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I read everything before I replaced in and all I remember was 10 pages of not-actually-useful-content mostly made by my own slot no less so that didn't really help me.
If wake would like to come along and play the game I'd be inclined fo tell everyone to crawl down out of his asshole, but until he does uhh go off I guess. His L1 thing is NAI but if it's actually an excuse not to have his vote in play then I'm not here for it
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This is terrible-postingIn post 287, Saladman27 wrote:I just woke up and 10 pages appeared, Timezones, amirite?
I didn’t like the TvT clash between sausage and wimp, (yes I tr both of them). About vork, I can see why he would be scum but last time I’ve seen scum!Vork, he was too obvscum to be scum and won the game that way.
I can't even decipher what you're talking about here but you've contradicted yourself some 10 posts apart. Wimpy v saudade is TvT, but now its scummy that saudade focuses on wimpy?In post 300, Saladman27 wrote:Yoink, I find it scummy that Saudade focuses on either wimpy or wake, just judging the other people on who they side with. Plank, why did you vote Vork?
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Join me frenIn post 302, alimdia wrote:
Sadalaman: I'm not happy with his contributions so far.
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Oh please don't tell me saladman is mislynch bait I hate when I'm not allowed to push on people doing bad things because they always do bad things HaHa lol so randumbIn post 309, Vorkuta wrote:I've seen town!salad be really inconsistent that way as well.-
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Can you spoonfeed me a reason for plank-town? I have a lot of lazy scumreads and he's one of them, help me narrow things down friendIn post 459, Saudade wrote:I had UltimatePlank marked as scum in my mind but now I feel otherwise-
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Based on your post above, edited for clarity, you should be looking for someone who was on the wake wagon who didn't then join your wagon.In post 435, Looker wrote:
I feel it was opportunistic scum, honestly. When people don't have to give reasoning, anybody can jump on a wagon.In post 405, profii wrote:Lack of protest of the wake wagon falling down is noted. Any thoughts from anyone?
I would investigate those members on the Wake wagon. My wagon's experiencing resistance because: (A) The reasoning is weirdly selective - you target me over Element despite him having no content (B) The scum that jumped on Wake looking for a quicklynch would look hella scummy if they hopped on my wagon with no hesitationIn post 415, alimdia wrote: Finally, the wake wagon filled up really fast with a very small amount of resistance, and fell away as fast.
Whereas this looker wagon has some real resistance to it. People are either not commenting on it or parking their votes on people with just 1 vote. We need to pressure this slot more.
Join me on this wagon!
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So, here's the deal: I'll keep my vote on Elements until he returns or is replaced out; however, upon his return and input, I'm prepared to place my final vote of D1.
1. Well who is it?
2. Why do you instead continue to have a bizarre fixation on Elements instead? If there was a time to move on over to bigger and better things it's with this post, but instead you posture about how you're going to move and continue to vote park someone who at the time wasn't even here.-
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Oh. Sorry my eyes tend to glaze over when I see long-posting and my memory is literal garbage. Please accept this as a pre-emptive apology for when I inevitably angrily demand answers to questions that have already been asked/answered by other people even on the same damn page. I mean well, honest.
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Welcome to Mafia, where the rules are made up and the points don't matter!In post 470, alimdia wrote:
...... so how do we yield scum then?In post 457, Saudade wrote:Let me remind you all that just because your points may be correct and make sense, that does not mean that the case you've built will yield scum at the end of it
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Looker, both alimdia and I asked you essentially the same question and you took the time to make an entire wall of text without addressing either of us about it. You even took the time to *remove* my question from your quote wall while you responded to my point #2, so it's not like you didnt see it.
My vote stays until i have an answer. Stop dodging the subject.-
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Looker, despite your uhh standoffish nature I can read between the lines and see where your head is at. That being said I don't agree with sitting on our hands for days at a time while you wait, for the second time this phase, for someone to come back from VLA before you play. California is on fire. Like, all of it. All the time. Saladman isn't coming back any time soon.
Why do you pick Plank over Saladman in this scenario? From where I'm sitting it seems odd that you're so confident in your plank read, and your stated reasoning is that he...sheeps wagons.-
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Why are you doing this exactly?In post 521, UltimatePlank wrote:wow typing with capital letters so much effort imo
VOTE: Elements
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Based on what? Show me your big beautiful brain processesIn post 526, Saudade wrote:If wake88 flips scum Looker is scum as well
Why are you even mad?In post 527, Saudade wrote:Lynch wake get two scum, enough of this horseshit-
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OkayIn post 535, UltimatePlank wrote:
because looker is obviously stubborn and doesnt care to claim until he feels ready, and even if put to L-1 with intent probably doesn't give a shit on principleIn post 530, Elbirn wrote:
Why are you doing this exactly?In post 521, UltimatePlank wrote:wow typing with capital letters so much effort imo
VOTE: Elements
new and exciting direction for this game wow so exciting
i have problems with Elements' play and i think that's a better tree to bark up until we're collectively ready to lynch someone
also i agree with alimdia here regarding looker as the most independently scummy. i also think scum!Looker implicates others here too, whereas them being scum doesn't necessarily implicate looker
Cool
But what are the problems you have with elements play
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You will find that being wrong is not a scumtell.In post 536, UltimatePlank wrote: obviously if someone pushes a wagon hard and that wagon turns green, you look at that person? you don't immediately consider they're scum, but you look at that possibility for sure
but he questions why we would do that, saying, "obviously alimdia is just cock sure"
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There really isn't. Everyone's chomping at the bit to get either a hammer or a claim and it's an easy place for scum to hide right now.In post 576, alimdia wrote:Theres very heavy resistance on this Looker wagon-
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1. You have a way of deflecting or approaching conversation in a way that seems disingenuous. I will also insist for the second time that you respect that other players go on VLA for personal reasons.In post 560, Looker wrote:In post 514, Elbirn wrote:Looker, despite your uhh standoffish nature I can read between the lines and see where your head is at. That being said I don't agree with sitting on our hands for days at a time while you wait, for the second time this phase, for someone to come back from VLA before you play. California is on fire. Like, all of it. All the time. Saladman isn't coming back any time soon.
Why do you pick Plank over Saladman in this scenario? From where I'm sitting it seems odd that you're so confident in your plank read, and your stated reasoning is that he...sheeps wagons.- I didn't think I was standoffish. Standoffish would be lurking and going V/LA.
- If you don't like absent players, consult the Mod; that's not my fault
- Salad's not in California; he's in Australia
- As opposed to being confident in alimdia's "Looker doesn't sheep wagons"?
2. I'm not the one here who has a problem with people going VLA. My point here that you should have grasped is that you don't get to use other peoples absences as an excuse for not playing the game.
3. You know something you're right, I saw him mention wildfires and just assumed he was from Cali. Its immaterial to the game but yeah.
4. Your "whataboutism" doesn't appeal to me bud. I want you to talk about your scumreads, not deflect. Play the game instead of stonewalling, it makes you difficult to read and if you're town you should want my support on your preferred lynches and I've been really transparent about wanting to work WITH you. If you show me you have a thought process re: plank/salad then I can come around to a townread on you and possibly support for a lynch on one of those two.
Thought experiment: presume you are town. There are probably 2 scum in a setup this size. 4 people are voting for you. 4 is larger than 2. Even if all scum are voting you, there are several people who are town who are simply *wrong* in thinking you're scum.In post 560, Looker wrote:
I don't like that lack of accountability. What's the difference between being "wrong" and intentionally lynching town?In post 538, Elbirn wrote:
You will find that being wrong is not a scumtell.In post 536, UltimatePlank wrote: obviously if someone pushes a wagon hard and that wagon turns green, you look at that person? you don't immediately consider they're scum, but you look at that possibility for sure
but he questions why we would do that, saying, "obviously alimdia is just cock sure"
like, what?
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Can you come up with a better wagon than wake? This game state sucks but I'm not lynching someone because "man play game bad, bad game play man badman"In post 584, Saudade wrote:This looker wagon is made out of players mostly having a hard time getting into the game who were awfully silent in the first 10 pages, odds are its a bad lynch and my wagon on wake is far better
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But people have been insisting on a claim for *days*, even at L-2 and no intent. Playing like that is just going to out power roles and I'm not used to people being like that. In other games people would be shitting down each others throats for that.In post 616, alimdia wrote:I mean gotta claim before hammer, I wouldn't say thats way too eager?
Also deadline in like 3 days, we won't learn shit without a flip.
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Plank are you Psyche, that would be rly funIn post 605, UltimatePlank wrote:
"this is also my opinion thanks for having it" - psycheIn post 601, Elbirn wrote: This game state sucks but I'm not lynching someone because "man play game bad, bad game play man badman"-
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Because I am a team playerIn post 674, profii wrote:Elbirn why did you unvote Looker so easily at Saudades request
Also well done almidia - you were sharp on that scum read of looker
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I was wondering the same myself earlier, I've been thinking that 3 scum vs. 8 town is too high a ratio, doesn't give town much breathing room. Like imagine that being the setup and town mislynching/scum killing every cycle: day 3 would be 7p mylo with 3 scum, 4 town, and 4 votes necessary to lynch.In post 679, profii wrote:Has anyone ever played a 11p game before
I’ve played 9 (2 scum)
And 13 (3 scum)
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Profi you're adorable dont make me yell at youIn post 684, profii wrote:
I pretty certain about Almidia as wellIn post 677, Elbirn wrote:
Because I am a team playerIn post 674, profii wrote:Elbirn why did you unvote Looker so easily at Saudades request
Also well done almidia - you were sharp on that scum read of looker
I'm inclined to think almidia is beyond suspicion with how yesterday went
But I don’t buy the team player reason - you remove your vote at request of Saudade who, at the time wasn’t exactly summoning the masses to vote with him as the Wake wagon had been and gone.
2 posts later you were asking him to explain his logic so I can’t rationalise your position where you are following a player you don’t understand and calling it team play
Also - there are a couple of examples of you specifically not rejoining the wagon - as reluctant as Looker was to claim, there was a lot of pressure on him to do it. A lot of pressure = what the team want, but you think team play is not helping that effort
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Let me give you an actual answer:
Saudade asked me to unvote so looker wasnt at L-1. I considered this to be reasonable. That's all there is to that.
As for not rejoining the wagon you should find that I am always wary of the day 1 "low charisma" mislynch. This game is a popularity contest, especially day 1. If you read my back and forth with Looker I tried to give him every opportunity to talk his way out of his lynch because I thought yall were whipped up into that mob mentality fervor over someone who wasn't doing a good job of being liked.
I wanted an opportunity to read someone under pressure. You all wanted a flip. *Big shrugs*-
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This also should not have been outed, please everyone stop claiming when it isn't neededIn post 685, profii wrote:
Well I wasn’t going to say it but yes I would imagine you are right. I was trying to predict the night kill last night and I thought it would be you but I’m glad to see you alive and wellIn post 682, alimdia wrote:Anyone that speedhammers today must hang tomorrow.
Also no lynching is dumb. I'm pretty sure scum shot at me last night as confirmed town.
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@Ali I wasnt blaming you, it was profi, he simply shouldnt have claimed just now.
I need to read again and do this all proper like but my immediate preliminary thoughts are saudade = scum harping on wake all day over engaging the looker wagon, Plank also looks bad but im worried they're the wrong for the right reasons type I detailed earlier. The whole being wrong =/= scum rant I did before, you know the one. I'll get back to ya-
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That isnt why I'm voting you silly-willyIn post 782, Saudade wrote:Eibirn talk too just voting me because i asked you to unvote on the scum wagon isnt good enough-
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Just wanna bring this up again / betcha his scum buddy was the mystery scum from the wake wagon who wouldn't jump on the looker wagonIn post 435, Looker wrote:
I feel it was opportunistic scum, honestly. When people don't have to give reasoning, anybody can jump on a wagon.In post 405, profii wrote:Lack of protest of the wake wagon falling down is noted. Any thoughts from anyone?
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I would investigate those members on the Wake wagon. My wagon's experiencing resistance because: (A) The reasoning is weirdly selective - you target me over Element despite him having no content (B) The scum that jumped on Wake looking for a quicklynch would look hella scummy if they hopped on my wagon with no hesitationIn post 415, alimdia wrote:
Hope it goes away soon!In post 412, Elbirn wrote:I have a really bad headache I'll play later
Finally, the wake wagon filled up really fast with a very small amount of resistance, and fell away as fast.
Whereas this looker wagon has some real resistance to it. People are either not commenting on it or parking their votes on people with just 1 vote. We need to pressure this slot more.
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If my hypothesis is right then scum is in vorkuta/saudade/zoteIn post 664, Montosh wrote:
I have learned nothing except that we should stay the course, thanks for reading-
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In post 946, Saudade wrote:I claim even night tracker, guess what I got boysAre these related?
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Because Profi isn't scum
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Oh good, saudade is this over?In post 1015, Elements wrote:Everyone except Zote has been online since I posted intent and no one seems to object so
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In post 1032, Wake1 wrote:I targeted Profii last night with my Night 3 1-shot Jailkeeper ability.
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You posted this at ~4AM, I was asleep, bite my big toe
Also wake does not get to decide we're mass claiming
Also also Wake Jailkept his scumread and his very next post was feigned confusion over a No kill, even though the most natural town-conclusion would be that he blocked it, ergo he lies
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Hey Montosh I'm voting wake, not eve. Lots of E names, ez mistake
I'm not around to really play at the moment need to go grocery shopping. But I skimmed profi's post and he's still wrong town, wake tells lies and his lynch pool is, notably, now every single player in the game. Alimdia being a N3 ____ also means wake is lying about his role. Uhh hello Eve. Okay I think that about covers it-
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Well I look at it like this, both roles do essentially the same thing. A jailkeeper is just a doctor that also roleblocks. I'd be dubious if both of them were claimed in the same setup. I am especially dubious considering they both have a N3 modifier. And I think that if scum had a roleblocker, fake claiming jailkeeper makes sense.In post 1208, profii wrote:
This is where I get really confused because in my head it makes sense but... the amount of times I'm right on setup spec = approx 0In post 1206, Elbirn wrote:Theres no world in which theres a N3 Doctor and a N3 Jailkeeper
I also expect wake is the only person here who would no kill every night as scum
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That must be what I was thinking of, thank you. So...if the 2nd scum can multi-task it's because of their role, not explicitly as a part of the setup. Having two scum both of whom have a multi-task modifier would be pointless, you'd just make that part of the setup. So it seems reasonable to deduce that 2nd scum can't multitask. I'm sorry I said multitask so many times. Multitask.In post 1218, profii wrote:
First flip was multitasking in the roleIn post 1216, Elbirn wrote:Did mod announce if scum can multitask? That could explain all the no kills
So maybe the 2nd isn't
Seems low power for a 2 man team
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Okay I'll make you a deal
I'll do my best Elbirn-effort to summarize why its Wake if you can summarize why you suspect eve/salad. You may have already done so elsewhere but uhh I don't remember and I suck. Anyway if we do that we can compare notes and through the power of giving a damn we can actually solve the game instead of speed lynching people one two three break-
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I can be anything you want me to be bb