Micro 892 Mafia PT

[Datisi]

Meeeeenaaaaaaalqueeeeeeeeee

[Menalque]

hi I'm here

u know I don't keep all my threads open at the same time right? it's the only way I can keep my focus when playing multiple games at once

idk if we need to over justify voting sau

I would maybe just vote there after a bit of interaction with limited/no explanation

then if they push you to explain it provide. but I think it almost looks a bit over eager to explain if you do it in the post and I think town is less concerned about appearances

[Menalque]

gonna be town casing u now too

[Datisi]

Yeah i know sorry. Just saw you posting in this game earlier

But if I'm actually going to be claiming NE (which is a possible soft cc?) so i kinda wanna have a plan ready there, like at least agreed on

Since oh claiming NE but I'm gonna be voting sau
I'm thinking like go against sau but also keep hinting at how many claims we've had? So it kinda looks credible when i do claim?

[Datisi]

oh yeah, do you plan on posting the ToWnCaSe here for overview?

[Menalque]

I am defo gonna post the town case here for review when I have it done but... I still don't

yes I am procrastinating

but also I tried to open up a mobile account and my fucking IBAN isn't getting recognised

(and cases are hard and fake ones are harder)

[Datisi]

Since oh claiming NE but I'm gonna be voting sau
I'm thinking like go against sau but also keep hinting at how many claims we've had? So it kinda looks credible when i do claim?

also i think i'm gonna bs this here and let you review it

[Datisi]

Spoiler: ughhhhh why am i in this game

2 PRs already outted might as well out what's left to avoid any scum gambits in the future

And the Neighbor pair.

missed ico being saved. id have to sleep on what that makes my reads.
also, im gonna case the locke/sauce slot tomorrow and prove why they're scum.

the thing is in a proper town process, first you think about what makes someone scum or town and then go from there.
you go backwards, you pick someone as scum and then think why they are scum.
lol

Vex said yesterday they were SRing your slot. Why do you even replace into a game if you're not gonna read then make BS accusations like this?

[Menalque]

right

RIGHT.

[Menalque]

God, I fucking hate cases:

"so I think that some of dats' early posting with icon is good looking back

specifically, I know that dats is super paranoid about people she's played with before, so her tone in 46, 48, and [/post]50[/post] seems townie, but also just the fact that she's interacting with icon like that -- I don't think scum dats would reply to icon with a GIF there or respond so nonchalantly, I think she'd be super paranoid and try to avoid him which she explicitly doesn't do in 87 where she bugs him to answer a Q

then in posts 88 through 102 I think she's genuinely trying to sort dong's read on icon. also I think those two questions are pretty empty from Bella, and I think that empty content does come from scum more often than town, so calling it out even though Bella is now conf!town makes dats townie too (from 102 where she's responding to dong) I think 108 is more evidence of an attempt to provoke content from Bella that will help dats sort her after not liking her earlier posts. towny.

then 129 makes sense in that context. I think there were good reasons to find Bella's early game content off, dats spotted those, followed up, and then gives a kind of tentative read on Bella. this could be hedging but I think it's much more likely (from tone and from her prior interactions with Bella) to be town who's unsure "Feels kinda uncommitted? (To be fair, it is page 5/6, so it may be too early, but still.)" -- I think scum here probably avoids being fencesitty on something like this, especially scum that's as paranoid as dats

138 and 142 are both more examples of dats acting in a way that I don't think scum!dats would. like, that's borderline aggravating ico imo, or has the potential to, and I think scum!dats is more careful to avoid treading on fingers.

then I like that she's asking about the "either ways" thing from dong in 159 bc that also pinged me when I was reading through the thread, as I imagine everyone is already aware of who's actually read the game.

then I think that town!dats with some mild Bella paranoia is likely to be paying more attention to bella's posts. so while I don't think that dats calling Bella out in 176 for being lamist is actually right, I think that she actually believes that and I don't think it's manufactured. like I potentially should check 1949 again but I mostly remember dats seeming town from not posting much content at all, not from being really good at faking trajectories. oh, also, in 171 I don't think that scum!dats is likely to draw more attention to herself by saying "oh look, my RVS vote isn't random anymore"

then in 193 she's trying to cover up for dong. this is actually one of the things that does seem slightly off, because it's almost slightly appeasing in tone "did I get it right?" but I think that dong's behaviour since then makes him scum. I don't think scum interacts with their partner in such a blatantly deferent way in thread.

then I think the way she backs off Bella is from a town thought process too. Bella pushes for content in 195 and then follows up with more requests for content in 210. if dats' main problem was a lack of content, then it makes sense why it's bella's posts in-between 170 and 226 from dats are posts that would make her revise that read. I think that was when Bella generated content and took a stance for the first time (214, 217) regarding lynching chem. and then I think 232 reflects that when she gives her first readslist.

I also like that she's not trying to be elusive with that readslist and it's about the right amount. she's not trying to force people to be town if they're not (looking at her stance on dong and on me) but she's also trying to sort down to three people she'd like to lynch which is pro-town as I think you need to make peace with the fact that although there may be multiple you don't like/think are bad, they're not all necessarily scum. but equally, I think scum is prob more concerned here with looking loose from not locking people up harder and sticking to that 3 SRs pool, and again, I think this is something that hyper self-aware scum!datisi thinks about and reacts to. So I don't think that scum!dats puts 3 other people in spots where she may move them and says "yeah these are my reads but I could be flexible on these guys".

later in 283 I think this lines up with the thought process that I think is evident from her posts. I think you can actually see her undergo a change from feeling iffy on Bella to coming off that read, and I think the fact that she's able to clearly explain it here (how it happened, where the read came from, why it changed) and that you can see evidence for all of that in this wall makes it far more likely to be a thought process that's genuine, ie. from town.

slightly after I like that she's worrying about whether I could be scum with chem in 277. I think she's still wondering here about me, dong, and chem.

then I think the defence of icon is good 290. I think town is more likely to be so concerned about a player who's mislynchable (as icon often is, look how close he was on D1) and that they know is mislynchable. it's the same sort of thought process I was having around chem but just directed elsewhere. also, just tonally, I think this is right: there's not an oversell on how sure she is, but I also don't think this looks like she's setting him as someone to come back to a SR on later. like. she's not leaving the door open enough in her uncertainty for that to be easy for scum!her.

posts 318 and 385 are following up on not having answers from dong. I think scum is more likely to forget what they asked/didn't asked, and more willing to let those things slip through the cracks if it's not helpful. I think it's much, much easier for scum!dats to just let me and dong fight it out, hop onto the chem wagon when she'd expressed doubts around him early that would justify her action (along with him not really being TR) and just take the mislynch.

and I thought that trying to keep the thread civil in 389 civil is townleanable. I don't see why scum bothers to correct toxic behaviour/conflict when that's likely to lead to increased apathy which I think typically benefits scum.

then 416 is something that makes sense to me aka lynching the fucking fake mason claim and I still swear to god I have no idea why everyone has been acting like fake claims aren't scum indicative AT A MINIMUM. so datisi getting on here jives with my thought process and cements her as one of the people actually acting rationally D1

also think 517 is incredibly town both in content (" dude, we were just in a game (Mini Normal 2095) where two slots who were arguably acting the most anti-Town like were the goddamn scumteam") and in tone ("I'm just fucking done losing Town games from scum who spends the whole game doing the most anti-Town things imaginable for the Town to then go "haha personality yep they're Town™!""). I believe in making decisions based on the particular game you're in. I think that just universally making decisions based on 'truths' about the game (VCA comes to mind as a common fuckup area, as does overreliance on meta reads -- I hate the phrase, "outside X's scumrange") is a bad move that loses some games. but guess what? those general tells (anti-town behaviour) are scum indicative because a lot of the time they come from scum! I like how pissed off about this she is, because it mirrors my own irritation. I feel like I've been fighting an uphill battle that somewhere along the line is getting misled by scum who know perfectly well that dong is scum but are pushing the TSTBS narrative to keep him out of the lynch pool. the fact that datisi is taking a stand on that with me is another thing that makes her town. it's like an attitude mind meld.

also, just look at dong's progression on her: I think she's making valid points in 518 where she talks about him TRing her to his move onto her as scum once she sees through his BS and votes him (by 528 -- and surprise surprise, there's a misrep involved. he says that he's not been ignoring her when she had to answer a question three times to get an answer, that generally qualifies as ignoring in my book). also, I think dong's kinda perspective slipping in 521 regarding dats. he says "don't fool yourself into thinking that" -- I think that sounds like someone who knows that they're believing something in a genuine way, i.e. her believing dong was ignoring her. which then turns into "I'm pretty sure its menal/datisi by this point" in 523 despite there being no other content from datisi in-between the two posts, only klick voting him in 522, which is prob pressure for him to produce content when he hasn't had the time to fully lay the groundwork, only to hint at it (in 521 "your content has been inoffensive for the most part, i have to say that upon closer inspection they dont appear to be to good. I'll make a post detailing my thought process on this.")

and that's it. that's my datisi towncase."

[Menalque]

none of those post links will work btw, soz

[Datisi]

ohhhh boy that's a lot of text
yeah the links are broken and please don't copy them into the main thread lmao

while i read it can you look over 657?

[Datisi]

btw how do town members usually... respond to other people towncasing them?? like i generally ignore both town and scumcases on me unless there's a question

[Menalque]

btw how do town members usually... respond to other people towncasing them?? like i generally ignore both town and scumcases on me unless there's a question

lol I have no idea

you TR me so probably just roll with it then be paranoid of me tomorrow

you could probably also just partly TR me for the effort tbh

[Menalque]

657 looks good to me

[Datisi]

okay still reading through the case

tho i think i should post the thing first? Like idk i haven't posted in a while but nothngs fking going on

[Menalque]

hmmm

I wonder if we could pedit the posting

like I post mine and then you pedit yours with something like "holy shit batman" or something

[Datisi]

slightly after I like that she's worrying about whether I could be scum with chem in 277. I think she's still wondering here about me, dong, and chem.

okay what is this? 277 is not my post?

and that would be kinda funny ngl. let's wait a bit until we get this thing sorted out

[Datisi]

posts 318 and 385 are following up on not having answers from dong.

385 ain't my post either?

[Menalque]

slightly after I like that she's worrying about whether I could be scum with chem in 277. I think she's still wondering here about me, dong, and chem.

okay what is this? 277 is not my post?

and that would be kinda funny ngl. let's wait a bit until we get this thing sorted out

286, my bad

[Menalque]

and 355

[Datisi]

shit, you almost convinced me i'm town

also "dats" is the cutest nickname i have ever heard thank you

if you wanna do the "pedit: ohhhh boy that's a lot of text" thing I'm down (tbh i think i'm just gonna copy-paste the thing i wrote in the PT when i saw your post because AuThEnCiTy)

[Datisi]

tho maybe we should check the numbers again? just in case

[Datisi]

then it makes sense why it's bella's posts in-between 170 and 226 from dats are posts that would make her revise that read.

170 ain't mine

[Menalque]

170 is intentional aha, I meant from her 170 to your 226