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[Dunnstral]

I forgot to unvote

UNVOTE: Dolly Parton

[Luca Blight]

Let's get something agreed then. I will accept leaving Dolly alive for now as long as she is lynched Tomorrow.

Who do you want to lynch instead?

[Hectic]

Hey, Dolly: Don't self-vote if you're town please, it's never the correct play. It may be frustrating to be scumread, but mafia win off of town mislynching each other, so it's simply part of the game.

Could you give us a quick shotgun reads list of everyone in order? Explanations aren't necessary but would be helpful.

[Hectic]

Still undecided between Wake and Dave. Need to hear more from both really.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Menalque

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Menalque

Yes, this one

[Hectic]

Ah, I get it.
*taps your nose*

VOTE: Menalque

[Menalque]

VOTE: dolly

[Hectic]

VOTE: Dolly

You didn't learn from norwee and you will just repeat the same mistake

This is on Luca.

that was the hammer.

and...

Even-Night Doc.

Nothing changes.

How many votes was Dolly on when she posted this? Did she actually believe she'd just hammered herself or is that scum fake self-hammering for some juicy AtEcred?

[Hectic]

There hasn't been a votecount for quite a while. Could we get one please, mod?

[Menalque]

I think that’s scum fake self hammering

And I think that scum even night doc makes sense as a balance to town odd night vig, and that even night doc, town roleblocker, town jk is too much protective power for town

[Menalque]

And I appreciate the argument for keeping her alive just in case but frankly if we have two town protectives who both failed to protect conftown then they both deserve to be lynched

[Hectic]

Lul, Menalque has a thing for lynching protective roles, doesn't he? Though I get the logic here obviously.

Answer the question I've asked 3 times now, Mene.

[Menalque]

My only doubt on Mene right now is his weird gamestate scumread on Luca. He was townreading Wake to such an extent that he thought Wake was the counterwagon to Luca? Why couldn't it have been TvT, and

why is Wake the scum over Luca in the case of TvS?

His short answers to my questions on it indicate he doesn't really want to talk about it much either.

Didn't the Wake wagon come up first?
I'm not sure about the underlined part, the first part says you think Mena thought Luca was scum over Wake.

Pedit: @Luca: For that VC look at the relative times of the first votes on you/split/wake. People talk "counter" in terms of numbers/competing wagons but timing could matter as well. Yeah, I can look for it too, possibly will.

Yeah, so if the Wake wagon came up first, why would a Luca counterwagon mean Luca was scum? Doesn't it make more sense for Wake to be scum and Luca town since he came after?

But you're saying the opposite of the underlined part now. You asked a question why is Wake scum over Luca, and then answered it by saying he is. If you agree with it then why are you asking the question? Much confusion...

Oh, right. That should say: "why is Luca scum over Wake in the case of TvS?"

^Whenever you're ready, Mene.

@Mene

I was never townreading wake so much I got mixed up on the orders of the wagon formation

[pisskop]

VOTE: unvote

[Dolly Parton]

VOTE: Dolly

You didn't learn from norwee and you will just repeat the same mistake

This is on Luca.

that was the hammer.

and...

Even-Night Doc.

Nothing changes.

How many votes was Dolly on when she posted this? Did she actually believe she'd just hammered herself or is that scum fake self-hammering for some juicy AtEcred?

I knew it wasn't a hammer. I just wanted to see if we could get anything out of it. Nothing notable in the reactions imo.

[Dolly Parton]

Could you give us a quick shotgun reads list of everyone in order? Explanations aren't necessary but would be helpful.

I'll try to do this later. I most likely will be a horrible list.

Dave, Dunn and Menal are my current picks for today's lynch to hold you over.

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 4.06

Menalque

(3): Luca Blight, Dunnstral, Hectic

Wake88

(2): Reundo, davesaz

davesaz

(1): Tea

Dolly Parton

(1): Menalque

Not Voting

(3): Dolly Parton, Wake88, pisskop

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-12-18 20:30:00)

[Dolly Parton]

VOTE: Menalque

Just noticed the deadline is almost here.

[Menalque]

Hot take: Menalque and Dolly have been hard defending each other while trying to look like they don't care about the other

I'll take any defense. EIther they are scum and know I'm town or they are Good Town who knows what's up.

Nor

You've been one of my top TRs all game. Watching you destroy that is heart breaking.

What is the count? Am I at the claim stage?

Omegalul if Wake Menalque and Dolly are all town and scum turns out to be a deepwolf

I don't know about Menalque but I'm town.

The Scum Five:

Menalque, Wake, Dolly, Davesaz, Pisskop

I made VCA cases on Wake, Dave and Pisskop.

So The Final Scum:

Dave and Pisskop.

***Maybe Wake/Hectic.
****Prolly not Hectic
*****Wake maybe.

What’s your read on Menalque?

Spamming scum comes to mind tbh after a quick ISO skim.

VOTE: Menalque

I think Wake is the ‘correct’ lynch today, tbh. Even if he’s Town he’s going to a liability later in the game. It would also give some valuable info regarding wagons this game.

I’m not sure why but I feel less inclined to lynch Dolly. I think it should either be Wake or Menalque for the chop today.

Here is a question for you.

Who do we need on the Wake or Menal wagons to get the most info out of these 2 lynches.

Could you give us a quick shotgun reads list of everyone in order? Explanations aren't necessary but would be helpful.

I'll try to do this later. I most likely will be a horrible list.

Dave, Dunn and Menal are my current picks for today's lynch to hold you over.

VOTE: Menalque

Just noticed the deadline is almost here.

I think this is again a v bad progression to where we are now

I’m vaguely disappointed in Luca for thinking I’m scum after yesterday, or at least thinking I’m more likely to flip scum than wake or dolly or maybe Dave who I don’t really have thoughts on

[Menalque]

Like Norway is an easy pocket if I wanted to do that, and he was TRing me hard enough by the end that I could have even flipped off him at the end and had him hard pocketed

There’s really very little incentive for scum!me to play like I did yesterday vs easier routes like pushing the wake lynch

[Menalque]

I also started pushing Norway before Luca started really pushing A50 which removes the ability of anyone to criticise me for hard defending scum because scum wasn’t under attack when I started going after nor

[Luca Blight]

And I’m disappointed in your play today. I think Dolly is the more likely to flip scum, but as we’ve covered it makes sense leaving her alive until tomorrow.

[Menalque]

But yeah, I know I’ve been sort of lethargic today (game day) so I get it if I seem off tonally and you’re lynching me for that because you can’t get over it

But I am vaguely disappointed that anyone who knows me here at all thinks I’m scum

Final couple of things in case I get hammered before I get back:

Luca is town
Reundo is town for the timing of when they efforted I think
Dunn is town if dolly is scum and probably town anyway
Pk can be town but would have liked to see more
Tea is towny but feels weird from gut, can stay in town for now
Hectic is in similar territory to tea bc I alsways struggle with his tone

Dave could be scum
Wake is potentially scum

Dolly is actually scum I think

If it’s radically different to this then I have no idea

I think town has done a decent job apart from misidentifying me

[Menalque]

And I’m disappointed in your play today. I think Dolly is the more likely to flip scum, but as we’ve covered it makes sense leaving her alive until tomorrow.

Idk I can’t really offer you anything other than I poured in loads of effort yesterday just for norway to flip town anyway after not really defending himself

I think the gamestate is okay and headed in the right direction and generally when I’m wrong I ease off the gas a lot the next day