The Root of Toxicity in Mafia Games
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this is at nancy?In post 75, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't agree but I think that my ideal of what the limits should be includes stuff that you aren't even consideringis cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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In post 71, RadiantCowbells wrote:The good thing is that it only works so many times as scum; once you become known for being shitty as scum you stop getting TR for it
It works a lot better if you have a meta of only being toxic as town because then it effectively becomes a trust tell that doesn't violate any rules
I have to agree with the point you're making here. Especially as someone who finds forum mafia more "meaningful" than face to face mafia, it seems really unpalatable to be able to bring a mechanic that seems to have the same flavor back into the game.In post 72, RadiantCowbells wrote:like if you only get riled up enough as town to be really nasty then it clears you and it's not exactly 'trying to maintain a meta' it's just it is what it is and no one is going to encourage you to act awfully as scum in the interest of fairness
I think the rules on toxicity should be a lot tighter than they currently are. I think most toxicity in mafia happens because it gets results and a solid 10-15% of games are won or lost by a race to the bottom with whichever faction is willing to play dirtier taking the win."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Like?In post 75, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't agree but I think that my ideal of what the limits should be includes stuff that you aren't even considering
The closest I’ve come to a pl in a game was this guy who made it blatantly clear he intended to prod dodge the entire game and never vote until he got lynched because he refused to replace out, eventhough he clearly had 0 intention of playing.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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In post 75, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't agree but I think that my ideal of what the limits should be includes stuff that you aren't even considering
Are you planning to elaborate?In post 79, RadiantCowbells wrote:that is at Nancy**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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I prefer to come in, make meaningful but vague we overarching statements that give no one any specific ideas for policy changes or what I don't like, then I get to have a superiority complex and complain for years instead of enacting meaningful change and not being able to complain anymore.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Alright, gotcha.In post 81, RadiantCowbells wrote:I prefer to come in, make meaningful but vague we overarching statements that give no one any specific ideas for policy changes or what I don't like, then I get to have a superiority complex and complain for years instead of enacting meaningful change and not being able to complain anymore.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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(an example of something I think should be banned is threats of blacklist in mafia games. Blacklisting someone outside of game should be fine but using it as a tool to beat people with should not.)2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Threatening people with a lot of things is p toxic, IMO. It also doesn't necessarily make sense - if someone doesn't wanna stop doing something just because you say stop, why would they want to do it to avoid being on your black list?In post 83, RadiantCowbells wrote:(an example of something I think should be banned is threats of blacklist in mafia games. Blacklisting someone outside of game should be fine but using it as a tool to beat people with should not.)is cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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oh that's a different kind of threat than I considered
but also threatening someone cuz you think they're scum is extra dumbis cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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wait i understand
you're saying someone might threaten a player with a blacklist because the player thinks taht someone is scum. got it
OMGUS blacklist threat
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People could still find their way around that unfortunately by just saying they don’t want to play with player X ever again, which isn’t technically the same but close enough but yeah, mods should take a harsher line on that because it obviously involves outside influences.In post 83, RadiantCowbells wrote:(an example of something I think should be banned is threats of blacklist in mafia games. Blacklisting someone outside of game should be fine but using it as a tool to beat people with should not.)
I would also add pl ing any player who tries to prove their alignment based on whether or not they pick up their role pm. Like that 100% would get you banned on MU. Similar to saying what town vs. scum!you would do wrt replace outs. As in the trust tell thread:
Okay: I have/haven’t ever replaced out/failed to pick up prods as x alignment.
Not Okay: I would NEVER replace out/fail to pick up prods as x alignment.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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oh, yeah i get it..
tbh i agree w/ p much everything you're saying
but also i don' tknow how to fix it from a moderator standpoint
probably at least partially because i'm not a mod
so my only option is to try to fix it from player standpoint -> policy lynchis cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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It's already against the rules though.In post 89, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I would also add pl ing any player who tries to prove their alignment based on whether or not they pick up their role pm. Like that 100% would get you banned on MU. Similar to saying what town vs. scum!you would do wrt replace outs. As in the trust tell thread:
It doesn't need a policy lynch2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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People might do it for a cheap townread and it usually is done by town but scum!Maria did that to RC in MG. It might be hard to totally regulate that though.In post 84, Enter wrote:
Threatening people with a lot of things is p toxic, IMO. It also doesn't necessarily make sense - if someone doesn't wanna stop doing something just because you say stop, why would they want to do it to avoid being on your black list?In post 83, RadiantCowbells wrote:(an example of something I think should be banned is threats of blacklist in mafia games. Blacklisting someone outside of game should be fine but using it as a tool to beat people with should not.)**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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lolIn post 92, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
People might do it for a cheap townread and it usually is done by town but scum!Maria did that to RC in MG. It might be hard to totally regulate that though.In post 84, Enter wrote:
Threatening people with a lot of things is p toxic, IMO. It also doesn't necessarily make sense - if someone doesn't wanna stop doing something just because you say stop, why would they want to do it to avoid being on your black list?In post 83, RadiantCowbells wrote:(an example of something I think should be banned is threats of blacklist in mafia games. Blacklisting someone outside of game should be fine but using it as a tool to beat people with should not.)
wait maria did taht
never really talked to/played with her, but i always got the impression she was a nice and at least somewhat reasonable person
wow that's like a next level shitty thing to do, i would expect shit like that from like TSE or other players i've encountered recently, but definitely not a skittle , lolis cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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Another thing should not be tolerated. Persival literally threatened me with a temp ban in a game, eventhough I didn’t break any rules, so that should never be allowed. He wasn’t the mod btw.In post 85, RadiantCowbells wrote:Just because you think someone's scum doesn't mean you dislike the person and doesn't mean you'd want to never play with them again.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includesthreats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudgesfrom one game to another.
The idea that threatening to blacklist someone is not good mafia is already in the spirit of how people want games to be a approached. It just an enforcement/drawing a line in the sand issue on preventing the behavior, keeping it from being rewarded, etc."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Ha ha ha ha ha, very funny.In post 95, OkaPoka wrote:i think calling yourself obvtown is pretty toxic lets ban that too no kap**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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i think people ahve called themselves obvtown in a pretty toxic / unaware way before
but i think taht it's not toxic by definitionis cancelled. Apologies to all who signed up.[/color]-
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She announced a matter-of-fact blacklisting, I don't think she threatened to blacklist contingent on RC's future behavior, which would be much worse. I don't think she did it to get townread, I think she was actually very angry.In post 93, Enter wrote:
lolIn post 92, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
People might do it for a cheap townread and it usually is done by town but scum!Maria did that to RC in MG. It might be hard to totally regulate that though.In post 84, Enter wrote:
Threatening people with a lot of things is p toxic, IMO. It also doesn't necessarily make sense - if someone doesn't wanna stop doing something just because you say stop, why would they want to do it to avoid being on your black list?In post 83, RadiantCowbells wrote:(an example of something I think should be banned is threats of blacklist in mafia games. Blacklisting someone outside of game should be fine but using it as a tool to beat people with should not.)
wait maria did taht
never really talked to/played with her, but i always got the impression she was a nice and at least somewhat reasonable person
wow that's like a next level shitty thing to do, i would expect shit like that from like TSE or other players i've encountered recently, but definitely not a skittle , lol
I guess it's mafia and maybe I was being fooled and I'm getting wolfed even after the game is over as a little vanilla townie and all that but I don't want to believe bad things about MariaR :/"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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