Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Robbnva]

Town Tchill should be suspicious of havo for that post if his push on pm was a ploy to draw scum out but doesn’t.

The question is why?

[Robbnva]

yes you caught havo/tchill on what is a gross misplay of scum.

pat yourself on the back robb.

Ignoring the question which are completely valid just makes you look guilty.

[Robbnva]

I just don’t understand why he holds 100% town read on havo but havo fell for his trap.

[Robbnva]

Unless he’s buddying havo. That could be I guess

[Robbnva]

i wanted to see if anyone would take that train of thought and run with it.

Him pointing out that PM had no interest in Vorks reaction on Day 2 is quite telling.

How are you gonna be a friendly neighbor and your first action is on Vork and you show zero interest in Vorks play the day after you message him?

I’m not saying PM is scum, but his play day 2 after sending the message makes no sense.

I will delve into this heavy tomorrow night when I have plenty of time.

Havo’s last game related posts is havo agreeing with Tchill and starting to run with it. Then he leaves and says he’ll come back later.

We now have no idea what havo would have done actually but he leaves doubting PMs alignment and agreeing with Tchill.

This at the very least should give Tchill some doubt IF he’s telling the truth.


Yet Tchill holds havo at 100%

Why?

[Robbnva]

I don’t know your scum game.

I’m trying to analyze your play this game and I’m struggling to see how it’s town. You should be at least be mildly scum reading havo right now. Because of your fake push havo shifted his read on PM.

Sure you can say he didn’t push him but he threw shade and then left. That’s still accomplished what you were supposedly looking for but you don’t waiver.

That isn’t town thinking

[Robbnva]

Or you/Tchill are scum together

One is scum and pocketing the other

I’m not frustrated actually. My job is easier now cause I know you guys can’t both be town.

[Robbnva]

Have fun on “date night”

Which I totally don’t believe btw. You’re ignoring questions you clearly can’t provide answers for so you go lurk some more and cast baseless accusations.

Town havo plays better than this.

[Robbnva]

Provide reasons why I’m scum. Make a case. I’ve provided reasons why you are. Gave you the chance to explain in case I’m wrong. You refuse to/ignore them so what am I supposed to believe?

[Robbnva]

This is frustrated scum. Tchill and Havo can read each other and it’s driving scum Robb insane.

Also that post is to show how Tchill is lying. Nice misrep

[Robbnva]

You’ve been a borderline lurker all game. I haven’t. I didn’t let my surgery stop me from playing the game. You’ve barely been playing the game this entire time.

There’s clearly differences. Had you been more active this wouldn’t be an issue. When you intentionally ignore questions, you lose credibility. I don’t need you to answer them now. My mind is made up. You’re scum.

[Robbnva]

I’m not scum so can’t buss

[Robbnva]

I personally think havo waited to out his 2nd result so he could pick a vt easier. Can’t fake claim MD and name somebody who actually did something.

No, I waited to see what you were gonna claim.

And to no real surprise you refused to claim at all.

Yes, you waited to claim until you knew you could find a safe target. If you were legit you would have claimed your target when you claimed the first one. No reason not to.

[Robbnva]

He’s now ZERO for 4 on scum finding,

Really going to bring this up? You’re 0-6. Literally everyone you’ve voted or called scum has flipped town or is town.

[Robbnva]

This is called Scum hunting Robb, ya know, the thing you accuse me of Not doing

That’s not scum hunting but nice try.

Btw your strategy sucks. scum who intentionally lurk are lazy

[Robbnva]

And if I’m wrong and you are actually town, that’s even worse. I’d never expect you to turn to lurking.

[Robbnva]

I personally think havo waited to out his 2nd result so he could pick a vt easier. Can’t fake claim MD and name somebody who actually did something.

No, I waited to see what you were gonna claim.

And to no real surprise you refused to claim at all.

Yes, you waited to claim until you knew you could find a safe target. If you were legit you would have claimed your target when you claimed the first one. No reason not to.

This is hilarious coming from the guy who refused to claim in Possibly LyLo.

Why? I’m fundamentally against mass claims. Are you? No cause you claimed but did so in a shady way.

[Robbnva]

And if I’m wrong and you are actually town, that’s even worse. I’d never expect you to turn to lurking.

Well I haven’t lurked. I haven’t been very active I admit. But I haven’t been lurking.

And I’ve never lurked as scum.

Yes you have actually

[Robbnva]

I’ve said my piece. I’m content with this game.

Just waiting now to see now who Luca, PM and Skitter want to vote.

So just going to sheep the actual townies? lol

If you are town, skitter or pm is fake. Why are you willing to sheep them both?

VOTE: havo

No way this flips town.

[Robbnva]

so explain why youd like to lynch havo today?

Because he’s the scum that’s obvious.

[Robbnva]

a tchill town flip means robb has to push havo/flubb as scum and it rules out havo/tchill which does imo make havo less likely to be scum.

because havo/robb has been practically ruled out.

you'd then push havo as the 1st lynch.

a havo town flip doesnt make tchilll any less likely to be scum.

of course you'd have to present the idea that im scum with flub. youd just yell ive distanced from flub the entire game.

its much better for scum if havo is lynched instead of me today since im a much better mislynch candidate.

obviously robb had not thought this far ahead because his tune didnt change until i pointed out my town flip pretty much auto wins this game for town.

he immediately went from tchill/havo scum team to one is pocketing the other.

he realized he has to be able to mislynch one of us after the other flips town.

I’ve actually you/havo as a team. I’m definitely not discounting I’m wrong. If I was scum the easier route for me to win is push you. I’m pretty much committing suicide with my havo push. Everyone could come in and see it as scummy and lynch me instead but I don’t give a shit. I’m voting who is most likely to flip scum.

Based on the crowd, you are the person more people want to be lynched.

Why don’t you take that into consideration if you are actually town?

The truth is, you and havo came in completely close minded. You aren’t considering every possibility. To say somebody is town without a reason is scum who thinks they have the game won as long as you and that person aren’t lynched.

I came in here with a clean slate which is what you should do in lylo/mylo (if we are even there).

Neither of you have a reason to think I’m scum outside of self preservation.

[Robbnva]

why dont you lynch me instead?

Cause I’m not as confident about you

[Robbnva]

man i guess robb got busy irl...

Fuck off asshole. I was typing

[Robbnva]

ok lynch me 1st.

I don’t compromise. I’m not voting anyone but havo

[Robbnva]

if havo flips town who's scum robb?

i guess flubb is right?

Skitter/flub/you. I won’t come in with an agenda like you did.

[Robbnva]

you were pretty hard on me as scum for quite a while.

I still think you could be. Havo has pretty much exposed himself as scum to me so why would I vote elsewhere?

The moment he said I’m scum cause I was 0-3 and he’s 0-6 just shows he’s pushing a scum agenda not a town one.

He lurked and kept his hands clean and now blaming me for it. That’s scum motivated not town

And if you don’t see it as that, then you confirm you are his partner

[Robbnva]

why isnt skitter conftown to you robb? 1st time ive heard of skitter suspicion from you.

Nobody is conf town

[Robbnva]

i dont see it as that.

So you are partners. Good to know

[Robbnva]

now lynch me

No. I’m not voting anyone but havo. Go suck it

[Robbnva]

Idk. Maybe so you can make that statement?

[Robbnva]

Sorry you’re either scum or narrow minded.

You know me as a player. You know I always vote who I think is scum. You know I don’t usually change my mind.

So to say that you fail to see a reason is horseshit.

I’m voting havo cause he has basically confirmed he’s scum to me. I can’t in good faith play honestly if i vote anyone else but havo.

You can try and manipulate that however you want but I have no hidden agenda.

[Robbnva]

How did I prove your point if I am voting somebody I know is scum?

[Robbnva]

Tchill, you vote flubber but do very little to convince people to vote Flubber. Why is that?

[Robbnva]

whats the scum motivation for being on havos scum team and demanding that im lynched 1st?

This is actually the 2nd time you’ve used this sort of defense.

Earlier you did it after your push on PM. You said as scum it would be stupid to do that.

See you can’t give yourself town credit for things like that. You can’t do things and then say “see I must be town cause scum would never do that”.

Others have to give you that towncred.

I have to make that decision
Skitter, Luca,pm, flubber, havo (whoever is town) have to say that about you.

Declaring it yourself just makes it look like it was part of your plan

[Robbnva]

then lynch me 1st.

pretty shitty scum defense plan when i flip town.

What part of I’m already voting the person I know 100% is scum don’t you get?

If others want you lynched, that’s up to them but I’m not changing my vote

[Robbnva]

i expect the ppl i play with to be able to come to this conclusion but obviously i cant count on that.

If you’re town it shouldn’t matter. You shouldn’t need to rely on tricks to convince people.

[Robbnva]

No point in arguing with you anymore.

[Robbnva]

a tchill mislynch is achievable after a havo mislynch.

Last point I forgot to make. This is completely wrong anyway. If I’m wrong about havo I’m not trying to lynch you tomorrow.

You really should pay attention before you make up conspiracy theories. I’m already on record saying that one of the PR claims is fake so if somehow havo flips town, I have to figure out the skitter/pm situation, which means it’s most likely skitter.

[Robbnva]

Wait. You don’t town read Tchill? According to him he’s done stuff that scum wouldn’t do. So we should town read him for it.

[Robbnva]

It was sarcasm lol

[Robbnva]

Is it too much to expect havo and Tchill to actually provide something more than “I can read him”?

I want Tchill to explain what things havo have done THIS GAME that warrants such a strong town read.

I’d love the same from Havo about Tchill


Lastly. @tchill - you were basically hard defending me yesterday, I’d even say you were trying to buddy me, what caused the 180?

[Robbnva]

I would be fine with this, if only you would give me cred on my Tchill read when I flipped town.

Explain why you have a town read on him please. What game stuff has he done?

[Robbnva]

Because I can read him. And no there’s nothing specific I can point too to convince you he’s town. Just my experience from playing with him.

When the game outcome is at stake, you need more than this havo

[Robbnva]

But I’m not scum. If you don’t want to do it for me, do it for your everyone else. Nobody is going to trust your read if you can’t even explain how you have it.

[Robbnva]

The Only way town loses here is if town lynches TOWN, Havo or Tchill, then stupidly lynches the other one the next day.

This means you know there's two scum?

Good catch.

He isn’t even considering 3

[Robbnva]

Havo why aren’t you voting me? You seem convinced I’m scum.

Why are you not voting anyone for that matter?

I have my theory but I’d love to hear you explain it.

[Robbnva]

instead of being teammates.

Except I’m working under the assumption you’re teammates. There’s a chance you’re not but the evidence suggests you are.

Still lying i see

[Robbnva]

I’ve actually you/havo as a team

I already pointed this out to you before so the fact you haven’t revised your statement shows very clearly what alignment you are.

[Robbnva]

I personally would like me or flub to be the lynch today and if im the lynch then lynch flub the next day phase.

then lynch robb the day phase after that.

idc if im lynched anymore. should win town the game.

flubb scum flip wins town the game also.

I’m scum but you don’t want to lynch me until flub?

[Robbnva]

lynch me 1st robb.

Statistically, town improves chances of winning by sorting the PRs first.

We lynch you or flub and one of you flip VT, we still don’t know which PR is scum or not. Still don’t know which VTs left are scum.

We lynch havo/skitter - it flips town, we have guaranteed scum lynch tomorrow.


If you are somehow town, get your head out of your ass already

[Robbnva]

now vote me.

No

[Robbnva]

Voting me after I call you out for it doesn’t clear you. You should have voted me already

[Robbnva]

cus hes town.

Y tho

If you explained later give me a few minutes, i'm like five pages behind

He said because havo crumbed he’s town.
Same reason why he town reads you.

[Robbnva]

robb however is shading the claims

Cause town doesn’t have 4 PRs in this setup

[Robbnva]

robb however is shading the claims

Cause town doesn’t have 4 PRs in this setup

y not?

Since you like looking at historical data. Finding 11p is hard but here.

3 Pr- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64070

1 Pr - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31030


Go find me an 11P with 4 Prs and I’ll change my havo push

[Robbnva]

robb however is shading the claims

Cause town doesn’t have 4 PRs in this setup

y not?

4 out of 9 townies are PRs.

2 scum with good PRs.

doesnt seem crazy to me.

You barely get 13P with 4 town roles.

[Robbnva]

I’ve gone through the review process.

4PRs for a 13 and balanced is tough. 4 in 11 is impossible

[Robbnva]

3PRs - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=79138

[Robbnva]

It’s very clear thill/havo are the scum.

[Robbnva]

Um

Um what?

[Robbnva]

Also if you think it's havo/tchill why the fuck are you voting havo when tchill and flubb are crossvoting and from your pov that pair must contain one scum

Keep reading. I’ve explained

[Robbnva]

I’m voting havo cause he has basically confirmed he’s scum to me.

I'm confused by this part

He’s sat back not pushing anyone and then blames me for being 0-3

He voted the same people as me. Everyone he has called scum (6 including me) are all town. He can’t say I’m scum for being wrong when he’s been more wrong.


That’s literally his only real argument against me. That’s not a town push so to me he’s confirmed scum

[Robbnva]

I have to figure out the skitter/pm situation, which means it’s most likely skitter.

How the fuck do you have me or pm as scum here ?

If havo is town, you or pm is scum. It can’t be pm in any scenario. So it’s you

[Robbnva]

There aren’t 4 town PRs this game

I provided links to 3 games that support that. Feel free to find an 11P with 4 PRs

[Robbnva]

Obviously you missed the links where I’ve basically shown 0% town has 4 PRs in 11P game.

If you want us to believe havo is town MD cause you only found 1 scum game, why are you ignoring a 100% result?

Doesn’t make sense. So if havo is town, skitter absolutely is scum.

Until you find more than 1 11P with 4 PRs, you have to accept it as fact OR you have to drop your stupid percentage

[Robbnva]

motion detector was town aligned 4/5 games luca looked up.

havo has an 80 percent chance to be town here.

only reason i believe skitter is town is because his claim and crumbs.

This game has 100% of no 4 PRs.

So now Tchill. Who’s the fake one?

[Robbnva]

so robb should be pushing skitter here, not havo, if his issue is the claims and PR's.

When I look at the play of both players, skitter is hands down townier than havo.

[Robbnva]

1 shot jk could be a neg utility pretty easily.

motion detector could cause more confusion than its worth.

theres 4 prs. sheesh.

So you’re ignoring percentages when it’s convenient?

[Robbnva]

Forget 2. Find 1 11P with 4 PRs

[Robbnva]

That doesn’t explain why you’re not voting me

[Robbnva]

Why don’t You and Tchill want to convince people to vote me?

Why take the easy route?

[Robbnva]

Havo I just essentially proved from your POV skitter is scum. Why not react to that?

[Robbnva]

Why not react to that?

Because just cause you say there is only one possibility, doesn’t mean you’re right. Both of those are equally possible setups. Based on gameplay, havo clearly is scum

[Robbnva]

setup setup setup!!!! one has to be scum"

Yes. One of them is scum. I’m fairly positive based on historical data which you believe in yourself since based on historical data in your opinion he’s 80% likely to be town.


You can’t discredit one and accept the other.

[Robbnva]

Why don’t You and Tchill want to convince people to vote me?

Why take the easy route?

why are you even suggesting others change their vote when you refuse to move your vote you

giant hypocrite

That’s not being a hypocrite.

[Robbnva]

robb is already pushing both of us, as a team or as pocketing the other, he keeps changing it.

Haven’t changed anything.

[Robbnva]

as a player I pull from all available data. Y’all wanted the mass claim, not me. I can’t just ignore the info now it’s out.

I’ve been the only one saying one pr is fake. Based on the mass claim, I can rationalize that 4 PRs doesn’t make sense.

So then I have to decide based on gameplay which one looks like scum.

You do know how to play mafia. Idk why you’re trying to imply doing the rational thing isn’t scummy.

[Robbnva]

robb do you think flubb is scum? he hasnt done much at all to catch scum. even less than vork. if one of skitter/havo is scum why cant flubb be a possible teammate?

No. I think you/havo are scum. I considered everyone but your and his play today refusing to explain your reads really showed me that you aren’t trying to solve the game.

[Robbnva]

Classic scum tactic is to blame the person responsible for the miskynch, and never look at the others who allowed it to go through.

Classic scum tactic - lie low and let town kill themselves and come in at the end for victory

Both of those havo is guilty of. That’s 100% fact. Not even you can Dispute it

[Robbnva]

hmm thats crazy. if havo flips town then skitter is scum right?

skitter has TR'd flubb based on meta alone.

so you refuse to even suggest a possible skitter/flubb team. (im using your logic here)

I was actually thinking skitter/Luca first and then skitter/flubber but once you and havo exposes yourself as scum, I knew those scenarios are less likely.

I have seriously considered every possible pairing. I’m playing to win. If you want me to believe you’re town, please tell me why the fuck are you not?

[Robbnva]

this isnt an explanation as to why you TR'd me

Pretty sure you don’t get to ask him to explain, when you have refused to explain your havo town read.

“He crumbed” isn’t an explanation

[Robbnva]

never shared that with the class.

So?

[Robbnva]

big brother sticking up for the scummate that doesnt know to play the game.

So you can call me a hypocrite and it’s fine. I call you one and you twist it?

lol

[Robbnva]

never seen havo call pm scum

Are you really hanging your hat on semantics?

[Robbnva]

Havo didn’t call pm scum but he absolutely backed off and was considering him as scum.

Why?

Cause tchill’s “push”.

You got somebody to slip yet you ignore it when you wanted somebody to slip.

[Robbnva]

That means havo must be your partner.

[Robbnva]

id like to know why luca, pm and robb TR flub independent of the rest of the game.

Not sure what you mean by the “independent of the rest of the game”

Flubber/pm/havo have been on my shit list most of the game for their lurking. Pm is now essentially town. Flubber and havo were the two ? And based on havo’s play this day phase, he made himself obvious as scum. I’ve basically explained this already so not sure why you’ve asked again.

Flubber still hasn’t done anything, havo hasn’t really but the stuff he has today can only come from scum


Absolutely refusing to explain his reads
No attempt at game solving
Riding my coat tails and then blaming me for being wrong.

[Robbnva]

Tchill. You were town reading me day 2. The first time you called me scum was day 3 after I called you/havo possible scum.

Outside of omgus. What caused your 180 on me?

[Robbnva]

I mean you’re pushing Tchill so I guess I was incorrect but at this point everyone is pushing somebody.

[Robbnva]

My biggest fear is I’m wrong about Tchill and/or havo and we lose because they were too stubborn
M

[Robbnva]

I know all about being stubborn. I’m one of the most stubborn but the game potentially hangs in the balance and neither can explain why the other is town based on gameplay.

[Robbnva]

Robb, here is proof that an 11p mini normal can have 4 Town pr’s:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68345

Interesting to note that this game contained a Mafia Rolecop + Mafia traitor...

ah, ok so I am incorrect and there is a chance that there can be 4

UNVOTE:

[Robbnva]

i was under the impression 4 was impossible. Given it is possible, I obviously can't say that anymore.

[Robbnva]

I claimed.

My theory was 4 isn’t possible so one of havo/skitter is guaranteed scum.

4 is possible though still unlikely.

I’ll probably still end up voting havo.

[Robbnva]

I am pretty sure I have seen two shot joats before. I can go check since I am on a computer now

[Robbnva]

found at least 2 games where JOAT only had 2 roles. There are unfortunately a bunch of JOAT roles where their abilities are not listed in the archive page and didn't really feel like clicking each one. so 2 is possible. as for one shot cop/visitor, honestly don't know.

[Robbnva]

I just skimmed her iso, she doesn't really mention you until day 2 where she says you are townie.

[Robbnva]

Oh good find, let me look over that game

[Robbnva]

"Why would Scum Tchill and Havo do the things they’ve done? None of the night kills make sense."

Spoiler:

[Robbnva]

So scum Havo and Tchill basically hard town read each other all game?

[Robbnva]

shit that quote was from havo - viewtopic.php?p=10158987#p10158987

this game actually proves they can be very manipulative as scum. They have no issues fake claiming PRs either.

[Robbnva]

The Only way town loses here is if town lynches TOWN, Havo or Tchill, then stupidly lynches the other one the next day.

So one of you/skitter is scum. You didn’t really want to do it yesterday when you should so now you get another chance. Why should I town read you?

[Robbnva]

Yo.

Havo what did you do last night?

I'm at 2/3 of flub, havo, and robb

Why should I town read you over havo?

[Robbnva]

Townies should town read me because I,

Crumbed my role right from the start

No

[Robbnva]

Targeted players that made sense.

No you didn’t and you hid one result until after the claims which makes it easier to fake

[Robbnva]

Refused to lynch Tchill because I Hard town read him.

You wouldn’t explain why. Scum havo could do this.

Where was your best scum hunting effort? Show me your best case you made on somebody

[Robbnva]

Robb you have to understand I HARD scum read you. So don’t get all bent out of shape if I don’t cater to your requests

If you are scum you have to

If you are town you refused to explain why. You said it’s cause I was 0-3

If being wrong is a scummy, you’re 0-6

[Robbnva]

Targeted players that made sense.

No you didn’t and you hid one result until after the claims which makes it easier to fake

Yes I did. And the reason I didn’t reveal is completely legit.

No it isn’t.

[Robbnva]

Refused to lynch Tchill because I Hard town read him.

You wouldn’t explain why. Scum havo could do this.

Where was your best scum hunting effort? Show me your best case you made on somebody

No. Show me where you have found a hint of scum. Just a hint.

I asked you first

I did more scum hunting than anyone. Just cause I was wrong doesn’t mean I’m scum. I explained all my reasons for why I scum read people. I didn’t refuse to explain things.

If that makes me scum from your eyes than you aren’t playing to win or you’re scum

[Robbnva]

VOTE: havo

[Robbnva]

VOTE: havo

Scum confirmation here.

Voting in LyLo before everyone has checked in. Lol.

I know who scum is. I don’t need anyone else to check in.

My POV was 3 people. You refused to convince me you’re town. I see nothing in your entire iso that makes me think you’ve tried to help us find scum.

If this means I’m lynched and we lose I’ll deal with it but you’re scum.

[Robbnva]

That’s the 2nd scum tell you’ve invented btw.

Being wrong isn’t a scum tell
Voting in lylo when you know the scum isn’t either

Nice try

[Robbnva]

I assume flubber wont bus.

So skitter/pm have to decide what they are going to do

[Robbnva]

I don’t need to wait for others to see which way they are voting. It was down to 2 people.

Tbh if you were town you wouldn’t have quoted that post from the previous day. You’re relying on fear to sway people

[Robbnva]

Because in what universe am i scum here, pray tell?

3 people left it could be. It’s obviously a two man scum team and I came in wanting to sort everyone fairly. Havo is scum or essentially game threw cause he still won’t explain anything.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: havo

What's with the lolvoting in lylo

It’s not lol voting. From my POV I know who scum is.

It’s not PM. It’s definitely flubber.

Last one was you/havo and havo showed he has no interest in being a team player so he’s obviously not town

[Robbnva]

I mean it's still kinda hard to believe that there are 4 town prs

That’s because there isn’t 4

[Robbnva]

Or at least, again, i believe the md, i'm not sold it's a town!md tho

But havo crumbed in his first post. According to him he should be considered town.

[Robbnva]

So talk to him about that. He explained why he’s supposed to be town.

[Robbnva]

So don’t get all bent out of shape if I don’t cater to your requests.

This is a horrible attitude to have btw. You shouldn’t do this because I asked you too. You should do it cause if you are town, you need to convince the other townies that you are town.

[Robbnva]

Flub/Robb is the scumz.

How can you rule out skitter?

[Robbnva]

What if it’s flubber/skitter?

[Robbnva]

^@havo

[Robbnva]

Maybe you're just scum

Why? Cause I’m considering every possibility? Every player should.

[Robbnva]

It’s lylo. Nobody is clear unless they are cleared. PM is the only clear.

From my POV one of you/havo is scum.

Havo if town shouldn’t be ruling you out just because you claimed a PR

You if town shouldn’t be ruling out havo just cause he claimed one.

Flubber is in the same boat as me if he’s town (which he isn’t cause you/havo can’t both be scum)

[Robbnva]

So you ask the person you're voting what they think about me/flub?
That makes loads of sense

It does. If I’m wrong and he’s town, I need to know how he excluded you as scum

[Robbnva]

You should be asking him that also. From his POV if he’s town you should be a suspect for him

[Robbnva]

Do you people even know how to lylo?

[Robbnva]

Only one clear. Everyone else is a suspect. If you clear somebody, explain how.

Havo should explain how he cleared you as possible scum.

[Robbnva]

I cleared skitter cause for two day phases havo has refused to explain his scum and town reads.

[Robbnva]

Because I was on Robb last nite.

?

I was on Robb the nite before.

Can’t keep your lies straight?

[Robbnva]

Robb if I’m scum who’s my team mate?

Flubber

[Robbnva]

And you haven’t explained shit.

No idea why you town read Tchill
No idea why you really scum read me
No idea how you clear skitter

[Robbnva]

Is anyone here townreading flubbs?

I don’t only cause I don’t think you/havo are a team so havo/flub or you/flub

[Robbnva]

A) i shouldnt be in your lynchpool
B) so why the fuck are you voting havo over robb?

You aren’t anymore. You were coming in because that’s what you do in lylo. Nobody is clear unless they are clear.
Pm is the only clear.


Why havo over flubber? Cause why not. I really wanted to believe I was just wrong about havo. Havo twice as evaded my questions. He can’t articulate why I’m scum. Go look yesterday. He said I’m scum cause I was 0-3 and that’s all he said. Town havo should be able to articulate something more. He can’t even use me being wrong cause he didn’t push anyone. He hasn’t made a case for anyone.

Can anyone point to a single thing havo has done that’s been useful?

[Robbnva]

He can’t even keep his lie straight. He said he targeted me last night

[Robbnva]

Well I can’t control that. I vote who I want, not who others want me to.

[Robbnva]

Havo wants to wait and feel everyone out first.

[Robbnva]

Yeah. Robb is scum.

Who the hell votes in LyLo that quick?

Me. I’ve done it before.

Come up with something better.

[Robbnva]

This is middle school level thinking. You don’t vote in LyLo until everyone has discussed what’s going on. Period.

Wrong.

[Robbnva]

You refuse to mass claim. You vote early in LyLo. You keep spouting the same garbage relentlessly.

This is typical rob. You even said earlier I was typical rob. That means I’m town

[Robbnva]

Why would Skitter town clear Luca?

Mafia 101 if you fake claim a result, do it on actual town.

[Robbnva]

Didnt you wait to claim your result n2 until after robb claimed vt ?

Yes.

Why?

[Robbnva]

Didnt you wait to claim your result n2 until after robb claimed vt ?

Yes.

Why?

Because I wanted to see if you would claim a role. That’s why.

Even if I had a role, I could have still not moved. There are one shot, even/odd night modifiers.

That’s not a good enough reason to not put it.

[Robbnva]

If I’m scum, I could have easily claimed Flub had motion last nite.

Or Robb for that matter.

But I gave my No Motion results on both of them.

I don’t think anyone would buy your result In lylo

[Robbnva]

@flubber - what are your thoughts on havo v skitter.

Who do you think is scum out of the two?

[Robbnva]

I’m done arguing with havo. It’s not going anywhere.

Until he gives me what I’ve asked for , I can only assume he’s scum.

[Robbnva]

I’ve extended the olive branch. You’ve ignored it.

The olive branch is you explaining why you town read Tchill. Why you scum read me.

“I can read him” isn’t satisfactory

“You’re 0-3” isn’t either.

I’ve tried two fucking day phases and you’re being stubborn as fuck or scum.

UNVOTE:

If you don’t answer these two things using gameplay by tomorrow morning I’m voting you again.

There’s my olive branch

[Robbnva]

I can read Tchill and Robb both very well after a couple of days.

You can never read me.

[Robbnva]

The last game we played you called me scum iirc. I faked claimed a guilty on you cause I thought you were scum


Have you ever correctly read me?

[Robbnva]

That’s a lie. You almost never read me correctly

[Robbnva]

Only time we ever have issues is when you Death tunnel me, then you just say, oh well, it’s how you play.

It’s cause I almost always catch you but nobody listens.

[Robbnva]

Tchill isn’t a good player.

You begged us not to lynch him but couldn’t explain why....

[Robbnva]

I still don’t know what Tchill did this game to warrant a town read from you.

What did he do?

[Robbnva]

I wasn’t the only one who didn’t see it though.

What did we all miss?

[Robbnva]

I’m out for the nite.

So you’re not going to explain why Tchill is town and why I’m scum?

[Robbnva]

I scanned Nom nite 1, I detected motion and he wound up the nite kill.

You said your targets made sense.

Why did you think nom was a good target? Why not PM or another lurker?

[Robbnva]

Skitter. Did you ever explain why you chose Luca?

[Robbnva]

Robb, I'm skeptical about, because he did go against the idea of a mass claim, and he got pretty defensive when the mass claim happened. My heart is saying Robb, but I'm not holding out hope on that.

It's because I am fundamentally against mass claims

[Robbnva]

Havo can confirm (but probably won't) but back when we played on GLB, people would get lynched for suggesting mass claims. When I play on this other site, they often have games where you aren't even allowed to claim.

[Robbnva]

off topic - @Havo - Spinoda pixar mafia on FE. go sign up

[Robbnva]

I’m not playing for favor points though.

[Robbnva]

Havo can tell you (probably won’t). I’m a very angry person when it comes to mafia.

[Robbnva]

I still dont know what the fuck the point of loyal visitor is. I guess to interact with you somehow.

I think it functionally makes PM a cop

Which is SUPER fucking overpowered in this context though

how does it make pm a cop? He can only tell people he is town, he doesn't know if the people he is telling is town

[Robbnva]

Thought it was loyal friendly neighbor in skitter's post ifu

oh ok

[Robbnva]

I thought friendly neighbor put you in a pf

[Robbnva]

Isn't their a role that can neighbor people? That is what i thought FN was

[Robbnva]

yeah I figured that out when Luca said that PM was town, I am just trying to figure out what role I confused Fn with. Maybe that is just called neighborizer? idk don't mind me just thinking out loud.

[Robbnva]

Havo- Motion Detector- Visited nom n1 (got motion), visited Robb n2 (no motion), visited Robb n3 (no motion)

havo said he visited flubber last night. He later said he visited me so I don't know who he really visited

[Robbnva]

VOTE: Flubber

[Robbnva]

Thanks for modding and backup modding

[Robbnva]

GG scums, town killed themselves

What was the information?

There was a motion detector

[Robbnva]

We knew havo was MD from the open

[Robbnva]

No hard feelings guys.

[Robbnva]

I’m afraid to click the dead thread

[Robbnva]

It was definitely a mistake though. From your POV Robb was confirmed scum so there was no reason to vote elsewhere.

How was I confirmed scum?

[Robbnva]

@azure - I don’t remember you so it wasn’t any grudge thing.

[Robbnva]

If you knew who i was it would.

who are you?

[Robbnva]

ugly
gg wp

Prolly should've crumbed that I received a friendly neighbor tap....

[Robbnva]

havo i thought played fine.

Definitely not. As town I’d be pissed at him for his play.

[Robbnva]

Its not about being right. When a town player absolutely refuses to explain why he has the reads he has, he’s doing more harm than good.

The reason why I can play scum good is because so many shitty townies do things they shouldn’t. Most of these things I hold as scum tells because why would town do those things?

Havo was right about me when there wasn’t many options left. It’s not like he caught me. He just assumed if I’m pushing him, I’m scum

[Robbnva]

The sad thing is I genuinely scum read these people. I wish I didn’t idk how to stop

[Robbnva]

I hope things get better soon <3