Mini 2090 CYS: AtmosFEAR of Terrors

[hebichan]

VOTE: alisae

[hebichan]

can he repeat rhymes? Like if we developed a code for yes/no posts, do you think we could make his life easier?

[hebichan]

VOTE: Plum

I kinda really hate how Plum went from making a really good point on Notknown15 but then jumping onto pine when it got the slightest amount of traction with no real reasoning.

[hebichan]

Reading a bit more closely I can see that, bu other people cased him harder.

I'll consider it.

What do you think about katsuki announcing he needs a purple key?

[hebichan]

LOL LET THE CONFESSIONALS OF "HERE'S WHY I WOULD NEVER PICK SCUM IN THIS LINEUP" FLY

VOTE: PINE

IMP CAN ALSO DIE

GI'S RESTRICTION IS GOLDEN AND HOLY

I NEED A PURPLE KEY THANKS EVERYONE

right here.

[hebichan]

Katsuki, answer me this, why did you ask for the purple key so early on?

[hebichan]

Then what was the list of people if not a readlist, sounds like having your cake and eating it too.

[hebichan]

Merci, Madame!

Well now we can relive heroes wanted in memory

[hebichan]

Merci, Madame!

Well now we can relive heroes wanted in memory

I appreciate your thanks! It is good to know some people have the reverence for me that is required!

That said, only players announced by the event or targeted must Thank Me.

Yes, my gatekeeper.

[hebichan]

Pretty sure this isn't allowed.

[hebichan]

I'm a monster?

[hebichan]

So Pine wasn't lying about the black key.

????

[hebichan]

I want to know now.

[hebichan]

To avoid a townread of mine from getting hit, skygazer has the black key now, I am guessing?

[hebichan]

oh wait dammit I got it again.

[hebichan]

To elaborate a bit, I had the black key given to me at some point, I was keeping it on the downlow to keep scum from knowing the full infor on the key, I gave it to pine, pine kabitzed about it on thread like an idiot.

[hebichan]

Katsuki, answer me this, why did you ask for the purple key so early on?

Better now than magically later.

well it's not like we're all in the dark about people needing keys.

[hebichan]

I agree Katsuki.

[hebichan]

Katsuki, answer me this, why did you ask for the purple key so early on?

Better now than magically later.

well it's not like we're all in the dark about people needing keys.

WELL

LLD will hate me for this but if you want more, admittedly I hadn't read the ruleset until after making my first post so WHOOPS.

Oh that makes sense. Welll, I guess we know you need a purple key then.

[hebichan]

Also I need this double post sooo herwe we are

[hebichan]

Anyhow, pine screaming about the black key was one of the scummiest things I coulda gotten outta that.

So yeah, I got something out of it.

[hebichan]

yeah yeah, I put a lot of effort into getting rid of the black key, but its an anti-town mechanic.

I'm just wondering if pine's on hammer. One sec.

[hebichan]

I didn't. It took me a while to get there.

If Katsuki had been pursuing a couple of targets and not looking at possible Town or w/e, I'd say scum.

We're in a flagged-as-bastard game with acknowledged third party, and Katsuki HAS NOT posted ANYTHING except attacks on me and deflections about himself. Nothing. Not one single opinion about anyone or anything else. No setup spec, no scumhunting, no Townreading, not even any banter. Single-minded attacking of a single target, plus unprompted and repeated claiming of Lyncher.

Any other game or situation, I'd agree with you. In this game, Lyncher isn't only possible, but actually kind of likely.

VOTE: pine

That katsuki bit was just godawful, then "I have no scumreads except plum" after casing katsuki as third party.

[hebichan]

Katsuki,read the rules, if Pine died with the black key he could pass it to whoever he wanted.

[hebichan]

you need tto post directly before and directly after to pass it though, henfce me double posting earlier to avoid it.

[hebichan]

How does the plum post really make sense in scum PT?

she's saying that she feels bad for GI, and feels good because the creator of the game (also GI's wife) gets to watch him suffer through a terrible post restriction.

[hebichan]

How does the plum post really make sense in scum PT?

she's saying that she feels bad for GI, and feels good because the creator of the game (also GI's wife) gets to watch him suffer through a terrible post restriction.

I think you're missing the fact that NK15 isn't trying and is only pretending to know what's going on because they were prodded

I probably am, yeah. It's not really a long game to catch up on.

[hebichan]

I kinda need the green key for my ability but I'm a bit more concerned with it sticking on someone who has more town points than me.

VOTE: implosion

[hebichan]

I kinda need the green key for my ability but I'm a bit more concerned with it sticking on someone who has more town points than me.

VOTE: implosion

What makes you believe that implosion is town?

I get this is hard to understand since I'm not sure you've read the whole game, but I think his ISO is good.

[hebichan]

well yeah, need is relative, I'm assuming we're just claiming what key unlocks abilities.

For some set up spec, we know there are 6 colors, so there is at least some overlap in general. 13 people, so...that maths a bit weird since it would mean every key has 2 people who get powers from it except one with three?

[hebichan]

Probably one of the worst isos in the game, he has been terrible under pressure.

[hebichan]

I mean the wincon of the game doesn't really have much to do with killing.

[hebichan]

I would love some too, but on the topic of more relevant windows, is this the first key anyone has seen? If they are dripfeeding this slow and we need 6, this could be pretty grueling.

[hebichan]

So I looked at the rules a moment and did some math.


Are you sure we want to go full blood this game kat?

[hebichan]

That's my thought too, cause assuming there are 5 lunches/5nightkills it would leave only 3 people, and thus make town win impossible.

[hebichan]

Honestly I forgot she was here.

[hebichan]

Even that is a bit fishy given literally no one has shaded GE all game.

P-edit: if it only helps scum my advice is to keep it to yourself until it's relevant.

[hebichan]

While we are twiddling, how do you feel about skygazer Kat?

[hebichan]

I feel like townblocking is actually really powerful even if some member die this game, based on my own thoughts. I feel like I know a few people I would love to townblock with.

[hebichan]

If you think it's filler to discuss set up when lynching isn't even our wincon, why are you here?

P-edit: nk15 isn't a newbie, I have played lots with them.

[hebichan]

I suppose the best way to put it is I wished I picked scum because this set up is sadly a challenge in itself. I have nothing to really comment on. It's rather boring.

Someone with more knowledge of Maria can explain to me the meaning of making this post

It's filler defensive posturing. NAI on Maria in my experience.

[hebichan]

If you think it's filler to discuss set up when lynching isn't even our wincon, why are you here?

I'm not one who enjoys talk on mech. I like mechs itself but talking about it is pretty bland on my end. When I saw what the town wincon was I knew I'd have to change my style of play or I wouldn't get a key. So, I figured the best way to do that would be to lynch scumreads until I find enough town to hand the keys off too. I've been reading the whole thread but I have not much I want to say. If you have questions feel free to toss them my way.

Sure, where are your scumreads past pine?

[hebichan]

Why are you scumreading kuribo?

See interesting discourse already.

[hebichan]

I don't really think there's anything to gain by claiming this early, there isn't much pressure yet. Least for kuribo.

[hebichan]

Yeah, except in this case powerlynching under 6 people feels like it would trigger a mod event.

Not saying powerlynching katsuki isn't powerful cupcake, just we need to keep in mind bastard game with weird windows.

[hebichan]

you think something will stop us?


My math says if scum gets a kill every lynch if scums around, we have 3 safe lynches and the 4th brings us below the threshold, 5 bringing us to 3 people.

[hebichan]

What's even worse is that we need to give force the autoloss condition named Black Key onto a fellow townie.

Why are you assuming we can't force it onto scum?

I think he assumes if we lynch all the scum, a townie would inevitably get it.

[hebichan]

Yes, read the rules more carefully. In the well of fears phase key limits are removed, if any sum exist in the 6 players they get a kill, town can also vote to banish. In that case, any keys dropped are willed to players.

[hebichan]

Well not necessarily. I think if scum has their specific key, but also holds the black key, only the scum not in the well of fears wins, based on the pm I got when I held the black key, it sounds like your faction still wins.

[hebichan]

Or well, I guess the other scum members could be in the well of fears too, but you get my point. Only the 0erson holding it loses, townies still don't get their wincon.

[hebichan]

Actually, everyone who told us that a black key exists is a liar.
Because the rules say:

The Well of Fears is the endgame condition for the game. To enter the well of fears, all 6 keys must be held by 6 different individuals, and a majority (4) of those individual players must agree to progress to the Well of Fears.

There are 6 colours of key: GREEN BLUE PURPLE RED ORANGE YELLOW

Now, 6 colours wouldn't preclude that because Black is not a color. But it says "all 6 keys", which means that these 6 keys are "all keys" and as such a seventh key can't exist.

I can 100% assure you it exists

Ah so you did slip it to me.

[hebichan]

Either way, I don't have it currently, but the person who suggessted half the game is liars needs rope.

[hebichan]

Merci, Madame!

For safety.


Do we want to send townreads or scumreads or a mix into this?

[hebichan]

So, more I think about it, more I think sending in

Nk15, skygazer, temporallich, mariar

Best case scenario the loser gets banished, worst case is that one gains a key and then we just have to grill that player to figure out alignment and act accordingly.

I do not want to go I'm because with meta knowledge the game this is based on can have duels where losers give up their keys, and with 4 players that feels like too much to risk.

I guess the reward could also be reviving a player, which is another fallout if we send all our scumreads.

[hebichan]

I just want feedback on what side of risk/reward we want to be on before I vote.

[hebichan]

Katsuki needs to be put into the thunderdome

I read this the first time, you can vote if you feel so strongly. Hate this tone.

[hebichan]

Don't you need three other players to vote?

If you have reads other than katsuki that shouldn't be an issue.

[hebichan]

You don't see why accusing half the playerlist of lying about a mechanic but not actually scumreading any of them is scumsided as fuck?

Maria is admittedly less certain for me, she's on the *meh* end.

If we're going for better reads, but not to send I'm total flops, I would go TL, Kuribo, Maria, Alisae.

[hebichan]

You don't see why accusing half the playerlist of lying about a mechanic but not actually scumreading any of them is scumsided as fuck?

Well, yeah, that's why I didn't start pushing these people; when I researched it I found that the number of people involved were too big for them to be all scum(unless this setup is ridiciously scumsided). But that means that there is another explanation for that I didn't find yet.

Occams razor says mod had a slightly messy wording and you're creating content out of nothing.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Temporal Lich, Alisae, Implosion, Grey Ice

If this game takes place in a PT that's 3 townread and one scum lean, they should be able to grill the slot.

[hebichan]

Right that's what I thought at first, TL threw me off.



VOTE: GreyIce

Everyone knows who I want the other 3 to be though, so do with that info what you will.

[hebichan]

There doesn't seem to be a lot of reason for me to self vote so. *shrug*

[hebichan]

It's nice to just play with

[hebichan]

VOTE: alisae


Easy enough to move.

[hebichan]

unless a secret key was given out, I should be the only one with a positive key, black key non-wishstanding.

[hebichan]

I think you're wasting a lot of effort on an extremely scummy spot here GI.

[hebichan]

I will be honest, this game hasn't inspired me since the key vote besides maybe townreading Maria more and wondering if kuribo is third party.

[hebichan]

Pretty sure implosion townreads TL so you might habe a hard time time with your plan Alisae.

[hebichan]

Pretty sure implosion townreads TL so you might habe a hard time time with your plan Alisae.

I didn't come up with this plan because I SR TL but rather he's the person I would banish out of us 4 and I don't really care about who gets the key as long as TL doesn't get it. Because one of us has to get banished and its a matter of deciding who gets banished

So why did you default to TL if you didn't scumread him? I agree with the logic of course, just is your read on Implosion and GI that strong?

[hebichan]

I will be honest, this game hasn't inspired me since the key vote besides maybe townreading Maria more and wondering if kuribo is third party.

What gives you that idea

You keep talking about wanting to be banished. Townies wanting to die in this set up is just...bad

[hebichan]

Then lynch me


It actually increases my odds of winning

Sounds like wanting to be banished.

[hebichan]

we should probably figure out if implosion or GI need this key color. More Townies having roles unlocked is good.

[hebichan]

What did you do Alisae?

[hebichan]

I was worried there for a moment that it was going to split half and half.

[hebichan]

Yeah that would be bad...and a much harder choice.

[hebichan]

Tbh I don't think we need to worry too much? GI described his key ability as "silly" and didn't seem to agressive about getting it.

[hebichan]

The decision would not be hard for that situation - Banish GreyICE.
Their death would remove two non-town people from the game because they could no longer win.

Errrr what?

Did I miss GI claimimg scum?

[hebichan]

So are you scumreading then or somehow saying in a q3 player game we have 3 third parties with scum?

[hebichan]

Pretty sure we get rid of TL and move on from there. The people who have the keys seem...mostly fine to me. I can't say it'd be my first choice, but no strong objections

There are 6 keys needed, so we can probably get one to anyone on your first choice.

The key Cop seems incredibly scum, does town even care about the real or fake nonsense?

And I could care less about kuribo, we just never give him a key and we should be fine, based on the first post I see no reason why we can't win with him either.

[hebichan]

Mmm just read Greyice has a key Cop as well....that changes the algebra a bit.

[hebichan]

Sorry, I napped a lot of the day, hadn't read that yet when I did my catchup post.

Considering how this game worked out I think we sent in the right people. I trust Imp/GI/Alisae a lot more now.

[hebichan]

And I could care less about kuribo, we just never give him a key and we should be fine, based on the first post I see no reason why we can't win with him either.

The only key that does anything for me is the red key. Wooooo create a neighborhood, doesn't help me a bit.

Well the black key but I expect to be dead before that point.

I can't joint with any other team so you might wanna suss that out now.

Are you sure, your wincon is exclusive?

[hebichan]

All of a sudden my goodwill for you has dwindled.

Not sure lynching you would accomplish much from what you've said so far.

Going to guess you need most or all of your hoursemen to make it to the well of fears with a key.

Which will signal the apocalypse or something and thus we all lose.

[hebichan]

Going to guess you need most or all of your hoursemen to make it to the well of fears with a key.

Nothing that exotic.


Lemme ask you this.


Who do you think gave Pine the Black Key when it first appeared? He already told you all the mechanics, and he couldn't wait to get rid of it.

I entrapped his posts, I willed it into the game, and I unleashed it on the first person I had opportunity to stick with it.

Even now, my key spreads, in fact I don't even know where it rests, I can only hope it finds its way to one of the Four who must make that sacrifice for me.

You didn't give it to pine. You gave it to me. I gave it to pine.

[hebichan]

You don't happen to know who has it now do you

Pine gave it to skygazer who gave it to katsuki, no idea past that.

[hebichan]

Among our third parties, kuribo seems like his nonsense works alive or dead. Skygazer is a non element and actively wants to die and I have no idea what's up with katsuki.

None of them seem especially good targets.

Among other people (GreyIce, Implosion) are my never lynch group.

Plum and Maria would probably be on my shortlist, though I have reasons that I'm slightly less interested in Plum for a lynch.

NK15 really really hurts me, especially his constant pushing of supposed third parties in a game like this.

[hebichan]

I mean, you can call my posts "non-impactful" all you want but I set up a team for the key game and it worked out well, getting a second key on a a townread of mine and banishing someone the town thought was off.

I'm not focusing on the lynch too hard because I know it's barely related to our win condition.

[hebichan]

VOTE: katsuki

I'm tending to believe katsuki 3p claim but there's a decent chance one of the 3p claims is fake, and getting rid of nontown makes it less likely town gets screwed over in the endgame by having keys on Motown, as the town wincon says all 6 need to be on townies.

[hebichan]

VOTE: skygazer

Moving dowb the list.

[hebichan]

Plum questioned why I liked implosion as town. The reasons are private but she should know why.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Kuribo

I kinda just want to prove Alisae right here.

[hebichan]

No. I will not lynch implosion here.

I neighborized implosion, he neighborize plum.

Pick someone else.

[hebichan]

1-shot neighborizer that can steal a key from the person in the neighborhood, used on plum.

a 1-shot I
Key cop that tells you if the key is "the real color"?

He can avoid an event with his orange key ability

[hebichan]

Honestly, he's been sharing most everything he does in there, he's trying to shade GI though.

[hebichan]

Errr looking through the PT, it might just be sunk cost fallacy playing a bit, since losing my neighborhood would be sad and he helped me get my key and vice versa...plus I fullclaimed to him and haven't died.

[hebichan]

Right after the first key went out. No one's even shaded me since though.

[hebichan]

I'm fine with leashing skygazer, I just don't see why we should want you alive kuribo. This isn't a kill based game, the game ends in a town win when town holds the 6 non sucky keys.

Your wincon needs us to lose and also not lynch people who might be scum. Your role isn't leashable.

[hebichan]

Hebi, what prompted Implo to claim to you, or you to him?

I told him I would claim if he claimed.

[hebichan]

maria's cys picks aren't exactly clearing but the way she picked up on what i said and TR'd me despite my 3rd party claim feels like it's def coming from town because scum would probably be too hyper-aware of their read trajections to openly TR a claimed third party

Oh he claimed pazuzu from futurama if that helps.

[hebichan]

those abilities are super scummy lmfao so him full claiming is probs town indicative

He got Neighborized by Hebi-chan, who was the one who offered claim for claim. Rolecops and the like can exist (!), and I'm sure Implo knows it. The fact that he happened to be able to Neighborize-plus-it-can-Keysteal me when I was immune to actions is still a real, true, factual obstacle I can't account for and that no one has claimed responsibility for. If anyone would like to, well, please do. Sure, maybe by coincidence some scum disabled my immunity

and

Implo innocently Neighborized me while my action-immunity was conveniently disabled? And yeah, it's so nice and sweet that he consulted with consensus Townread Hebi-chan privately about who to target with "Neighborize but if you ever get a Key I take it" and chose me ... and then suggested in the thread that if GreyICE got the Yellow Key during the four-player game that he should transfer it to me. At the time I had

no idea

about the KEY STEALING CLOSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GO HOME aspect of the Neighborhood, which he had not yet claimed to me. Sure feels nice when someone Townreads you enough to want to put a Key in your hands, right? And even if I was hard Townreading GreyICE (was; still am), why would I object to the Key being in my hands instead of GreyICE's if Implo doesn't have as strong a Townread on him, seems legit, right?

Skygazer, you decided to sit out playing the game for... honestly, most of it. In order to do nothing. By the time you claimed 3rd Party, Gamma Emerald had already been shot, you unclaimed before scum got another shot. So your idea that you were "dodging a kill" is literally nonsensical, since at no point during the time you were claiming third party did scum have a kill available.

You then brought back your investigative result which was "Implosion's role looks really scummy. That means he's probably town!" You are now offended we are not listening to you, not paying attention to you, and do not give two fucks about your stupid shenanigans. What we can say is that

at best

you have poor judgment, at worst you're actively trying to deceive us. Neither is a strong incentive to give a fuck. That's what happens when instead of playing the game, you dropped a drama bomb. Town, scum, third party, whatever, you done fucked up. I don't know if this is a scum gambit, derptown, some third party nonsense shenanigans, and frankly I don't care. None of this is fucking useful

You lynch all liars, because there's one faction that's thinking "what lies will get me best through this game". They select lies that they think will give them the highest odds of survival and the highest odds of winning. You claimed third party when there was significant pressure on you to do something. Now you've unclaimed it, begged for a key, and presented us with this useless pile of WIFOM.

You're not getting a key. You are dying. If you really are town, you can go make yourself useful before you die. If you're scum, you can keep whining about it. Neither will do shit to change the outcome that you yourself have set in stone.

Yeah, he said it all, I don't have anything I need to add here.

Ali, I feel similarly to GreyICE re: Katsuki being prob-Town.

To clarify he didn't consult me on what his neighborhood shot did till after. I was posting suggestions on who to target because he just told me "it would be better to use on someone I have a slight scum read on." I assumed it copped the person he targetted at the time.I suggested nk15 and temporallich but he ended up shooting you.

[hebichan]

Wait plum willed her key im so confused

[hebichan]

Oh wait....ohhhhh....also I feel like I was skipped for an event for some reason.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Alisae

Not feeling like giving up the green key quite yet.

[hebichan]

Isn't the more important question why plum has a key still?

[hebichan]

VOTE: skygazer

Tbh I have gotten pretty lost the past few days,

We need a key list, a key key if you will.

Hebi: green
Maria: ?
Gi: yellow
Plum: ????

[hebichan]

Oh ummm sorry about that. I sorta of got distracted with work and being sick I guess. (Really didn't feel like 1q days) I'll catch up.

[hebichan]

I would much rather have gamma stick aroubd than nk15 if im being honest. They're both town so w/a But.

[hebichan]

Fuck I keep forgetting this game exists. I surrender myself to popcorn next.


Om just not feeling this game anymore and work has made my attention for it just drop to zero.

[hebichan]

Neat. That happened I suppose.

[hebichan]

Do you want me to popcorn or not?

[hebichan]

I'm yamata no orochi, I am a joat.

I had a neighbor shot I used on implosion, nothing else on it.
Once per game I can determine the true location of a key, I used it to track the black key for a bit.
One time I would die, including to lynches, I do not die.

With the green key, I can become immune to all abilities for 12 time units, but also I can not use abilities in those time units.

[hebichan]

Implosion was a joat as well. I just assume role madness.

[hebichan]

Ball goes to Alisae, I'll post again when popcorn done

[hebichan]

I mean, lynching pine was good this game so you got even luckier.

[hebichan]

VOTE: open the well

I basically have panic attacks thinking about this game right now so sure.

[hebichan]

So um what's the actual plan cause I heard plum and I were getting them but greyice just got one so, umm I literally just got home.

[hebichan]

So um now what. Cause Maria thinks GI is scum and he has two keys here.

I think we are supposed to lynch scum before handing more keys off?

[hebichan]

Hebi is the yellow key the real one?

Yellow is not real.

[hebichan]

Im just waiting for a greyice post for the popcorn.

[hebichan]

GI blinked first. Hell yes.

[hebichan]

Oh hey, gamma posted.

Should we wait for GI's replacement?

[hebichan]

For the popcorn I mean

[hebichan]

We were waiting for GI to popcorn actions he took this game.

[hebichan]

Lets see.

Around TU 12 I neighborized implosion.

Around 24 katsuki targeted me with an ability.

4 The ago I used my key ability to make myself immune to abilities for what I can only assume is the rest of the game.

[hebichan]

Implosion had a downside to his neighborhood, or secondary power rather, do you?

[hebichan]

Implosion had a downside to his neighborhood, or secondary power rather, do you?

Not that I know of, unless you count the post restriction staying

Do you see a reason in there that GI thought Plum was scum?

[hebichan]

Er I should have given it off to you

[hebichan]

I definitely surrounded your post before.

[hebichan]

GI blinked first. Hell yes.

Ugh I cannot do this but I must

Oh hey, gamma posted.

Should we wait for GI's replacement?

This should of handed it to you.

[hebichan]

So you'll have to do it.

[hebichan]

Hebi-chan has used an action to commute!

...I guess Katsuki's ability made me loud.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Pretty sure this is scum, that's the only reason that there would have been no scum kills since his death imo.

Plus, I'm loud, apparently, I've been loud since katsuki targetted me, which is quite awhile ago.

[hebichan]

This game was painful in exactly the ways I would have expected a 2:7:4 game would be. That said the first few days were fun, especially GreyICE's Neighborhood was enjoyable, and I think Town did very well especially given the incredibly demotivating circumstances. Hebi did very well too but I'd like to think that in a world where Town had more ability to care left in the tank by Well of Fears and GreyICE didn't have to replace out we might have been able to catch her. Oh yeah, and I was demotivated enough to stop double posting by the end so I got the Black Key I guess. I do think there were some cool ideas here, and the core idea of having multiple pieces where Town needs to hold all of them and scum needs to hold only a specific one to win was very neat.

II also feel like I had no agency over the last phase of the game, not knowingwhere the key I wanted was made it impossible to shoot anyone, plus I was loud.

TemporalLich had used his key checking ability on the key I already had...which was....not good, and I never saw the point in taking a 1/6 shot after that.

Ironically, if alisea had given me her keys like she originally planned, apparently I would have one.

My plan on the last day was just to have someone lynched, kill someone, and hand the win to TemporalLich because I had the black key at the start of it.