Mini Normal 2108 : 1st game

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so that argument is like patently ridiculous

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you realize that argument only works if everyone has posted, right?

the people who could do the quickhammer haven't posted since you voted, so that argument is also meaningless

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since you voted ...

before you voted i couldn't be quickhammered

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VOTE: bef

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i mean i asked you about y our vote on me but you ignored me so

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i mean i asked you about y our vote on me but you ignored me so

I'm working my way through the bob wagon. You were the first stop and I think i don't need to go any further atm.

so do you sr me for any reason other than being on the bob wagon or

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i have no idea whether or not they'd be ok with him being vigged; i don't know what power scum have

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like i get what you're saying but the way you're going about clearing him is objectively wrong and i don't want to lose because someoen decided to conftown someone when they objectively aren't

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a) you literally just lost applying this theory, remember?
b) we have no way of ruling out the 'scum are bp' or 'scum have a rolestopper' etc universes because scum presumably wouldn't claim them

like there are there are other explanations
i agree that it's town indicative, and that he isn't the first person i want to lynch today

it is not inherently conftowning tho and i don't want to lose to scum!garmr because he was taken out of the lynch pool for no good reason
if that's the hill i need to die on so be it

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That's not a good reason to conftown someone

in terms of clearing someone based on game play rather than mechanically its one of the best ive ever seen personally.

i'm not sure i understand teh distinction you're applying

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no i'm pointing out that this isn't foolproof and that you're underweighing the odds of scum!bp!garmr (or something along those lines)

it doesn't conftown him

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i don't want to lose to scum!garmr because he was taken out of the lynch pool for no good reason

explain why theyd risk the scenario of wake being conftown d2 and scum losing half their scum team. go on.

i have no idea, it was a dumb nk

he's either bp (or something along those lines) or town, i agree

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i'm not friendly neighbor

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i thought it was you @tchill since everyone else posted during that fracas

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i'm currently at bef/robb

i'm also half-entertaining a one man scumteam (mabye one man scumteam + traitor ?) but i don't know if that's considered normal

idk who else lets bef shoot creature like that

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(mabye one man scumteam + traitor ?)

actually this probably explains a lot

we really should massclaim ffs

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a traitor is for sure

i don't know if traitor + 1man scumteam is

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ive already got scum dead to rights.

scums just mad im conftowning garmr when i mechanically cant. makes the game impossible for scum if garmr is indeed town. which he is. because scum cant be that stupid and risk an auto lose scenario.

i mean they also thought killing creature last night was a good idea so

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ive already got scum dead to rights.

scums just mad im conftowning garmr when i mechanically cant. makes the game impossible for scum if garmr is indeed town. which he is. because scum cant be that stupid and risk an auto lose scenario.

i mean they also thought killing creature last night was a good idea so

in normals can scum complete an action and do the nk?

if they have the multitasking modifier, yeah
otherwise no

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i think bef is groupscum and that there's a traitor, possibly garmr

that would explain waht's going on the best, i think

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yeah but who else lets bef shoot creature

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i have no idea but two groupscum shooting creature over wake is asinine

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* i mean yes traitor is considered weaker than goon and i have no idea how this game is balanced

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yeah i'd never do that, it's ridiculous

anyways do we try to direct the vig shot tonight ?

i don't think wake wants the day to end before he gets back

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vt

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that's policyable

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i think it's bef/garmr

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can you just keep your vote off for now please

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i think it's bef/garmr

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Bef's the only person that nks creature over wake.

His play in mylo has been pretty bad; he shouldnt be voting at all, and his reason is 'i want to vote someone on the bef wagon' is a poor reason to take an action that could end the game if he's town

Most of his arguments during the interaction earlier were p ridiculous as coming from a town perspective, which i pointed out at the time

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Yeah i'm p sure it was me

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it was a bizarre af night kill so yeah i went to go see what creature was thinking

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you missed macho

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you're objectively wrong on clearing garmr, sorry

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i have reasons to tr both of you on play

i have no reason to tr garmr today

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ya it's making me paranoid of garmr/tchill but bef is scum so

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the fact that garmr has been awol today is not giving me warm and fuzzy feelings

(garmr i'm aware of your timezone)

pedit i mean if we lose because you won't confirm friendly neighbor than :shrug:

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i don't tr garmr tho

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no ?

i don't really have anyone who's ok with that nk besides bef so if i'm ignoring a traitor universe than i'm just ignoring this thought process because it doesn't apply to all of you equally

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* i.e. all of you are equally unlikely to make that nk imo

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Tchill play today doesn’t look town. Clearing garmr implies scum together imo. I’ll go with that and if I’m long at least blame me for that.

mindmelded with him a few different times
feel like he's solving the game (i.e. and not just trying to push a mislynch)
i feel like i'm witnessing his thought process in real time, it makes me think it's real

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well it's more that i tr robb and you and odn't tr him

the lack of involvement isn't helping

like i point to things for each of you that look townie today
i can't for him

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i have no idea what's going on with the balance of this game; i can't really make a good estimate without knowing what some scum are so idk

like the game is too small and varying power levels are so different with different combinations of the proposed/claimed roles that like ... they could theoretically all form balanced setups but scum power would differ greatly in each theoretical setup and i have no cornerstone to base this analysis off of because idk what scum have and all i know is that we have an ungated vig

(and maybe a macho townie and maybe a fn)

my best guess is scum have a rolestopper but honestly no idea

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like i don't know enough of the setup to feel confident basing analysis off of it rn

of course massclaim would help but you know

pedit well if he's fn he isn't loyal so there's that, i guess

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we could have an fn but i have no idea what scum would need to make it balanced, that's what i'm trying ot say

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the fact that literally neither side of the fn transaction will confirm that it actually happened makes me doubt that it's real tho on some level

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like i don't know enough of the setup to feel confident basing analysis off of it rn

of course massclaim would help but you know

pedit well if he's fn he isn't loyal so there's that, i guess

Oh Jeeez. I’m sorry. Now you have to scum hunt. Boo hoo

... that's what i've been saying

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fn he isn't loyal so there's that, i guess

well... i was under the impression this was the case. i thought this was what was claimed. damn it.

fn doesn't inherently have a loyal modifier attached to it, if that's what you're thinking

rob just said something along the lines of 'i can be scum and bef can be town' which rules out the possibility of a loyal modifier

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i'm sorry you're having such an unpleasant experience rob :/

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basically im ok with betting the game on garmr not being scum with a BP modifier. Because that is the only scenario where scum would allow wake to live and proceed with his action. if scum have an RB scum just RB wake.

yeah so i'm not

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Ok cool

If i'm right on the tchill tr then it's just bef/garmr

I have no moral or ethical qualms with counting cards, if you're good enough to get an advantage that way than abuse it

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In case it isnt clear friend neighbor doesnt create a neighborhood

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I really dont care about the bp theories. I have no way of knowing what scum do or do not have and i think you're putting too much stock in that analysis

Wake town
Robb can only be scum woth bef
I tr you

That leaves exactly bef/garmr or bef/robb

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No robb should confirm himself on someone else and wake should shoot in you/me/garmr, probably garmr

I think.

I need to sleep but i'll think about this more

Robb is self-clearing, he doesnf need to be shot to get cleared since he can clear himself in other ways

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i think you're putting too much stock in that analysis

you realize from my pov scum will do anything necessary to provide a way to discredit garmr as town?

You realize from my pov as scum this was:
A) a dumb af way to get garmr into the lynch pool
B) a dumb af nk
C) at this point i could just agree with your/wake's logic and try to lynch you instead

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Look. Suppose i did decide to put myself in this position wrt garmr

Path to victory now is: bus bef, have wake shoot rob, kill wake, declare garmr conftown and lynch tchill

Like you're looking at this isolated read and not understanding that it makes no sense in a broader scum agenda

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if we mislynch we cant afford to let robb self clear.

in the case bef is scum id like bef lynched, you shot and robb messaging me.

Bef has to be scum so like i'm not worried about a mislynch rn

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And i'm fine with that outcome @tchill

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We need to figure out how to optimize night actions before ending day

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i think it's bef/garmr

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Good job tchill

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Ok but was it really bef/garmr because it said u were scum in dead pt

Yeah that thing's starting to happen where people are getting really paranoid of me

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No I was cause vig alone isn’t a valid setup. Vig/macho town isn’t either. Nobody else claimed anything. The macho town claim was stupid.

Wouldn't normally make that claim but I didn't expect the mod to put a role in their that lies to scum. what's the point of a strong arm if theirs no protective.

I have other issues with how fhis was modded but a strongman with no protective isnt bastard

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also i swear the fn role for rob was completely random but damn it couldn't have happen to a nicer guy. @garmr the pre set up had a back up vig but no vig but if the vig dies the back up becomes the vig this is a pointless role for town all i did was remove the back up and give you guys the pointless role

....

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like how do i make it to where you all can see the dead thread mod and scum pt

Scroll to bottom of each PT and add all the players names in, then post the links to the game thread.

Oh you can jusf make it public instead of doing that

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I was gonna say

I was gonna have words for CFJ

Just like read all of cyrus's posts in postgame, i've already pm'd implosion

He badically went to the wiki and pulled a bunch of normal roles from there and used that as his setup, if i understand correctly

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So much skitter paranoia in dead thread lol

Also, you didn’t mean to? I’m so confused haha

i didn't know i was to use their role pms so i grab roles from the normal wikki made sure there was 5 town but thought vig would be cool and fn would help just in case scum killed vig on day 1 then also stoung man makes doc jk and everything else point less so i thought i would make a redd hearin .

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Skitt do you think I was right to be TRing you here?

I'm not sure

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Yeah i did

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Idk I feel like the approach of sorting you later is reasonable generally

I guess maybe I should have just been town leaning you? But I think mindmelding with you has been a p valid way to tell that you’re town in the past so long as I wasn’t in the game when you made the posts I mindmelded with

Ya it's probably better to read me late game; i agree with the second paragraph

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Like i said, i didnt think that was a good reason to clear him

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Also i dont think this game was actually supposed to have a vig either

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you pick one random person if no one knows who your going kill isnt that random?

Can you rephase the question?

Technically, yes, wake was basically confirmed in thread by virtue of there being more than one nk, and your posts didnt really reveal anything new, but let's say wake was doing a reaction test, and claimed that he shot creatute even though he shot mena - that sort of post could have ruined the reaction test.

Or maybe scum successfully convinced everyone else that scum vigs were allowed in a normal - suddenly wake wouldnt be considered 'confirmed' anymore, but your post would have then inadvertantly confirmed him.

Make sense?

When i pm'd you about rabid, i was just making sure that you'd seen his request to rep-out, it had been about two irl days at that point. I wasnt suggesting a mod kill, just alerting you to the situation.

I think the way 'asking to be repped out in thread' is usually handled now is just letting the player know (via pm) they should instead request a repout via pm, and then repping them out. In more extreme situations a list mod can be consulted.

Any other questions ?
Feel free to reach out in another game you mod if you have any questions (so long as i'm not in it)