Mini 2110: I hate Mafia (Day 8)

[Map Wolf]

If Farkran is town, then I'd rather see him stay alive longer.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Nikos is on V/LA until 12/22?

Are you going to at least be able to play, Nikos?

Hi, just caught up on the game. Yes, I will be able to play. I’m on V/LA since I haven’t been feeling too hot the last couple of weeks but it really shouldn’t impact this game.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

My thoughts, I tr both Hectic, DDL but would prefer they stay around awhile longer, DDL more than Hectic, so I guess that would leave Venmar and Farkran, I guess. I had doubts on Venmar but after Rauth flip, I’m leaning town on him. I’m okay with either being the next lynch.

[GuyInFreezer]

I am confirming that I have made a mod error. For some strange reason when I flipped Rauth I thought this game was a micro. I apologize for such a blatant mistake.

[Hectic]

Still think we should've kept Rau around and treated him as a semi-confirmed town.

grumble grumble
I don't want to be lynched yet.

@Pyrrha: Why did Ray flipping town better your read on Venmar? Rau was a consensus townread, does this mean his flip has bettered your read on everyone then?

Happy to lynch Farkran but he could be useful to keep around. Venmar's probably fine but I'll ISO him again to double check.

[Hectic]

Pyrrha, Map Wolf, DDL, Creature Mime team.
You guys need to sort out which if you is town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Still think we should've kept Rau around and treated him as a semi-confirmed town.

grumble grumble
I don't want to be lynched yet.

@Pyrrha: Why did Ray flipping town better your read on Venmar? Rau was a consensus townread, does this mean his flip has bettered your read on everyone then?

Happy to lynch Farkran but he could be useful to keep around. Venmar's probably fine but I'll ISO him again to double check.

Because he correctly tr Rauth.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pyrrha, Map Wolf, DDL, Creature Mime team.
You guys need to sort out which if you is town.

Are you planning to elaborate on any of this?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pyrrha, Map Wolf, DDL, Creature Mime team.
You guys need to sort out which if you is town.

Still think we should've kept Rau around and treated him as a semi-confirmed town.

grumble grumble
I don't want to be lynched yet.

@Pyrrha: Why did Ray flipping town better your read on Venmar? Rau was a consensus townread, does this mean his flip has bettered your read on everyone then?

Happy to lynch Farkran but he could be useful to keep around. Venmar's probably fine but I'll ISO him again to double check.

My thoughts, I tr both Hectic, DDL but would prefer they stay around awhile longer, DDL more than Hectic, so I guess that would leave Venmar and Farkran, I guess. I had doubts on Venmar but after Rauth flip, I’m leaning town on him. I’m okay with either being the next lynch.

Fypov, how does my wanting not to lynch you today mime indicative? I’m liking your approach to the game and think it’s suboptimal for you to die today, which according post 404, you don’t want anyway but I’m not opposed to it either.

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Still think we should've kept Rau around and treated him as a semi-confirmed town.

grumble grumble
I don't want to be lynched yet.

@Pyrrha: Why did Ray flipping town better your read on Venmar? Rau was a consensus townread, does this mean his flip has bettered your read on everyone then?

Happy to lynch Farkran but he could be useful to keep around. Venmar's probably fine but I'll ISO him again to double check.

Because he correctly tr Rauth.

You mean like literally everyone else in the game? The difference being that Venmar tried to say LAMIST because of it but no one else did

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Venmars approach is self contradictory

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Still think we should've kept Rau around and treated him as a semi-confirmed town.

grumble grumble
I don't want to be lynched yet.

@Pyrrha: Why did Ray flipping town better your read on Venmar? Rau was a consensus townread, does this mean his flip has bettered your read on everyone then?

Happy to lynch Farkran but he could be useful to keep around. Venmar's probably fine but I'll ISO him again to double check.

Because he correctly tr Rauth.

You mean like literally everyone else in the game? The difference being that Venmar tried to say LAMIST because of it but no one else did

Venmars approach is self contradictory

I was just thinking that if Rau was scum than Venmar would be as well but I could see it as a possible TMI too, I suppose.

So, you still think Hectic is the most optimal lynch today?

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I was just thinking that if Rau was scum than Venmar would be as well but I could see it as a possible TMI too, I suppose.

So, you still think Hectic is the most optimal lynch today?

I had the same thought, actually, lemme see where I got that from, cuz I dismissed it recently as only being gut but I might have been wrong.

Of the players in the current list, Hectic is probably the best as far as lynching strong town reads first. Farkran I think is possibly the only person I think more likely to flip town in our group (although I think I'm somewhat town reading DDL as well).

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So I think my number one scum read if Rau had flipped scum would be Farkran, TBH

I think my Venmar read was mostly gut

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I just skimmed both ISOs and I didn't see anything that made one largely likely scum over the other other than the fact that Venmar is pushing Rau as a lunch earlier.

Hectic recently became a better lynch, though, because I think they're likely town, and because if the flip scum, I think we avoid Venmar, but if they flip town we should flip Venmar next, because I think a town Hectic means Venmar is also town

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I'm not all too strong on the logic in my last post, like I said earlier, Venmars approach doesn't really make sense from town, but pushing hectic right now mostly makes sense if he's town, I think. There are some small cases where he does it as scum and it wouldn't surprise me if he did, but I'd feel more comfortable with his alignment of Hectic flips town

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I was just thinking that if Rau was scum than Venmar would be as well but I could see it as a possible TMI too, I suppose.

So, you still think Hectic is the most optimal lynch today?

I had the same thought, actually, lemme see where I got that from, cuz I dismissed it recently as only being gut but I might have been wrong.

Of the players in the current list, Hectic is probably the best as far as lynching strong town reads first. Farkran I think is possibly the only person I think more likely to flip town in our group (although I think I'm somewhat town reading DDL as well).

Yeah, I think Hectic is probably wrong on DDL. Thinking it over, if it’s between those 3, Farkran may be better to keep around longer, so I’m leaning Hectic. It’s too bad there aren’t stumps in this setup, because then we’d just boom, boom, boom, keep lynching the towniest of players without needing to consider a particular player’s utility to town and I think that’s arguably true for all 3.

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alright i'll be honest i think venmar has the most mime equity of anyone in the game

his posts are remarkably omgus-y - he attacks and shades me multiple times this game (which is specifically what i was trying to avoid by claiming mime) without real discourse or reason and while simultaneously agreeing with me

his actions seem directly contrary to what he is saying

hectic flipping town would make me feel slightly more comfortable with him being town but i'd still scum read him. i'm willing to lynch him because i think a lot of people disagree with me on my read of him and i'd rather get him over with sooner rather than flip him late and then realize the whole read on the game is wrong or no lynch because we tried to push elsewhere and people were insistent that we flip venmar. i also don't want any of his posts in the thread anymore, i think a large portion of them are largely counter to what is productive and helpful for town, and i can get into this more when i get back from work tonight.

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I was just thinking that if Rau was scum than Venmar would be as well but I could see it as a possible TMI too, I suppose.

So, you still think Hectic is the most optimal lynch today?

I had the same thought, actually, lemme see where I got that from, cuz I dismissed it recently as only being gut but I might have been wrong.

Of the players in the current list, Hectic is probably the best as far as lynching strong town reads first. Farkran I think is possibly the only person I think more likely to flip town in our group (although I think I'm somewhat town reading DDL as well).

Yeah, I think Hectic is probably wrong on DDL. Thinking it over, if it’s between those 3, Farkran may be better to keep around longer, so I’m leaning Hectic. It’s too bad there aren’t stumps in this setup, because then we’d just boom, boom, boom, keep lynching the towniest of players without needing to consider a particular player’s utility to town and I think that’s arguably true for all 3.

yeah, i agree.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

So I think my number one scum read if Rau had flipped scum would be Farkran, TBH

I think my Venmar read was mostly gut

I just skimmed both ISOs and I didn't see anything that made one largely likely scum over the other other than the fact that Venmar is pushing Rau as a lunch earlier.

Hectic recently became a better lynch, though, because I think they're likely town, and because if the flip scum, I think we avoid Venmar, but if they flip town we should flip Venmar next, because I think a town Hectic means Venmar is also town

So you think Rau/Farkran, Hectic/Venmar are likely the same alignment. I can see Rau/Farkran but why Hectic/Venmar?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Hectic

I can get aboard this but I agree, Venmar should probably be resolved at some point, probably sooner than later.

[DrDolittle]

My thoughts, I tr both Hectic, DDL but would prefer they stay around awhile longer, DDL more than Hectic, so I guess that would leave Venmar and Farkran, I guess. I had doubts on Venmar but after Rauth flip, I’m leaning town on him. I’m okay with either being the next lynch.

Why do you want me to stay? I'm putting in epsilon effort this game.

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I think Venmars push on Hectic is pretty opposite to what he'd want to do based on the post he made right before it. It's weak, I know, I don't feel all that strongly about it

[DrDolittle]

I am really confused is this game supposed to be a flipless or rauth flipped with one less vote on him

[DrDolittle]

Hmm. I'm town reading mapwolf now