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In post 20, Blatant Scum wrote:I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.
I just finished a game with RC where scum wanted him dead. Policy lynching good scum players will just result in scum gamethrowing, so a really terrible idea, always.
But I wanted to policy lynch him because he is a good
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Post #42 (isolation #6) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:25 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
The point of the policy lynch is this:
If you are town, the probability that scum burns you (before lylo) or town paranoia lynches you around lylo is very high.
It's better to lynch you today than to let either of these two possibilities happen in 6/7 (from spectator point of view) of games where you are town.
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Post #45 (isolation #8) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:37 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
It's better to be stumped than removed from game.
It's better to be stumped early in the game (and be conf town) than later.
Best is of course to never be lynched/ burnt, but I don't think RC can archieve that, unless he finds both scum, which would happen if he were tree or stump regardless.
In post 20, Blatant Scum wrote:I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.
BS, why have you chosen to continue with this train of through throughout the thread, and yet refused to vote? I would have thought a vote on RC would've accompanied your post here, or literally any of the subsequent ones. Instead, you vote yourself in #59 which does nothing to further your win condition except do something that... you think looks towny?
That was the exact opposite of what I wanted to achieve.
Please elaborate on what exactly it is you wanted to achieve?
It obviously wasn't to lynch RC, or else you would have voted him. Furthermore, if your idea to policy lynch him had any semblance of logic behind it, you would have realized that policy lynching him tomorrow would be more optimal. If you read the setup, scum cannot douse and ignite on the same night. There is no risk of RC burning before N2. Not that policy lynching him is ever a good idea, but there is quite literally no logic behind your posts regarding RC's slot.
So, I can only conclude your goal was to push him out of the game and/or rile him up. And I have a hard time thinking of a towny motivation for that.
I didn't vote, because I wanted to discuss whether lynching RC is good idea day 1, rather than directly pushing his lynch.
PL lynching him tomorrow might end up into him being doused. Wastling 1 night to ignite RC stump might be worth for scum. Wastling 2 night probably not.
I didn't know that pushing a player outside of game is so easy. Hence, it was not my intention.
In post 45, Blatant Scum wrote:Best is of course to never be lynched/ burnt, but I don't think RC can archieve that, unless he finds both scum, which would happen if he were tree or stump regardless.
Additionally, you do not take into account the morale damage RC might suffer from being lynched. Given his reaction to your push, I'm unsure why you'd believe he would still be invested to play and hunt for scum when tree stumped.
Yes. I don't take emotions into account. It happens to me very often.
In post 98, eth0s wrote:On a more serious note I get what BS was saying. I thought the logic was sound although I was uninterested in joining him. Dannflor does make me realize that the logic wasnt great. But I'm not sure if that's something BS was considering. I kinda think he truly believed his own logic regardless of his alignment
Gamma was right, the logic of lynching RC on D1 without even a single cause for suspicion, really made very little sense. I don’t know if he’s scum though. His reaction to it isn’t pinging me but the thing is he self-voted and put himself at L-1, so if he’s scum and that lynch would have gone through, it would look great for RC, so I’m thinking bad town over scum rn. I wish RC hadn’t have replaced out, because then we would know if BS continues to hardpush for this. If he did, it would be more than reasonable to assume he was probable scum. So now, we’ll never get to find that out.
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Post #146 (isolation #23) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:15 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
In post 143, Dannflor wrote:You're also either purposefully dumb-telling here or still haven't read the setup. Scum can only choose to prime or ignite once per night. They would have had to prime RC tonight, and then ignite the next night in order to kill him. It is impossible for anyone to die tonight.
Yes, but he could get doused N1.
Then ignited as stump.
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Post #148 (isolation #25) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:18 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
In post 143, Dannflor wrote:@sheepsaysmeep, I can see the argument for Blatant Scum's, uh... blatant-ness being townie. However, antics like linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things
In post 131, Blatant Scum wrote:PL lynching him tomorrow might end up into him being doused. Wastling 1 night to ignite RC stump might be worth for scum. Wastling 2 night probably not.
Actually, unsure if I misunderstood this sentence. Either way, it would theoretically benefit town to lynch a doused player slightly more than a non-doused town player.
In post 143, Dannflor wrote:You're also either purposefully dumb-telling here or still haven't read the setup. Scum can only choose to prime or ignite once per night. They would have had to prime RC tonight, and then ignite the next night in order to kill him. It is impossible for anyone to die tonight.
Yes, but he could get doused N1.
Then ignited as stump.
Pretty sure Stumps can be primed too.
Scum probably wouldn't waste 2 nights killing a stump.
In post 143, Dannflor wrote:linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things.
meh agree to disagree
i find that this type of erratic behavior is generally too rash to be w shrug
@sheep, I couldn’t understand why the only link that didn’t seem to be working was the one to his scumgame but Dann is right, that link led straight back to this one. So, please explain to me why town!BS does that?
In post 143, Dannflor wrote:@sheepsaysmeep, I can see the argument for Blatant Scum's, uh... blatant-ness being townie. However, antics like linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things
I just want to point out that blatant scum linked to THIS GAME as his scum game ???? (and then confirmed it's correct ???) is this a legit mistake? the worlds stupidest scum slip? reverse psychology?
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Post #183 (isolation #35) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:08 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
In post 176, Dannflor wrote:Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.
people town read you. How has it helped in other games?
I have never been lynched with this account. If you don't count that self lynch in viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81029
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #220 (isolation #38) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:36 pm
Postby Blatant Scum »
Probably not.
I am not planning forward.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
In post 200, Blatant Scum wrote:I have never been lynched with this account. If you don't count that self lynch in viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81029
I would count a self lynch as town as the equivalent of multiple mislynches.
I scumreaded my lover.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #256 (isolation #41) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:05 pm
Postby Blatant Scum »
In post 232, eth0s wrote:But it does seem like he's juicing the "I'm a scummy player" flavor of the account more than normal.
The more you interact with a troll, the more he trolls.
I am having many interactions.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #257 (isolation #42) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:11 pm
Postby Blatant Scum »
In post 248, Dannflor wrote:if BS is the Firefighter than he would claim it at L-1 and we would lynch elsewhere.
Stop discussing PR reads, or I will join.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #262 (isolation #43) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:09 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
eth0s, your playstyle here is absolutely different from what I saw in vengeful mafia.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
In post 262, Blatant Scum wrote:eth0s, your playstyle here is absolutely different from what I saw in vengeful mafia.
What was his playstyle in VM and what was his alignment was in that?
Pasive, lynchbaity.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
In post 262, Blatant Scum wrote:eth0s, your playstyle here is absolutely different from what I saw in vengeful mafia.
What was his playstyle in VM and what was his alignment was in that?
Pasive, lynchbaity.
Why do you think there's a difference?
His reasoning that that game sucked seems working for me.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
Pyrrha Nikos wrote:@BS, stop being so antitown already, I obviously am trying to correctly sort you. I don’t care of your reads are good or not.
In the towngames of yours I ISO’d you had no problem making reads.
Maybe my non-bussing theory is wrong?
I made some reads, cause town to lose the game, decided to change strategy from reader to mech player.
Right now my strategy is to find a strong town read and then sheep it.
I will probably sheep Dennflor this game.
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Do you want me to try to do a (shitty) read list (which I am likely to ignore in the future since even I won't trust it)?
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
In post 287, Dannflor wrote:Speaking of, we getting a rainbow reads list after Pine posts, Penguin?
You can be my new Vedith:
Spoiler:
{Dannflor}
{Psyche}
{Gamma Emerald, Pyrrha Nikos}
{Plotinus, Vedith}
{ }
{Banakai, Sheep}
{eth0s}
{Blatant Scum}
You seem to have same people in "the scummiest" and "the towniest" position as I have.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #451 (isolation #50) » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:56 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
I was prodging a whole game of mine, so I decided I might actually catch up there. This game is second in the queue.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
This is de facto a prodge. I will catch up here today.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #535 (isolation #53) » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:09 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
I will catch up. Reads will either go tommorow, or if noone pressure, perhaps never.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
In post 535, Blatant Scum wrote:I will catch up. Reads will either go tommorow, or if noone pressure, perhaps never.
how about if you're town you just tell us what you're thinking
Dannflor is a sheepable town.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #539 (isolation #55) » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:12 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
Wow, I really trolled this game a lot.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #543 (isolation #56) » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:22 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
It was a serious intention. When it started to be discussed a lot, I figured up, that the first person who would stop talking about it and would actually try to scum hunt would be likely town.
The problem is that town went from talking about mechanics to talking about me!scum.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #544 (isolation #57) » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:23 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
In post 542, eth0s wrote:I'm obviously already at the point where it doesn't matter what I'll say and I'll be lynched. Whether you agree with my lynch or not that should definitely be seen as a bad thing especially given no counter wagon and how people are just sliding by this game and making weak ass pushes.
You can claim Firefighter.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #546 (isolation #58) » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:25 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
I like Pyrrha for not voting me and then trying to make me do reads.
Not like in sense that I am happy that I am being forced to do reads, but like in sense that I see town points there.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
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Post #547 (isolation #59) » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:26 am
Postby Blatant Scum »
In post 545, eth0s wrote:Anyway I'm L-1 so I'm a tree. I'll be around tomorrow to remind everyone how badly people handled my slot while I was alive.
p-edit: and you didn't think that people would consider you to be scum for taking that approach?
No. And I still see it as a pro-town strategy.
Don’t forget about how when I asked him for a link to his scumgame, he linked THIS game. - Pyrrha Nikos
He usually never puts effort into reads like that, which does sometimes get him scumread, but since he was on an alt and we didn't know his meta, I can see CL!him making reads as an exception since he knows he'll probably be scumread otherwise.
-Hectic
