Large Normal 223 | New Beginnings | GAME OVER

[Hectic]

Assuming you're town:
I'd like to say I'd have tried to keep you alive if I knew you were eth0s, but probably not, never seen you do these kind of gambits as town.
Nice RP though.

[Hectic]

SO YOU ARE DOCTOR WATSON?!

Nah lol, just a friend I managed to convince to copy-paste my town roleblocker posts.
No idea why he agreed to it, and then decided to explain it away as some form of "test" for you.

[Hectic]

@Hop:
Not really my fault.
I'm scumreading Kop, think I was scumreading Titus when I looked through their ISO yesterday. Nothing comes to mind on Eevee right now.

[Hectic]

So this means Bob and Billy are confirmed town, correct?

[Hectic]

I have a whole semi-ISO analysis on Titus yesterday iirc, and I must've commented on Kop and Garmr.

[Hectic]

Eevee's a void in my wiki.

[Hectic]

Mass claiming time?

[Hectic]

I'm sure I ISOed and commented on Titus, though maybe it was Texcat.
I'll look for it later.

[Hectic]

Not as much as I thought but it's post 160 to 163 in my ISO.

@Hop: What's your read on me right now?

[Hectic]

That's amazing. I am forever in your debt, Texcat.

Titus' stance on profii is really odd. Like I get considering the possibility that he could be scum with a traitor in a neighbourhood, but thinking it's likely the case is dubious to say the least.

@Titus: Why'd you vote for Garmr late on yesterday? Earlier, you said he does crazy stuff as town and that you'd very surprised if he flipped scum.

There's this if that's what you mean.

Were you aware this and the posts surrounding it existed when you mentioned me ignoring/supporting that group of people?

[Hectic]

Eevee, Titus, and Garner probably have 2 scum in them, then the last scum is a deep wolf somewhere

That's 4 scum.

[Hectic]

Not as much as I thought but it's post 160 to 163 in my ISO.

@Hop: What's your read on me right now?

I have a reasonable reason to townread you based on

reasons

Interactions with likely scum + POE make me concerned. I'd lynch other people first (Eevee, Titus, Garmr).
If Garmr or you are scum then you're probably both scum. Garmr's interactions with you feel different to how he interacts (much more aggressively) with most of the thread.

Currently more likely scum than town on the aggregate.

What's your read on me right now?

Interesting.
Considering reasons, I'm getting massive alarm bells from your flip on me, though I'm currently failing to see the scum-motivation for it.

[Hectic]

Actually, scum-motivation I could see is that you're afraid people would scumread you for your constant buddying of me that you can't really backup. Or, you're setting me up for a lynch further down the road, so you're lowering your read on me a little now instead of doing a complete flip on me 2 days from now.

[Hectic]

A mixture. That and you appeared to be solving/scumhunting, and your memeing early on turning into more serious play rate was consistent with past town games.

[Hectic]

Gonna have to play this mostly in the moment. Not really gonna have the time to reread stuff since editing season is here and the wiki needs my 220wpm.
So here's some gutreads based on memory:
{Kop, Rick, Titus}
{Texcat, Eevee}
{Garmr, AaronFrost, Hopkirk}
{the confirmed}

[Hectic]

Never mind, this is terrible, can't really explain my reads for half of those.

[Hectic]

Given how you reacted to the buddying from 'A' then other day (instant lockscum) I was getting surprised how strongly you townread me unless you assumed I was just memeing with my entire read on you.

The buddying from A was extremely artificial and had no good reasons. And there were times where I asked him to give me chancellor/or vote Ja for my presidency since he townreads me, and I'd see annoyance/reluctance from him but he had to do it because he "townread me".
I didn't think you were memeing, I just thought you were using R.

[Hectic]

Never mind, this is terrible, can't really explain my reads for half of those.

@Carcalilly:

Help and I'll give you a nice wiki edit.

[Hectic]

I'm thinking 4 of (Eevee, Titus, Garmr, Hectic, Kop) as scumteam.

Great then help me bus. Garmr fake claim is to let him coast.

Why is Garmr scum again? Last I recall, people were townreading him for his wildly erratic behaviour.

[Hectic]

I think Hopkirk might be scum here actually. Bump him up by 1.2ish on my reads list.
Just can't understand the reasoning for your flip considering the strength of J.

[Hectic]

J being R that is.

[Hectic]

Wait, we have a doc claim. We had one pr that wasnt suspected (Profii) Why is the doc believable?

Also, mass claim happens now.

I want Rick and Titus first.

I believe Rick claimed doc

@Rick: Remind me if you have any modifiers?

[Hectic]

I think Hopkirk and Hectic are likely scum together. Hop's been very inconsistent with his read on Hectic, from assuring us he's town to now being worried about him out of nowhere.

Remaining scum most likely lies in {tex, Garmr, Titus, Eevee}.

I agree with Garmr and Rick claiming their results today.

We mass claiming today?

Why does his weird read on me implicate me?

[Hectic]

R being?

R being the tell.

[Hectic]

What's your scumpool, Eevee?

[Hectic]

I think Hopkirk and Hectic are likely scum together. Hop's been very inconsistent with his read on Hectic, from assuring us he's town to now being worried about him out of nowhere.

Remaining scum most likely lies in {tex, Garmr, Titus, Eevee}.

I agree with Garmr and Rick claiming their results today.

We mass claiming today?

Why does his weird read on me implicate me?

Also, why do you think scum!Hectic and scum!Hopkirk are now semi-scumleaning each other, when they could've carried on townreading each other and pushing mislynches?

[Hectic]

R being?

R being the tell.

^Hop has a tell on me.

[Hectic]

R being?

R being the tell.

Oh, why didn't you use a codeword like 'eyebrows' that I'd have known meant the tell.

You did some d1, but didn't do that much of it when you started posting later on in the game.

Though in this case I mean "the tell".

[Hectic]

Did you still not get the sig working btw Hectic?

Nah, got it working. Maybe I should show off my shiny scum record.

[Hectic]

I'm thinking 4 of (Eevee, Titus, Garmr, Hectic, Kop) as scumteam.

What're your reads on Rick and Texcat?

@Pine: Eevee, Titus, and yourself are what most seem to want to lynch today.

[Hectic]

Hey all. A reminder of my replacement ethic when the game is too large to manage - I do not read everything, do not ask me to. The game is the size of a small novel, and layered with entrenched positions. My intent is to look at things with fresh eyes and go from there. I may read selections from the backlog at my discretion, but if there’s something specific I should look at, let me know.

Sup?

Nice wiki page you've got there. I'd give it a 17.

[Hectic]

Hopkirk + Titus + Kop are my top scumreads for now. The only non-confirmed person that I'm not scumleaning/reading is Aaron and Garmr, though Aaron's claim of a Hectic-Hopkirk scumpair is slightly dodgy.

I bought Hopkirk's townread on me because apparently I have a "towntell" and he's had similar strong townreads on me in the past that have been accurate while he was town. I was aware it could just be him buddying me, but I was leaning towards him being town since the rest of his play seemed helpful/genuine. This sudden flip on me is really unnatural though, and I don't buy the reasons for it. Kop didn't mention most players in the game. I did mention Titus enough.

Also there's the factor that his scumread on me relies on all of his scumreads being correct, so it's a fairly weak link.

I'm townreading Garmr based on his frustration recently, though perhaps I'm too easily swayed. Could someone remind me of what Garmr lied about earlier in the game which Lilly caught him out for?

[Hectic]

Eevee's a void in my wiki.

His entire iso feels either surv based or just general funness. Idk what to make of it.

Also. Im not that big of a void. And i just got back into the cs making mood. Earlier today i made what i feel is gonna be one of my better ones.

I will ISO you one day, just not now. You've got a fairly large wiki.

[Hectic]

Hiya all.
This is one of my first forum games so I'm quite excited!
So I thought I better prepare myself because I've heard all the stories of wolfgods (that's what we call in them in the inner circles) of the likes of Sharan Tate and Skellen solving games by page 5. Insanity?!
So I've been up all night reading through the mafiascum wiki and I am now a walking encyclopedia of knowledge.
I'm serious, if you want to know about ANYTHING, whether it be about what an abbreviation means, or some obscure study or guide into how often people who mention self-meta are scum: just ask me, I've got you covered.

So while reading through the wiki, I discovered that it's site meta to claim the Miller role right from the get go, so without further ado:

I am the

Miller Survivor

.

I know you may have reservations given the Survivor part of my claim. But I give you my honest law-abiding word that I will strive to and will always work with the town's best interests from here on out.

In fact, here's a pledge:

I, Hectic, will self-hammer myself in any situation where the number of mafia are equal to the number of town.

That pledge up there stops me from siding with scum and winning the game with them in a LyLo situation. With this fallback, you guys can just use this failsafe to spite me out of a win. Therefore, I will never betray you.

I look forward to finding scum with you all.

You still claiming surv?

Absolutely, and of the Miller variety. Looking forward to seeing scum claim thinking they can endgame with me, but nope, gonna work with town till the end

[Hectic]

Interesting, that is pretty bad. This better not be another townie pulling some dumb gambit.
@Garmr: Why would you lie about that.

[Hectic]

hectic, quit cruising >:0

Cruising is so much fun though.
My following of this game has been very poor. There came a point where I gave up on reading everything (around page 40 or 50 maybe), and only tried to read the important stuff, and keep up to date about claims.
Was relatively busy today and will be tomorrow too. Saturday's when I'll have the time to read back to give better reads.

@Hop: The thing I find odd is you putting me in your pool of 5 while leaving Rick/Texcat/Someone else? out while saying you're putting me there for PoE reasons. I think scum!you is doing this to not get called out for your buddying, and since you need another townie to mislynch given how many scum are probably gonna be lynched from your perspective.
You don't usually bus but do when needed. Kop is one of those cases. I would think it scummy if you were defending Kop for whatever reason.
Also R.
And yes, I townlean Aaron for the meta stuff you presented earlier.

[Hectic]

I've got an insane role lined up to claim. Took me a solid few months of extensive wiki readings, and a few PhDs on surrounding topics for me to fully understand my role.
YIITOTVVBLMFCADHATIAZOTGTOA

Here's my claim, friends ^

[Hectic]

Damn, this website is slower than the USSR-wiki on Thanksgiving.

[Hectic]

More on Hop:
Why is weird for me to look to see if Kop is getting replaced? I wanted to see if he was gonna be replaced by the deadline. How is it scum-indicative?
Also, why does it matter if I kept my vote on Cliff while we waited for Kop? He was L-2, there was no reason for me to remove my vote.
You know I've been very loose with this game, as should be evident with my questions on past events. I'm playing in the moment more than referencing past things. Though I know that's lazy and not very useful to town, but that's a separate argument.

Feels like he's reaching with a lot of these.

Don't remember who I'm voting for but I'm gonna do this till my Saturday endeavor:
VOTE: Hopkirk

[Hectic]

I've got an insane role lined up to claim. Took me a solid few months of extensive wiki readings, and a few PhDs on surrounding topics for me to fully understand my role.
YIITOTVVBLMFCADHATIAZOTGTOA

Here's my claim, friends ^

It's not the worst if I get lynched here, don't really have much time for this game.
Just know that I have VERY good reason to think Hop is scum here. Just trust me on this and lynch him after me. You guys can work out the rest.

Yes I'm Interestedly Town Of The Vanilla Variety But Let Me Fake Cop And Doc Here And Throw In A Z Or Two Guess That's One Actually

[Hectic]

Oooh man, this is gonna be fun.

VOTE: Hectic

Because I don't want him to survive.

Why not? I promised to work with you guys and everything?

IAATSINARING < that's my breadcrumb for this game.

I Am Aware That Survivor Is Not A Role In Normal Games

What a shame. Making me fakeclaim vanilla townie as Survivor.

[Hectic]

No?

[Hectic]

I been under the assumption this whole time that you and hopkirk had a qt + a role and that's why you were town reading each other because of it.

Nope. Hopkirk probably joked about it at some point.
I'm surprised people are reading his complete flip on me as genuine.
How can you go from "If anyone has anything bad to say about Hectic, say it now." to being okay with lynching me today?
People were always suspicious of his strong townread on me, so this was a necessity for him, also because some of his scumreads are actually probably scum, so he needed another person to possibly mislynch.

[Hectic]

@Hop:
Not sure why scum!you would push it tbh, but scum don't always always have a calculated reason for their plays.
I agree with you on Titus and Kop, and the rest are within pretty much everyone else. I'm even doubting Aaron now because of his pushing of the Hectic-Hopkirk bussing theory which really makes no sense.
Think I mentioned it before but some bussing with the number of mislynches is kinda necessary, even for you. You not gunning for Kop would set off alarm bells for example.
But fine, Kop/Pine is more scummy.

VOTE: Pine

[Hectic]

Still don't understand Garmr's reasoning for lying, so he should probably in the same pile as Pine and Titus actually.

[Hectic]

I townread him for his AtEs and generally erratic play, but that was before I learnt about this lie.
I think the negatives of having to lie about something like that outweigh the positives. There might actually be a doctor who counterclaims him, and he always looks bad in that scenario, a lot of things can go wrong basically.
Not sure why he'd lie as scum either though. Maybe he's not a voyuer and he's making up results based on scummy buddy track's.

[Hectic]

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?

[Hectic]

Still don't understand Garmr's reasoning for lying, so he should probably in the same pile as Pine and Titus actually.

It's so simple I think a newbie could get it.

It relies on three factors.

1. In my eyes No one visited the living mason because i misread the result
2. A mason died
3.I wanted to save the mason.

With those three things I thought one
1.the doctor may of been roleblocked and saying a doctors actions went through would trick scum into thinking they missed.
2.If there was no doctor scum will hunt a imaginary one.
3. Scum wouldn't shoot the mason because they would think she was protected.


Also people say it's scum trying to out the doctor
1.What dumb ass doctor would out themselves. They should quit mafia if they do.
2.it gives me flack
3.there's better ways of outing the doctor


Like this is all basic stuff I don't understand why people can't comprehend such basic shit and been here for so long.

I get that, but eventually your lie will be outed when no doctor can confirm your claim during a mass claim, and that suddenly puts suspicion on you for lying.
But I see a lot more town motivation there now than scum motivation.

[Hectic]

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?

No counter claims various macho/ascetic roles makes sense for him to be doctor.

Ah, that makes sense.

[Hectic]

@Titus: So I was reading through your wiki and getting to know you - I especially enjoyed the section on your day trip to Greenland, I didn't realise they had Polar bears there, and I'm really glad you made it out alive by back flipping over it, though I wouldn't recommend trying that one again - and I noticed your "current avatar" is not up to date.
Just thought you'd want to know.

Do you know why most people in this game are convinced you're scum?

[Hectic]

For the luv of God.
I think we should treat this as a marathon game. Always wanted to put one of those down in my wiki.

[Hectic]

I am a one shot roleblocker. I held it until last night because I figured it was negative utility. I blocked Garmr. Someone still died. So either Garmr's a strongman, I was separately blocked or scum didn't send him for the kill.

VOTE: Garmr

Why are you still voting for Garmr then?

[Hectic]

Why do I have a terrible feeling that Titus is town horribly misplaying, and we're at Lylo with 5 scum alive?
Titus' hammer was ridiculously bad, but I have no idea why scum would do that there when Pine was basically certain to be lynched regardless.
Explain yourself, Titus.

[Hectic]

The wiki gods just spoke to me.
Hopkirk is scum pushing a final mislynch for the win.
Aaron is scum for his forced HecticVHopkirk SvS theories.
Eevee is scum because all the conftown seem to think so.
Texcat is scum. Hop townreads her and not enough people have attacked her from this group.
Garmr is scum by PoE.

[Hectic]

Can we not throw votes around like it's not Lylo? Especially on Titus?
Granted, it's really hard for all the scum to coordinate a quickhammer if it's just one town voting for another town, but why take the risk?

[Hectic]

ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.

Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.

[Hectic]

Actually, here's my lynch order of confidence: Eevee/Hopkirk > Texcat > AaronFF > Garmr > Titus

[Hectic]

Btw, Aaron, they finally let me post some of the classified info on your wiki: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=AaronFrost

[Hectic]

I cant see titus being anything but scum.

VOTE: Titus

Seems like scum is gonna keep killing off the conf!town players. I'm pretty sure Titus flips scum no matter what but I would like a claim from her.

VOTE: Titus

I'm voting Titus as soon as Garmr gives his result.

These are posts which make me think Titus are town.
Bob votes for Titus and scum!Aaron and Hop follow, seeing an easy route to victory.

[Hectic]

The wiki gods just spoke to me.
Hopkirk is scum pushing a final mislynch for the win.
Aaron is scum for his forced HecticVHopkirk SvS theories.
Eevee is scum because all the conftown seem to think so.
Texcat is scum. Hop townreads her and not enough people have attacked her from this group.
Garmr is scum by PoE.

isnt this by strongest to weakest reasoning, tex, aaron, hopkirk, eevee, garmr?

These are just a few reasons.
There's other stuff like:
-Hop's weird interactions with me. At first pocketing me with his towntell thing, and then completely flipping his read in an unnatural way.
-Hop's meta defence of Aaron when I was first suspicious of him.
-Hop townreads Texcat when it doesn't make sense to based on how few town are left from the non-confirmed pool.

Fine, guess I'll finally ISO you now.

[Hectic]

I'm really bad at ISOing people I don't have previous meta with. Overall, not a lot of scumhunting and very short posts but I have no idea if that's alignment-indicative. Too lazy to go through their other games at the moment.

aww so sad. but wrong answer VOTE: elements

sorry but you have lost the game :[

the correct answer was: simple watcher

This stood out as really scummy. Just doesn't feel natural/genuine at all, especially the "sorry but you have lost the game :[" part.

Then they pushed/voted for Titus very early on. This fits the Titus!town theory.

Okay. So that leaves. Titus(town cause dave is town)
Aaron(who is being helpful)
And kop(who im still convinced isnt a real person)

Leaving two town open for lynching. The only scum on the list (Aaron) they provide a positive point for.

VOTE: Aaronfrost



Okay done with my little parade. Continue

Later on votes for Aaron which I find a little confusing. Only explanation is bussing which held no risk. Kop/Pine was almost certainly going to be lynched and no one else was voting for Aaron, so I think the vote is harmless bussing.

good than i dont have to strike you down today to negate a possible instaloss

(This is regarding voting for me). This doesn't make any sense with 13 people alive. It's just fabricated reasoning.

But for some reason i suspect hes town. Idk why

Why did you?

[Hectic]

I love how Hectic seems to have forgotten that he wasn't townreading Rick but then forgets that during the last page where he doesn't mention Rick at all.

No? I townread Rick because someone explained to me that his doctor claim made too much sense because of all the macho roles.

[Hectic]

Hectic framing my flip on him as unnatural pretty much has to make him scum.

He knows I reevaluate games a lot. We recently had an (offsite) hydra where he could clearly see my reads flip frequently (tunneling turn to strongest townreads, strong townread to scumread). He shouldn't be surprised whatsoever that I moved him back to a scumpool when there was 7-8 non conf town.

Your flip on me is unnatural. Do I really have to bring up R again, and how you ignoring makes you close to confirmed scum in my perspective?
I said your flip on me was unnatural plenty of times yesterday, and you didn't have this extreme reaction to it then.

Just gonna write Hop off as scum from here.

[Hectic]

Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, HopkirkGarmr AaronFrost, texcat.

since we could 5 scum in there. That leaves 2 townies to avoid

Billy and carc who you leaning towards being the two we shouldnt lynch.

Eevee and Hopkirk, but just for today.

Oh no

[Hectic]

I'm thinking 4 of (Eevee, Titus, Garmr, Hectic, Kop) as scumteam.

What're your reads on Rick and Texcat?

@Pine: Eevee, Titus, and yourself are what most seem to want to lynch today.

Town doctor and more likely town.

My current plan is still lynch Eevee/Titus/kopine and see what happens next.

-hop

This is where Hop expresses Tex as town.

Gonna be real annoyed if you're actually town here, Hop.

[Hectic]

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?

No counter claims various macho/ascetic roles makes sense for him to be doctor.

Ah, that makes sense.

This is where I realised Rick is probably town for the reasons above.
Try again, Hop.

[Hectic]

I'm ready to vote Hop.

[Hectic]

Honestly, you're probably scum here if I'm going to assume Titus is the other town in the 7, and Rick's doc claim is legit.

I think everyone should give their thoughts on who is town of {Hectic, Hopkirk, Garmr, Texcat, Eevee, Aaron, Titus}.

[Hectic]

Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

You realise this is LyLo, so if you're town, you're giving scum the win?
Good job locking yourself as scum.

[Hectic]

Garmr liked me townreading him for his AtE and self-voting earlier, so decided to go for a second round for it. Not buying it this time.
Assuming he isn't town just throwing the game of course.
Happy to lynch Hop or Garmr with a slightly preference on Garmr now.

[Hectic]

Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

You realise this is LyLo, so if you're town, you're giving scum the win?
Good job locking yourself as scum.

We literally just finished a game together where the scumteam with all active members- 3- didn't manage to coordinate a hammer.
Before that (officer game) the scum did not coordinate possible hammers.

Questions:

Have you ever seen scum coordinate a lylo hammer that they could only make for a couple of hours?

If 3 player teams can't so it then why do you think the 5p team this would have to be can?

Why are you sure there's 5 scum, they can't or wouldn't try to quickhammer if there weren't 5.

Why do scum make the play of trying to quickhammer when that could easily reveal several of them.

Why haven't you treated other lylo votes like this?

If you townread Titus then why has she still not been hammered?

I'm not that afraid of a coordinated scum quick hammer. I'm saying Garmr okay with being lynched confirms him as scum as he should know it's LyLo now.
I'm assuming it's LyLo because the standard formula for the number of scum fits the 6 total scum theory. And one of them was a weaker traitor.

[Hectic]

The Eevee, hectic, Titus, texcat scumteam definitely doesn't deserve to win. They've done basically nothing except sit back and let a few town screw over the rest of us.

You're spending more time discussing how this team doesn't deserve to win in your last bout of posts rather than why they're actually scum.

[Hectic]

So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.

4 scum for 25 players?
There must be a serial killer or other anti-town roles in that game.
A standard 21 player game has... oh, I just realised it's 5 scum actually.
Since the number of town is 3× the number of scum + 1.
I think I concluded it must be 6 because one of the scum was a weaker traitor.
But I guess it's not definitely LyLo then.

[Hectic]

Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

You realise this is LyLo, so if you're town, you're giving scum the win?
Good job locking yourself as scum.

If hes locked as scum why didnt you vote him there?

Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit about the lockscum thing, but I do think he's the most likely scum now. I'll stop being overly cautious.

VOTE: Garmr

[Hectic]

@Hop: yeah, I might be wrong about the number of scum thing. The formula works for the vast majority of 9 and 13 player games, but maybe it doesn't apply to larger games.

[Hectic]

The Eevee, hectic, Titus, texcat scumteam definitely doesn't deserve to win. They've done basically nothing except sit back and let a few town screw over the rest of us.

You're spending more time discussing how this team doesn't deserve to win in your last bout of posts rather than why they're actually scum.

I don't think I need to discuss why they're scum.

Based on what you know of my current schedule, do you think I'd be making long cases on scumreads that the conf town seem to agree with?

No, but discussing why {this scum team} doesn't deserve to win is kinda an appeal to emotion, and trying to push the notion of that scumread into the conftown's heads, which is what I think you're going for.

[Hectic]

I'm thinking 4 of (Eevee, Titus, Garmr, Hectic, Kop) as scumteam.

What're your reads on Rick and Texcat?

@Pine: Eevee, Titus, and yourself are what most seem to want to lynch today.

Town doctor and more likely town.

My current plan is still lynch Eevee/Titus/kopine and see what happens next.

-hop

This is where Hop expresses Tex as town.

Gonna be real annoyed if you're actually town here, Hop.

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?

No counter claims various macho/ascetic roles makes sense for him to be doctor.

Ah, that makes sense.

This is where I realised Rick is probably town for the reasons above.
Try again, Hop.

What's your response to these, Hop?
Just gonna ignore the fact you're misrepresenting past events?

[Hectic]

1.) That doesn't say I townread Tex. It says I want to lynch 3 people then find the remaining 1-2 from there. Notice how you weren't in the list despite me scumreading you as I still have a reason for some doubt.

2.) That's not you expressing a read on Rick. It's you leaving it open for you to read him either way later.

I don't know, "more likely town" sounds like you townread them the most of the non-confirmed and not Rick bunch.

The context is important for 2). I'm saying "that makes sense" for that person saying it makes sense for Rick to be doctor.

So who do you think is town now of the non-confirmed people?

[Hectic]

The reluctance from everyone but Titus voting for Garmr this game is telling. Titus has a point that people are too unwilling to vote for him.
There might be another town in {Hopkirk, Aaron, Eevee, Texcat}, but I'm sure who yet.

[Hectic]

The reluctance from everyone but Titus voting for Garmr this game is telling. Titus has a point that people are too unwilling to vote for him.
There might be another town in {Hopkirk, Aaron, Eevee, Texcat}, but I'm sure who yet.

Town have being trying to lynch Titus for ages kinda telling if you ask me. But wanna know why it is hard to lynch me?

The confirmed town won't let me get me mislynched.

.

Everyone being okay with scum!Titus is kind of telling actually. Makes more sense for her to be town rather than her whole scum team bussing her.
Though, the first couple of people to accuse Titus makes a difference, so need to look back for that.

@conf-townies: What'd you think of Garmr now?

[Hectic]

Can we like mislynch me now.

VOTE: Garmr

Like if you think I'm scum pretend this is a scum claim if your scum jump on this. I really just wanna get lynched.

I mean, look how bad this post is. Please tell me you don't buy this.

[Hectic]

Alternatively, we can kill obvscum Eevee.

I'd settle for that if people don't want to lynch Garmr or Hopkirk.
Garmr is the safest one unless someone can link me to a game where he's done this exact thing as town.

[Hectic]

Remind me why you have such a strong scumread on Aaron?

[Hectic]

I want to do Texcat or Eevee right now. They're both popping in and waiting for us to mislynch. Literally haven't even given us reads on half the players here.
@Texcat/Eevee: What are your readslists now?

Still think Garmr flips town here.

Honestly 3 scum is actually possible here. It's more likely than 5.

What happened to your confidence on lynching Titus?

[Hectic]

Remind me why you have such a strong scumread on Aaron?

Why do you town read aaron.

If you town read aaron shoudlnt you be voting eve. as do you real think 11 townies actual managed to agree on one player without one or two of them being scum.

I don't, I think there's 3 or 4 scum in {Eevee, Aaron, Texcat, Hopkirk}.
I'm currently working based off the fact Titus is town and Garmr is scum.
Just wondering why you're more confident about him than the others.

[Hectic]

If we were both town and Bob was scum who'd his partners be Hectic?

How could Bob be scum? I thought he was confirmed?

If you were town, Titus could in that case be scum.

[Hectic]

Remind me why you have such a strong scumread on Aaron?

Why do you town read aaron.

If you town read aaron shoudlnt you be voting eve. as do you real think 11 townies actual managed to agree on one player without one or two of them being scum.

I don't, I think there's 3 or 4 scum in {Eevee, Aaron, Texcat, Hopkirk}.
I'm currently working based off the fact Titus is town and Garmr is scum.
Just wondering why you're more confident about him than the others.

Not that confident about Titus anymore. Hop's reconsideration and gunning for Eevee is weird. Scum!Aaron jumping onto that wagon is still sus though.
Agree about Texcat being ignored by everyone as weird.

[Hectic]

And hectic if you were town and town read aaron why arnt you already voting eve.

If you are town and you think aaron is town. Then for eve to not be scum you would either have to be scum or wrong on aaron

May I redirect you to 5173.

[Hectic]

If we were both town and Bob was scum who'd his partners be Hectic?

How could Bob be scum? I thought he was confirmed?

If you were town, Titus could in that case be scum.

If scum have a tracker then they tracked Cliff and know who he gave fruit to go could fake confirm Bob.
It's unlikely/we have few enough mislynches to spare that I'm currently treating him as has to be town, but he's not 100% confirmed.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I townread him for loads of other reasons though like the extensive votecount analysis or slowing the lynch on Titus down today.

Can you go over your Titus townread Hectic?

Out of interest, how has nobody asked Hectic about his read on me changing?

Her ISO wasn't that bad and was similar to her play in recent games. Also, I was alarmed at everyone's confidence on voting her near the start of today. Finally, she's been treated as almost consensus scum for quite a while now, and that was after she started attacking Garmr, who is probably scum.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

Lul, this is hilarious. Almost want to vote you just for that.

[Hectic]

Regardless of your alignment, that's a very good point. I hate how Garmr lives another day but this feels safe:

VOTE: Eevee

[Hectic]

Finally, she's been treated as almost consensus scum for quite a while now, and that was after she started attacking Garmr, who is probably scum.

Can you actually show with quotes where (Texcat, Garmr, Eevee) scumread her? They all seem to townread her.
The vote on her earlier was me/bob/Aaron and you say you townread Aaron/Bob.

I don't townread Aaron... but sure, I'll have a look.

[Hectic]

We should still be lynching Garmr.

+1

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

Hmmmmmmm
Elaborate on Titus and Aaron, Texcat.

[Hectic]

VC 2.2

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr Billy Pilgrim

EeveeLution Army - (4):

- Judge Joseph Dread, Rick Dalton,, , AaronFrost,Texcat

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Rick Dalton - (1):

- Carcalilly

AaronFrost - (1):

-bob4131

Not Voting:

Kop, Hectic, EeveeLution Army

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

Updated vote count.

So a tldr version of reads

not including masons

I can go into more detail if wanted.
Rick Dalton-town because scum wouldn't argue against the mason claim also I liked them so far.

Titus- Gut and experience with her.

Bob- With experience with both games this is more in line with his town game as he seems more cautious and less involved in his scum unless someone drags him in.

Judge Dread-Actively trying to solve the game, been town reading them for a while.

Cliff- This dwells on the fact if it's multiscum or not due to wagon speed.

Scum

Profii- He contrast the last game I played with him. None of his opinions are to out there his not trying to drive the game and spreading paranoia that will cost town the game.

Hopkirk- Reasons I stated before.

Tchill- His lack of involvement and how his wagon formed.

The rest are nullish.

Will comment on eevee through. They haven't really done much of anything but setup spec isn't a scummy thing to do unless it's information town doesn't have.

VOTE: Titus

Think it was obvious from yesterdays play that titus is scum. Makes the excuse she'll be useful latter as a way to dodge but majority of points brought up weren't related to that.

Garmr actually townreads Titus for the majority of the game despite her pushing him, until yesterday.

[Hectic]

I'm starting to not feel anxious about Titus but I don't know why.

I can dig this. Theres a few posts that are a bit like "this post could be scummy, but might not be"

As in, I need to manufacture a reason to vote here, but also need to backtrack later

VOTE: titus

i think i can push this vote now.

Vig should shoot Eevee.

I agree with this. Titus is still a null for me and we can sort her tomorrow.

like i said idc about dying. but lynch titus tomorrow when i flip :>

Like i said i wanna push titus but i dont have any real reasoning. Its just a feeling i have.

see at no point did he actualy give a reason for titus vote.

If he only had feeling and no reasoning why was his vote there all day 2

Even when he finaly voted titus. all he said i can vote here now.

Now added reasoning

Cant see his titus vote being anythign other than a vanity vote

yeah i never really had good reasoning on titus. but i still think hes scum.

but what do you mean by vanity here pride or worthless?

like i said. scum are titus and dave

sad that my scumread got confirmed town. what roles can actually do that in a normal? publishing cop?

And that's a sad thing why? Because you're scum and can't push that mislynch anymore?

Scum pool right now (in the event Cliff flips town) is {Eevee, Kop, Titus, tex, Hopkirk, Hectic}

Mostly slots with low content who've been sitting back watching town destroy itself.

In the event Cliff flips scum, Dalton could be a partner. Not too sure who else atm.

Cause it means titus is probably town too. And that leaves all my scumreads gone

Okay. So that leaves. Titus(town cause dave is town)
Aaron(who is being helpful)
And kop(who im still convinced isnt a real person)

aaron tex garmr titus then probably a vt/unclaimed.

Eevee has Titus as their main scumread for the majority of the game, until Dave is confirmed as town? Don't remember why town!Dave implies town!Titus but whatever.

[Hectic]

This pretty frustrating, you've made me doubt myself enough again.
Though I will say, since scum are aware that the lynch is most likely going to fall into the conftown hands, they won't be afraid to bus early on today since they're aware conftown could make them change. Though, that also puts my logic on Titus being voted for early on in doubt.
Still townread her lolhammer though.

[Hectic]

Fine, let's just lynch Eevee and get this day over with. I can blame the conftown if Eevee flip towns.

[Hectic]

I mean, that does look pretty scummy. I want to believe you're town, but I just really don't get your flip on me knowing what we both know.

Hectic framing my flip on him as unnatural pretty much has to make him scum.

He knows I reevaluate games a lot. We recently had an (offsite) hydra where he could clearly see my reads flip frequently (tunneling turn to strongest townreads, strong townread to scumread). He shouldn't be surprised whatsoever that I moved him back to a scumpool when there was 7-8 non conf town.

Are you still of this opinion?

[Hectic]

I keep flipping on you on my head now. Most of your play this game has been towny but there are certain things I'm struggling to let go. Whatever, I can figure you out on a future day.

[Hectic]

I wonder if the scum are sweating in their PT thinking 'Is their mutual scumread just all an act so we don't kill either of them before lylo where we auto lose'.

Wow.
It was going so well, no one including the mod even realised the secret messages we've been conveying each other in these "argument" posts.

[Hectic]

I'm semi-concerned how everyone seems to be scumreading 'at least one of Hopkirk/Hectic' so if one of us flipped town the other would be lynched.
Also Aaron/Tex pushing 'Hop and Hec' despite not picking up on the actually weird interactions we've had and using bad/np reasons instead.

Definitely agree with this. Hence why I started disliking Aaron since he brought those theories up. If you're both scum, he's positioning to scumread one of us before he decided on me (which is exactly what he did). If you're town, he's leaving two potential mislynches open with little reasoning other than "their interactions are weird".

[Hectic]

@Mod:

V/LA until November 22nd.

How could you do this to me, Aaron? And after I placed all my trust and faith in you.
Fine, I know what you want me to say, you can be so manipulative sometimes.
Send over your login details and I'll pilot the account for you until you return.

[Hectic]

Aaron's behaviour has been kinda all over the place regarding his reads.
Remind me why you think Garmr will probably flip town? Do you buy his AtE?

[Hectic]

I love how Hectic seems to have forgotten that he wasn't townreading Rick but then forgets that during the last page where he doesn't mention Rick at all.

Hectic framing my flip on him as unnatural pretty much has to make him scum.

He knows I reevaluate games a lot. We recently had an (offsite) hydra where he could clearly see my reads flip frequently (tunneling turn to strongest townreads, strong townread to scumread). He shouldn't be surprised whatsoever that I moved him back to a scumpool when there was 7-8 non conf town.

Tex makes sense to scumflip after Hectic. He's putting her in a position where he scumreads her, but only through association, so he would never lynch her before me.
Also he never really has anything to say about her before today aside from some limp questioning and a little defense.

-Hop

I do dislike Hop going from being confident on scum!me to now reconsidering me.
If he's scum, it has everything to do with none of the conftown expressing a desire to lynch me today. So he sees that after those posts, and decided to reason with me and get me to vote for another mislynch instead.

[Hectic]

Every conftown has expressed desire to lynch 1 or 2 people moreso than the others. My point is that I'm not in those 1 or 2 people for any of them.
So scum!you realised I wasn't a viable Mislynch for today, and changed your approach regarding me.

Lilly was voting for me yesterday.

[Hectic]

But true, assuming Eevee's scum, you are a lot more town.

Gonna reconsider this actually. You said it yourself, you don't like bussing.

UNVOTE: Eevee

[Hectic]

Talk about your Garmr townread.

[Hectic]

Ugh, fine. I actually completely forgot about Elements bringing up the townblock tell.
Next day please.

VOTE: Eevee

[Hectic]

Let it be known that I still think Garmr is the better lynch though.

I have high expectations for your prodges, Hop. I hope they live up to the quality of the Hoptic ones.

[Hectic]

Scum hop could literally just wait and see if the conf town scumreqd you before dipping his read based on what you're saying? Why benefit do I get from flipping the read then doing nothing to follow up? I could literally just let my scumteam push you instead while continuing to defend you on meta to get towncred.

Well, you gave incentive for the conftown to scumread me after those posts earlier today, since you're in reasonably good standing with them. You opened a door of opportunity for more people to agree to lynching me, and you even talked about who you'd lynch after me (Texcat).
Your flip earlier on me was giving yourself room to scumread and lynch me later, and because the strong townread without good reason was starting to look suspicious/like buddying.
Your scumbuddies aren't going to be able to push me alone that well, due to all the conftown which makes all non-conftown more suspicious.
We're in endgame territory now, so towncred for my flip is irrelevant, the game could be over off of my flip.

That's my thought process if you're scum.

[Hectic]

There's prodges and then there's prodges as an artform. I doubt I'll have time for art.

I'm not saying you should hydra slip and post as hectic without signing posts and post artful prodges or anything like that.

I'll be busier too in upcoming weeks. It won't get to prodging though.
Feel free to post the first half of a prodge and give me a knowing nod, and I'll post the second half and return the knowing nod.

[Hectic]

And now we wait.

[Hectic]

Well, I'm back at Garmr + Hopkirk + AaronFF + Texcat.

Oh wait, my bad, that was about hectic.

Speaking of which, I'd like to vote them, but could scum to a quick rollout?

Why do you think you've kept alive the past couple of days, Carcalilly?

[Hectic]

Oh wait, my bad, that was about hectic.

Speaking of which, I'd like to vote them, but could scum to a quick rollout?

Hop said your vote was on me. Speaking of, do you still townread him? He's pushed lynches onto two townies the past two days. And he said it himself, he doesn't like to bus as scun.

[Hectic]

I think it’s 2 from Group A, and Hopkirk right now. That’s my solve.

It has to be LyLo at this point. If there were only 3 normal scum + a traitor, they'd be really underpowered.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

Still willing to vote Garmr Hectic or Hopkirk. Rick made a dreadful hammer after a horrible vote by Aaron, but both remain on my don't lynch today list. Carca and Titus remain on my never lynch list.

Why are you never lynching Titus, and unlikely to lynch Aaron?

[Hectic]

VOTE: Hectic

Why??

[Hectic]

Ok, why the hell are we not lynching Garmr aka Mr. I forgot?

^^^^^^

It's LyLo but whatever, considering town!Bob's already voted for me:
VOTE: Garmr

[Hectic]

Hop, scum can make bad plays. Garmr's been erratic the whole game so you're giving him too much credit using the "it makes no sense to claim that" argument.

Was AaronFF pushing Garmr yesterday? I know Texcat was but I put that down as bussing. Scum has to bus each other a little at this point because of how many confirms there.

I really dislike how Hop is just assuming Titus and I are scum if Garmr doesn't get hammered, and not even considering scum!Garmr.
Also, he literally made an argument against me yesterday saying scum are unlikely to coordinate quickhammers with these kind of numbers, when I suggested we shouldn't be voting since it could be LyLo, so the fact he's now switched on that opinion for his own convenience to push his agenda is very scummy.

[Hectic]

Lynch Garmr or Hop, I beg of you.

[Hectic]

hectic jumps on eve wagon and trys to justify beign on it by saying scum can afford to bus

I think you need to read back yesterday. I didn't want to vote Eevee and was very unsure about it till the end. Hop was the one who convinced me to stay on it rather than continue pushing Garmr.

[Hectic]

man I can't choose between Titus and Garmr, can we not do that today?

The reason why I think Aaron+Hop+Garmr+Texcat is because Hop and Aaron both pushed Titus super hard at the start of yesterday. And then Hop went back on that when I called out Hop and Aaron doing that.

[Hectic]

How come you're happy to vote Garmr when Tex still hasn't claimed if you're also putting Texcat as a top scumread?

You don't have a problem with Tex/Aff inexplicably disliking you/me/Garmr and supporting each other and Titus?

Fine, Tex not claiming and "never" lynching Titus or Aaron is ridiculous. It's Tex+Garmr+Aaron+Hopkirk/Titus. There's still some chance Hop is town.

VOTE: Texcat

[Hectic]

UNVOTE: Texcat

Claim, Texcat.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Hectic

You really need to unvote me btw. Garmr's already voting for me, so the 3 remaining scum just need to coordinate a quick hammer when they're all online and it's gg.

[Hectic]

I'm just ready to pull my hair out. If it was anyone else, Garmr would be in a body bag right now and we'd have a scum flip.

Exactly. He's literally being bussed by his whole scumteam but the conf!town refuse to lynch him.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Garmr

[Hectic]

I'm just ready to pull my hair out. If it was anyone else, Garmr would be in a body bag right now and we'd have a scum flip.

Exactly. He's literally being bussed by his whole scumteam but the conf!town refuse to lynch him.

Other than scum!Hop who's still defending him for some reason.

[Hectic]

Hectic: 'There's no danger of quickhammer since scum would need to coordinate'
Also Hectic 'Let me just put Garmr on L2'

You're 100% sure it's not Hopkirk/Aaron/Texcat/Titus then?

????
I didn't say there's no danger of quickhammer. I'm decided on Garmr, AaronFF, Texcat being scum, last being probably you.

Order of confidence goes Garmr and then Texcat. Hence why I've voted.

[Hectic]

Actually, Texcat is a better vote for still having not claimed, and continuing to ignore requests.

UNVOTE: Garmr

@Texcat: Why haven't you claimed?

[Hectic]

VOTE: Garmr

The more I loo at this vote, the worse it gets.
She comes in and ignores all questions like me asking her why she's never voting Aaron or Titus, or why she hasn't claimed, and votes Garmr and leaves.
This is a better vote.

[Hectic]

I'm decided on Garmr, AaronFF, Texcat being scum, last being probably you.

Order of confidence goes Garmr and then Texcat. Hence why I've voted.

This is probably a subconscious scumtell.

It looks like Aaron was positioned in between Garmr/Texcat purposefully, only for the order to be Garmr, Texcat.

What's the scumtell? That Garmr and Texcat are both town?

[Hectic]

I'm decided on Garmr, AaronFF, Texcat being scum, last being probably you.

Order of confidence goes Garmr and then Texcat. Hence why I've voted.

This is probably a subconscious scumtell.

It looks like Aaron was positioned in between Garmr/Texcat purposefully, only for the order to be Garmr, Texcat.

What's the scumtell? That Garmr and Texcat are both town?

Why did AF get listed before Texcat if you think Texcat has higher scum equity?

Scum like to name drop partners in situations like this.

Lul, that's an interesting tell. Wasn't listed by confidence. I'm pretty sure I've been listing Garmr+Texcat+Aaron+Hop in varying orders for a while now.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Texcat

Probably never getting a claim out of her.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Texcat

Probably never getting a claim out of her.

I refuse to claim unless a known townie asks me to claim.

Want to answer why you're never lynching Aaron or Titus?
How can you be so sure of them when most likely it's 4 scum in {Aaron, Titus, Texcat, Garmr, Hop, Hectic}.
You're basically saying it's the other 4 if you believe Bob and Rick's claims.

[Hectic]

I was sitting on post review spamming it for a bit with my unvote ready to go to stop a quick hammer

Good work out there, soldier.

[Hectic]

Though realistically speaking, scum aren't going to hammer when they think town voting for town are online.

[Hectic]

Wait, I thought Titus claimed VT?

[Hectic]

VOTE: Hectic

Tbh, it's only a matter of time until scum get their shit together and coordinate a quickhammer onto me, assuming Bob is town.
You really need to get online and unvote this, Bob. Even if you think I'm scum, it makes no sense to risk this if we're lynching Texcat today.

[Hectic]

Wait, I thought Titus claimed VT?

She claimed to of roleblocked me yesterday.

I am a one shot roleblocker. I held it until last night because I figured it was negative utility. I blocked Garmr. Someone still died. So either Garmr's a strongman, I was separately blocked or scum didn't send him for the kill.

VOTE: Garmr

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Why doesn't it fit the game?
Because of all the macho roles?

[Hectic]

VOTE: Hectic

Tbh, it's only a matter of time until scum get their shit together and coordinate a quickhammer onto me, assuming Bob is town.
You really need to get online and unvote this, Bob. Even if you think I'm scum, it makes no sense to risk this if we're lynching Texcat today.

^PageTopping this so Bob sees it.

[Hectic]

whats teh votes at now

Rick and I on Texcat.
Garmr and Titus on each other.
You on me.

Mind unvoting? If you're town and there's 4 scum alive (very likely), they can quickhammer me once they align schedules and are all online simultaneously.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

Still willing to vote Garmr Hectic or Hopkirk. Rick made a dreadful hammer after a horrible vote by Aaron, but both remain on my don't lynch today list. Carca and Titus remain on my never lynch list.

Why are you never lynching Titus, and unlikely to lynch Aaron?

VOTE: Texcat

Probably never getting a claim out of her.

I refuse to claim unless a known townie asks me to claim.

Want to answer why you're never lynching Aaron or Titus?
How can you be so sure of them when most likely it's 4 scum in {Aaron, Titus, Texcat, Garmr, Hop, Hectic}.
You're basically saying it's the other 4 if you believe Bob and Rick's claims.

@Texcat

[Hectic]

Why are you singling me out for voting Eevee, Bob??? Hop and Aaron were also on that wagon. Aaron was never being lynched yesterday, I'm pretty sure Texcat and Titis would've lynched Eevee over Aaron too. You're not making any sense.

[Hectic]

Though the more time passes where scum don't quickhammer, the more likely it is it won't happen and one of the two scenarios are true:
-You're scum and scum have a tracker.
-There's only 3 scum alive. I'm struggling to believe this one though because a traitor + 3 scum is really underpowered for 21 or 22 players.

Currently, I still think you're town just gifting scum the win here, and it's only a matter of time until they organise a time where they're all online and hammer me.

[Hectic]

I'd say Texcat is confirmed scum because Rick and I are both voting for her, but if 4 scum can't coordinate a hammer on me, I'm not sure if 3 could on Texcat.

[Hectic]

Bob, I'm gonna assume you're not incompetent town, and are just scum here then.

[Hectic]

Although one more vote on Tex then no quickhammer happening is effectively a flip that we can discuss right? Since it would either mean all 4 voters are scum or Tex is.

Yeah, I'm okay with this.

[Hectic]

Bob, I'm gonna assume you're not incompetent town, and are just scum here then.

This is literally a lock scum slot, let’s be honest.

Like, I’ve actually never seen a slot obvscum so hard as Hectic did this day phase.

Sigh.
Explain please.

[Hectic]

Rick, you should really unvote. Garmr is obvscum and it's highly unlikely both Hopkirk and Hectic are town. You called him obvscum and look who he won't vote...Garmr.

Hopkirk meanwhile wants me to catch all the scum before voting Garmr.

Garmr was straight up caught in a fiction yo avoid confirming me and we let it go?

Garmr was the first one I was voting for today. I was also voting for him yesterday.
Hopkirk is the one who refuses to vote for Garmr.

[Hectic]

I barely remember now, Hop. I'll probably reevaluate in the next day phase. Bob possibly being scum is making me reconsider things. My Titus townread is primarily based on you and Aaron being scum, but if Bob's town, that leaves more room for you being town.

@Aaron: I was trying to lynch Garmr for ages yesterday, and was asking everyone to vote for him. I only switched to Eevee when it became clear Garmr wasn't going to be lynched. I really don't understand how you can view that as bussing.

[Hectic]

I barely remember now, Hop. I'll probably reevaluate in the next day phase. Bob possibly being scum is making me reconsider things. My Titus townread is primarily based on you and Aaron being scum, but if Bob's town, that leaves more room for you being town.

@Aaron: I was trying to lynch Garmr for ages yesterday, and was asking everyone to vote for him. I only switched to Eevee when it became clear Garmr wasn't going to be lynched. I really don't understand how you can view that as bussing.

*if Bob's scum

[Hectic]

You haven't done your towntell in the second page of your iso btw.

Yeah, but my reads changed so that's why. (I'm on the right tracks now, right?)

[Hectic]

This game is hopeless. I doubt now how many times is gonna convince me to change my vote before I realise he's actually just scum.
This also means there's 3 scum alive which is really weird. They've probably got really strong roles in that case like Tracker+Rolecop+Roleblocker?

Hop+Garmr+Aaron
Maybe Bob since scum almost certainly have a tracker.

[Hectic]

*I don't know how many times Hop is...

I'm not rereading this game. Good luck, Rick.

[Hectic]

This game is hopeless. I doubt now how many times is gonna convince me to change my vote before I realise he's actually just scum.
This also means there's 3 scum alive which is really weird. They've probably got really strong roles in that case like Tracker+Rolecop+Roleblocker?

Hop+Garmr+Aaron
Maybe Bob since scum almost certainly have a tracker.

What clears Titus for you?

While I do think this is what you should be thinking for the team if you are town, it almost seems like because I’ve eased on Titus, you’re trying to shift the game state into a world where I eventually push Hop or Aaron.

Assuming 3 scum, which is likely, only 1 mislynch is needed, and I’m definitely the kill tonight, so I really need to make sure I solve.

I've been unsure about Hop ever since he flipped on me, and him and Aaron pushing Titus at the start of day whatever convinced me on Titus!scum. Also, Garmr has been a lot scummier than Titus and it doesn't make sense for scum to bus if there's only 3 of them here.

[Hectic]

Hectic being town probably ends up being a game losing mislynch, though. If not today, some future day.

This is so true.
It's made me realise that if Garmr is town, and Titus is scum, and even if you guys manage to lynch Titus correctly there, there's no way you don't lynch me in the future (probably the next day) based on what I've been saying on the two.
So since the only way I can see us winning is me being correct about Garmr here:

VOTE: Garmr

[Hectic]

This game is hopeless. I doubt now how many times is gonna convince me to change my vote before I realise he's actually just scum.
This also means there's 3 scum alive which is really weird. They've probably got really strong roles in that case like Tracker+Rolecop+Roleblocker?

Hop+Garmr+Aaron
Maybe Bob since scum almost certainly have a tracker.

What clears Titus for you?

While I do think this is what you should be thinking for the team if you are town, it almost seems like because I’ve eased on Titus, you’re trying to shift the game state into a world where I eventually push Hop or Aaron.

Assuming 3 scum, which is likely, only 1 mislynch is needed, and I’m definitely the kill tonight, so I really need to make sure I solve.

I've been unsure about Hop ever since he flipped on me, and him and Aaron pushing Titus at the start of day whatever convinced me on Titus!scum. Also, Garmr has been a lot scummier than Titus and it doesn't make sense for scum to bus if there's only 3 of them here.

*Titus!town

[Hectic]

We lynch AFF today
we lynch Titus tomorrow
I guess I decide between Hectic and Garmr in lylo
(don't worry Hectic, i got you)

Lul, stop it.

[Hectic]

@Hectic

can you answer this for me please?

This game is hopeless. I doubt now how many times Hop is gonna convince me to change my vote before I realise he's actually just scum.

Why are you letting someone you scumread dictate who you vote for? If you're town, wouldn't you be better off voting for players that you yourself find scummy?

Yeah, that's what I'm kicking myself for. Was scumleaning them also, but I preferred Garmr to both Eevee and Texcat the past two days.
Was scumreading Hop from 3 or 4 days back, and he's still convinced me to switch my vote every time lol, you gotta give the guy credit where credit is due. You got a great scum buddy on your team, Aaron. Even Zote would be proud.

[Hectic]

Though if Bob is scum, Aaron would be town... I think.

[Hectic]

Though if Bob is scum, Aaron would be town... I think.

Why would Bob be scum?

Though if Bob is scum, Aaron would be town... I think.

Things like this is making me sure you are scum. Constant attempts to discredit the last confirmed townie certainly arnt something a townie would ever do. I dont just have cliff clear but but soft clear from JJd aswell.

And in fact your only motivation appears to be the simple fact i scum read you.

Well yeah, because you were voting me early on yesterday when everyone thought there was 4 scum alive. I didn't get hammered so I thought you must be scum.
But now we know 3 are alive, you're still mostly town. Rick's actually scummier now that we know there's only 3 scum, so there wouldn't need to be a doctor in the game. I guess I'm just a little peeved at you voting me so recklessly like that yesterday, and then completely ignoring all of my questions and requests to you.

My point is, if I'm wrong about one of my 3 picks, it's probably Aaron. But that's unlikely.

[Hectic]

Jeez Louise Finch. This game isn't good for my mental health. Lynch Garmr when you're ready, he'll be confirmed scum in a bit since there's two votes on him.
I'll back in a week probably.

[Hectic]

Well played, scum, but yeah, this game turned into "guess the setup" and solving based on that, which made Rick's doc claim very believable.

On the bright side, Hop, we're slowly amassing a blacklist, so our games should improve over time. You've been pretty unlucky though, Hop. This and the Haunted village are the worst modded games I've played on here.