In post 455, Spangled wrote:@EP
What’s your take on LUV, post-NC 39’s observation about how consensus seems to be that LUV is scum?
NC raises an interesting point, but I'm not comfortable enough with it to put LUV in my coalition.
First, I want active people in my coalition so I have a better chance at correctly sorting them. Putting LUV in because of inactivity and everyone else's behaviour seems backwards.
Second, all of my previous thoughts on LUV still apply. If we consider LUV's universal scum read ("USR") as a town factor in reading him, I'm still left with:
four reasons:
1. The lurking
2. I didn't like his early posts
3. I don't like his recent posts
4. I don't like the OMGUS vote
To expand:
1. My experience thus far has scum lurks surprisingly often. I even advocate for lurker policy lynches in most of my games bcz of how often I've seen scum skate by under the radar by lurking.
2. He wasn't helpful early. Telling us to ignore the mechanics of the game was anti-town. His early RC tr looks like he was trying to avoid attention. Alchemist gave a meta reason for his read, but I recall LUV leaving the TR without any reasons.
3. I disagreed with most of his catch-up posts. I also think that anyone touting a 'low activity' meta for town is doing a disservice to everyone else playing.
4. He again provided no reasons for what he was doing. I'm not even sure if OMGUS is scum indicative, but it's not a good look either way.
Per my reasoning above, LUV is a good lynch if the coalition fails because:
1. He's within the coalition (see my earlier reasoning)
2. If he's town, I feel even better about town!NC
3. If he's scum, I feel very strongly about scum!NC (see reasoning above)
The NC connection wasn't my only reason at the time. Although I didn't cite it (and I kind of wish I did now), my scumread on LUV also informed my vote.
@Gg, Hectic? thoughts on this?
so Espresso here didn't want LUV in the coalition badly, but then used that same logic to say NC and LUV could be a thing because NC didn't want LUV in the coalition too?
is that what you're getting at?
Actually, I didn’t even think of that but on rereading this, I see your point. Why was he linking me and LUV, when he was doing the exact same thing?
He thinks if LUV is scum, I could be his buddy, because coalition. I still don’t get it, since it was very clearly Alchemist and Spangled I wanted. I only removed them because RC objected to either being in coalition.
true, would like to hear some expansion from Espresso on that association actually, seems kinda hypocritical and loosely based
i could see Gamma+Espresso
once again, i don't think the 1 in 1 out is that big of a think
gobbly, are you still basing you reads on that? why do you think it's so likely? isn't this exact approach most people are having this game makes the 1 in 1 out in some ways worse than 2 in?
because once we lynch 1 in the coalition, we're inclined to lynch out because of this meta, so 2 in can actually be not a bad thing at all, if not even an advantage
I am thinking that Hectic is town which is like further destroying me
If he is than that probably means two scum in coalition? So, LUV/Espresso wouldn’t be clear then in case of a Gamma scum flip.
Yeah, but 1 in, 1 out makes more sense I think. I'm stuck in a loop of constantly going back to square one with this game.
Pedit:
Yeah, you're right Hectic. It is dangerous thinking. I just think that getting 1 scum into the coalition is easier than getting both into the coalition. But I am bad at scum and so I tend to examine others' actions in a "I would do this as low effort scum move" lens.
My issue is that if there are 2 scum in I have no team in mind that accurately fits that.
Actually, RCMA wanted Gamma and Alchemist, so I feel like I have the appropriate level of absolution that I need in this wagon. I can rest now. :death:
In post 981, RC most awesomest wrote:I think that the odds of Gamma/Alch overwhelm the odds of any other scumteam.
I am willing to move onto Gamma to test this.
You're the other likely Alch partner though, so...
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~the worst
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Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl
~CheekyTeeky
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Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
I think we need a lynch here. Going to read the last few pages thoroughly but a mislynch is infinitely preferable to two no-lynches, or one no lynch and a lynch in MyLo (or whatever), because no lynches just let scum dictate who is going to MyLo - we need both the scummy and the hard-to-read people out of the way so that we have a LyLo that benefits us, not scum. Yes kill choice can be interesting, but there's all kinds of WIFOM scum can play with there, whereas a flip and wagon on town's terms can give all kinds of information - and hopefully scumflips too
So where I’m at is I read Gamma not voting as non-survivalistic but by not voting, even if you and me were to vote LUV, that would still lead to a no lynch, so do we wait for that or should I just hammer Gamma?
In post 1295, NC 39 wrote:So where I’m at is I read Gamma not voting as non-survivalistic but by not voting, even if you and me were to vote LUV, that would still lead to a no lynch, so do we wait for that or should I just hammer Gamma?
I'm cool with a Gamma lynch; their nonchalance and weird tone is ultimately NAI, and if those are gone my (much earlier) point about their sheepiness and weird changing of reads stands. I do want to know from everybody, though, especially Gamma and LUV - what scumteams do you think can there be, at this point, making no foolish assumptions about 1-in-1-out or not?
In post 1297, Spangled wrote:I'm cool with a Gamma lynch; their nonchalance and weird tone is ultimately NAI, and if those are gone my (much earlier) point about their sheepiness and weird changing of reads stands. I do want to know from everybody, though, especially Gamma and LUV - what scumteams do you think can there be, at this point, making no foolish assumptions about 1-in-1-out or not?
Well this is what is making this so hard. If LUV was hellbent on Espresso scum, why suddenly jump on Gamma once Gg started a wagon on him?
and him disappearing right after to not have to answer any questions is pretty scummy
if it's LUV+Gamma, it makes sense though, LUV could tell one of them was getting lynched so an early vote to start the wagon there would be useful for townie points
then again, his nonchalant vote on Gamma does fit the rest of his play this game
like careless posting without thinking, scum would give a little more thought/explanation there. probably
so i'm still leaning Gamma over him right now for the lynch
I don't think I've ever been referred as Gg. 
