Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[zoraster]

“Killed” is, I think, Elements.

why do you believe this.

[Rautherdir]

Killed could have also been a JOAT shot by a recruited InsideJob. Or some other role.
'Pelted by Arrows' sounds like a mod-kill, if I had to guess.

[zoraster]

Just to remind you:

I killed creature

Creature was sacrificed to Orcus N3! They were Quickdraw Daniels: Cobble-Aligned Super Saint

[gobbledygook]

Why are you so hung up on Elements and his kill, Zoraster? I’m not sure what distinction you’re trying to make about the Creature kill and Elements.

[KidAmn]

Cults of Orcus often make sacrifices in which they pour the victim's blood over their idols of him as well as partaking themselves. Obviously flavour isn't the be-all and end-all, and there's a slim chance it's a cross-shot with the cult kill resolving first, but it seems appropriate flavourwise for either an SK or a Cult. Also, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong since I'm probably not 100% up to date with "the lore" as of 5th Ed/PF2E, but Orcus has lost and gained his godhood a fair few times... a Cult trying to bring about his Ascension again would be some entirely believable flavour.

Vote: Elements

[RCEnigma]

Ok

Can someone kill this

[gobbledygook]

Do you think an SK or otherwise antitown killer would claim an antitown kill?

[Rautherdir]

Do you think an SK or otherwise antitown killer would claim an antitown kill?

People were asking for his kill last night. And he already used the 'I had no target' excuse.

[Cephrir]

I don't think we have enough evidence to lynch elements right now. Cool your jets.

[Rautherdir]

^ this. We can probably leash Elements anyways, no need to kill him now. But we do need to leash him now.

[KidAmn]

If they thought it might earn them towncred or they could pass it off as benevolent 3P, sure.

PEdit: Fine, I suppose this can't go any worse than our last leashed geek

Unvote

Vote: Flavor Leaf

Still think this is correct too.

[RCEnigma]

Night 2 : Korina, EspressoPatronum, zoraster, TrueSoulEnergy, Wooper, Untrod Tripod

Wait
Why couldn't Korina have submitted the kill?

Korina isn't multitasking and Korina sent an item to pisskop and presumably Formerfiah before that.

[zoraster]

Why are you so hung up on Elements and his kill, Zoraster? I’m not sure what distinction you’re trying to make about the Creature kill and Elements.

I understand your confusion, gobble. I'm trying to get a clear picture of what the claims are here. Depending on what the mod tells me I might have more to add, but regardless SOMETHING is off as we're living in a world where Elements either is lying or some very unlikely stuff is happening.

Namely, Elements claims he killed Creature, which has an Orcus flavor. But he ALSO has claimed he did not shoot N2 (or N1? I'm not sure about that), but Menalque had an Orcus flavor as well. So as I see it EITHER (a) TWO people shot Creature -- one Orcus flavor and one so far unascertained Elements flavor and for some reason Elements kill went after and thus did not register despite NAR explicitly saying this doesn't happen["Killing doesn't stop the actions of the dead player. (Imagine that all kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.) " OR (b) Elements is lying about being the Creature kill OR (c) and this is perhaps the thing I think most likely, Elements is lying about the Menalque kill for some reason because it's a scum kill flavor that's hard to explain away but my continued push to get him to claim his target despite his obvious attempts to fade into the background made him believe that I know the information anyway and he needs to claim accurately and explain it away.

Anyway, I am not arguing we need to lynch Elements today, but I am saying something is going on and it's not something that needs to be hidden by town. If Elements is SK, then gate him, use him, lose him later. If he was lying about the Creature kill instead, he's probably scum who doesn't have access to another killing role all the time or knows something happened last night that he doesn't understand.

[Rautherdir]

See, things like this are why we don't end days early, ML.

[zoraster]

the mod has clarified what I needed clarified. I am no longer confused. I think it's almost certainly C. Likely SK.

[Rautherdir]

Wait... that says recruit is supposed to happen after the kill, and that didn't happen with TSE.

[Rautherdir]

^ talking about the link zor posted in 9537

[gobbledygook]

I think the mod clarified that bit, Raur. Iso him. He said cult recruit and kill happen on the same level of NAR.

[gobbledygook]

I take it you asked if there were overlapping kills would the type of death be explicit about that. In other heavy flavor games that has been the case. Ok. So we give Elements a pool of people to kill and if he doesn’t kill within that pool, we kill him.

[Rautherdir]

Alright. I mean it's self evident, unless the cult ever recruited twice then the recruit is happening before or at the same time as kills.

p-edit
We give Elements a very small pool. And don't include obvious town in the list.

[Enter]

I take it you asked if there were overlapping kills would the type of death be explicit about that. In other heavy flavor games that has been the case. Ok. So we give Elements a pool of people to kill and if he doesn’t kill within that pool, we kill him.

Why does this make sense?

[Bingle]

He claimed like some weak role. And not weak as in it does if it visits scum. Just that the power/utility of it is weak to the point he said it was not worth motivating.

I am technically an investigative role, but the worst investigation role I can possibly imagine. I am probably less likely than BB to get useful results.

If we're playing the flavor gaming game, why aren't we forcing a flavor massclaim while we still have a flavorcop to semi ensure that people don't lie about their flavor?

I'm Delilah "Chastity" Fenton, specifically noted to come from a homebrew. From the picture, I'm likely an elf (although the long white/silver hair covers my ears so I might be a human) and probably either a paladin or and inquisitor. Full plate, bigass sword.

Wooper push looks pretty garbo for EP specifically. All Amrun's role says is that there is a killing role in {EP/Zoraster/Wooper/UT} which targeted FF IF the flavorspec that an Aasimar killed FF is accurate, and the false dichotomy of that role being Wooper/Zor is just that. I can't remember any good reason to think EP was town recently, and while he did have a few good posts in the early game, nothing wasn't pretty easily fakeable as scum. UT is probably? town by role, but there's nothing preventing a Cult Cop from being scum. Hell, if the cult cop IS scum claiming early like this is a good way to get targeted by cult and kill them.

Amrun's role is best used to give us additional information after our suspect pools are narrow and not to unilaterally guide lynches when there are four potential names in her pool.


FWIW, I'm about 2/3 of the way through on my reread.

[zoraster]

I take it you asked if there were overlapping kills would the type of death be explicit about that. In other heavy flavor games that has been the case. Ok. So we give Elements a pool of people to kill and if he doesn’t kill within that pool, we kill him.

no, actually. Though that'd be a good question to ask I'm not sure if he'd tell me and although the NAR thing was obvious to me, also the fact that why would TWO people kill creature on the same night when one is already pretty iffy? The mod question is something different altogether. Basically I found out that my role had failed last night, which actually makes things much simpler. I don't really want to go into more detail than that.

@mod

if two people kill the same person in a night, will we get two different flavor messages?

[Miss Lane]

Whatever. Y'all do what y'all want.
I'm washing my hands of this.

[Bingle]

If they thought it might earn them towncred or they could pass it off as benevolent 3P, sure.

PEdit: Fine, I suppose this can't go any worse than our last leashed geek

Unvote

Vote: Flavor Leaf

Still think this is correct too.

There is a > 80% chance flavor is town.