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[bob3141]

Always beware those directly above you.

VOTE: Tchill

[bob3141]

VOTE: Egix

whats your reason for adding a forth vote to egix wagon. A vote that is rather blank. Might only be your second post on player that already has 3.

Putting someone to l-3 doesnt feel liek rvs vote to me

[bob3141]

That woudl certainly help Luv catch any trains

[bob3141]

can we have that on red train wagon

[bob3141]

But it certianly somethign to be questioned. After all wagons are there to be question and more different ones the more info. And less space for teh mafia to run.

[bob3141]

I'm ok with Tchill latest answer for the time being.

Not sure if i like Egix ignoring the wagon going on him though.

VOTE: egix

L-2

VOTE: farkran

what should his response have been?

Why vote frkran over any other of teh egix wagoners. He migth have put it upto l-2 but so have every other player in effect that hasnt unvoted.

What makes you tthink that farkum is the most likley to scum out of any already voting egix

[bob3141]

Why ask Farkran for this but not sheep?

Sheep only used it to say that Farkran was tentatively towny for standing out, but Farkran used it to call an entire wagon town (and didn't even profess uncertainty).

Smart but what do you think the scum motivation for calling the hole wagon town. Not sure what your motiviation here is. Are you saying that you think farkum is scummy for pushign that teh hoel wagon is town or a townie making an unsubstantiated assertion that teh hoel wagon is town.

[bob3141]

I'm ok with Tchill latest answer for the time being.

Not sure if i like Egix ignoring the wagon going on him though.

VOTE: egix

L-2

VOTE: farkran

what should his response have been?

Do you currently think egix is town or scum?

Depending on what you think of egix alignment what do you think of the other players either voted or wagoning or not voting and pushing egix? Why pick out Farkan for the vote over any others

[bob3141]

How should I know?

If you farkum is scum trying to push a scum partner as town by sayign all those on teh wagon are town. You must think someone on the egix wagon is scum.

Even if you came from an angle that farkum must be protecting his scum partner you must of then looked at who it could be. As you logic on scum reading farkum depends on him having a partner on teh wagon. Surely you would of gone looking into who it could be. Even if you havnt come to solid conclusion yet

[bob3141]

You know Farkran well enough to say that he wouldn't call a wagon all town if he had a buddy on it?

I thought you just said that farkum motiviation for callign that wagon all town was because he had scum buddy on it. Yet now you are trying to imply that the wagon is all town aprt from farkum. Bit of a contradiction.

[bob3141]

I never said you wrong about cum being on there. I said I disagree with your reasoning. I don't think scum would say it to protect their scum mates that's a bit of a reach.

Oh. Yeah, that's reasonable. I suppose a simpler scum motivation would just be "to do what he'd do as town."

Seems like quite poor reasoning. So are your saying that farkum done something he would of done as town and thus he is still scummy. Rather than simple fact he could of done action because he was town. But you immediately go for him being scum for it.

[bob3141]

I'm ok with Tchill latest answer for the time being.

Not sure if i like Egix ignoring the wagon going on him though.

VOTE: egix

L-2

VOTE: farkran

what should his response have been?

You have yet to elaborate why you beleive Farkum is scum.

All I can see is you scum reading him for questioning why you made a blank vote on player after you first RVS. Without any sort of explanation until you respond to his pressure on you 12 hours. Would you have exlianed your DP vote otherwise?

Infact i cant see any point you actualy state why you scum read farkum. You only simply say you still scu read him and made a quote of farkum vote on egix. So all i can see as you reasoning is simply that he his voting for egix. But no reason why his push on egix is scummy

[bob3141]

I like tchill and garmr so far

I like sheep’s tone but not really vibing their reads

You say you like tchill and garmr. But you dont say why. Its a bit easy to say you like someone if your not goign to back it up.


Also what about sheeps tone do you like. Even if as you say you dont beleive his reads are right

[bob3141]

I skimmed and the bulk of the discussion that has taken place so far feels like it’s only going to help scum hide.

This is true if so far the main discussion has been mostly town. If the town are confusing themselves, scum would be smart by staying minimal.

So who do you think of the the players that as you put are staying minimal are most likely scum.

[bob3141]

i like bob questioning on reasons.

What about it did you like. Quite easy to make simple statements if you dont back it up. How do we now you simply not scum wanting to look like there contributing when there real not.

[bob3141]

with how much the emptiness of the thread is bothering me i want to say this game is fairly sort by postcount and scum have taken it easy and only popped in once or twice

but so far the only one who stands out is farkran

i like egix's posts 78 and 80

like smart's read on penguin

like penguin's entrance

everyone else ~rand; can village please post more

same goes for you.

What about egix post did you like and what about teh others?

[bob3141]

sheep TR'd Far for playing when the game was dead. thats NAI. Scum could easily see an opportunity to look towny there and take it.

Wouldn't Scum want the game to stall though? Posting and trying to progress sounds like the opposite of what Scum would want.

You ask wouldn't scum want teh game to stall yet you and that posting is opposite of what scum want to do.

Yet you have barley post anything. If you think scum would not want to post why shoudl we think you are town if you as you claim are doing exactly how you think scum should behave?



Cant see have posted really anything pertinente to game at all in your 5 or 6 posts so far. All i see is a a blank rvs near the start of the game. If you were to chnage you vote from your rvs to an actual vote, who would it be any why? ( can be coupls of players) And who do you think is looking townie so far

[bob3141]

This is the first day 1 I've had where I really have no reads on anyone. Like, I keep going over everything and I get nothing more than confused.

So you dont realy have any reads so far but who would you liek to hear most from to help you form a read on them? As in what are you thoughs on teh players so far even if you cant place anyone outside of null so far

[bob3141]

it really sounds like you're a proponent of lynching lurkers.

theres many more lurkers than SS or I.

This game is saddly looking liek it will turn out to be a game of lurkers. Still more activity then when i first started playign mafia

[bob3141]

VOTE: egix

Fuck L1 someone needs to bring this to intent

So are you still happy with your vote being on egix as you never gave a reason for your revote of teh player you rvs voted. Cant see you mention egix at all after. Do you still scum read him, if so what are your reasons. What do you believe you ahve seen that shows you he is likely scum.

[bob3141]

end of my working week so will able to catch up now

[bob3141]

VOTE: ben

Why are you voting ben. I cant see any where before this blank vote where you scum read ben at all. I can see niether a progression towards your vote nor any mention of ben before this point in your Iso. Infact post of your post appear rather fluffy.

With your last vote being on player who has also now joined the same wagon as you. What is your current opinion of farkum and what do you think of him joining your wagon.

[bob3141]

Looking at the ben wagon i see it started with bailey who made his first real vote on him. His reason is scarse but atleast there is more to it than your DP. With it appearing very much a point scum read on teh player. Can you elaborate on why you vote for ben yourself.

It feels to me like your simply trying to avoid gettign drawn into any meaningful discusion with your fluff posts.

For now

VOTE: DP[/DP]

[bob3141]

VOTE: DP

[bob3141]

And i see its not teh first wagon you have sheeped. With no real reason given for why you agree with teh others that that player is scummy enough to warrant a vote

At teh time why did you scum read egix and farkum

[bob3141]

his smug attitude kinda makes feel like his town. When his telling people to get more active and kinda bragging about his activity He lacks the self awareness to reliaze that his post start to make people zone out. Well me at least

Actually changed my mind after forcing myself to reread Tchill post one more Time. I'm dropping T_chill back to null null maybe null scum. To much theory dribble in his posts and not enough hunting.

The bragging changes context when his posturing about inactivity as such while having so much filler which is just as bad for the game state.

He also doesn't do much with his questioning and I don't see much results.

these posts in particular. It kinda changes things now that ik you just dont want to read my posts. This is why you were put there though. Of course the fact that you pushed flub for voting LUV still has you in my SR's.

Seems like a cheap trick to try and force the issue on someone not named SS.

So you find garmr vote unjustified on flub or just the timing on it. As though he is simply trying to derail smart lynch.

Tchill what do you think of flubbers original vote on luv itself?

[bob3141]

What is your current opinion of farkum and what do you think of him joining your wagon.

Don't know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I voted Ben partly to see if he would follow through on that read so + townie points for him.

So was your vote on ben just to see what furkham would do. If it was now that you have seen how furkham behaved aroudn the ben lynch with his following of you vote with his and later unvoting. Do you still feel like having your vote on ben. Or was there something in relation to ben that made you scum read him enough to vote for him in combination with you wanting to see what furkham would do

[bob3141]

Welp, this overstayed it's welcome.

UNVOTE: Ben

Flubber's vote on LUV seems really odd. Seems like a meta play too.

VOTE: FlubberNugget

This does feel like quite the change of direction. The mood of few players turn to flubernugget after he voted luv. And all of sudden you move to him just after smart was pushed up another notch to l-2. The timing just feels off combined with your lack of detail on your vote for him.

Also you say is it feels off. You don't say why it feels off. You don't say what swayed you to this feeling whether it was something another player said during their push on flubber. Or something you read in his post.


So what about his vote feels off? And why did it make you feel that way?

[bob3141]

If SS were scum i believe his partners would be in (Detectivepenguin/LUV/George)

But which of those 3 possibilities of smarts scum buddy do you feel is most likely with a scum smart

[bob3141]

ah where did my post go

pressed sumbit and nothing

[bob3141]

It's Monday and I'm back at work. Wont be able to catch up for a bit, but I promise I will. You can see from any games I've been in, typically I don't internet at night or on weekends.

Just to let you know were at 36 hours ish to deadline. You will prob want to set you vote where you want it then

[bob3141]

I'm not feeling good about egix. As I can't see any posts that are more than fluff or simply sparse of content. (i.e. very short). He reiterated his vote on smarts slot even though his initial vote on the slot was the 6th post in and rvs vote. And since then all I can see is one post where I really interacts with smart. With him simply asking what smarts read on him was.

Just feels odd. With his recent vote being on smart feeling to me simply like a player trying to avoid being accused of casting on their RVS vote when that vote would end up contributing to a lynch.

If there is something that made him feel that smart is scum he doesn't say. Whether it's something another player is pushing out is proof smart is scum or something he has seen himself. All we have is him saying he is fixing his vote. Feels a little opportunistic.

[bob3141]

ah where did my post go

pressed sumbit and nothing

I get that sometimes. Back button is a lifesaver, though some browsers (*cough* Edge) won't save your post if you go back to it.

i pressed submit and closed teh tab so it was lost

[bob3141]

Is VC 1.08 still mostly accurate?

somewhat but i beleive smart is on l-1 or l-2.

So no accidential hammers. Last game i played 3 of my fellow townies lol hammered. And everyone claimed they didnt realise

[bob3141]

I'm not feeling good about egix.

Help us wagon him then?

my original post included a vote.

Doing it into halfs. Incase my post goes funny again

[bob3141]

With egix vote on player being one i simply dont see that as that scummy. I see other players are claiming he is scum but they all atleast have substantial posts on the subject which leaves me feeling that egix is simply trying to piggyback.

Which is making me feel like smart is town as during my questioning of him I didnt see anything majorily scummy. Combined with rather suspect vote from egix im leaning towards null to slight town on smart

VOTE: egix

[bob3141]

sheep I remember askign you a while back about you read on egix. Where you said you liked his posts, what has changed since then for you to come to the conlusion that he is more scummy then he first appeared to you. As i see that towards the lower half of your read list if im reading it correctly.

[bob3141]

Also since you are not town reading him how do you feel about his vote on smart. That has been there all day back from when he first made is rvs vote on post 6 with it not moving once. Concidering that you are also voting for the same player as him

[bob3141]

possible scum teams.
(somethingsmart/tchill)
(flubber/Something smart.)

VOTE: Something smart

I see with your vote you are listing him with 2 different potential partners. Which one do you feel is more likely his scum partner if smart is in fact scum. And what keeps makign you feel that smart is scum.

Also who do you think could be the 3rd scum player. As if im reading it rigth do you think he could only be partnered with one of tchil or flubber

[bob3141]

Forgot to add for the SS wagon.. no one of those voters have hit me at a high level as a town read. Don't read into it too much, EVERYONE is null ATM to me. But my gut feelings from one or two post I've skimmed give the ones I've mentioned town nulls.

If you havnt come to any scum reads yet. Which players do you feel you want to hear more from to help you form a read on them.

[bob3141]

If there is something that made him feel that smart is scum he doesn't say.

That's the thing
I actually don't really know why I think he's scum.
I just... do.

So you simply cant think of a reason why you scum read smart then.

[bob3141]

Nice the site seems to be running better today. Could barley get on yesterday. One page taking 5 minutes to load

[bob3141]

The player got replaced. not sure if deadlien is still tommorrow or if its been extented further

[bob3141]

Actually you know what

Unvote

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

I'm actually now fearing that these are t/t wagons, and Bailey not posting this close to deadline is concerning. I feel that he's scum who's lurking out the day.

So was this vote just due to bailey not being around at this criticial time with dead line looming ahead of us. Or is there any thing else about him that your scum reading independently of your beleif that he is deliberatly lurkign around deadline.

Also you say here you fear that the wagosn is t/t yet your vote ended up returning back to smart which was one of leadign wagons at the time. What itnbetween this post quoted and your revote of smart setled any fears as you claim to have had.

[bob3141]

Ive just noticed but how has bailey only managed to make 10 posts. And thats 6 less than PP and replaced his alt DP. Dp was you.


Bailey we realy do need to hear more from you. Serously you must have some thoughts at this critical time

[bob3141]

After hsi reponse to my questioning of him due to his lack luster posting at the time.

He said he scum read ben

His next post defended PP

His next retracting his one scum read

And then vote on flubber just going on about his vote on luv. Doesnt say why its odd, just thats it really odd. Somethign in itself that isnt even realy original. I think a few otehr have called it odd but they either gave some or a decent amount of backing to why they beleived that

[bob3141]

i realy need to check my posts more before pressing submit. I hit all the right keys (mostly) but not necessary in teh right order. I speed type to much and im not that great at it

[bob3141]

egix i do find it odd though your revoting a player that will likely get replaced. He has been proded and is few hours away from hitting the prode line. With any luck the deadlien migth be extended again

seems quite a poor choice to push a lynch on. If he does get replaced it would simply mean he wasnt playing. And by day 2 we will find that out when he is eitehr replaced or rpod dodges

[bob3141]

Looking back through all vote count in sequence i noticed somethign very odd. Out of every player Luv is the only one to have even voted outside of the rvs stage. All i can see is vote at post 36 and unvote at 169. 700 ish post later an no actual vote even when we are upto the deadline twice.

[bob3141]

@LUV i think it's time you vote for someone and explain why

No I’ll vote when I’m actually confident in someone being scum. You don’t make that decision for me.

Looking back through your iso. Are you confident in anyone being scum yet?

[bob3141]

Im just not get scum vibe from SS but at same time egix is looking less scummy to me. Egix just isnt comign across to me as he did in my first game on this site where he was a sheeping scum.

[bob3141]

Will get caught up when i can. Currently in teh middle of my working week and its currently 10 hours in a 5 day block at the moment.

[bob3141]

as in 10 hours a day with 5 days . Not 10 hours over 5 days. If any one thought that

[bob3141]

This was the hight of Luv wagon before he claimed mason

Flubbernugget 471, Tchill13 666, PenguinPower 798 , rapid, farkum

in my experiance if a wagon gets 4 or more votes then usual there is atleast one scum on it. Although such info does get better as teh game progresses as you can start checking of like a cludo sheet.

Tchill and furkum im reading as town so im leanign to one scum being in flubber , PP and rapid

[bob3141]

Got given the rest of today off so will get some catching up done.

[bob3141]

Starting my catch up now. But what is teh actual case on garmr

[bob3141]

As i just dont see it as his play is reminding me of his mason game. Never experianced a game he has flipped scum. Only teh mason and one where he was just a vannilla townie. But from seeing this game so far I feel this is just how he plays.


Ill have to look at this wagon to see how it all started but it looks rather suspect to me

[bob3141]

This was the hight of Luv wagon before he claimed mason

Flubbernugget 471, Tchill13 666, PenguinPower 798 , rapid, farkum

in my experiance if a wagon gets 4 or more votes then usual there is atleast one scum on it. Although such info does get better as teh game progresses as you can start checking of like a cludo sheet.

Tchill and furkum im reading as town so im leanign to one scum being in flubber , PP and rapid

why are you reading fark as town?

He is giving me a towny vib. Some of his reads are similar to mine and others different. And although i dont agree with all his reads they do look like someone genuine trying to game solve. Rather than farkum actions being motivated by an agenda to drive forward a lynch for a lynchs simple sake.

Even his reads i dont agree with feel genuine so far, even if i dont agree with his conclusions on those reads so far

[bob3141]

reads are roughly

SS, PP, tchill, Rabid, Egix, luv town

ben is mixed

scum in (fark, sheep, Garmr, flub, bob)

Sweet I'm willing to work with you on sheep and flub But you'd have to kill me first before Bob or Fark. They are my hard town reads.

I’m not asking you to locktown me, and I’m not locktowning you

But I think you’re more likely to be town than scum by a decent margin and I want you to go with me on this one

There’s also the fact that do you really see scum!me putting in this much effort to convince you to put down

the second vote

on a wagon on D1 when I could probably just get you or egix lynched for much less effort while still looking just as towny for it

Only got up to here so far (will work back from my post yesterday after workign fowards from it). But i will have to see how men went from saying he was town leaning men to scum reading. And heavily pushing garms lynch. Will have to read the inbetween but so far looks like 180

[bob3141]

So he goes from short listing garmr in last 5. To saying " more likely to be town than scum". Then actively pushign garmr lynch

so men you say scum is in "scum in (fark, sheep, Garmr, flub, bob)" but were you scum reading garmr then.

As in post 1130 you imply your town reading garmr

[bob3141]

ah so its just bad timing. People put in your post who your talking to incase some posts before then.

Looked like he was responding to garmr when i read through that bit. If it was responding to one of smarts earlier posts it does look more consistent then

[bob3141]

Ok so before the day ends, here's what happened

That most recent post is p obviously a mix of making up justifications after the fact and blatant shading (“generis worthless stuff”; “you didn’t persist” — clearly a lie ftr; “building your scum read”)

There’s zero good faith even in the effort to approach my slot here from garmr

We prob lynch here today, and sort farkran tonorrow

VOTE: garmr

VOTE: garmr

would definitely not do farkran tho

but menal cna you link me to the lynchbait!farkran game you were referencing

More okay with this than any of the other options.

VOTE: Garmr

Ouch - three L-4 wagons with 11 hours left.

VOTE: garmr

VOTE: Garmr

We have 8 hours left. So...maybe no vanity wagons. Plskthx.

VOTE: Garmr

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Garmr

I'd be so fucking surprised if garmr flips scum, but if he does i honestly don't know what to say, have fun fooling with me tomorrow because i'm no longer useful in this game.

If he flips town, we can very likely find the full scumteam on this wagon (mena/ben/SS is my guess) and town probably don't deserve to win for having instantly listened to scum literally

asking

to flashlynch town in less than 24 hours.

Very curious to see the flip now.

If you can't see that Menalque is scum and masterminding the game right now i don't know what else to say

Let me borrow this from PP real quick:

‾\_(ツ)_/‾

So from that what made you conclude that manel was scum masterminding garmr lynch and simply not town masterminding mislynch. As although i didnt agree with manels assement of garmr his push did look genuine.

[bob3141]

Struggling to decide whether scum!fark honestly makes a push this bad or not

In all honesty, he probably does.
OTOH tho, he was hard-Tr'd by both of the dead town iirc so I wouldn't want to lynch him toDay

Anyways, i made my point.

People who are able to read will get it, scum will likely counter it again.

I already posted enough for d2, not going to litter the thread any longer

If my understanding of this is correct, then good job.
VOTE: Menalque

I see you vote for menalque after in effect agreeing that scum farkum could make a push that bad.

Therefore, you are agreeing that the farkum push on menalque is bad. So if you dont agree that farkum points against menalquie are good. What are you reasons for voting the same player as anotehr who you said made a bad push.

Now you dont say that means farkhum is scum but you dont rule it out. All you say is that you dont want to lynch him today as he was strong town read of the tow dead townies.

So if you dont agree with farkhums points menalque what have you see that has made you come to the same conclusion as farkum ven if you think his reasonign was bad

[bob3141]

I would think as a mason you'd push the hell out of people, knowing you have a get out of jail free card if you get pushed in return.

Does this mean you dont beleive luv mason claim or simply that you think if he is a mason that he is simply playing wrong by being rather passive.

[bob3141]

Ouch - three L-4 wagons with 11 hours left.

VOTE: garmr

Some what made you think that garmr was good lynch yesterday. Were you swayed at all by menalque push or did you see something that menalque did speak about that convinced you that garmr was scum.

As i see in post 1030 you questioned garmr about his switch to smart in post 544. What about it made you think at teh tiem it was suspicous vote change

[bob3141]

Third on was S_S. This one looks bad:

410 - Initially has garmr in his lynch pool
599 - After discussion with tchill, he removes garmr from lynchpool
1002 - garmr is a townlean
1178 - votes his town lean because no better option

I'll look at the rest later, but this is enough for me to vote.
VOTE: Something_Smart

Me too

VOTE: Something_Smart

Is that you agreeing with everything rapid has said. You jumped onto garmr with out a word and now on to smart with 2.

What in manelque push and rapid post has swayed you. As with quick search of you iso i cant see any reference to smart. Is there any thing thats stands out to you that others havnt mentioned about smart that marks him out clearly as scum in your eyes

[bob3141]

You questioned garmr on two points. One his reads lists and his belief that me and farkum couldnt be scum together

Those are teh only two points that you iso intereacts with garmr. With quick search in your iso for garmr that all i found. What in his responses made you come to the conclusion he was scum or was it simply you agreeing with what other had said

[bob3141]

Pirate penguinpower i see in your iso that one of the reasons you voted for garmr was to break teh deadlock before teh approaching deadline arrived. But what about garmr and menalque push on him made you choose garmr over any other player. was it simply that garmr was at l-3 and the deadline was only 8 hours away.

At the time what did you think the likelihood on your beleif on garmr was. And what does his flip make you feel about the wagons you had been pushing before you switch to garmr

[bob3141]

Sheep what about garmrs pushs during day one made you feel he was scummy. Also now knowing his flip has you view changed or remained the same on the different players garmr either pushed or town read during day one

[bob3141]

Spoiler:

Struggling to decide whether scum!fark honestly makes a push this bad or not

In all honesty, he probably does.
OTOH tho, he was hard-Tr'd by both of the dead town iirc so I wouldn't want to lynch him toDay

Anyways, i made my point.

People who are able to read will get it, scum will likely counter it again.

I already posted enough for d2, not going to litter the thread any longer

If my understanding of this is correct, then good job.
VOTE: Menalque

I see you vote for menalque after in effect agreeing that scum farkum could make a push that bad.

Therefore, you are agreeing that the farkum push on menalque is bad. So if you dont agree that farkum points against menalquie are good. What are you reasons for voting the same player as anotehr who you said made a bad push.

Now you dont say that means farkhum is scum but you dont rule it out. All you say is that you dont want to lynch him today as he was strong town read of the tow dead townies.

So if you dont agree with farkhums points menalque what have you see that has made you come to the same conclusion as farkum ven if you think his reasonign was bad

I was hoping I wouldn't have to state this but you're not leaving me much choice.

I think that Far is softing a guilty on Menal.

I find it odd you would deliberately put a player as you said you beleived to be a investigate type role. Into a position where he would be forced to eitehr deny or out himself. What good did you think it would acheive for you to find out if you were rigth or not. As your only reponse to me askign you why you agreed with farkum that menalque is scum when you disagree with his push. Is to say you though he had guilty.

Now that farkum has denied having a role based guilty do you now feel about your vote on menalque

[bob3141]

I don't think something smart is scum here

All of those people have things that seem at least somewhat genuine.
Ben I've already explained-- "no reads" bit, vote/unvote on Flubber, and premature VT claim is classic flustered new town.
LUV inserted himself into the activity discussion pretty naturally and didn't try to push any agenda with it.
Penguin as I said is mostly meta, he just feels more at ease as town.
George's analysis and reconsidering on ben is pretty towny.
Ngl I liked Flubber's defense of me.

SS hedging on his content is NAI for him, but this post is really bad. Esp the town read of me.

LUV read is pants on head wrong

Third on was S_S. This one looks bad:

410 - Initially has garmr in his lynch pool
599 - After discussion with tchill, he removes garmr from lynchpool
1002 - garmr is a townlean
1178 - votes his town lean because no better option

I'll look at the rest later, but this is enough for me to vote.
VOTE: Something_Smart

Probs gonna sheep this once I catch up

VOTE: ss

I see just like ben you also sheeped the forming wagon on smart. At the time of your vote after your catch up what made you decided to follow through with statement that you wuld sheep the wagon on smart. What in his play made you think he was scum.

before you vote i realy only see you mentioning smart in relation to you say one of his posts was although bad was NIA. And before you said that you you couldnt see smart as scum based on something else someone had called out.

I cant realy see any progression from you on smart

[bob3141]

VOTE: Flubber

[bob3141]

That's a bit harsh, he probably hasn't played with masons in 10+ years if at all.

masons do appear quite common of late. Think 2/3 of my games I played so far have had masons in

[bob3141]

I dont think we should even be considering lynching a claimed mason. I cant see why any player would think this would be good idea. They might still only be claimed masons but come a mass claim there would excess of claimed town power.

[bob3141]

Can we all post lynchpools and see if we can find any common ground?

Mine is {menalque, pp, ben, flubber, sheeps} in that order of preference

Please? Or do we want to waste d2 too?

Take out ben imo

But why? Is it just his low post count or do you see somethign in your posts. As yesterday you just sat on one player for most of the day, a player that has since claimed to be a mason.


Why do you no longer beleive in your menal vote. Why did you originaly scum read him and has that changed sicen your unvoted/voted else where

[bob3141]

So egix are you saying that ben is too scum to be scum and thus town. Or are you saying he is too scummy to be scum yet still scum?

[bob3141]

fark is dropping for me unless he has more of his own thoughts instead of sheeping ss

still feel pretty good about my reads otherwise

So which of his thoughts do you think arnt original and what do you think of those points. And what do you think of the points farkhum is simply sheeping SS on. We know smart is claimed mason but what do you think of his reads. Do you think farkhum is scum trying to sheep a town player they see as having bad reads or simply a town player abdicating responsibility to a player he sees as likely town.

[bob3141]

So egix are you saying that ben is too scum to be scum and thus town. Or are you saying he is too scummy to be scum yet still scum?

That's a tongue twister when saying it outload.

It certainly is. I didnt notice when i was typing that.

[bob3141]

As for Egix, i'm having a hard time believing he is scum due to how day 1 rolled out. He was the highest RVS wagon, then he was one of the main wagons before Garmr happened. We now believe SS is town, tchill and garmr flipped town, which means the wagon against SS was either full town (from my POV, but you believe what you believe) or 3 town + scum!sheeps.

This points to egix being town though?

I meant this points to egix being scum. Wagon deflected on to garmr from him because???

What makes you think that egix is scum and that the wagons that formed on him was deflected to garmr's mislynch. What in formation of garmr lynch makes you think this or do you simply scum read some of the players that moved from egix to garmr before his lynch.

If you think egix is scum what do you think of his earlier voter of which you were one ( as in ealier in day one)

[bob3141]

So farkum are you saying that PP and sheep jumped onto garmr to prevent an alternative wago forming on menal in response to his push on garmr. As that would mean a menal , pp and sheep scum team. Not sure where the ben bit comes in

[bob3141]

So farkum are you saying that PP and sheep jumped onto garmr to prevent an alternative wago forming on menal in response to his push on garmr. As that would mean a menal , pp and sheep scum team. Not sure where the ben bit comes in

Only me, Egix and Garmr were considering a Menalque wagon around the end of d1, but we didn't coordinate the effort because Menalque filled the thread with spamposting. I was personally very mad at the time because of this.

My reasoning against Menalque is that he put too much immotivate effort to push the lynch against Garmr. While it is true that scum!menalque didn't NEED to start a new wagon, it is also true that no scum was achieving anything in d1. I don't believe the whole scumteam would be sleeping and accept a no-lynch, unless the scumbloc was entirely composed of lurkers (of which George Bailey was one of the main representatives).

If i am wrong on Menalque though, sheeps and PP joined the wagon for no reason too. And Ben quickhammered, but that looks more like antitown than scummy.

TL;DR i don't know the precise scumteam composition, but i'd say all of those 4 have great scum equity, much moreso than the people outside the wagon.

So why do you think if menal is scum that he woudl push a new wagon and not simply push a player that already had wagon on him?

[bob3141]

Rabid if we do Ben today and he scumflips, will you sheep my read on egix?

At this point I wouldn't.

Why not?

Because I don't think egix is scum.

What has lead you to teh conclusion that egix is scum. Cant realy see much in your posts to base what you have made that read off. All i can see is general things like you read his ISO ect. But what in his ISO lead you to that belief

[bob3141]

you frustrate me with repetitive questions

Seconded.

what about his repetitive questions is making you two frustrated. Are you having to both keep checkign what you answered before and thus get frustrated?

I find asking person later the same sort of question quite revealing. Very good at findign any inconsistencies

[bob3141]

We could lynch Egix. That would be cool.

Why woudl an egix lynch be cool, in your words.

[bob3141]

We could lynch Egix. That would be cool.

Why woudl an egix lynch be cool, in your words.

Because I think he's scum, and I wanted him D1.

What did you see personaly that made you feel he was scum.

[bob3141]

And do you still see egix the way you did day one. As although you still scum read him today is that read on him stronger or weaker. As in has anything that he has done in teh intervening peroid made you more sure or given food for thought.

[bob3141]

These are the wagons from day one. Marked flipped and claim mason as town and since i know i am town I have abbreviated me to b. As this is my analysis

Egix - t 7, Flubbernugget, b, sheep 22, Detective Penguin
Smart- Egix96 , t , sheep, Farkran
Garmr - Menalque , sheep, t, Rabid , PenguinPower, t, benhalkum 1287
Luv- flubber,t , pp , rapid, farkum

Now i would expect each of those wagons to have a 2/3 chance to have atleast one scum on.

[bob3141]

My reads based on game dynamic leave me beleiving that flubber, egix and sheep have higest scum equity

We have two claimed masons and I belive their claims as I was town reading smart before his claim. Baring any more pr claims that would leave it clear that either they are lying or the new pr claims would be false. So for now i concider the wagons on luv and smart to be town players that have each got wagon of 4.

We have egix, sheep and farkum on smart
flubber, pp, rapid and farkum- on luv
With rapid PP and sheep shwoing up on garms wagon. Im town reading menal and not quite sure what to make of ben.

We also have the egix wagon that has flubber,sheep and PP

[bob3141]

With pp being just behind as well.

So from a start of Flubber,egix, sheep and pp. Lookign closer at teh different wagons

[bob3141]

We have flubber that was just sitting on luv for upto 5 days before teh deadline. Although he did say lets do luv flash lynch there was not much realy behind it after that point. All he did after that was either defend his own luv vote with out actualy laying out a scum case. In response to players saying his vote was opportunistic all he come up with was that he was first. Although he was mkaing a vote on player for no other reason than luv is a lurker in all alignments. And although before hsi vote he did interact with luv at point did he actual try to question luv about his actions. What is there just looks like an argument over approaches to teh game

[bob3141]

VOTE: egix

Fuck L1 someone needs to bring this to intent

So are you still happy with your vote being on egix as you never gave a reason for your revote of teh player you rvs voted. Cant see you mention egix at all after. Do you still scum read him, if so what are your reasons. What do you believe you ahve seen that shows you he is likely scum.

I honestly am

I don't see anyone acting particularly scummy in the actives rn so the best course of action still looks to be randing a lurker

Then you have his response to my queston where he out rigth says he has no scum reads. And just wants to lynch a lurker. Which looks to me like scum wanting a easy lynch as they are having hard time coming up with any fake reads

[bob3141]

We end up goign to teh deadline even with a few days extension. And we have wagon on claimed mason at point at 4 votes. Now why would scum not try and push that unless they were already on it or scimply couldnt come up with scum read on him to justify teh vote.

So far Im feeling that flubber is scum with atleast on scum on the smart wagon and maybe even 2.

So I think egix and sheep have high equity after flubber. Farkum up to now i was townreading but will have to check im simply not town reading his approach to scum as he highlighted in the post that PP linked

[bob3141]

Now based on that why didnt the egix wagon get above 4. I town read smart before his claim so he is town. I know i am town.

So that leaves ben and PP on that wagon. If both of those are town it makes it highly suspicous that egix wagon only reached 4. Now that wagon shrunk as luv wagon increased in smarts reached 4.

Flubber never left his luv wagon barley attempting if any scum hunting.
Egix jumped on smart 100 post after ben joined the egix wagon.
With sheep and farkum being early voters
PP left Egix at some point dropping back down to 3.

sheepsaysmeep 423, Farkran 468, Garmr 544, Egix96 845

Ill have to look closer at egix move on smart. To see if it looks suspicious or feels genuine

[bob3141]

pp when was that as i was reading the 1.10 and 1.11 vc in vc ISo

[bob3141]

Ypu dropped him to 2 when you moved but garmr but on increase in smart wagon that i was looking that you left dropping him to 3 and rejoined 100 posts or so after smart switched his vote

[bob3141]

VOTE: egix

Fuck L1 someone needs to bring this to intent

So are you still happy with your vote being on egix as you never gave a reason for your revote of teh player you rvs voted. Cant see you mention egix at all after. Do you still scum read him, if so what are your reasons. What do you believe you ahve seen that shows you he is likely scum.

I honestly am

I don't see anyone acting particularly scummy in the actives rn so the best course of action still looks to be randing a lurker

Then you have his response to my queston where he out rigth says he has no scum reads. And just wants to lynch a lurker. Which looks to me like scum wanting a easy lynch as they are having hard time coming up with any fake reads

If I were scum I'd at least try to fake a bunch of town reads and make it look like I'm lynching from poe

Thats not much of an arguement. Are you real saying the fact you arnt producing reads or scum hunting is evidence your town. Why did you want luv over all other players. Why didnt you make any attempt to directly press LUV over his actions. Why were you happy to just sit on luv and let teh time go by whiel not actively scum hunting

[bob3141]

bob has big posts and im barely reading them but i do think theyre genuine or legitimate thoughts he's been having

Thats quite an easy thing to say. You say you think my posts are genuine but dont mention anythign about if you agree or disagree with them. Feels like your trying to avoid commenting on them in the hopes they get swept under the carpet all teh while tryign to look like you simply arnt ignoring them. as they point to 3 players of which you are one

[bob3141]

this already happened with me and Fark
let's not, thanks

^ Egix's daily prodge. I'm starting to doubt my read on him.

I really do not have that much to say tho

(also I'm multitabling)

You must ahve somethign to say. Your startign to remind me of the game where you were scum. Where you were rather quite and sheeped votes.

Only for you to suddenly get talkative when you were suddenly in teh last 3 with a confirmed townie.

[bob3141]

Spoiler: Tchill on sheep

UNVOTE: fargrax

VOTE: sheep

fargrax hasnt done anything AI. they were the one wanting to play ball early so i figured id push them to see what happens.

sheep TR'd Far for playing when the game was dead. thats NAI. Scum could easily see an opportunity to look towny there and take it.

ben's crawling into my villas btw

UNVOTE: Tchill

The majority who've played with him before (it seems) feel he is town. Instead of going on a crusade to search down why I feel his post were odd, I'm going to go with the group for now. I really need to re-read this game and see if anything's sticking out.

This is the first day 1 I've had where I really have no reads on anyone. Like, I keep going over everything and I get nothing more than confused.

second post is very relateable/genuine for this game

sheep is just falling into my scums along w/ Ben.

I'm fine lynching Ben, Garmr, LUV, Sheep, Egix atm.

I'd assume the scum team is in Ben, garmr, LUV, Sheep, SS, Bob

what Bob has done is enough to make me want to keep him around but his activity has died and it's possible "decent" scum does what he did.

LUV ik will lurk if it gets him a scum win.

after reading ss past games like

he's very good at doing what i was v reading from him as w at least in terms of just answering questions but after reading a w and a v game from him he's just lackluster here in terms of not taking the step further from regular content to towny content

like i dont really in italics have w vibes from him it's just discomfort with such a high postcount but no super good thoughts yet?

due to the fact I agree with Sheep's statement here

VOTE: somethingsmart

lets see if flub stays on egix or goes to another wagon.

@those three, who's your highest SR right now and why?

it's still sheep. When we're talking about possible scum driven action his play has the most. TR'ing you for simply playing in a dead game could be trying to pocket the town player that will more than likely take control of the game.

TR'ing ben seemed to me like he might have been trying to get ahead of the lynch b4 it happened.

both TR's from sheep include poor reasoning and could have significant impact on his ability to be TR'd if he's correct, which he would know since he was scum.

I really think we have a good shot of lynching scum in Sheep/LUV/Egix.

Fark what do you think is up if SS is town? because atm you seem to be making preflip associations based on Scum! SS.

personally I'd like sheep lynched before SS.

LUV, sheep or SS are fine lynches.

LUV and sheep way better. SS gives enough info that im ok with it.

VOTE: SS

(had to check if they could be masons together, i don't think they are)

I really think we should lynch sheep instead. there's been too many hard stances made on SS in terms of ppl TR'ing or Sr'ing for meta or other reasons while nobody has really taken a hard stance on sheep.

Chill was SR-ing Sheep for a large part of D1, only seeming to falter when he agreed with him re:Smart.
I think that him dying in the face of that is quite strongly indicative of scum!sheep.

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

tchill was the best kill n1 for any mafia team lol

Looking through your ISO. I saw this and it struck out to me as very odd.

Why do you believe Tchill was teh best nigth kill for the scum. Did you think on who would be best kill for scum to make. Feels a bit of an off thing to be think about if your town.

[bob3141]

Smart (4): Egix96 6, sheepsaysmeep 423, Farkran 468, t

I find most wagons have atleast scum on them when they get to size of 4 or more in mini. This i find as much either scum push a wagon or town end up joinign wagon scum started pushign early.

Now in the smart wagon we know garmr is town and Im currently readinf farkum as town.

That leaves egix and sheep which are both my current scum reads from my VCA earlier in teh day.

The earlier version of that wagon below

Egix96 6, Tchill13 402, sheepsaysmeep 423, Farkran 468

Its same as teh above apart from tchil being on it rather than garmr. Who joined some point after tchill had left.

The timing doesnt feel rigth with Sheeps vote looking back. 21 posts after tchill voteed for him. With teh vote on smart having no more reasonign than being one player in list of 6 players.

With not much before aprt from sheep commenting on smarts meta but not really saying anything to how it applys to this game.

[bob3141]

VOTE: sheep

[bob3141]

im a fan of statistical analsyis

[bob3141]

followed my VCA analysis. To try and determin which wagons migth be the 1/3 that are all town and which ones have scum on. And who has highest scum equity. Followed by analysis of there overall play.

I am big fan of vote counts with hyper links too

[bob3141]

Bob.. curious to your feeling on flubber over sheep. You’ve voted flub, but have obvious feels about sheep

Currently reading them as both scum. Them two being scum team would certainly explain the stalled gamesate we kept getting in day one. Sheep a player that durign my VCA showed up sheeping votes. While flubber a low activity player not realy doing much and sitting on lurker slot much of teh day.

His first vote out od RVS was on egix and that lasted 2 days before he moved to luv. And after that didnt realy do much

[bob3141]

wagons from day one updated

Egix - t 7, Flubbernugget 8, s 22, Detective Penguin
Smart- Egix96 6, t 402, s, Farkran
Garmr - Menalque 9, s, t8, Rabid S, PenguinPower t, benhalkum 1287 46827
Luv- flubber,t , pp , rapid, farkum

[bob3141]

If one of flubber or PP isnt scum then we by process of elimination must have one scum on teh wagon. As the only other players not to vote sheep were the 2masons of which one was nked confirmeding them both and sheep himself.

So if eitehr PP or flubber are in fact town that means one of those on the sheep lynch would have to be scum.

[bob3141]

VC 1.09

Something_Smart (4):

Egix96 6, sheepsaysmeep 423, Farkran 468, Garmr 544

Egix96 (3):

Something Smart 566, Detective Penguin 636, bob3141 641

Flubbernugget (2):

ofrhz 347, GeorgeBailey 486

Lil Uzi Vert (2):

Flubbernugget 471, Tchill13 666

Not Voting:

Lil Uzi Vert 169, benhalkum 275

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-06 00:00:00)

Prodding ofrhz.

Based on this vote count i feel that one of egix/fark are scum. Of which of the two i think egix is mostly likely of the two. Notice how the egix wagon never got the ground and neither did the smart wagon. Makes be feel since we know sheep is confirmed scum now that smart was dirty wagon. Notice how although sheep was putting his vote on most wagons that formed that day. It never went on egix outside of that first wagon on him during the first 30 posts in rvs. With being the first to unvote at post 75, 50 votes after it got to l-3.

[bob3141]

But if egix isnt scum as he did vote for sheep ealry that day. Although the lynch did go from 1 vote to 6 with a lynch happening in 100 posts. While egix first vote on the wagon cam in a hole 400 posts ealier. And at no point after his vote did he realy push sheep. Sure he came in to say he was happy where is vote was but his other activity was all in relation to other matters. If his scum read was string i would expcted him to try to convince teh rest of the town more. Makes me feel he didnt want to rock the boat to much as sheep was in quite few player poe. With flubber and ben being in more.

If he is scum then he coudl hardly back out of his vote when it suddenly got up to l-1. If sheep still got lynched at that point it would be prety obvous to us all that egix was scum.
At the same time he coudl be just as much of a lurker when he is town than my experience with him as scum.

[bob3141]

Since a egix scum woud mean that due to process of elimination at most of of ben or flubber could be scum. That he was simply hoping for us to drive forwards with the town player that was in more people poe rather than instead switch to his scum partner.

[bob3141]

why do assume there is no scum not on sheeps wagon. If we dont have scum on sheep then PP and flubber must both be scum. Thus if one flips town, we have scum on sheep wagon. I find it odd farkum that you would misrep me pointing out that if eitehr pp and flubber are infact town soem scum must be on sheep. Why do you want us to think sheep wagon is all town.

For scum not be on the wagon both flubber and pp must be scum. As the other 3 players off it were teh 2 masons and scum sheep.

[bob3141]

Again why do you want us to be solely focused on those not on the wagon farkum. I scum read egix day one, he was in my poe day 2 along with sheep and flubber. Why would I not try to sort out if egix is infact right to be in poe. And thus in my scum reads.

Why dont you want any one pushing egix.

[bob3141]

I did not misrep you, in fact i agree with you on having 1 scum on the sheeps wagon.

But what are your reasons for ruling out the possibility that pp and flubber are both scum? Or at least that's how i read your posts, if i'm wrong please tell me

you are infact wrong. I did not rule out the fact both are scum.

My point was that due to them being teh only two off sheep wagion that inst confirmed town or scum. By the very nature of numbers it woudl dictate that if one of them is town that there would have to be one scum on sheep wagon.

If PP for instance is in fact town. He would see it as flubber being in teh only unconfirmed from his pov and thus one scum on sheep wagon.

If we lynched PP and he infact turned out to be town that would mean atleast one scum woudl ahve to be on sheep. As flubber cant be two scum

[bob3141]

If you read my posts before i voted sheep last day. you would in fact see that i scum read flubber along with sheep at the time. With teh potential for PP to be scum but my vca fits a scum team of egix, sheep and flubber being likely. Thus im suprised that you would find it odd i would evaluate egix in light of sheeps slip.


If you read my posts relating to menal you woudl see that i infact concluded that menal pushs although wrong on garmr looked townie. With me trying to sort rapid during the end of day two. Currently rapid is null with a slight town read. The timing of his vote on sheep looks townie to me as the sheep wagon was realy building up momentum then and his vote prety much guaranteed a sheep lynch.

At that point it put sheep to l-2 when you had 2 other players scum reading sheep with himbeing in there respective poe. Me and the claimed mason smart. With luv death now confirming smart.

With at the moment me scum reading flubber and egix. Agains farkum why wouldnt i push my scum reads?

[bob3141]

wagons from day one updated

Egix - t 7, Flubbernugget 8, s 22, Detective Penguin
Smart- Egix96 6, t 402, s, Farkran
Garmr - Menalque 9, s, t8, Rabid S, PenguinPower t, benhalkum 1287 46827
Luv- flubber,t , pp , rapid, farkum

Bob, imma level with you, I have no idea what these mean

forgot to remove the numbers. each line is copied and pasted from teh vote counts.

Egix - t , Flubbernugget , b , Detective Penguin
Smart- Egix96 , t , s, Farkran
Garmr - Menalque , s, t, Rabid , PP, t, benhalkum
Luv- flubber,t , pp , rapid, farkum

Its from my personal anlysis.

s replaces flipped scum
t replaces confirmed town and myself as i know im town. Normaly i repalce later with b forgot

posted a corrected version

[bob3141]

there we are. One didnt get copied with teh rest. The problem you get from using onlien word and notepad. The data never all in the same place

egix- t, PenguinPower , b, benhalkum
Egix - t , Flubbernugget , s , Detective Penguin
Smart- Egix96 , t , s, Farkran
Garmr - Menalque , s, t, Rabid , PP, t, benhalkum
Luv- flubber,t , pp , rapid, farkum

[bob3141]

He is lurking just as much. I think the only difference is that noone has really pushed him.

I think he really needs to pipe up as i dont think we are going to want to have lurking slot in lylo. That did work well for town in that other game.

[bob3141]

nope

[bob3141]

I would be happy with ben lynch. will not let a lurker get to lylo incase the rest of town ignor him again

[bob3141]

from what i read in teh wiki back up roles tend to be teh same alignmnet as the role they are back up to as it reduces swing. not always but often.

back up town neap with scum neap is double wammy to scum

While the same is true for town neap and scum back up neap.

[bob3141]

ill much rather anwser teh ben question now. The guy will never really post and if you ask him any questions he goes super toxic

VOTE: ben VOTE:

[bob3141]

VOTE: Ben

[bob3141]

ill much rather anwser teh ben question now. The guy will never really post and if you ask him any questions he goes super toxic

VOTE: ben VOTE:

No, you're just really annoying.

real mature.

[bob3141]

Ben i point how your not confirmed and you were infact scum anway and you start frothing. And start throwing out insults


You throw out insults when you were trying to vanity vote and simpyl not scum hunt or anything. You response to be beign questioned was again just to throw out insults.


You even start psoting about that game in this one. Trying to convince anyoen in this game that you were town in that one. By claiming you were town right on pret all the time.

[bob3141]

Farkum if you complain about his activity he will have fit. That he is infact the only person in the world with job and a life.

He will do this all game if you let him and if you question him he will again have a fit

[bob3141]

has anyone questioned him at all. Who has made less posts then even luv

[bob3141]

a player who last post was 11 days ago still beats ben for number of posts

[bob3141]

nen spends the entire game sitting in his high horse considering any attempt to question him as grave insult.

[bob3141]

He is the sort of person that fails to realise that if they are to busy in rl they shouldnt be committing to something like this. It migth be unfortunate but thats life.

When you make a commitment you either respect it or politely bow out

[bob3141]

so farkum you want to lynch yourself

[bob3141]

farkran you can nyl say your VCA is correct if the players you think are scum flip scum. Otherwise its simpl "i believe" and not "is"

[bob3141]

Farkran is not that simple.

Players can not believe you, believe you or believe that you do infact believe that. Plus a few others.

[bob3141]

lol has no one actualy posted for a day. Will get caught up on the last day later hopefully

[bob3141]

To claim out of nowhere and then use it to speculate on roles we have next to no evidence of existing?

That honestly seems very rudimentary and self explanatory to understand

So why would do you think a scum farkran would make such a role claim. If he was lying or infact a scum why do you think he woudl make this claim? And if he was a scum backup neighborizer why again do you think he would make the claim.

[bob3141]

Your sensibilities are proven wrong by facts listed in the archives though.

My sensibilities are about what games should be passed, rather than what games actually are. Of course I could be wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong in saying, for instance, that that bulletproof IC game wasn't balanced.

Yeah, the point however is that 1. unbalanced games DO pass the setup review, 2. my suggested setup for this game is not unbalanced.

I think we can move on from setup spec and try to determine what to do in either of these 3 scenarios, and see if there is any commong ground

1. My claim is true but i am a named townie
2. My claim is true and we are in a traitor setup
3. I am lying and scum

I dont know if you already mentioned this but if you are town what promted you decide to roleclaim?

[bob3141]

Ill take it from teh fact that you claim to be a backup. Thus if you are town you would beleive there to be one. So that so far adds up but how did you think it would narrow down the lynch pool?

As it migth in your opinion narrow down the lynch pool but considering if you are in fact town. Although in your opinion a player claiming neigbourizer might make you think they are town but since we dont know your alignment for sure. For instance i might be town reading you so far but there is still potential for you to be scum if my read on you was wrong. So my question was it purely to help you narrow down your own lynch pool or you to help us to narrow down the lynch pool collectively.

Also based on the fact that no one has claimed to be neighbourizer does it still help you narrow down your lynch pool.

[bob3141]

Looking at your claim i do find it odd. But at the same time if you were scum trying to set up your remaining partner wouldnt someone have claimed to be one. As what would be your advantage to claim a backup of role that simpyl doesnt exist.

If you were scum and we had a town neighbourizer wouldnt some have claimed. And from the wiki saying usualy backups are the same alignment as the role they back up to reduce swing. So its odd no one has claimed neighbourizer but at the same time i cant see why scum you would make such a claim now.

[bob3141]

I would be up for a flubber lynch after all during day one i had him and sheep as likely beign 2 of the scum.

VOTE: flubber

[bob3141]

i was in game once and someone lol hammered even though my vote was the one right below the VC. In gmae were we had 3 town lol hammers from 3 different players

[bob3141]

I am sorry to SS but i think all of his reasoning in this game hasn't been relevant.

Coming from the one who hard pushed both masons to a claim...

You need to take your ego down a notch or two.

I don't have strong townreads often, but when I do, I'm almost always right about them. January was killed because scum weren't afraid of me.

So are you saying farkran knew you were mason before you had to claim. If so what has made you come to that realisation?

[bob3141]

I'll review sheep's ISO when I get a chance (also Egix). Sheep didn't stick out to me much at all on my chrono catchup.

@tchill - I read sheep's ISO and I'm not seeing the problem with it that you do. Also I'm not thrilled that garmr's on him. I know that you came away from you v. garmr thinking TvT, but I'm not so sure.

Damn it Rabid, why you gotta have such bad associatives...

Since these are old posts. When did you find them and what does it make you feel about rabid?


And how has you read on flubber changed. Since you unvoted him shortly after he got to l-1. What has happened between flubber beign at l-2 and l-1 that has chnaged your opinion in him being the best lynch today. Since clearly putting someone upto l-2 must mean they are strong scum read of yours. Unless you are simply sheeping the vote.

[bob3141]

I'll review sheep's ISO when I get a chance (also Egix). Sheep didn't stick out to me much at all on my chrono catchup.

@tchill - I read sheep's ISO and I'm not seeing the problem with it that you do. Also I'm not thrilled that garmr's on him. I know that you came away from you v. garmr thinking TvT, but I'm not so sure.

Damn it Rabid, why you gotta have such bad associatives...

Since these are old posts. When did you find them and what does it make you feel about rabid?


And how has you read on flubber changed. Since you unvoted him shortly after he got to l-1. What has happened between flubber beign at l-2 and l-1 that has chnaged your opinion in him being the best lynch today. Since clearly putting someone upto l-2 must mean they are strong scum read of yours. Unless you are simply sheeping the vote.

Smart mentioning Rabid as one of his scumreads was what gave me the idea to look for mentions of Sheep's name in Rabid's ISO to see what his associations with Sheep were like. I don't really think that those posts alone are enough to fully condemn Rabid, but I can't really justify keeping him in my towncore any more.

The fact that Smart townreads Flubber, along with his reasoning for it, is what's giving me doubts about lynching him. The issue now though is that, as Farkran suggested, there's a chance that Smart is drinking the wrong wine because, considering that we caught Sheep using NKA, would scum!flubber really want to kill someone for having a correct read on him after that?

And I feel that {Far, Menal, me, you} is likely a pure wagon, so if Flubber is town, then what are scum doing?

{Flubber, Rabid} doesn't feel the best gamesolve right now but i wouldn't rule it out completely. I'd think {flubber, pp} might be the most likely (with pp being the traitor in this case), but at this point it's a bit reachy to say for sure. There are many others plausible solves, but ultimately at this point i'd never lynch me, SS, menalque and almost never egix. That leaves {flubber, pp, rabid, ben, bob}, but i wouldn't lynch bob today. I'd never buy a double bussing solve on sheep today, at least one of those outside his wagon must flip first.

So what about a flubber and rapid couldnt be the best solve. Know i scum read flubber but what excludes him from being potentially being rapid partner. I know i migth town read him but with talk about rapid being scum from a few players. You suddenly start saying he couldnt be scum with flubber. You dont say flubber couldnt be scum as you are pushing a flubber PP team. You may say there are other solves but thats the one your pushing.

You then go and talk about pp being a traitor. Not pontenial but being in a confirmatory manor. What makes you so sure PP must be a scum traitor. Is there anything leaving you to that conclusion out side of simply you claiming to be backup neighbourizer?

If you are town and if you are a backup why do you think you would have that role if your backup to scum role. Since you imply that in your reasoning for traitor.

[bob3141]

I'm waiting for Ben to come back and Menalque to out his new suggestion, otherwise the day is just stalling. Thinking introspectively, i think almost every player in this game has an insane amount of ego, which makes collaboration very hard. I'm not giving up my conviction that we must flip someone outside the sheeps wagon though, so... yeah.

lets all have biggest ego competion You dont have to keep it to simply ego about playing mafia scum

[bob3141]

I'll review sheep's ISO when I get a chance (also Egix). Sheep didn't stick out to me much at all on my chrono catchup.

@tchill - I read sheep's ISO and I'm not seeing the problem with it that you do. Also I'm not thrilled that garmr's on him. I know that you came away from you v. garmr thinking TvT, but I'm not so sure.

Damn it Rabid, why you gotta have such bad associatives...

Since these are old posts. When did you find them and what does it make you feel about rabid?


And how has you read on flubber changed. Since you unvoted him shortly after he got to l-1. What has happened between flubber beign at l-2 and l-1 that has chnaged your opinion in him being the best lynch today. Since clearly putting someone upto l-2 must mean they are strong scum read of yours. Unless you are simply sheeping the vote.

Smart mentioning Rabid as one of his scumreads was what gave me the idea to look for mentions of Sheep's name in Rabid's ISO to see what his associations with Sheep were like. I don't really think that those posts alone are enough to fully condemn Rabid, but I can't really justify keeping him in my towncore any more.

The fact that Smart townreads Flubber, along with his reasoning for it, is what's giving me doubts about lynching him. The issue now though is that, as Farkran suggested, there's a chance that Smart is drinking the wrong wine because, considering that we caught Sheep using NKA, would scum!flubber really want to kill someone for having a correct read on him after that?

And I feel that {Far, Menal, me, you} is likely a pure wagon, so if Flubber is town, then what are scum doing?

That certainly is confusing. If flubber is scum then why havnt scum tried to form a count wagon. We have flubber voting for PP but is alone vote. Either scum is waiting to join or scum is simply inactive. Then there is teh question why wouldnt flubber simply switch to next largest wagon. Which is ben.

Ive not seen flubber post much in regard to ben recently apart from a post saying he makes insane posts or quoting posts he was refered to in. So why wouldnt a scum flubber shift his vote to player if ben was town that he hasnt mentioned much of recently.

[bob3141]

So my reading of teh vote VCA its looking like if were rigth on flubber then ben could very well be his scum partner. Why else woudl a scum flubber not move to ben if he was town. After all if scum move the wagon from one scum wagon to another what do they gain. Is making me think that they are trying to move. A bit similar to one of the games i just finished. were we had 2 scum players both being voted up and the lynch moved to towny. Followed by teh same thign happening next day where attempt was made to move but when it stuck they just bussed one of them.

But at the same time ben could still be town and they simply prefer to lynch someone else. Which would leave me to beleive that if flubber is scum then pp must be town. After all one of teh posts flubber posted with ben in was one of farks. Where fark is talking about always lynch pp. And that pp could be traitor. Either fark is scum with flubber and his vote is bus. Or based on fact im town reading fark that flubber is simply hopign to use that. Why stoke up fark if farkran is actualy town and PP was his scum partner.

[bob3141]

But then again why remain on PP after the only confirmed townie votes up rapid. One of flubbers ealier scum reads. Yet hasnt voted for rapid yet even though he has been trying to convince farkran to move his vote to rapid.

Flubber if you scum read rapid shouldnt you move you vote to him before convincing someone extra to join you. After all if he is scum if you were to put more pressure on him wouldnt you one make it more liekly he would make a mistake give off scum teals for others to see and two infact make his lynch more liekly as if you are town wouldnt it in your eyes to make sure the second confirmed townie in you pov isnt lynched. As in your pov if you are in fact a townie you would be confirmed town to youself

[bob3141]

Bob can I get a readslist pls

Well snap shot of my reads at the moment are.

smart, rapid and pp im feeling are town at the moment. Will have to see how that changes with titus entry


my poe for today is flubber, ben and egix

[bob3141]

By the way, i already said i'm not opposed to a farkran lynch - it would still be useful to confirm what it's already a fact to me.

We can afford 3 mislynches before we lose. As long as you do flubber and PP after me, i'm ok dying today.

Why would you contemplate your own mislynch if you are actauly town. If you are town then teh last thing you woudl want is your own lynch. as from you pov if town and not scum your confirmed town.

[bob3141]

ffs

VOTE: Titus

Why do you agree with menal. I see menal in earlier posts has said he beleives the scum team to be egix titus/flubber. But you seem very happy to vote him as soon as he switchs off egix.

[bob3141]

I invited bob to my party

I can confirm this

[bob3141]

Amrun how is your catch up going. Very much interested to hear your views because as it stands the slot you took had very little activity. So you catch up will be very helpful in reading you. Dont want another lurker slot to get to lylo only for it to be revealed as scum when it end games all us townies.

So armum who do you think could be sheeps and rapids partner? and who are you sure are townies?

[bob3141]

looking back at sheeps lynch

Egix96 , Farkran , t, s , bob3141 , benhalkum

With PP and flubber off teh wagon.

Since i know i am town and that im currently town reading farkan. Was town reading him before his roleclaim. And although he did claim a backup to a scum role I cant see the benifit to scum having a backup to a role after the first version was outed. I would have thought if he was scum he would have kept quite as announcing you are backup to a role that you know would flip scum woudlnt look great.

So that leaves poe egix and ben/armum if sheep was bussed by rest of his team

And a poe if only one scum was actualy on sheep. with the poe there being PP and flubber

[bob3141]

Titus (5): Menalque 2837, PenguinPower 2838, Something_Smart 2842, Farkran 2858, Titus 2876 LYNCH!
Farkran (2): Flubbernugget 2757, Amrun 2854
PenguinPower (1): Egix96 2780
Egix96 (1): Titus 2735
Flubbernugget (1): bob3141 2508

Then we have the titus lynch who was the replacement to rapid.

Of the those in the earlier in the two poe based on teh sheep lynch only pp was on that wagon. So if titus was bused i can only contemplate that it could PP. Yet would PP buss his partner titus and not the ealier lynch of sheep. And so far my read on PP is that he is townie than the other 3 players remaining in my poe at the moment.

So we have flubber off both scum wagons
egix on sheep but not rapid
amrun only on sheep but vote was blank hammer on sheep. When we had one more player scum reading sheep at that point who hadnt voted. Who is now a confirmed townie.
then PP not on sheep but on rapid. After he had sheeped menal first onto egix and then rapid. But since for pp to be scum egix must be town. Would scum be so earger to quickly follow menal onto a bus on his partner. Rather than just loiter on egix.
egix on sheep but not

[bob3141]

So before then egix what did you think there interactions meant for both there alignments? and how did that change from what it was to the now beleif you claim to think thats its TvT. As since clearly they must have somethign else before for you know to think they are TvT

[bob3141]

What about that spew as you put it, changed your mind. What from teh dead scums spew made you think it was tvt that you couldnt see before.

[bob3141]

So egix what makes you think that 2 scum players voting for ben makes you come to the conclusion that he couldnt possibly be scum. What in his play makes you think they simply couldnt of been bussing him.

To often ive seen scum get to far because they did x or scum did x. Only for them to flip scum when there play on its own was scummy.

I think from bens lack of engagement we can only judge that slot on what armum does

[bob3141]

Shitposting is a lot easier than making mafia posts

So are you saying the reason you cant be scum is that you are simply shit posting. If so, what makes your posts shit posting as town rather than scum shit posting to avoid appearing not to scum hunt.

[bob3141]

currently catching up. On plus side last 50 hour week for quite a while.

[bob3141]

bob

Just as little posting as that one. Only reason he ended up posting in his last game was because I didnt let him. Can any one actualy say they pushed ben this game and didnt simply let him get away with barley posting. I think thats the main difference this game.


After day 2 he didnt post anything game relevant before finaly being replaced by you. So i think its a good thing he got replaced. With so few posts to judge its quite hard to judge his alignment and after last game one thing i didnt want to do is go through aggravation of having to question with his slot. To get an idea of what his alignment is.

[bob3141]

Even if his attempts to be abusive were absurd. Even goign so far to reference that film because he actualy though my name was bob, clearly. And his over the top foul comments after i quite rightly pointed out he was no where near confirmed townie. At taht point i had decided if ben was scum the rest of the town town can go though hasle of finding it out. With me washing my hands of that slot.

[bob3141]

bob

Just as little posting as that one. Only reason he ended up posting in his last game was because I didnt let him. Can any one actualy say they pushed ben this game and didnt simply let him get away with barley posting. I think thats the main difference this game.


After day 2 he didnt post anything game relevant before finaly being replaced by you. So i think its a good thing he got replaced. With so few posts to judge its quite hard to judge his alignment and after last game one thing i didnt want to do is go through aggravation of having to question with his slot. To get an idea of what his alignment is.

Last game, as scum, he had a lot to say and a lot of stances to take. He was still not a frequent poster but it wasn’t difficult for him to fabricate stances at all. Don’t you agree?

He just quoted his old posted again and again. Why i started pushing him harder. As i got irritated that in reponse to my questions on his reads he just posted the post i was questioning


armum if you look back though that game what stance did ben make?

All you see is him either just quoting his old posts or just saying its him its him. He never fabricated anything, you all just beleived him because he kept wanting to vote pret. When he knew the vote asnt goign through. he never said why. Thats why he kept stickign out to me as scum. The only reason i town read him for bit is that i foolishly beleive scum woudlnt be that suicidal in response to my questioning. If i hadnt of died either that last day would have ended in no lynch or bens lynch

[bob3141]

Why i will be judging that slot by your actions. With only 44 posts of which half were him complaining about one thing or another. All we have is 2 lol hammers of which one was on scum and one town.

Was he scum lol hammering garmr or town trying to avoid no lynch. Yet he never made a stance on garmr. Neither that he agreed he had good chance of being scum nor said he was against it as he thought he was town. On gamr he had no view.

on sheep he hammered him when it was clear sheeps lynch was happening. as it was at l-1 and smart had already said he was interested in sheep lynch.

Now are thse scum indicative or simply a town player barley playing. With more posts maybe be but with as few as he had. And how often he went on vla that game.

[bob3141]

Armum didnt you scum read me last game. causing you to drop guarding me at nigth even though i was prety much confirmed and instead guard the scum. Who was rather obvously scum

[bob3141]

@bob: death tunneling Pret is still a stance. And yes he was much more confrontational as opposed to this game. That’s kind of my point.

I was only asking to try to sort you but your stance seems internally consistent.

Death tunnelling isnt a stance if it has no substance. Last game he just kept shouting pret. But if you look at that game there simply no substance to it. Just liek his votes on garmr and sheep. No real substance the onyl real difference is that he got very confrontantional when I spotted his vanity voting and wanting him to publicly make a choice. A choice between a50, sald and pret. Which when a50 flipped shoudl of made it clear to anyone left alive he was scum.

This game very one just ignored him. If no one pushes him he aint going to get confrontational is he. So naturaly he would play different.


You say ben being less confortantional this game makes him town. How exactly does that clear him.


If you are town you know his alighment but if you are town can you honestly say he did anything townie. All i can see him half way through day one onward is very little scum hunting. What he largley said that he is town. And because he claims he is town scum must be on his wagon. Of which we now know there was. But if he is scum he would naturaly know that and if he was town again it would simply be meaningless. We know know rapid is scum and although pushing ben allot of teh game. Is that no different to what ben did last game to pret. And if you slot is town his push was a bit meaningless as he never went into how rapid pushes on him made him scum. Just that he was pushing. Now is this scum trying to look townie by preemptively pointing out soem he knows is scum is pushing him or simpyl town being omgusy. And if the latter ultimately right.

Mixed with very little substance to determine which of the two possibilities reading his slot either way from ben alone is rather bad. And is sort of thign that allowed scum to win in teh last game



This is the very same sort of logic that cause teh rest of town last game to town read him.

And what is my stance exactly?

[bob3141]

My reads based on game dynamic leave me beleiving that flubber, egix and sheep have higest scum equity

We have two claimed masons and I belive their claims as I was town reading smart before his claim. Baring any more pr claims that would leave it clear that either they are lying or the new pr claims would be false. So for now i concider the wagons on luv and smart to be town players that have each got wagon of 4.

We have egix, sheep and farkum on smart
flubber, pp, rapid and farkum- on luv
With rapid PP and sheep shwoing up on garms wagon. Im town reading menal and not quite sure what to make of ben.

We also have the egix wagon that has flubber,sheep and PP

bob has big posts and im barely reading them but i do think theyre genuine or legitimate thoughts he's been having

Thats quite an easy thing to say. You say you think my posts are genuine but dont mention anythign about if you agree or disagree with them. Feels like your trying to avoid commenting on them in the hopes they get swept under the carpet all teh while tryign to look like you simply arnt ignoring them. as they point to 3 players of which you are one

VOTE: sheep

This is basically the entirety of his progression on sheep. The first post here is the first one to mention a scumread on sheep that I can tell. He never voted him, yet he had voted the other 2 in his list.

Second post is, ironically, bob pointing out a good buddy tell from sheep, but it kind of went both ways at that point.


And then the first time he voted sheep it was at tail end of wagon, prime buddyspot.

Despite asking almost identical questions to Rabid and sheep, and seemingly having similar issues with them, he scumread sheep and townread Rabid, and totally sidestepped Titus wagon with almost no comment.

A strange narative. You basicly miss out my entire vote count anlaysis

That was already strongly pointign to a scum pool of egix, flubber and sheep. I was quite clear at teh time my scum read was first flubber followed by jointly egix and sheep.

You infact start your quotes rigth after that. Missing it all out. As if you did wnat it to be raised. To peoples attentions that i had an ongoing path towards a sheep lynch.


Feels very much liek deliberate miss rep and not like your last game

[bob3141]

now armum you decided to only quote one posts of my VCA.

What was your slots progression on sheep? Hammering when my vote made sheeps lynch a full gone conclusion.

[bob3141]

I don’t think Ben behaved pro-town in any fashion. I just think it was a significant departure from his recent scumgame that I immediately keyed into it (and was the recent I agreed to take the slot) and assumed you would too, bob.

P-edit: yes there was stuff in the middle. Everyone can (and should) ISO you to check that out. I thought the VCA was pretty good, actually! But your original scumread of sheep came out of nowhere and your actual position on the wagon is poor. And OMGUS saying “no your position was bad!” doesn’t help.

A different style does not mean different alignment. That a meta trap you need to be careful off. I judge a player based on what he does in game and if that justified a town or scum read. And not as you seem to think everyoen shoudl do is that x did y. So if x didnt do y he must scum. While truth is that x did z so he could be scum or town based on meta. But based on This game what does it look like. It looks to me liek someone layign low. But due to his lack of posts, half of luvs. Its even hard to tell if he is town lurking or scum lying low as the rest of teh town are simply letting him.

And from my experiance i was hoping anotehr townie would deal with questioning ben. As he was to much agro last game and i was realy hoping he would replace out as I just didnt feel like playing in teh game. espcially during my compulsory overtime. With me working 50 hour weeks while stuck in two other games that i thought would eitehr end sooner or i would be night killed. So was over extended.


Now armum let me ask you what on my position makes it bad. In game a repped into i was shocked to see a player that was obvous scum getting town read as he was first on both scum wagons. He had no scum huntign to get there and was just sitting on them shooting lets get them. He managed to get to lylo before he finaly got lynched.

Now that sort of fact actual leans in your slots favour. Why i havnt cast judgement based on ben yet. As he coudl simply of been town not carring and simply wanted to hammer who ever was going. Or scum trying to avoid a roelclaim. What you shoudl be asking is do there votes look natural. Was pp and flubber trying to avoid beign on teh sheep wagon. In fear of tipping it over teh edge as i had already declared he was in my top 3 scum reads.

Now he migth of not been the strongest of scum reads at the time. That being flubber but did i hesitated at all to vote for him when my joint second scum read got voted up.

[bob3141]

was egix a bus that went wrong or simply town votign for his scum read to avoid his own lynch of which he would if town know himself to be confirmed town. Now these are question worth asking just as you asking about my vote is legitimate avenue for enquiry. You say it felt liek it came out of no where. yet does that mean it came from no where or the natural result of a thought progression. You should see how little i posted in my other town game with garmr. Where i spotted garmr with meta read and only made a few posts on it.



Now if egix killed menal was it to avoid his lynch teh next day. Or was he killed to get us to lynch egix. If egix is town I feel it likely scums already on him or trying to entirely avoid teh wagon

[bob3141]

And yet, you aren't applying it to me.

Menalque was 75% on you being town which was actually, like, worse than random, if that's what you're referring to.

Like I'm sure he wasn't thinking about it that hard but being 75% sure someone is town when you're looking for one scum in five people is actually a mild scumlean.

...or he specifically said that he thought I was town, and I would be a complete moron to keep tunnel!Fark alive over him if I wanted to survive today. But ok.

So are you saying the fact that fark is alive means you cant possibly be scum. Yet doesnt the very mentioning of that slightly undermine that very stance. As how do we know that you didnt kill fark as it would one look very bad for you if you did. Frak turns up dead and naturaly due to farks tunnel you would be centre stage. Or two in the hopes that we take that to mean you are surely town as opposed to actualy being scum. All you would need to do is ensure the lynch of another player. Then you could safely kill fark in the night under the cover that scum must of killed him due to gaining the scum pr.

Even you push that that menal death means your town is dubious after all how do we not know your scum after the mislynch of egix. While all the while trying to hide under a false narrative of you cant possibly be scum as menal was nk over farkran.

But the question is does a scum you simply kill smart instead of menal. But what would you do about menal and fark. Menal was towning reading fark strongly so you keeping menal alive would prevent fark being lynched. Meaning a scum you woudl either have to kill menal first or nk farkran. But that leaves you going into 3 player lylo. and i cant see you trying to take menal into that after he has just burned through his poe and struck a miss.

You placement on titus would even help this narrative. as farkran has pointed out it looks to good. You even jumped on it without hesitation. Voting rapid the very next vote. Now scum knows who scum are. So if your there thinking you were off the sheep lynch and it would be bad if rapid got lycnhed without you. Wouldnt you follow menal with a moment pause, especially if you plan on killing him. At that satge you might not want a rapid lynch but you assure you end up in good position even if it does go through.

[bob3141]

So armum is the only reason you want to lynch me is that you simply dont think you could tell if i was town or scum. As the realy the only points you have made against me could be used against quite few different players.

e.g. you say scum would bus once and not again. But on scum egix has the same vote record. Even you slot is the same although if you are town you have benifit of knowing your alignment. In fact your logic seems to be very much thats what you would do as scum.

Then you have the flip side of flubber who simply hasnt lynched scum once. Yet is very much happy to lynch egix, when a menal kill means either egix is scum and knew an alive menal would cause his lynch the next day. Resulting in scum loss. Or that he was killed because egix is town and scum want us to lynch egix but not risk menal changing his mind and lynching them.

Then you have PP who never voted up sheep but rapid. Are you realy saying scum would avoid bussing and then bus there partner later. Especialy with the gamestate were they could serously distance themseves. If he is scum he knows that rapid is scum and will have a great position if his floip does happen and there always being a small chance menal flips to someone else before the end of the day. Win/win for scum. Then we have a menal kill who at first it looks like why would some who was town reading kill a player who was sure on one scum read, egix. If egix is in fact town could scum PP really garante that menal wouldnt coil round and bit him.

So if egix isnt scum then who out the remainign players that arnt 100% confirmed is it. The list fark, PP, Flubber, bob, armum.

Now if egix is infact scum and im wrong. Well that list with 2 scum dead naturaly means that lists is all town and we all win together.

Now I know im am town so that leaves fark, PP, flubber and armum

Now i currently think fark is town. One thing for sure is his role claim is correct. I find it odd that PP would shade ealier when his role is 100% confirmed. With it beign that his alignment either way isnt confirmed outside of what ever read you have of him. Unlike smart who is confirmed role and alignment.

That leaves PP, flubber and armum.

Now im currently thinking your teh most likely town of th3 3. Even if you are again appearing to make bad reads. After all you still werent convinced that i was town, when i was near defecto confirm town last game . I do hope your not mistaking me being concise when i was playing 3 other games. as i thought i would be dead in one. All the while in my bussy period at work were i work 5 days a week with each beign 10 and half ours long. Luckily only ended up beign half day that first tuesday so coudl post a bit. But come weds to fridays I have pleanty of time at work to think about it but little time to do a write up. Look in all my games and weds and thursay is where my activity is near nonexistent unless a crunch moment

That leaves flubber and pp in my poe.

Now fark has pointed some interestign things about PP but i still beleive my read on flubber was right.

So prefered order for todays lynch flubber > PP

[bob3141]

VOTE: flubber

[bob3141]

Bob, can you summarize in a few sentences why you townread Egix? Not gonna lie, digging through your ISO isn't exactly easy.

He was different from his scum game once cornered. In that game he talked allot once he was cornered. But this game his analysis this day phase has been looking very townie and vastly different to that game. I just couldnt see this phase egix being scum as the gamestate was just not adding up to that. Which makes me think the egix wagon was very suspect.

We have you confirmed town. And that leaves flubber, PP and fark. And every way i look at this game phase i cant see scum not beign on that wagon.

So its got to be either flubber or PP. Most likely flubber unless farks been playing me.

[bob3141]

Ty.

Can you guys talk me through why you don't think bob is scum? All three of you, really.

You know pp and bob are the final lynches of the game. Why are you asking this?

Is anyone willing to lynch fark atm?

I think this quite odd. First you say PP and me shoudl be the last mislynches. Then in the very next post you raise the prospect of a fark lynch. Feels very much like your trying to increase the pool were a scum you could mislynch. If you were town you would be trying to either narrow it down or Give an order of you reads from scummiest to least scummy. With your read on who the last scum is squarely on top. With additional reads based on if that player infact flips town.

Yet instead you push for the last 2 votes to be any of those there. In fact you were pushing teh last 2 lynches to be anyone but you and the confirmed mason.


VOTE: Flubber

I cant see the last scum being not being you.

Apart from you we have me, smart, PP and fark alive.

smart is confirmed town and i know im town.

That leaves PP and fark.

Now of those two its a difficult choice. Both on the face of it look much more townie than flubber. Although PP could be scum playing a high risk gambit just like scum not making 2 night kills. For him to be scum he woudl have to intended his play to be read as "couldnt be scum". Then we have fark who although we know his role his alignment is not 100% know. Now for fark to be scum he would have to be a backup mafia niegbourizer and in fact been gambitting for rapid mislynch. So that we would see the scum neighbourizer flip and think that although most backups are the same alignement. that we would think that scum would have a backup to such a role. Added to fact no one has said that they were neighbourized by rapid. So for fark to be scum the scum would have to had waited for them to find who town read their back neighbourizer. And then get the back up to neigbourizer that town read so they could us it to convince them of there scum reads.



For any of those two possibilities to be the case flubber you woudl have to be town and i just cant see that.

[bob3141]

I cant see any attempt at smart town reading you. His last post said only fark was his only confident town read. Why wouldnt smart say he hard town read you anlong with saying fark is his only confident town read

[bob3141]

S_S has been hard townreading flubber and been transparent about it, and tried to direct us away from Flubber on to you.

I just cant see town having 3 masons and neap. If smart confirms flubber then this game is very town sided.

only other time i was in game with 3 masons the only other town pr was a motion detector. and that was vs 3 goons

[bob3141]

Ty.

Can you guys talk me through why you don't think bob is scum? All three of you, really.

You know pp and bob are the final lynches of the game. Why are you asking this?

I literally just said I'm only lynching bob/pp and you think I'm so fucking stupid id do a flip on that in thirty seconds?

That's dunning kruger as fuck

Pedit pp thanks I came up with it myself

Pedit bob shut up and get in line for the rope

Are youreally suprised i would mention you odd riasing of does any want to lynch fark. As what you infact wrote. If you were asking if any one was interested in lynching fark and not from the intent of pushign his lynch. Then you woudl have asked does anyone even want to lynch fark

s anyone willing to lynch fark atm?" means you are asking if anyone wants to lynch him with you

just like

"s anyone willing to go to a theme park?" you asking if anyone wants to go with you

[bob3141]

and flubber do you think its really appropriate to just insult people. Flubber that sort of behaviour is rather pathetic.

I just hope after you lynch me if you are in fact town that you actualy lynch right in lylo

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:

Even how scummy flubber has been all game i dont get why scum him would claim that now and not wait till smart is dead.

3 mason and even night neap. Thats 3 mason clears plus the neap and if teh neap hadnt been killed n1. Your talking either 5 clears by day 3. or 4 clears and one guilty. If neap got to day 5 thats 6 clears or 5 and one guilty.

vs 5 max scum kills. if scum hadnt been lucky and hit neap n1. This game could of been auto from the get go

[bob3141]

I don't want a lolhammer, can one of you unvote please

smart if flubber is your mason buddy you should of claimed then. You have confimed town to you at l-1. You simply say he is a mason and since your a know mason. He is cleared straight away.


Not saying anything risks in your pov getting your mason buddy lynched even though scum is already on it. Town lol hammers still happen and happen far to often. Very few players actualy check the vote count before voting. Especially not those who are sure that player is the last scum.

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:

Even how scummy flubber has been all game i dont get why scum him would claim that now and not wait till smart is dead.

3 mason and even night neap. Thats 3 mason clears plus the neap and if teh neap hadnt been killed n1. Your talking either 5 clears by day 3. or 4 clears and one guilty. If neap got to day 5 thats 6 clears or 5 and one guilty.

vs 5 max scum kills. if scum hadnt been lucky and hit neap n1. This game could of been auto from the get go

Yeah somethings not adding up

nep gets vannilla or not vannilla.

thus with 2 masons outed day by night 2. Thats 10 townies to check. if no scum lynched then thats 30% chance to hit scum and 50% to 70% chance to get vt. so 50-70 chance to get clear and 30% a guilty. (as with claimed roles only 2 woudl return not vannila townie.

neap although doesnt get guilties, it can easily get clears.

at most there are 5 nights in a game. so scum can only get a max of 5 night kills. neap reachs day 3 and gets a clear. And if no mason was hit. thats 5 clears.

As scum have to kill neap. which confirms one guy. if mason then dies a second mason is confirmed.

At that point with 3 night kills left you have 5 clears leaving lylo as one scum and 2 clears.

[bob3141]

so scum has to hit a mason or neap in the first 2 nights or its prety much game over.

in my mason game with garmr we wernt outed till day 3. The det wasnt outed untill next day i beleive.

[bob3141]

if flubber is mason that leaves from my pov

only fark and pp that can be scum. And of the two i think fark is least likely scum. In teh neigbourhood he gives me a very towny vib

and for him to be scum he would ahve to be multitasking either just multitaskign back up neb or with somethign added to give scum more power. But my read on him just doenst feel that way



VOTE: pp

[bob3141]

PP i suprised you thought you were hammered as you would know that a vote dont count unless in vote tags or bolded. Thus you would know that you were infact not hammered. Makes me think that you just spotted that flubber had done his vote properly and fearing he would simply fix his vote. You simply decided to act out. Though from my experiance of you, even if you had been hammered. This is exactly what you would do as scum. I still remember the last time you trolled the town. Last time you fooled me to thinking you were town. When in fact you were just scum trying to have little fun.

[bob3141]

PP i suprised you thought you were hammered as you would know that a vote dont count unless in vote tags or bolded. Thus you would know that you were infact not hammered. Makes me think that you just spotted that flubber had done his vote properly and fearing he would simply fix his vote. You simply decided to act out. Though from my experiance of you, even if you had been hammered. This is exactly what you would do as scum. I still remember the last time you trolled the town. Last time you fooled me to thinking you were town. When in fact you were just scum trying to have little fun.

1.) That’s not actually true. I would have counted that under my rule set.
3.) What game are you referring to?

the game gobble quick hammered you. You claimed town neap after his hammer. When you wer scum neap. Causing a length discussion based on your flip being town. Dont you remember teh dance party at your wake

[bob3141]

ok so either pp is scum gambling on tris actualy not counting that vote. As although he would have counted he is trying to act town outrageously lolhammered just like he did in gordens ramseys cook off. (noms moded game) Or is in fact town and fark just saw a possible opportunity to lolhammer all the while claiming he thought pp was still just on l-2.

Still leaning on pp being mostly likely scum of the two as I just dont trust PP twlight claims. He certainly knows how to act towny that has just been lol hammered when he is scum. whats the saying fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

[bob3141]

flubber and smart are you there

[bob3141]

Yep this must be PP trolling again. Last time he was scum his trolling sparked aroudn 250 plus post twlight. Back then in twlight i did big anlysis that was worthless as it centred around the false fact that PP was town. Though it did show that skitter was 100% town even if the vig didnt agree. We still won though.

I cant see PP not being scum unless fark is multi tasking back up something. Scum must have somesort of other role. As how could 2 masons a back up mason and 1/2 neap plus back up town neigbourizer be balanced vs scum neigbourizer. 2 masons and a backup act teh same as 3 masons once the first has died. See how pp was always getting on fark for suggesting there was a role cop. Which makes me think PP was a scum power role. That saw that and didnt want us to be looking for a scum rolecop.

As i just cant see fark being scum over PP. As although fark is a backup to a scum roel and most backups are teh same alignement. Imagine how swingy it would make if the scum had a backup to our neap. Night one we would of lost our neap when thcill died and scum would of gained a neap. And in that unbalanced case it woudl leave scum down power if they didnt manage to hit our neap.

[bob3141]

fark you shoudl look at pp trollign in noms game.

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thats when his lynch happened

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when he was hammered

[bob3141]

Your trolling that game was really good. Though i must admit with your lynch and all you are beign a bit lackluster. From that game i woudl expect more but i cant tell if your just trolling scum trying to trick us in new way.

But if you are infact town. That means it can only possiblybe fark then. Would make sense why he neigbhourized me. Someone who was already town reading over the confirmed townie or any other player. At teh time i was wonderign why he neighbourized me over the confirmed town smart. Smart woudl be useless to him unlike a player that was town reading him. Allowing him to direct their scum reads. As for town neigbhourizing smart woudl be better as that way you can talk privatly with confirmed town rather than a player. That although he claims to have town read ultimatly isnt confirmed like smart

[bob3141]

Woudl make sense then if fark is multi tasking back up neigbhourizer something.

Even if he is just a backup the multitasking would help mitigate losing a scum partner without losing the ability. Or if he does have an extra role it allows him to neigbourize and use his main ability at the same time. Or even kill.

As can we realy say neigbhourizer is strong role unless they could use it to pocket a townie. Since nobody claims to ahev been in neigbhourhood with rapid. I wonder why he would use it unless they were gambling that we would see teh backup claim and think it was town. Maybe even think they were both town.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Fark

I cant see town having 3 masons, 1 1/2 neap and back up neigbhourier

Can you honestly say thats balanced. You would need avery powerful second role for fark to be town. And no game ever has role like that

[bob3141]

I can see fark being multi to allow him to still use his role. If he was the last scum being back up neigbhourizer would be prety useless

So im guessing its to balance that out. So that he can still kill should he be last.


Also think about it smart why woudl i kill flubber. Of the two of you flubebr was the more open about fark being multi tasking scum. Thus fark woudl kill flubber 100% of teh time and never you.

[bob3141]

I was right this time, bob.


Sorry town for my abysmal catch up speed. At least I made up for it by having OK reads and eating an NK for it and not being mislynch bait in LyLo (which is what I was afraid of).

hoped no one would notice by accelerated read on sheep. It wasnt short progression but the fact as town i would of dragged it out more.

Notice how i never said you were wrong armum

[bob3141]

To think i nearly outed myself nigth 1. With me posting a scum private post in the wrong thread lol.

[bob3141]

If flubber hadnt flipped mason. I think we would of won as i was usign teh neighbour thread to reinforce farks reads on flubber and PP.

With that neap i wasnt expecting anything near as strong as defacto 3rd mason. Maybe a weak power role but nothing to save him

[bob3141]

if armum had been alive. I would have been lynched in the last 5.

I was expecting the last role to be something as strong as a vannilla cop. Something that realy wasnt a threat. So was worth the risk ensuring i had your ear

[bob3141]

I dont get why this game had backup mason. Its actualy stronger than 3 masons.

You dont have ongoing hints of 3 masons. And since only 2 masons will out themselves at once, its ineffect the same. Its a very strong role that can blindside you

we had naighbourizer that is in effect a scum claim. Especially with the 3rd mason beign outed. So we had no pr roles to use. And even farkrans role was town pr. Even if it did aid me

[bob3141]

if town hadnt of had a neap then i would of killed smart that night

[bob3141]

in my second game on this site which was spin on freinds and enemies. it was 15 player game with 3 masons and motion detector vs 3 goons.

[bob3141]

But once the masons are outed it becomes a full clearing role. And even then it requires the masons not to be outed before day 3.

So if someone else had been the neap and not tchill. Then left alive we would have 4 cleared roles in 9 players. One of which is farks role. If scum neighbouizer flips the backup will be taken as cleared in lylo.

Another cleared roled and its game over so neap dies night 3. as scum dont know he is even days.


Now we killed neap nigth 1 but would you expect scum to be looking town combo that could potentialy give 5 clears in 9 players. As ive been in games were scum failed to hit a single pr in the first 2 days and nights.


It had 50% chance of getting full clear if not killed by day 3. If the mason is killed night 2. Then you still end up with min one cleared role in lylo


The power in neap inst in the guilties but the clears. So by having so many easy clears for town almost all scum kills are dictated.

[bob3141]

its 6 and 3. In the case of no pr being outed.

Thats a straight 33% chance of game over there.
Now if a backup or scum is lynched before then. In this case sheep.

thats 5 to 3 its up to 38% game is in auto.

So thats 38% auto

oh and for instance in this game if tchill had surived to day 3 he would have had 100% chance as he had vt role claim to check.

If we had killed menal. Tchill woudl have cleared armum slot. Leaving it fark, menal and me.