Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[schadd_]

VC 3.4

TemporalLich (1):

mastina

mastina (1):

Sujimichi

Elbirn (1):

TemporalLich

Not voting: Adorable, Chemist1422, Menalque, Elbirn, jjh927, eth0s

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2019-10-20 14:20:00) or when a lynch is reached.

prodding menalque

[Elbirn]

Uhmm uhhhh fuck

VOTE: JJH

[jjh927]

No

VOTE: Elbirn

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

LET'S PLAY A GAME

consider TL/Mastina/JJH to all only require 4 votes to lynch, as I am quick hammering whichever one of them hits L-1 first. I will never vote anyone outside of those three today. Good luck have fun

[jjh927]

You just voted the least likely of your 3 options to be lynched today

[Elbirn]

You just voted the least likely of your 3 options to be lynched today

I sure did!

[jjh927]

Except it looked to me like you were trying to act like this was panic induced by the looming deadline, which it can't be

[jjh927]

Come at me

We have well over 24 hours and I'd like to see you have a go at me without piggybacking on other people's general suspicions of me

[Menalque]

hi, was taking a couple of days off site but just received a prod

Will be around properly later to catch up

[Elbirn]

Except it looked to me like you were trying to act like this was panic induced by the looming deadline, which it can't be

Ah yes I forgot that you live in my head and therefore perfectly know what I must be thinking about this game state with only a bit more than 24 hours left in the day and no consensus

[eth0s]

Fuck why did your scumgame have to be good now I have to think again

the one with fugitive?

Yeah rainforest
Is that an anomaly?

Damn I think I found the game which explains why we went about the two lynches so differently

What game?

Newbie 1844

I dont have many scum games and that was the first one since I came back

[eth0s]

Came back to the site after not playing for about a year I mean

[eth0s]

I'm not sure how mastina is scum other than "mastina is possibly a deepwolf so we have to be paranoid"

did you even read my jjh&mastina case

no

okay

1916

Read it and tell me your thoughts or else I am seeing this through.
VOTE: elements
I've given you the benefit of the doubt when I really don't have to so I don't think it's fair for you to try and shoot down my cases when you don't even fucking read them

Who were you actually trying to vote here

Ugh, TL. Although that's pretty obvious from the post no?

TL, Elbirn, Elements, and earlier EP have all had their names scrambled in my head during this game. Mastina and Korina as well.

[eth0s]

The inventor is clearly not supposed to increase scum power or he wouldn't have given all his abilities to Chemist

I honestly want to comment on this one but it's gonna start a whole stupid argument that I don't want to get into so how about someone else tells me what's wrong with this post

I tried to analyze this before but my brain broke and I stopped caring

Tldr theres some weird circular logic here where JJ is assuming the intent of the setup design is such that a hypothetical scum inventor is supposed to power up town based on what TL chose to do with the role, but that doesnt logically follow and assumes the alignments of two players as a reason for one of those two being scum

If that made any sense which it didnt

If I were a bad person I'd also throw out some pedantic shit about how "oh he KNOWS chemist is town based on that post" but I'm not so I won't. But I feel like that might be the point you wanted made so there

I think I know what you're saying and while I hadn't independently thought of that logic I did feel that jjh's post did not feel genuine and even if it was I dont feel inclined to agree with him due to his setup spec so far. I know I'm beating a dead horse but I feel like that topic has been overlooked by many still.

I was mainly looking for someone to be a bad person and point out the pedantic shit though. I wonder if your phrasing in that regard has anything to do with the fact that both you and jjh have seemed to TMI on a town!chemist this game?...

[eth0s]

Btw starting in a couple hours I will very likely be unavailable until the deadline or close to it.

Pretty confident that jjh flips red here and this will likely be my vote for the remainder of the phase.

VOTE: jjh

[Elbirn]

I was mainly looking for someone to be a bad person and point out the pedantic shit though. I wonder if your phrasing in that regard has anything to do with the fact that both you and jjh have seemed to TMI on a town!chemist this game?...

Oh no it has everything to do with slips not being real

I hate that I can't play this game as town and say "oh so and so is town" without some internet boy genius going "heh *smirks, pushes up glasses* I think you meant to say you THINK so and so is town"

If I'm catching scum I'm not doing it by analyzing word choice

[Adorable]

This suji/mastina argument has basically turned into
"players play a town game the same way every game regardless of outside factors" -suji
vs
"it's impossible to fake good, towny posts as scum" -mastina

and I am almost certain one of them is scum at this point. Obviously I lean scum!Mastina over scum!Suji but it really doesn't read like a TvT argument.

In a game where there are no/less factors in it than this one I would typically consider Suji to be the scum for his position but given the context of the game and my reads right now (with an honorable mention that Mastina should know better than to imply that a scum can't "my posts are so towny" their way into deepwolfing) Mastina is probably the scum of the two.

The way I see it:
a Mastina redflip means jjh is the partner like 99% (I still think given the odds that I see here jjh should go first but I digress).
a suji redflip means... I don't really know honestly. Elbirn would probably be the partner there but I don't think Suji is getting lynched today anyway so I don't feel like efforting much there. I would imagine others probably think it implicates me and that's understandable honestly.
(other likely rope candidates today)
a TL redflip points probably to elbirn but potentially [redacted black] too. his partner is straight up chemist if a pure/not-disloyal scum inventor though. I'm still interested to know why people (mena and chemist I think) believe that I would be the scummate there btw.

I think if jjh is scum Chemist would be his scum buddy because he was the one who cleared jjh and Rolecop is a common scum role. If Elbirn is scum, my guess would probably be Menalque since I notice they haven't been voting each other and Menalque didn't believe TL's claim or it could be TL from the interaction they had which looked like scum buddies talking to each other.

[Menalque]

Adorable, do you think that I'm the first person to SR one of my buddies D1 and then I hard push him D2 just for cred, including after there is doubt about whether his role spews him town rather than reversing? I'm not asking if you think it's possible, I'm asking if you think it's probable. Because I think that despite having needed a couple of days I should be pretty damn close to lock!town now after the elements flip.

Also, funnily enough, I actually do wanna lynch Elbirn

VOTE: Elbirn

[Menalque]

eth0s you still around?

[Menalque]

On one hand I am inclined to side with jjh here as he appears to have caught Korina in a few lies. On the other hand I don't understand why scum would have a role to make PTs for other players.

Not even sure if I believe the flagbearer part isn't true.

Role =/= alignment

Setup spec is an art

Scum will not usually have roles that are blatantly scummy, and often may have roles that look pro-town.

although, why didn't this apply regarding elements, jjh? and regarding TL?

[Menalque]

actually I'm rereading jjh's D1 again and I'm willing to roll with eth0s on this

VOTE: jjh

[eth0s]

I was mainly looking for someone to be a bad person and point out the pedantic shit though. I wonder if your phrasing in that regard has anything to do with the fact that both you and jjh have seemed to TMI on a town!chemist this game?...

Oh no it has everything to do with slips not being real

I hate that I can't play this game as town and say "oh so and so is town" without some internet boy genius going "heh *smirks, pushes up glasses* I think you meant to say you THINK so and so is town"

If I'm catching scum I'm not doing it by analyzing word choice

I see your point in regards to jjh but as far as you're concerned you both implied that korina was going to flip green and straight up accepted chemist as conftown eod 1.

[Menalque]

whoever motivated TL should claim it now imo, and explain it before we end day

that's one of the main things I feel confused about atm

[Menalque]

oh hey eth0s

[eth0s]

eth0s you still around?

Yeah what's up