Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Formerfish]

Hey pops

You want this fruit?

No charge if you say yes in your next post

I bargained for it, do you not feel like I was bargaining in good faith?

[Formerfish]

Bargain: Roleblocker

[Aristophanes]

You were asked to by Alisae. I thinknwhat Pineee is saying is that we need to actually want the fruit ourself because giving the fruit isn't about gaming the system but sacrificing something in

a deal with the devil

an agreement with the Tree Gods such that both parties benefit.

The whole point is that if we want the fruit'wls benefits we have to offer something Pine would likenor benefit from in return.

Why hammering LLD was one of these things is beyond me, but he must have found that beneficial in some way.

[Aristophanes]

Uggh sorry I typed that on a shaky bus.

I really hate that my posts are riddled withbmistakes but no matter how hard I try it happens haha

[Chickadee]

No I think Pine is saying we need to actually make offers with out bargains. I don't think he cares that Ali nominates.

[Chickadee]

No I think Pine is saying we need to actually make offers with our bargains. I don't think he cares that Ali nominates.

EBWOP should have been "our" not "out"

[Pine]

Real life snippets from the document:

"Aristophanes - Nah

Xofelf - Nobody would ever expect this! Muahahaha

LLD - Every team needs a strong player who is unlikely to endgame. Hellz yes!"

That’s not far off. Not enough detail though

[Pine]

No I think Pine is saying we need to actually make offers with out bargains. I don't think he cares that Ali nominates.

Ari’s got it pretty much exactly.

I’m not saying I won’t deal with Ali’s nominees, but I refuse to play ball with attempts to leash me.

[Aristophanes]

Who is in whose head now, Pine!

[Chickadee]

Well Pops I still think you should take it.

[MariaR]

Just letting pops take all the fruits could be fine. I still think we shouldn’t interact with it though.

[Pine]

Who is in whose head now, Pine!

Oh damn you’re...nope, never mind, still me.

Accurate interpretation of a statement I’m making hardly counts as getting in one’s head.

[Chickadee]

Just letting pops take all the fruits could be fine. I still think we shouldn’t interact with it though.

Pops shouldn't take ALL the fruit.

Pine has said he'd be offering 2 per day, and they can only be used the night phase following when they're granted, so it's powers that go to waste.

I have a theory that town might be low on PRs and the bargains with the devil tree are designed to help give town a fighting chance. It's just a matter of town actually getting the fruits.

My general philosophy is that if a game has mechanics, they were deigned to be used, not just for lols.

[Chickadee]

I don't particularly know who I'd use it on, but consider this intent to bargain if no one else wants it. I'll give pops first dibs before doing so.

[MariaR]

I think without knowing what benefits it gives scum (because it clearly does) it’s always a risk and right now I don’t see the need in taking these risks. The value in these fruit aren’t worth taking at the moment.
Pops watching me was interesting though

[popsofctown]

Bargain: Roleblocker

yes

[MariaR]

No one ever listens B(

[popsofctown]

I think without knowing what benefits it gives scum (because it clearly does) it’s always a risk and right now I don’t see the need in taking these risks. The value in these fruit aren’t worth taking at the moment.
Pops watching me was interesting though

Idk if I should actually use this fruit actually. Unlike watcher I can actually hurt town if my aim is shitty enough.

I'm not going to pass up cancelling the free-distribution trigger though.

[popsofctown]

If you take the fruit you don't have to use it.

Jingle's fruit presentation said "if you use this fruit".

I'm very sure, if there are secret negative mechanics/effects, they can be avoided by just not using

[MariaR]

I think without knowing what benefits it gives scum (because it clearly does) it’s always a risk and right now I don’t see the need in taking these risks. The value in these fruit aren’t worth taking at the moment.
Pops watching me was interesting though

Idk if I should actually use this fruit actually. Unlike watcher I can actually hurt town if my aim is shitty enough.

I'm not going to pass up cancelling the free-distribution trigger though.

THis is what I’ve been saying...

[popsofctown]

I'm not going to hard-commit to use/don't use fruit because scum would be more able to counterplay but I am going to seriously consider the reasons to strongly consider not using it MariaR

[popsofctown]

Wait can you even roleblock a roleblocker or is that like a Jedi trying to kill a Jedi or something

[Titus]

Wait can you even roleblock a roleblocker or is that like a Jedi trying to kill a Jedi or something

Natural Action Resolution. You can.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think one of the reasons why pine might have brought me in would be for me to try and hard pocket you

Where did you succeed in pocketing PB before?

in pfup I think we consistently TR each other from early D1 despite some late game paranoia in both directions

It's not quite pocketing if you're town
But I think you did pocket him in Ruby

[Gamma Emerald]

(2) I don’t think pine not being in that means he wouldn’t prepare for this game by reading recent games. I don’t think you need to be scum to pocket someone

Pine WAS in Ruby though