Micro 892 Mafia PT

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I still find it funny that you thought I was scary that game lmao

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I would’ve been a hell of a lot more suspicious of you if I’d been town this game after 1949

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Meh we gotta do what we gotta do

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I think there may be a protective? I think that’s more likely than you got roleblocked because if you’d been roleblocked I think klick was the mostly likely person to target you but then I think he’d be voting you not voting with you after a no kill

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Most likely explanation is that dong or klick is a doctor, BETTER BE A FUCKING 1 SHOT or this game is more townsided than it already is

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Ye okay i guess but who's the protective? Dong? Bahhhh

Lmao

Prob or maybe klick

Feel like dong was softing something about being additionally powered when he said go with my thing and you’ll see

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... Was that an attempt to soft Loyal Neighbouriser or is that just a joke

That’s just a joke but it’s meant to make people think I might be softing so that when I clarify it’s juat a joke I look townier maybe

Also I’m kinda drubkish

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No, I think maybe icon was just softing to try and bait the kill

It was a p good play tbf

If I flip you should use surprise mafia to argue that I’m good at giving false associations and my hard townread on you was designed to get you mislynched after me

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Also probably argue that klick is the most likely buddy for me because I don’t think I ever explained my TT on him but just left him there throughout

Kill dong at night if he gains any traction today

I’m p sure his “I have something that makes me conftown” is him having told icon that he’d protect him and then the no kill confirming that

If it happens I’m gonna claim a protective on you (I’ll see if anything in my iso could conceivably be a crumb if it comes to it?) and that he’s scum who intentionally no killed to pocket icon

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I think he intentionally saved icon bc he knew that icon was his main supporter and therefore a good scum kill if we were gonna go for his mislynch today

Honestly, his read on me was trash because it was pure OMGUS imo but his read on the gamestate + getting to you as the buddy from the way you’ve been backing me is quite good

It’s all fundamentally OMGUSy which is frustrating but I’ve caught scum that way so I can’t say it’s awful

I’ll note that dong is a super ONGUS player for future I guess

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You either kill dong or you kill key supporters off until you get closer

But it sounds like he wants to out as doc from his conf!town thing so if he does that just take the chance and kill him

It doesn’t tie back to you because I don’t think any scum leaves a protective who’s already made 1 correct save alive

Incidentally I think it’s bullshit to have a protective in two neighbors if scum doesn’t have a counter but I’ll reserve final judgement for postgame when full setup is revealed

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I’m gonna also be semi ignoring dong and focusing on trying to get some play fro others in the game to make them wanna lynch me less

I should have done more groundwork on this yesterday but RL issues so we’ll work with what we’ve fot

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Meh, we’ll see

Don’t underestimate town’s ability to forget conf!town’s reads once the person is dead

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So town has got, assuming that the follower is true

Neighbours
Protection
Follower

And scum has got

Neighbour enabler

Yeah coooooool seems legit

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This game is so townsided it’s fucking stupid

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Yeah I’m gonna claim that dong is a mafia follower but I think this game is prob just lost here

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like
our options are
1) mislynch vex who nobody is SRing
2) mislynch saudade and i can tell you that ain't gonna work

also i'm pissed for an aditional reason remind me post-game to shoot you a PM about it

like i wanna try to pull off some epic fucking comeback here
but
uhhhhhh

s'there even a point in me claiming NE if i'm run up?
like i'm aware it's probably the correct play
but is there even a point

I’m rly bad at deciding on claims under pressure

Could be because it makes dong look worse maybe if I’m pushing the “he’s a scum follower narrative”

Could maybe claim something else too

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I’m gonna try to redirect the lynch onto me rather than you

If I get it done prob submit a kill on dong? On the off chance that he doesn’t get protected because of WIFOM that’s prob the best

He’s doing the most to try and control the gsmestate so he needs to die to let you take control of it afterwards

Then you’d prob need to mislynch one of VV/saudade D3, then kill Bella N3

Which would put you in 4p MYLO with conf!town icon, klick, and one of VV/saudade

Then you could just try to let the paranoia play off them and if they do then it’s gravy

But I think this is just losing because even if I manage to redirect the lynch onto me I don’t think that Bella bothers to WIFOM the kill and she prob just protects dong

There’s one more possibility which is that icon is the real follower and they agreed to do it this way to bait the kill onto dong but honestly it’s all just WIFOM regarding that

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Best move may actually be to compromise and do saudade at this point

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I’m gonna towncass you later

And say that I also doubt very much that VV!scum is a thing

So I’ll begrudgingly compromise onto saudade to try and save you

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Increasingly think that the best way to try and win may be to try and reach mylo with klick, dong, me, one more

Like, it’s totally plausible that post was bait

But if multiple people are thinking this tunnel is real then maybe it’ll be doable

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Errr, I think disliking his push is good

The fact that he’s pushing you but hasn’t provided any real case/evidence is something you can push on

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Nah I don’t think so, let’s see where icon is at

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Yes, I don’t think so was re: that

I am now wondering if we couldn’t win in mylo maaaaybe

Lynch saudade today

Then kill bella

Lynch kori D3 maaaaaaybe

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uhhhhhh is massclaiming good for us here

you know what at this point dong/klick actually being masons wouldn't even surprise me

actually wait i think i solved the setup
it's two scum v 7 fucking BP masons
and chem flip was just a troll

Lmao

I think that the problem with balance is having two town neighbours ftr

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oh jolly, massclaim. NE for me, we doing it?

I dunno shall we jam about it first?

I hate fakeclaiming so I’m not really sure if it’s a good idea here or not

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Ugh my phone is gonna die in a moment

I’ll respond when I get home and am on laptop, okay?

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Datisi

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We need to discuss massclaim

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But aaaaalso

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You should join the team mafia team with turkey and me

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but like look at this shit we're in and i'm not doing crap why do you even want me on

also massclaim

Funsies

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I think that probably claiming it is best

Just because at this point maximum confusion is best and you have a good crumb to back it up

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Plus it gets people talking about setup spec not about scum for a minute

Can you point me to towny posts by you? I’m gonna towncase you tonight but it’s be a good idea to have an idea of where you think you’ve been towniest for me to start from

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going through iso

crying in bad mafia skills

Shaddap, you

You know you make good posts that seem townie

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Klick is just on you because of PoE after TRing dong and me

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Also, team mafia?

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Well we’re here now bc of mechanical shit and pushing someone who OMGUS’d incredibly hard and won’t let it go

Arghhhhh, ooohhhhh-KAYYYYY, I SUPPOSE so

(But yis, yis, fair enough)

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Lol sorry I was reading someone else’s meta, haven’t checked the game thread going now

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Lol I don’t wanna do that I’ll lose

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In other news this is maybe looking up for us?

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Not a lot but like marginally

I think kori’s icon read might actually fucking blow up into something

God we just need icon to come back and we can have a big fucking shitfest which is exactly what we need

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oh i just noticed saudade in 649 missed the whole thing about the neighbors
i think i'm gonna call that out next time i post

also so far in this one goddamn 9p game there had been a fake mason claim three (3) times
hell

I might fakeclaim masons with you

(But not really but maybe depending on where the flip is?)

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Let’s coast it out a little

I’ll towncase you

Then if massclaim comes up again we get on board sharpish

If it doesn’t then we can let it linger a bit or bring it up ourselves for town points

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I kinda think masons could almost work?

Like it explains us backing each other

Prob males sense for scum to kill the protective whatever happens

Then we just push dong for the win in mylo?

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I just don’t know if that claim can fit wit my progressions/general attitude throughout the game

But I legit think it could be winning if we can get a lynch on saudade today

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Err like we get on board quickly

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Idk if masons would end up being TSTBS

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But it kinda explains the way we’ve backed each other and being intransigent about that

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And like I think if mylo is you me Klick icon dong kori

Idk kori could vote there I think, and maybe so could klick and icon

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No, i mean outing today

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Like we claim today p soon get saudade done then go for that mylo

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The problem is it’s a pretty huge gamble

Idk how a claim like that goes down

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Why does that make us not masons?

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The unvotes i mean

You’re probably right but explain to me

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Fuck, yeah, you’re right

God this is just like when I wanted to fakeclaim tracker as a CC agaisnt scum!pine but couldn’t because my initial reaction to his claim was too obviously from someone genuinely considering it rather than someone baiting someone into looking even worse

We would’ve won that game if I’d pulled off the fake CC too

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Yeah that was group chat

I’m gonna eat in a minute then prob towncase you right before bed? I may crash out though

I hate doing fake cases

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Yeah I don’t think you not-posting rn looks bad for us

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I hate doing fake cases

imagine it's 1949 and you're making your readslist

Hmmm, okay yes, good advice

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That’s because I’m British

It wasn’t sarcastic but idk how to say that without also sounding sarcastic?

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https://youtu.be/KUwUEPryqmw

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<3

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This time I have already read it and not responded so not to fear!

Sorry, I forgot that you’d asked about that or didn’t see it (can’t rmeem which) before I psted

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I think maybe just let this burn

You could respond to me casing you once it’s up

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But I think we’re mostly waiting on my dats towncase and VV’s saudade scumcase

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hi I'm here

u know I don't keep all my threads open at the same time right? it's the only way I can keep my focus when playing multiple games at once

idk if we need to over justify voting sau

I would maybe just vote there after a bit of interaction with limited/no explanation

then if they push you to explain it provide. but I think it almost looks a bit over eager to explain if you do it in the post and I think town is less concerned about appearances

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gonna be town casing u now too

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I am defo gonna post the town case here for review when I have it done but... I still don't

yes I am procrastinating

but also I tried to open up a mobile account and my fucking IBAN isn't getting recognised

(and cases are hard and fake ones are harder)

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right

RIGHT.

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God, I fucking hate cases:

"so I think that some of dats' early posting with icon is good looking back

specifically, I know that dats is super paranoid about people she's played with before, so her tone in 46, 48, and [/post]50[/post] seems townie, but also just the fact that she's interacting with icon like that -- I don't think scum dats would reply to icon with a GIF there or respond so nonchalantly, I think she'd be super paranoid and try to avoid him which she explicitly doesn't do in 87 where she bugs him to answer a Q

then in posts 88 through 102 I think she's genuinely trying to sort dong's read on icon. also I think those two questions are pretty empty from Bella, and I think that empty content does come from scum more often than town, so calling it out even though Bella is now conf!town makes dats townie too (from 102 where she's responding to dong) I think 108 is more evidence of an attempt to provoke content from Bella that will help dats sort her after not liking her earlier posts. towny.

then 129 makes sense in that context. I think there were good reasons to find Bella's early game content off, dats spotted those, followed up, and then gives a kind of tentative read on Bella. this could be hedging but I think it's much more likely (from tone and from her prior interactions with Bella) to be town who's unsure "Feels kinda uncommitted? (To be fair, it is page 5/6, so it may be too early, but still.)" -- I think scum here probably avoids being fencesitty on something like this, especially scum that's as paranoid as dats

138 and 142 are both more examples of dats acting in a way that I don't think scum!dats would. like, that's borderline aggravating ico imo, or has the potential to, and I think scum!dats is more careful to avoid treading on fingers.

then I like that she's asking about the "either ways" thing from dong in 159 bc that also pinged me when I was reading through the thread, as I imagine everyone is already aware of who's actually read the game.

then I think that town!dats with some mild Bella paranoia is likely to be paying more attention to bella's posts. so while I don't think that dats calling Bella out in 176 for being lamist is actually right, I think that she actually believes that and I don't think it's manufactured. like I potentially should check 1949 again but I mostly remember dats seeming town from not posting much content at all, not from being really good at faking trajectories. oh, also, in 171 I don't think that scum!dats is likely to draw more attention to herself by saying "oh look, my RVS vote isn't random anymore"

then in 193 she's trying to cover up for dong. this is actually one of the things that does seem slightly off, because it's almost slightly appeasing in tone "did I get it right?" but I think that dong's behaviour since then makes him scum. I don't think scum interacts with their partner in such a blatantly deferent way in thread.

then I think the way she backs off Bella is from a town thought process too. Bella pushes for content in 195 and then follows up with more requests for content in 210. if dats' main problem was a lack of content, then it makes sense why it's bella's posts in-between 170 and 226 from dats are posts that would make her revise that read. I think that was when Bella generated content and took a stance for the first time (214, 217) regarding lynching chem. and then I think 232 reflects that when she gives her first readslist.

I also like that she's not trying to be elusive with that readslist and it's about the right amount. she's not trying to force people to be town if they're not (looking at her stance on dong and on me) but she's also trying to sort down to three people she'd like to lynch which is pro-town as I think you need to make peace with the fact that although there may be multiple you don't like/think are bad, they're not all necessarily scum. but equally, I think scum is prob more concerned here with looking loose from not locking people up harder and sticking to that 3 SRs pool, and again, I think this is something that hyper self-aware scum!datisi thinks about and reacts to. So I don't think that scum!dats puts 3 other people in spots where she may move them and says "yeah these are my reads but I could be flexible on these guys".

later in 283 I think this lines up with the thought process that I think is evident from her posts. I think you can actually see her undergo a change from feeling iffy on Bella to coming off that read, and I think the fact that she's able to clearly explain it here (how it happened, where the read came from, why it changed) and that you can see evidence for all of that in this wall makes it far more likely to be a thought process that's genuine, ie. from town.

slightly after I like that she's worrying about whether I could be scum with chem in 277. I think she's still wondering here about me, dong, and chem.

then I think the defence of icon is good 290. I think town is more likely to be so concerned about a player who's mislynchable (as icon often is, look how close he was on D1) and that they know is mislynchable. it's the same sort of thought process I was having around chem but just directed elsewhere. also, just tonally, I think this is right: there's not an oversell on how sure she is, but I also don't think this looks like she's setting him as someone to come back to a SR on later. like. she's not leaving the door open enough in her uncertainty for that to be easy for scum!her.

posts 318 and 385 are following up on not having answers from dong. I think scum is more likely to forget what they asked/didn't asked, and more willing to let those things slip through the cracks if it's not helpful. I think it's much, much easier for scum!dats to just let me and dong fight it out, hop onto the chem wagon when she'd expressed doubts around him early that would justify her action (along with him not really being TR) and just take the mislynch.

and I thought that trying to keep the thread civil in 389 civil is townleanable. I don't see why scum bothers to correct toxic behaviour/conflict when that's likely to lead to increased apathy which I think typically benefits scum.

then 416 is something that makes sense to me aka lynching the fucking fake mason claim and I still swear to god I have no idea why everyone has been acting like fake claims aren't scum indicative AT A MINIMUM. so datisi getting on here jives with my thought process and cements her as one of the people actually acting rationally D1

also think 517 is incredibly town both in content (" dude, we were just in a game (Mini Normal 2095) where two slots who were arguably acting the most anti-Town like were the goddamn scumteam") and in tone ("I'm just fucking done losing Town games from scum who spends the whole game doing the most anti-Town things imaginable for the Town to then go "haha personality yep they're Town™!""). I believe in making decisions based on the particular game you're in. I think that just universally making decisions based on 'truths' about the game (VCA comes to mind as a common fuckup area, as does overreliance on meta reads -- I hate the phrase, "outside X's scumrange") is a bad move that loses some games. but guess what? those general tells (anti-town behaviour) are scum indicative because a lot of the time they come from scum! I like how pissed off about this she is, because it mirrors my own irritation. I feel like I've been fighting an uphill battle that somewhere along the line is getting misled by scum who know perfectly well that dong is scum but are pushing the TSTBS narrative to keep him out of the lynch pool. the fact that datisi is taking a stand on that with me is another thing that makes her town. it's like an attitude mind meld.

also, just look at dong's progression on her: I think she's making valid points in 518 where she talks about him TRing her to his move onto her as scum once she sees through his BS and votes him (by 528 -- and surprise surprise, there's a misrep involved. he says that he's not been ignoring her when she had to answer a question three times to get an answer, that generally qualifies as ignoring in my book). also, I think dong's kinda perspective slipping in 521 regarding dats. he says "don't fool yourself into thinking that" -- I think that sounds like someone who knows that they're believing something in a genuine way, i.e. her believing dong was ignoring her. which then turns into "I'm pretty sure its menal/datisi by this point" in 523 despite there being no other content from datisi in-between the two posts, only klick voting him in 522, which is prob pressure for him to produce content when he hasn't had the time to fully lay the groundwork, only to hint at it (in 521 "your content has been inoffensive for the most part, i have to say that upon closer inspection they dont appear to be to good. I'll make a post detailing my thought process on this.")

and that's it. that's my datisi towncase."

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none of those post links will work btw, soz

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btw how do town members usually... respond to other people towncasing them?? like i generally ignore both town and scumcases on me unless there's a question

lol I have no idea

you TR me so probably just roll with it then be paranoid of me tomorrow

you could probably also just partly TR me for the effort tbh

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657 looks good to me

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hmmm

I wonder if we could pedit the posting

like I post mine and then you pedit yours with something like "holy shit batman" or something

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slightly after I like that she's worrying about whether I could be scum with chem in 277. I think she's still wondering here about me, dong, and chem.

okay what is this? 277 is not my post?

and that would be kinda funny ngl. let's wait a bit until we get this thing sorted out

286, my bad

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and 355

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170 is intentional aha, I meant from her 170 to your 226

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okay lmk when you're ready to go on the pedit thing

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Imma be here refreshing for a hot second until I see you okay me

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I mean I think pushing dong is still the logical thing from where my mindset would be if I'd made the posts I'd made

but I think that if I vote anywhere else to keep you alive after this then it's explicable

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dats when you say "go" I'm posting

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okay well

we're committed now that's for sure

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nah dude it's always a team effort

I would've entirely given up on this game if you weren't an amazing partner

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also let's not get ahead of ourselves here lmao, I still think we're way behind

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but like I think we've done a fucking great job of trying to win this even in a really shitty spot and I'm proud of us for doing that and not just giving up or throwing in the towel

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also as of this post we're officially caught up to the main thread in post count lmao

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....should i ask him about it?

I think that was a good post

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aaaaaaaa why is dong here

I don't really like doing this but I'm basically gonna do my best to freeze dong out of the game for the rest of the time I'm in thread and he's there

I think part of why he's proved so hard to deal with is just high thread presence: he's beating me out by around 30 posts for top poster

so I think partly his content just needs to drown and hopefully the strongest voice prevails

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hmmm

I actually think it's pretty okay either way

like with saudade it becomes a fight against dong prob

best case scenario is that VV gets SR for pushing saudade, and we jump on as quickhammers

if we lynch dong then I get to untunnel and that frees me up to go after basically klick, saudade, or VV. but I think a dong green flip may be worse for us here than just lynching saudade

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but I think a dong green flip may be worse for us here than just lynching saudade

ye, i've been thinking about this

but if we're killing bella, it becomes a shit ton of wifom of which one of us is dong gonna track during the night
because if he claims a guilty on one of us
i think that one isn't making it out

also going back to me fakelcaiming
ughhhhhh
like i think if i don't claim today then claiming is gonna screw me over tomorrow

Idk I think there’s a reasonable chance that we can just claim it’s a fake guilty that he’s making to try and win right there

Don’t discount how much paranoia there will be in mylo

If we harness it right then I think that a claimed guilty is just gonna add to that

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I know that dats is super paranoid about people she's played with before

i just realized

how do you know this?

You told me out of game when we were chatting

Or at least that’s what I’m gonna say if anyone asks

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eh, as long as people are convinced dongvmena is tvt, we should be fine
but then again if they're convinced that they aren't gonna vote dong anyway

ughhhh logic is telling me that claiming NE here would be bad
since 4 town PR's is too packed
god i hate fakeclaiming

Yeah idk

But then again I think scum follower neighbour vs town neighbour, doc, neighbour enabler

Sounds more balanced than scum neighbour enabler vs town neighbours (incl 1 follower), doc

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Datisi

Datisi

Dats

Should you not be in bed by now?

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I think the problem is that not claiming then leaves town very open tomorrow to just following a guilty

And fuck, I think dong might even claim one even if he follows whichever one of us doesn’t kill

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Whereas if we claim it and we don’t get dong (I still think it’s unlikely) then the gamestate is even more confused tomorrow because there are more claims town has to try and sort between

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TL;dr if we do still do massclaim I think the downside of a mylo where dong is flipped is smaller than the upside for a lylo where he isn’t

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Whats your essay on?

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Unlikely we get dong unless my towncase on you significantly sways 2 out of 3 of bella, icon, klick

I guess saudade might vote there out of survivalism? I don’t really know him but I think he has a reputation for being kinda unique and unpredictable

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To doing massclaim if massclaim is brought up again

Maybe to doing it anyway

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Also it is good to hear that you’re using the medical degree to improve your mafia skills, which as we all know are the truly important things in life

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Yeah I think you claiming could be good actually

And it would make sense to do so after icon

4 TPR (even if one is gating) seems excessive especially when it’s more like 5 given the neighbours

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Because what are the odds this is an all-town lynch?

That would be about 100% odds icon

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yeah why not, let's do it

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I'd normally call out that VCA is trash but I'm gonna take the chance of no-one noticing that town!me would point it out because I think bad VCA helps us more than me getting town points for calling it out does

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Ye
Also the mini normal 2095 had an alltown wagon day one and usually I'd call icon out pn that but shhhhh

tbf you prob could call that because I think it's easier to do in a mini than a micro

slightly

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how did your essay writing go?

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I think based on icon's post pushing back against massclaim this is a good time to just go for it

like "no, I think we need a massclaim because I'm a PR too -- neighbourhood enabler, I crumbed it in X, and I don't think all of these roles can be town sided"

not that exact phrasing obv but that sentiment

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like this is where I'd reveal if I were town

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also that didn't sound rude dw

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Just keep engaging, maybe say you forgot he had a loyal modifier there if you think he’d buy that you’d legit forget that

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Bring up that having two PRs in the neighbourhood seems like a weird coincidence? Because having two people who can confirm their roles, even if they’re not loyal, does seem like a substantial boost to town power

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lol icon has been bang on today

Apart from his thinking 1 on 1 off on the wagon

I’d prob just agree here

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Or go back and forth a bit on having 2 town neighbours being excessive on top of the follower and doc

Then agree with him

But his argument looks good so I don’t think you can fight it too hard/long without looking disingenuous

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Now is prob the time for “if I was scum I’d have had that thought so why would I claim”

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this fucking game. this FUCKING game. okay breathe.

Do this

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Hmm, latest post coooouuuuld be a trap

Idk if he wants you to say dong

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Me: i probably shouldn’t say dong
Me-to-me: say it anyway

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I guess you’d wanna lynch on wagon unless you think switching to a SR on me would be natural here?

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Wait, how are you meant to be reading kori?

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Agreed, Menalque. I also don't see scum!Datisi playing like this

this feels

trappy

I actually thought this seemed genuine

I think maybe you’re overthinking it bc it’s about you?

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I’m thinking of a pivot to klick

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Post 759 yes or no

I think yes?

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Ahh shit I think sau may have this

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I’m thinking I can walk back my dong SR kinda naturally

And SR klick for being too keen on it being TvT

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Hmmmmm

If I am the lynch is it worth no killing?

Idk we can come up with a plan if it looks like it’s going that way

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~*the suspense*~

God sau is such a drama queen

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Lol yes, let us hope for that

Honestly this game

I stand by the strategy for today of just trying to make everything as confused as humanly possible and that it’s kinda good job town if they’ve just worked through that

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I think we prob play with something like

Hope to mislynch sau, but maybe more likely VV (or even klick?)

Kill Bella

Prob one of us goes down tomorrow, think it might be better if it’s me

Kill dong

Try and get you into mylo with icon + VV/klick/sau

Hope that icon still believes you’re town after my flip

Try to get one to vote the other of VV/klick/sau

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I think with dong’s latest question

If you can’t come up with something better

You could maybe just pretend that you didn’t think that enabler would reply to masons but only to neighbours

So you were confused

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hmmmmm... what's a better lynch for us today? vex or sau? I'd say sau maybe? since kori is TRing us for now? but who knows if their TR on me is genuine...

Either is good tbh but I’d prefer sau bc I have less experience with him and wildcards Can be dangerous

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I don't think Datisi kills Icon last night.

Also this was kind of a lol

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Ye, i kinda wanna believe that koris gonna keep TRing me based on the recklessness that was the NE claim
But so far it's shaping up to be a vex lynch
Hhhhhhng where is kori? And where is bella?

Pedit:

i think like the last 3-4 pages are nothing but a huge lol tbh

Ain’t that the truth

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Also my relations with dong
Uhhhhhh if dong keeps acting civil should i like slowly back off???

Hmmm

Maybe

Sorry, that’s the sort of thing I think comes down to what you believe is natural to you

I kinda think I’m coming around to TR dong

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Like that Icon back and forth
Was fking scary
Like i know we do it like every game
But being scum going against town!Icon
And he starts going "lol is your claim fake"
Uhh

lolololol, tbf I think you held it together incredibly well

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you're playing ping pong and mafia at the same time!? I can barely play ping pong when I have both eyes on the table

you are some kind of ping pong GOD

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Oh wow I thought you were just gonna say that you were sitting on the bench but no

Actually while playing, shit

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i need to reply to klick about PR stuff? fuck if i know i didn't think it through this far lmao

Lol idk

I’m gonna declare that I think the game is PoE solvable potentially with the answer being 2 out of 3 scum in (klick, VV, sau)

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Hmmmm, I think I do make the nk tonight tho

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(Feels a lil bit like ur bragging)

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I have a lot of faith in you to get klick mislynched if you end up in either of those mylos

I actually think you specifically may do better in the second after a mena!flip bc I think red!me probably makes kori reconsider you more than it makes sau reconsider you

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Yeah just leave it for a bit

Maybe don’t ease up on dong yet? It’ll seem potentially a bit too coordinated

I kinda wanna vote kori but I might vote klick I kinda don’t wanna draw sau’s attention w/ a vote there atm

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I can’t post yet so if my wagon gets run up I’ll have to fight it later

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I need to give it some time and not look overly surgivalistic when I come in TRing dong

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Yeah I’m not that surprised tbh

I think dong is too tunnelled on me to ever let it go which is kinda fair

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Even if my wagon builds I’m not guaranteed dead

I’ll fight my wagon if I can

I really suck at fake fighting wagons as scum

Seriously, people should convince me I’m inevitably getting lynched every game because scum me struggles so much to put the effort in when I believe the death/loss is inevitable

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uhhhh just thinking about Day 3 it's a headache
like nothing but a headache
like i can't bus you? but if i'm gonna be the only one defending you? oh god

aaaaa i need to go to bed

also Mena please don't die today. Please. Don't leave me alone. I can't do this alone

Hey there are still options

There will be 6 of us but so long as we can convince 2 of icon/klick/ mash that someone is a better option than me we may be able to quickhammer

I even think dong might try hammer baiting? Like, it wouldn’t massively surprise me

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We’re also same time zone and online quite a lot so that gives us an advantage there

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Don’t bus me, it’s definitely a negative EV move today and prob still is tomorrow

I think if we get the lynch today then tomorrow we can potentially get you to a winning spot in mylo

Same idea as in kori’s game with you, I may die but in the process of doing so I hopefully create good associatives that make someone else seem more like my partner

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Yeh hammer baiting is that

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Oh dw I’ll almost defo fight it today

Also dong has genuinely got on my nerves all game so that’s +effort from me

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Kori I could fuckin kiss you for that post

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That’s prob enough for me to justify getting on to him once I make a good fake progression there

Then it’s carte blanche to push sau tomorrow

Which I think if you can sway icon onto then we win

Because I think klick will vote there prob

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Unless we get fucked by the follow but the strategy doesn’t necessarily change a lot

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Hmmmm

Me, sau, klick?, icon?, Bella?

Dong on me

You on sau or dong

Kori on sau

It makes it harder but it’s doable

Might need you to force it through

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Yes

People TR hammers that are under deadline pressure so long as it’s not a quickhammer mostly

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We need someone dead today because it’s a long road to 3p lylo otherwise

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I mean I think you could do it

But it’s long

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Prob not based on his general play

There’s appetite for a mena lynch so he gains more through being uncompromising esp as he’s more or less lock!town t most people

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ugh sorry I'm super burned out and working I'll prob recover and be around later today more

like I've read your stuff and I'm thinking about it

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Erm

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Sometimes

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Not alllllll times

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one thing actually scaring me rn is the fact that icon didn't use his night action
because why would he give up his night action???

if icon's actually the follower and he faked the mailman claim
and dong is baiting the N3 kill
this game is over
oh my lord we need to figure that out and fast

uhhhhhhhh next time icon comes online (maybe tomorrow) i could pry about that??? maybe?????

I think prying about that is prob a bad idea

This playerlist is gonna notice rolefishing I think and they’ll SR you for it

I think it’s pretty likely tho

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...please
you know i can shit out like 3 pages of the PT chat while you're away
pls read it first
like
pls

I will try and do this in future, I promise

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Hmmmm

If icon sends a message to dong then he’s prob the follower

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Then it’s carte blanche to push sau tomorrow

oh yeah, about this
it's gonne be odd if we both push only one player
since it's mylo

so mylo tomorrow of Icon/Klick/Dong/Sau/Dats/Mena

who do we push as the team? Do we push the same team?

Tbh I just don’t know about this yet, I can’t really read the room rn

There’s too much town incentive to keep things hidden and not be totally sincere while sorting imo

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I think it’s pretty likely tho

likely? the more i was thinking about it the more i was coming to the conclusion it's unlikely? i dunno

also klick being klick in the main thread oh my god
okay

pedit: wdym? they're in a neighborhood, why'd he send a message?

No, as in if he claims that he did that

Then there’s prob no mailman

In which case dong is baiting the kill

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Yeah no, I get that, I’m just really off the gamestate rn

I can’t read it

I think some people are being sincere but I think others are prob misrepresenting who/where the actually TR/SR

And I can’t parse it atm

That’s partly why I’ve been a bit checked out, also just irl

But also bc faking my progression here is gonna be hard

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I’m just

Idk, v burned out

I feel a lot better now than earlier tho, I napped and I hadn’t slept well

And I’m always kinda a bit emotionally turbulent when I’m v tired

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Thanks for asking <3

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Yeah, I will

I’m just sad I guess, actually

So that + tired equals not much motivation to play

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okay I'm back and ready to rumble

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I think that it's probs best if you don't join me on sau

I will prob fight it a little, or at least question it, then get on board to avoid no lynch

but as much as I'd like to win tomorrow, I think we're mostly playing for 4p mylo so our aim here is mostly managing associatives

I think I've done quite a good job of making you look almost too obviously like my fallgirl on a scum flip

but we need to make sure that the behaviour looks like me fooling you and pocketing you rather than you going along with everything willingly

assuming it goes VV today, Bella tonight, me tomorrow, icon the next day (if we decide he's the real follower, which I increasingly think is true)

then it's gonna be lylo with dong, you, klick, sau

so we need to make sure that my associative look like they're worst for klick or sau

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oh lol I didn't look at the game beforehand this time

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i kinda want you look at both? tho this is preferable

well I mean I do also read the main thread before I actually post

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okay pkay sau's not gonna vote. klick prob won't either and bella said they wouldn't. you and i obviously won't either. okay everything is fineeeeeee why am i such a doof i shouldn't be playing mafia on this little sleep

idk icon might, in which case one of the others may to make sure a lynch goes through

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dats, how tempted are you to just submit a night kill on icon again regardless?

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my god that would be glorious, esp if he flipped follower

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like do we think Bella wifoms the protection

bc I'm seriously thinking like

if icon flipped follower here

that's like incredibly incriminating for Bella/dong right?

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actually not very? like the more i think about it the less sense-- oh you mean this night?

yeah exactly

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like if we killed icon and he flipped follower

suddenly a Bella/dong scumteam is super super viable

dong's stances look terrible

it's plausible that icon told him in the neighbourhood that he was the follower bc he was trusting dong and the idea was that dong would eat the nk

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oh wait but why would they kill icon there

hmmmm

scum slip in the neighbourhood?

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hmmmmmmmmm

idk but I guess we can talk more during night assuming dong doesn't manage convince icon/Bella to lynch me?

yeah, I think the fact that it makes them look sooooo obviously scummy is the main point against doing it bc why would you actually do that when icon believes he's in a town bloc with you

so yeah prob the optimal route to try and win is to lynch sau, kill Bella (hope I don't get followed) then push VV or klick depending on who seems more viable, while assuming I die and trying to leave behind associatives that spew you town and spew one of the other two scum

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another thought I had:

if we agree on you doing the kill tonight, and if Dong Follows you and claims a guilty on you, I don't think there's a force in this universe that's gonna keep you from flipping. if I try to defend you there, it's gonna look way way worse for me in 4p. if i suddenly start bussing you, it's gonna look Forced and Bad.

so my idea is, if dong claims a guilty:

you concede

. start an angry rant about how Night 1 actions were bulllshit. how the NK got saved, how both icon and bella got confirmed, with dong being quasiconfirmed. like scream your heart out, spam the thread as much as humanely possible. self-hammer as soon as you get to L-1. i think this gives me an out in voting you without it appearing like a forced bus.

the only downside is if dong follows

me

then claims a guilty on

you

anyway, but.... idk. let's fucking hope not.

as long as you flip Goon, the argument of "with goon!mena flip i'm basically confirmed, there being just a scum NE against three very very strong PR's is insane and there's no way that's the actual setup" is i think gonna be enough to at least convince klick in 4p. either he then votes with me or others turn against him. why would scum!Mena say "guys datisi is GOOD as scum DO NOT tr her" when he sees his partner getting some ez ez townreads??

I'm not super keen on this just because it's not super my style

I kinda prefer the idea of copying pine in a recent game where I had him absolutely dead to rights as scum in LYLO

he open wolfed and offered to concede if town could vote his partner out in 5p lylo

so I kinda wanna make the same deal -- vote my partner today and I'll concede tomorrow

then we hope that they get it wrong on you? and if they ever put down a second vote on anyone then we coordinate here and quick hammer the shit out of it

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or alternatively, arguing against it and trying to look townie and then self-hammering the moment it reaches L-1

I think so long as I'm protesting that I'm town and that dong is somehow scum the greater the odds are that people put me to L-1 in the first place

so I agree with the broad concept of doing something wacky, but I just think that particular plan doesn't necessarily go super well with me and my style?

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2)

Town Mailman Neighbour

+

Town Follower Neighbour

+

Town Doctor

vs

Mafia Neighbor Enabler

is a downright

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setup

do you think this is actually a good arguement to use if/when you flip goon?

oh and you didn't comment on 847? can you give me your thoughts for that?

and yeah i feel like we'll be jamming during the night about this shit
holy hell

err, I think as backup yeah, but they might just argue you're fakeclaiming NE instead of something stronger

I think better to make your argument mostly off interactions with setup spec as support rather than the other way around

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I'm actually tempted to just quickhammer if VV does reach L-1

and then go for that plan tomorrow (open wolfing and offering concession if they get my partner?)

what do you think?

my main concern is that dong manages to cajole people into voting me today instead of VV or sau and I can't even really argue back against it rn, so it might be optimal to just end day and gambit

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yeah with sau not willing to move his vote i think you're pretty safe

this is sau tho

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soz, trying my best

hmm

might just flip onto VV lol

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meh

let's see how much play he gets

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"And the self vote is pretty obviously a martyr play to let ico live another day which i gave up on when i realized i can probably make better use of a follower pm."

tell me that doesn't sound like icon's the follower?

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we're gonna have to fine comb this I think

like each of us cases and then we discuss it

I still p hard lean that it's icon at this point

and tbh if that post by dong was like a fake crumb that he was lying to make it look like icon is the follower then fair fucking play he deserves to live

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assuming I'm still here N2 lol

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LMFAO DID THAT JUST HAPPEN

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I haven’t even been here lol and I sign in and what is that? Oh, a town self-hammer, NOICE

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Didn’t we have like a day left anyway?

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Oh shit, there’s a real chance we win this

Like if I get flipped tomorrow and you’re in mylo with klick, kori, icon

So long as they don’t have a hard guilty on you I think there’s a very good chance you win

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Still gonna need to get the follower kill right tho

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I kill bella

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Are you dried yet?