot like a champ!

and what do you give her as scum

I mean, that depends a lot on setup but something she can use to manipulate results to her liking. Probably something ascetic too tbh which I know plays into the commuter bag of horror BUT I BEG YOU NOT TO LYNCH HER TODAY!!!

Ari
Ari
Ari

AtE is a feedback loop
If you lynch someone who throws AtE around a lot and they flip town, all of the AtE they threw at you that game, will make you feel hesitant to lynch that person in the next game if they start to AtE again.
Thats the power of AtE.
Don’t feel bad for it
Ignore it
Because at the end of the day, its a game.

[Alisae]

Is there any relevant info in the past 80 pages?

the last 40 all have to do with LLD

[Alisae]

ari why do u care so much
ik thats a rude way of saying it but, its really weird to see you go out of your way to defend someone like this

[Alisae]

you probably said so but I'm mentally challenged and I need people to quote stuff for me or just say it again

[Alisae]

Ari
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[Alisae]

this line of play makes no sense if you're not
you cannot possibly have such a hard TR on LLD that you are willing to go out of your way to defend it

scum you I can see you making this play really easily

town you?
hard defending LLD?
one of the hardest players to read on site?

Yeah that sounds really out of character dude

[Alisae]

I just need you to trust me on this, Ali. Town LLD will win you this game!

like
dude
this rhetoric dude
this is just
isn't you

[Alisae]

I'm gonna try to get Aristophanes banned from the Speakeasy so he spends more time playing Mafia.

He's fun.

omg pops u are so evil

[Alisae]

Ari on 10/1
when I turn 21
lets hang out somehow and get drunk together
I don't know how we will do this
but details details

[Alisae]

not sure how thats gonna happen but I would if I could!

[Alisae]

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LLD first

[Alisae]

hyper beam can OHKO a pichu any time of the week
LLD needs to go tho

[Alisae]

I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

vote it

[Alisae]

hyper beam can OHKO a pichu any time of the week
LLD needs to go tho

Give me a good reason not to leash me for a lynch, if you actually respect me remotely.

Lexi, it breaks my heart to say this
but I'm not going to leash you
with how this D1 went, if you're around for longer, you're just going be a constat topic thats brought up over and over again
kinda just wanna get it out of the way now

also that gives you time to change other people's minds and make you a harder force.
I don't really feel like giving you that time.

[Alisae]

I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

vote it

But chennis is actually scum

so is LLD

[Alisae]

I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

vote it

You know, this game being an invitational and all, the fact you did what you did this game should weigh on you for a while I think.

Cause what you're doing now is like, peak levels of what you asked others not to do

and if this was done to you, you'd break down like you did in that other game.

So I dunno if I have any sympathy left for you, lol.

You have ARI hard defending you
I have never seen Ari hard defend someone so much
This doesn't even seem in character for town!Ari

that makes me VERY interested in seeing what you flip.

[Alisae]

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Dragonite buddy
Vote LLD with me

[Alisae]

But chennis is actually scum

Ive heard there might be upwards of 6 scumbags we can murder.

I've got 99 scumreads but this bitch ain't one

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Dragonite buddy
Vote LLD with me

Ali i love u and ur letter to me, but i'm here to stop you from making a mistake
I know how you can get when you have that kind of read, I think it's wrong

I'm not in this game to be puppeted by you, but I will protect you from Evil!

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Whats town about a full unrestricted commuter?
And why do you give it to a hot head, who isn’t always super obvtown, doesn’t have the best reads, but is strong when it comes to game sense?
Why do you give a super powerscum scum player a full commuter when they’re town? Especially since Jingle is townsiding here.

[Alisae]

Setup Specific Information

This game features non random Role Distribution. I chose who would be town power roles (With the exception of the masonry), ostensibly to give town the best chance possible.

(I was more concerned about fun. Deal with it.)

On role distro Jingle did not townside or scumside he funsided

giving LLD a full commuter isn’t funsiding

[Alisae]

- If a player is old and came out of retirement to play, or is new and their play is still developing, they most likely were randed town
- If Pine doesn't have the meta knowledge or personal experience with a player, they are most likely town
- If Pine does not work well with them they are most likely town

From there, Pine has a smaller list of people that he can work with to try and assemble his dream team.

I think I'm the newest in this playerlist.
I think Pine has played with me once, and I was town and he was scum.
And we can't know for sure if we would work well because of my previous statement.

Like, at least pretend you're being consistent with the things you say, Ali.

Did this post from PB not strike anyone else as glaringly gross - or are y'all content to fight over LLD for the rest of the day? I'd like to see more PB votes.

Seriously, the major case on LLD is garbage (commuter claim), and I know you guys are better players than this.

LLD should commute. To not commute is idiotic and to check her is a waste of resources.

A 1-shot neighborizer is not really a resource. It's like a penny

To be clear, I would not neighborize LLD. For reasons entirely my own.

PB is on my radar yeah

[Alisae]

The problem Keith is I am town and this fucking sucks.

I'd like to play the game.

We've been in the reverse of this situation before. I didn't listen to you then. You got pissy.

Will you listen to me now or am I just deaf ears etc etc

Cause next time I won't make the choice to follow my town read on you.

It's like, every game since you yelled at me for always lynching you as town when I'm town.

And I've started hard evaluating you and ignoring my paranoia.

You've just called me scum day 1 to fill the void.

So this is ultra annoying to me.

u know if Ice is actually town, begging for him to townread u isn't gonna get u a townread.

I mean come on LLD. Where is the cocky girl who shouted at me for being a shit player, u begging to get townread is just sad to see.

Fire
Can you turn your brain on for like 1min and try and think about what you’re saying and why you have to say what you’re saying

[Alisae]

FireCan you turn your brain on for like 1min and try and think about what you’re saying and why you have to say what you’re saying

my brain can only operate for 15 seconds, and only once during solstice

Fire
Why do you have to tell LLD to stop flailing in the first place?

[Alisae]

The problem Keith is I am town and this fucking sucks.

I'd like to play the game.

We've been in the reverse of this situation before. I didn't listen to you then. You got pissy.

Will you listen to me now or am I just deaf ears etc etc

Cause next time I won't make the choice to follow my town read on you.

It's like, every game since you yelled at me for always lynching you as town when I'm town.

And I've started hard evaluating you and ignoring my paranoia.

You've just called me scum day 1 to fill the void.

So this is ultra annoying to me.

u know if Ice is actually town, begging for him to townread u isn't gonna get u a townread.

I mean come on LLD. Where is the cocky girl who shouted at me for being a shit player, u begging to get townread is just sad to see.

Fire
Can you turn your brain on for like 1min and try and think about what you’re saying and why you have to say what you’re saying

yet again

super tired of being scumread because I'm not "angry hellcat LLD" everygame.

Or should I call you all wastes of oxygen who can't fucking rub your two gd braincells together long enough to fucking understand my alignemtn

does that make you happy? do you want me to pop off?

I'm fucking controlling myself MOSTLY FOR YOU you piece of shit.

lexi its a game

[Alisae]

I would REALLY like a lynch before page 100 please

[Alisae]

Ya know when someone said "hey Ali, telling us not to think for ourselves and assuming dominance is kinda shitty"? (Honestly forget who, feels like a lifetime ago.)

THAT LLD ARI

[Alisae]

@Mastina

Please shoot in the following
DGB
Chennisden
Pink Ball

please do it

I disagree about PB but I’ll get to why later

Broadly he seems entirely consistent with town him who I’ve had multiple games with recently

oh hi mena
I was going to sleep but I can stay up a bit if u need me

[Alisae]

Actually mena I can’t keep myself up for too long I just have to sleep

Icon I really hope you consider voting LLD

[Alisae]

I’ll help you out with Chennisden tomorrow
We need to get LLD today tho

[Alisae]

Apparently 6 hours of sleep is the new norm
Weeeee

[Alisae]

bargain: Watcher

Pine you should give it to me, Ali thinks I'm scum

wait what NO

[Alisae]

FUCK FUCK SHIT FUCK

[Alisae]

Apparently 6 hours of sleep is the new norm
Weeeee

I meam, 6 hours is a pretty decent norm tbh

FUCK FUCK SHIT FUCK

Yeah, prolly shoulda waited PB.


Also, sorry I was a dick yesterday. I didn't mean to go overboard, but I know I did by the end. So yeah, sorry guys. I'll try to post less too, Pine. It just got kinda heated.

And LLD Should Not Be Lynched

no dude he’s just scum

[Alisae]

- If a player is old and came out of retirement to play, or is new and their play is still developing, they most likely were randed town
- If Pine doesn't have the meta knowledge or personal experience with a player, they are most likely town
- If Pine does not work well with them they are most likely town

From there, Pine has a smaller list of people that he can work with to try and assemble his dream team.

I think I'm the newest in this playerlist.
I think Pine has played with me once, and I was town and he was scum.
And we can't know for sure if we would work well because of my previous statement.

Like, at least pretend you're being consistent with the things you say, Ali.

*waves*

PB, why did you have to go and ask for fruit

no dude he’s just scum

[Alisae]

That is not a way in hell that isn’t coordinated.

[Alisae]

Mena
I’ma about to say the T word

[Alisae]

I don’t want Lexi to be scum either
Shits tuff dude
Shit is TUFF

[Alisae]

Commuter claim + a lot of playing towards me as an audience
Maybe I’ll write something to explain it better but I’ma just leave it at that for now.

Like, did you see that bargaining she had to do?
Asking her to be leashed?
Thats like, so playing towards me
Many times during that I have just wanted to unvote and say “yes Lexi I will leash you”
That just can’t happen tho
This NEEDS to go D1, it might be far too late otherwise