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Hey all, will read to catch up soonish

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I'm going to igore robb, i think
Garmr feels a little weird on the first page, not sure i can articulate why tho

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Wake wanna jump on the robb wagon get a little train going?

"Next stop on robb wagon salty springs"

I'd rather not if it'd lead to a shit-ton of fighting, because that'd do nothing but hurt Town.

Plus it'd take away from, you know, actually hunting Scum.

Yeah i'm not loving garmr instigating a fight with robb, i'm p sure he knows this is not going to end well ...

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Too volatile.

If he gets sus then we'll pursue his ass.

Townie, i think

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So I'm pseudo confirmed town.

Also you were just joking, right?

You're not pulling a Saudade are you?

What's pulling a Sausdade.

Saudade likes to claim masons, irregardless of his actual role

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Townpings on fl
(Super not confident tho)

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Even if it is too early, i don’t see a reason not to act like we aren’t just coming to the right conclusion.

Out of all of us, I’m inherently the ‘scummiest’ thus far, but I’m here to talk with people so they can accurately read me as town.

Actually no, this is bad

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take for granted that Non and Mari are town, I'd be most appreciative, thanks)

Why town!maria

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I dont understand the dunn wagon

VOTE: garmr

Caught up.

I dont particularly like fl, garmr, or tictac. I dont like the wagon they're pushing

Pedit lol hi saudade

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More i dont like that you were instigating a fight with robb, which we all know would not end well

And i dont like how people are hopping onto dunn, you happen to be one of those people

I'm voting you more for the first thing, but the second makes me suspicous of the motivations behind the dunn wagon

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Yeah if you want to cater to robb validating his toxic behaviour that's on you. I'm not going to bend the knee to a man who throws stones in a glass house. You should know that by now if you ever played with me before. People have already mentioned in this thread I have a strong personality.


So what reasons don't you like people hoping on dunn? Like you go reasons but you never really answered the reasons you find wrong.

and the third line just seems like a weak justification to shade a entire wagon with nothing.

I think the best way to handle robb is to just ignore him

You know full well how those sorts of arguments end, in a full-on shitshow usually, so picking a fight with him seems anti-town at best and maliscious at worst

I dont understand what people dont like about dunn, which is why i'm suspicious of the wagon. I dont understand why fl finds what he wrote suspicious. The 'reasons' i dont like it is that i dont understand why it's happening

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I don't like skitter this game. I don't remember her post don't remember her posts being hollow as town.

Cool. Cool cool cool

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I think you're building a whole lot out of very little

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I think you're building a whole lot out of very little

But you see my thought process right?

i think you're trying to manufacture a scumread and reason to vote him

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VOTE: january
hang this lazy mafia

i was actually pinged by her

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Hey Skitt

heya tictac

dunno why scum!garm wants to be a part of a shitshow.

to derail the gamestate and make it unworkable for town

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i wish skitter wasnt here so I could proclaim myself as the best player in the table

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fl i always read the bravado-y stuff as scummy. you're much easier to read when you aren't trying to project confidence

HARD disagree. Especially because you know I’m a player of the game state and reaction testing.

i don't like you agreeing with a bunch of random loltownleans on p4. i espcially don't like when you use it as an oppurtunity to insert yourself into a group of other and make it seem like the obvious, natural conclusion is that we should be tr'ing you

Garmr’s reaction and general ‘tude is townie methinks. It’s not the most appreciated,obvi, not the most popular, but Garmr is townie.

disagree

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wow p8 does great things for my ego

VOTE: flavor leaf

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una is townie

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Oh i knew i replaced robb

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i forgot to say i am very vla on fridays and saturdays, regularly

I will be around tomorrow night

Noted

~ AF

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catching up now

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ok i changed my mind on january, she's townie

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I’m a cop. Gtfo.

in case it wasn't obvious, this has approximately no bearing on his actual role ^
he might, in fact, be loud, but i wouldn't put any stock in whatever role claims he's making at this point

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i think fl is scum and is trying to both largely discredit me and pocket gamma

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Skitter - Here’s the thing, I want to put Skitter below Una, but I do generally see townieness in her posts. That being said, SCUM SKITTER IS TOWNIE. People will go “Never lynch Skitter, she’s obv town” when Skitter is scum. She plays the “correct town play” when she is scum. I commented on my thoughts more earlier either this, how generally everything is townie, but then that one post, that one setup discredit me early. I think there’s definitely an above chance that she is scum. Also, Robb is the type to get angry as scum and replace out too, making the replace out itself completely NAI.

this is scum ^

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Can we vote january instead of tictactoe
Tic is being proactive even though very stoopid unlike jani who just sits and mastu..m

nah i'm actually fine with january rn

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He claimed some kind of cop so we'll see what happens anyway

it has approximately zero bearing on his actual role

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But what if Leaf is right about Skitt

hi, i think flavor is trying to pocket you

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It was 1 game, and he had a Loyal Neighborizer masonry, and I was still right with half of the scum.

no, i named all 4 scum in a 5 player poe, got nk'd, saudade sheeped me and iirc town proceeded to lynch scum back to back to back to back, and you actively protested at least 3 of the wagons

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For me the townbloc is gamma skitter now

if fl is scum gamma is town

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oh cool saudade is town

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dunn might be town too

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It’s TikTok and SkitSkat scum team, y’all

you're full of so much bs rn

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I feel a bit iffy about this, but more about the people who hand out these easy townreads than the skitter slot. Eventually I will look at that later when I have more time.

ya i'm nervous about this too

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skellen is townie

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oh so is maria, for her

ok this is a game where i have a lot of tr's

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Yeah if Una is scum trying to tether herself to mariar or they are mason I can eliminate them from my lynch pool. I mean it was quite obvious una softed it out and it was pointed out by another player as well. I'm assuming people aren't blind enough to miss it after someone commented on it. Also if scum noticed it and they are masons they can avoid talking about it and just shoot one to test it out.

i'm assuming when you say una you mean non, right?

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That line of thinking doesn’t come up right now from a ScumGarmr. It just doesn’t. That’s townGarmr being misunderstood and feeling the need to explain it

i actually agree with this

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oh actually nm, garmr is scummy on p 19

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okay, I think I solved the game
but I'm tired and dull by default
need a short break again

i mean .... would you like to share?

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FL is probably strongest TR atm

do tell

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Anyways things aside I would like us all to talk about the consistent nonchalant attitude Dunn exhibits

does it come from town
or scum

discuss below because I've no idea and need your help

i'm not sure
gun-to-head i say town but i'm not confident in it

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i don't get the tictac wagon

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this supesweird read when skitt has not towned up. this is like scumread cause u this she will look townie in the future. why in tf is this a scumread and not null?

because he's scum and trying to broadly discredit me

he claimed cop, so, uh. lynch him after he fails to confirm.

again, zero bearing on his actual role

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town:
skellen, saudade, probably gamma, probably una, probably maria, probably january, probably tictac, maybe dunn, maybe non

in rough order of confidence ^

not town:
flavor, garmr

everyone else: idk

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happy with my fl vote

obvs i have too many trs, yes, i know, we shall see how things develop

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I think both you and skitter scumread tictac

not particularly

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if only your reads were that good when you lost that game to scum me ; (

hey i had both scum in a 3 player pool, we just happened to lynch the townie in it, and then things spiraled p badly for the worst

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Lol, Skitter, this is absolutely not the path I take as scum. Not in a game with you, Saudade, and Dunn.

ok

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I'm willing to lynhc mariar flavor leaf and tictac at this moment in time

i can either pick a fight with fl, in which case i'd ask you to join me on him

or we can leave him for later, i guess

in which case i'd want to be pushing garmr rn

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I'm willing to lynhc mariar flavor leaf and tictac at this moment in time

Don’t lynch me. I’ll prove my role

you realize that it's like ~ridiculously~ easy to fake a cop claim as scum, right ?

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Posting a 1 wall post per day phase is really easy to blend in as scum

she just did that as town in open 769, and got herself vigged for her troubles

Who you in a neighborhood with Skitter? They’re likely town.

?

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he's competant of real posting, per newbie 1967

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he's competant of real posting, per newbie 1967

He was the epitome of newTown, so what do you mean by real posting?

he was capable of putting complex thoughts out into the thread

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FL might be pocketing me but he’s still town

he is pocketing you, i do not think he is town

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I really think Skitter is scum. She’s playing sneaky.

i'm trying to not turn this game into a 1v1 between us
but if you keep saying things like this you'll probably force it

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thoughts on FL bc i feel like he has the most stuff i want to respond to

he was setting up to claim whatever it is he's claiming from the very beginning

bc his reads before the claim were pretty bad and from what he's saying he was trying to get a reaction w/ purposely bad reads
i don't he'd have made those reads unintentionally so i believe this

and i don't see scum purposely forcing themselves to claim a pr role

i think the play is for a kinda eh strategy but its more to catch other people's reactions so i guess it works

literally his playstyle as scum, fully capable of doing this as scum, give me a sec

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Spoiler:

Pretentious, Mafia 2-shot Jailkeeper, lynched Day 3

I’m a Jailkeeper. Take it for what you will.

That’s why I faked the BP, so i could make the comment if I stopped a kill.

That is not a me fake claim

“But it could be a TRUE claim as scum”

Yeah, no, I don’t really do that either.

i just assume that whatever he claims is a lie tbh

viewtopic.php?p=9861187#p9861187

Nevermind, I did fake claim as town there.

And I was the Day 1 lynch.

Meta BROKEN

fl i'm prob voting for you but i'm waiting for a vc

Skitter’s probably scum here.

My entire premise of high posting and going crazy was to see how Skitter would react, as I said.

She’s scum because she’s waiting it out and building towards the vote towards me. Scum 100% was pushing me/settting up to vote me.

I don’t claim my real role when I’m scum either, so if i were scum here, why would I be a scum jailkeeper and claim that?

I didn’t wanna claim my role yet, so if you quit being surface level.

I could also see Bob being scum trying to “convince themselves” to come onto me.

@january, from a different game ^^

flavor started playing the game on his mortality alt, and then switched to pretentious; it's all him tho

he is utterly capable of doing just this as scum

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sigh

ok

why am i scum?

we literally did this last time

so far you've just done the 'i'm calling skitter scum for vague reasons since she's good at it' but you haven't actually pointed to anything i've done here that's scummy

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I really think Skitter is scum. She’s playing sneaky.

i'm trying to not turn this game into a 1v1 between us
but if you keep saying things like this you'll probably force it

Because you can’t handle being scum read as scum...?

I’m not even pushing you. If anything, if you’re town, I’m prolonging your life

you have like a dozen posts actively discrediting me

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it doesn't matter whether or not it's a true claim

it's noise and ought to be treated as such, and you shouldn't be read either way for it

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ok

i don't want to take my vote off of you rn but i'm not particularly interested in pushing this either rn, would rather try to sort other people before we take over the thread

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it doesn't matter whether or not it's a true claim

it's noise and ought to be treated as such, and you shouldn't be read either way for it

I’ll just full claim then.

I’m a Disloyal Announcing PT Cop.

you realize this isn't a cop, right?

what's announcing mean?

and what's the difference between pt cop and traffic analysit?

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this game's kinda weird because I feel like I have more scumleans than I usually do at this point

did you read my post about fl?

i'm not sure tictac is scummy here; i feel like their play here is comparable to the newbie, actually

why do you like garmr ?

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it doesn't matter whether or not it's a true claim

it's noise and ought to be treated as such, and you shouldn't be read either way for it

I’ll just full claim then.

I’m a Disloyal Announcing PT Cop.

you realize this isn't a cop, right?

what's announcing mean?

and what's the difference between pt cop and traffic analysit?

Traffic Analyst needs to be able to talk to someone somewhere, so if they’re the only one in a neighborhood, it won’t be positive.

PT Cop just has to be in a PT.

Announcing means whoever I target would have received “You’ve been targeted by a PT Cop.”

huh

this doesn't particularly change my read on you

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Spoiler:

Pretentious, Mafia 2-shot Jailkeeper, lynched Day 3

I’m a Jailkeeper. Take it for what you will.

That’s why I faked the BP, so i could make the comment if I stopped a kill.

That is not a me fake claim

“But it could be a TRUE claim as scum”

Yeah, no, I don’t really do that either.

i just assume that whatever he claims is a lie tbh

viewtopic.php?p=9861187#p9861187

Nevermind, I did fake claim as town there.

And I was the Day 1 lynch.

Meta BROKEN

fl i'm prob voting for you but i'm waiting for a vc

Skitter’s probably scum here.

My entire premise of high posting and going crazy was to see how Skitter would react, as I said.

She’s scum because she’s waiting it out and building towards the vote towards me. Scum 100% was pushing me/settting up to vote me.

I don’t claim my real role when I’m scum either, so if i were scum here, why would I be a scum jailkeeper and claim that?

I didn’t wanna claim my role yet, so if you quit being surface level.

I could also see Bob being scum trying to “convince themselves” to come onto me.

@january, from a different game ^^

flavor started playing the game on his mortality alt, and then switched to pretentious; it's all him tho

he is utterly capable of doing just this as scum

i'll check up on that game after
but i was more townreading him for setting up the claim earlier with the "bad reads"
i can definitely see him claiming as mafia and that game supports that
but i felt like this game he cornered himself into claiming so he planned it before the game even started

if that makes any sense

i think he is capable of this as scum

just remember for when i inevitably die that i think he's scummy, ty

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Well, okay.

You’re dead wrong, though, and going after me Day 1 is just in general typical poor play. Everyone reads Day 1 me because it’s the most memorable, but I’m a town ADC, i start off not being able to go well, but late game, I’mma carry the dps for the town

i literally just said i'm trying not to push you

feel free to target me, if you like

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couple things - him voting me because he thinks saudade was bussing me is... weird
and just felt like his votes were way too jumpy
and the walls just don't feel as towny as i remember they did in the newbie

first sentence: i think it kinda makes sense if he has experience with scum!saudade where, out of the blue, saudade lolvoted a partner and tunneled him
second sentence: not sure if i have strong feelings about that
third sentence: ya i kinda feel that too, it's more ~choppy~ and less ~nuanced~ if that makes sense? i'm not sure if that's a function of being in a larger game with more people or of being a different alignment tho

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I was annoyed because of the noise comment and I needed to prove it for ego centric reasons.

this is like literally the towniest thing you've said so far, it's such a markedly different reaction to me sayign the same thing in the last game ...

also january is town, i think

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why do you like garmr ?

him floundering with the "pseudo" thing mostly

its not the actual claiming of "pseudo confirmed town" or whatever, but mostly the responses after he gets questioned
and the crumbing thing about joking - although i'm not sure why that's necessary... obviously you're not serious about being confirmed town
but ok

and this is kinda a weird take but his posts just feel unfiltered and i think maf is usually at least a little bit careful with editing mistakes
partially his fight w robb
partially him accidentally replacing non with una

Ya i'm not sure i'm really seeing any of this ^

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yeah, fl-jan-una is my solve,, GE has a false positive on fl
k, I had fun, lynch me,, LYNCH ME
if you're town, LYNCH ME, but only if you're really town
VOTE: Non

This is probably town but unhelpful

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more junky content to make it feel like it’s heavier with actual content when the junk is what it is

No, this was me feeling lazy and wanting someone to just tell me so i wouldnt have to go to the wiki

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Man I posted instead of preview. But I will finish.


The only thing that has changed is over players reads of tic tac. It kinda feels like her reads were adjusting to the environment instead of the views on the player. Because i find it hard to believe she doesn't understand the tic tac wagon when she found him scummy earlier on.

A) my reads evolved from like p6
B) i dont particularly think they're scummy anymore
C) i dont know why they're being wagoned

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I haven’t gotten annoyed in a game in a long time.

Absolutely don’t give a fuck anymore.

Lynch me, be bad. I will consistently bring up afterwards. This is pure paranoia. The player who can read me the best is literally town reading me strongly, so no, it’s absolutely 100% not even me.

On my flip, you’ll see my claim is real too.

It’s just y’all being trashy

ok

why are we being trash, and why is this entirely paranoia based?

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oh actually nm, garmr is scummy on p 19

What exactly?

i don't like his side of his argument with gamma

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tic tac is probably town

Non lmh's play is pretty gross

+1

FL you said you have meta
did non play like this last game
(yeah ik i can check it just takes too much time atm, and i kinda want your take on it anyways)

non is probably town too

VOTE: Dunn

yeah i kinda thought this too

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tic tac is probably town

Why

Because they dont feel like scum

Una is probably town too

VOTE: garmr

Dont forget that fl is scum if i get murderized in the night ^

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How does your given reasoning equal Flavor being scum/a good vote? You’re aware he’s claimed a Cop-like role, right?
I think I’m TRing your play rn though, Maria

Pt cop isnt cop, dont conflate them

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@tictac your posts might be received better if you like broke them into chunks and posted them separately

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but in that game i felt like tictac was infinitely more active
in terms of post counts too (mostly NAI i think), but more like pushing on ppl and trying to get answers to questions and stuff
this game feels a lot more reactive and lacks the active pushing stuff and i feel like that's how tictac would play as scum
i guess it could be that this is a larger game? i'll try to find something else to compare w/

Ya idk, like i said i dont know if him being different is a function of him being a different alignment or a function of this being a larger game

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Kinda surprised garmr didnt comment on me tho

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Unfortunately you're not very convincing with this

Incidentally i wasnt trying to be

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Dunn is scummy

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Pt cop is like a gunsmith, they only get situational guilties.

It's not inherently worth giving him a pass

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Unfortunately you're not very convincing with this

Incidentally i wasnt trying to be

Well then what the hell was your reason for saying that?

Sharing my thoughts with the universe

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Pt cop is like a gunsmith, they only get situational guilties.

It's not inherently worth giving him a pass

It’s a PR though, and I don’t think he’s faking the fact he is a PR at least. Very good chance he’s faking what he is exactly, but he definitely has PR vibes, and the fact he’s faking what he is isn’t scummy, especially in this situation imo. So like, would you argue for lynching a PR claim here?
(I do hate having to throw in a bazillion caveats because it’s Flavor though)

I agree he's probably a pr, maybe even the one he's claimed

Not even remotely convinced he's a town one

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Why aren’t you interested in convincing people? Are you only interested in being right?

I'm feeling kinda lowkey and am not the mood to take over the game rn

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Kinda surprised garmr didnt comment on me tho

Hmm comment on what?

The fact that i'm voting you rn

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Also why didn't you actually answer with their not a mason with me? I mean I'd be suspicious as hell of someone softing masons with me as town with out the role.

...

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Gamma can i interest u in voting garmr?

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Doesn’t change my final question. Would you argue for lynching a PR claim?

Potentially.

I'm leaning towards that rn

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Was thinking about skitters motivations for voting me over Flavour despite flavour being a scum read that is close to being lynched. I can think of two.

1-Flavours town and she doesn't want to be on the mislynch and her scum team has piled on it.

2-I'm wrong about flavour and she's scum with flavour.

VOTE: Skitter

No, it's that:

1. I dont want to mislynch a tpr
2. I dont want to make the game into a 1v1 between the two of us rn, which is what would happen if i went all in (or more accurately, i dont want to do that before we make some progress on sorting the quiet slots)

And you're my second biggest scumread

And why on earth would i back away from an opportunity to lynch town!fl if i'm scum ....

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Also i'm like trying to do this thing where i dont get deathtunneled

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Wake88 is V/LA until 12/18

@aaron can you prod wake? It's been close to 4 days since he last posted

And he's been around onsite elsewhere

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Skitty can I interest you in voting dunn, garmr posted plenty

Dunn is scummy too, so sure

But i want to come back to garmr at some point too

VOTE: dunn

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@jan i see what you're saying and i'm willing to entertain the possibility i am tunneled, and will pursue other things atm

However i do think, independant of the claim, his read on me is awful, and i'm going to keep repeating that i think fl is scummy

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I was going to question this further before given my opinion but decided not to. It's really weird that mariar scum read non but had no opinion on non softing masons with her. There's like no reaction to him softing it and when asked Mariar kinda pushed it away and then said she'd vote him . Town would at least of some sort of reaction if they were suspecting them since they literally tied themselves to you.

so much scum ^

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VOTE: Mariar

... why aren't you still voting me ...

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i am also weakly tr'ing maria btw, i don't remember if i said that

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are you talking about mariar or

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skit - i read some parts of the game you mentioned where FL claimed PR as maf

Also i just remembered that that game didnt have daytalk, which may or may not be a factor.
Can i interest you in voting dunn?

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How does your given reasoning equal Flavor being scum/a good vote? You’re aware he’s claimed a Cop-like role, right?

he claimed a role that can claim a guilty + not get lynched when that guilty flips green.

Well not with the disloyal bit, i think
He can only get results on scum, as his role is currently claimed

And soft innos on town by virtue of not having a result on them

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@skitt still interested in yer saud tr, if it's more than a vibe.

He's more bravado-y and aggressive and tries to project this fake confidence/charisma thing as scum

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I honestly think being open to voting Garmr was a mistake, I feel like in the present moment Skitter has greater scum equity than him, so to take that type of olive branch was a bad call on my part.

Do tell

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oh yeah i don’t like FL’s thing on una there’s nothing to warrant 100% confidence

They have like a years worth experience playing with each other, so in a vaccuum i can buy this

Incidentally i think una is town here and that fl is just making stuff up tho

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Fl's claim and people's reactions thereof

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Also, hi!

[skitter30]

No i mean more why you think i have scum equity

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@skitter30 and UnaBombaH

: You both had a strong suspicion that Flavor Leaf's initial claim was not true prior to their being any reason to think so. Why is this?

He has a history of fake-claiming as both alignments

Incidentally i think the claim might be true, i just dont think he's town

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No i mean more why you think i have scum equity

You haven’t really felt solvy, would maybe expect more of that
Plus you feel somewhat linked to TikTok

Also, for the last time we’re not lynching Dunnstral today

Y not dunn?

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Plus you feel somewhat linked to TikTok

I will support this statement. I felt the same upon quick read through.

And huh

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He's interacting with the thread weirdly, and being like ~at the edges~ without contributing anything meaningful

Or, in your parlance, he isnt being solvey

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I meant that i think people would complain less if they broke the posts into chunks

used to be a wallposter so i have a p good sense of how people perceive wallposts, which depends a great deal on how they are formatted

Figured i might as well share some advice from those wallposting days

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Can i interest you in voting dunn or garmr?

January can i interest you in voting dunn?

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I've seen your reasoning for Dunnstral, and after a quick scan, I do not disagree. What is your reasoning for Garmr?

i don't like the points he's making, especially in his argument with gamma and his read of me

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oh and how he keeps returning to the whole 'non softed masons with mariar' thing and keeps pushing that angle

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Announcing and loud are interchangeable on the claiming front.

i actually agree with this ^^^

fl claiming loud was akin to him claiming 'some modifier that would cause the target to know that they were targeted by something', not necessarily loud

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I know, I think they're worth lynching him over as it shows he's lying

this is scummy btw ^

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i don't think i've had any super flashy scum wins this year, but my scumgame's improved loads

have you officially been nommed for don carleone?

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i don't think i've had any super flashy scum wins this year, but my scumgame's improved loads

have you officially been nommed for don carleone?

if this is your improved scum game how bad was it before?

this is my lazy towngame, ty

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I'm going to igore robb, i think
Garmr feels a little weird on the first page, not sure i can articulate why tho

Also wanting to know how you've developed this since my absence.

he's scummy

Townpings on fl
(Super not confident tho)

also scummy, his claim is p bad, as is his progression on me

From here I'd like to know what you're currently thinking (still reading through).

Even if it is too early, i don’t see a reason not to act like we aren’t just coming to the right conclusion.

Out of all of us, I’m inherently the ‘scummiest’ thus far, but I’m here to talk with people so they can accurately read me as town.

Actually no, this is bad

But why though?

answered in a post you quote a few posts down

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Townpings on fl
(Super not confident tho)

From here I'd like to know what you're currently thinking (still reading through).

whoops i messed up the quote ... he's scummy too

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Garmr just dealt with ScumMe recently, so he should have a fresh intake on scumMe.

I also would like to see your input on this one Garmr.

I town read him day 1 but latter it was complicated I scum read his play in latter days but his claim made me think he was town as he claimed doc with a whole bunch of town macho and ascetic roles. His real role let him fake claim doc if caught.

... so you have expereince with him fake-claiming too ...

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Question is, does he also have them if he's Scum?

yes

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Wake what's the point of asking questions like 'has this read changed much' about things that happened literally hundreds of posts ago

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I think wake is scummy

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Ok my lynch pool for today is wake, boon, garmr and dunn

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@skitt still interested in yer saud tr, if it's more than a vibe.

He's more bravado-y and aggressive and tries to project this fake confidence/charisma thing as scum

so 'personal meta' would be accurate? lots or little?

Decent amount, i would say. Probably at least 4 games.

Two most recent were large 201 (i think) and a micro .... i'll have to look up the name of the micro

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It was large 220 and micro 874 that i was thinking of, which i use as prototypes for his town and scumgame respectively.

We were in a bunch of mini normals together too around that time

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Wake looks ... incredibly bad in his fight with garmr. I'm thinking of switching to voting him

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* fight with gamma i meant

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do you still find me scummy

i do, tho i might give skitt read on ya weight if there's lots of history. that's why i asked about that.

Enough history that i feel good metaing him

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Wake please stop, you really don’t seem to get it
Yes he claimed Loud earlier, but the earlier claim WASN’T HIS FULL CLAIM. In fact I recall his wording being something like “Loud elements”, which very much includes Announcing.

No. He said “I am Loud” and also stated that he would be able to prove his role via this modifier (post 255). This does not mesh with his later claim to be Disloyal, which is what I questioned him about.

It seems he has since returned and has no intent to answer my question.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

The loud vs announcing thing really isnt the problem here

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That lies with his statement that he would be able to prove his role through the modifier originally, and then being unable to do so with his later claim, coupled with the fact that he refuses to discuss this discrepancy.

Literally none of this is ai for him

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The fact that he was using the claim to try to stave off the push on him

The specifics of the claim are not particularly important

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I've never seen him just like purposefully shut down when pushed .

I dont know what to do with that, exactly

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What do you think of garmr, wake, and gamma?

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I'd rather us pressure dunn rn

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Wake looks ... incredibly bad in his fight with garmr. I'm thinking of switching to voting him

* fight with gamma i meant

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I'd rather us pressure dunn rn

Why is this? He doesn't seem like he is reacting to much of anything. Would you prefer a Dunnstral lynch or a Flavor Leaf lynch because from your stated opinions you seem to be more certain of Flavor Leaf as Mafia?

because on the offchance fl is town i don't want to lose the pr
i am thinking of leashing him though if we don't lynch him today

Wake looks ... incredibly bad in his fight with garmr. I'm thinking of switching to voting him

* fight with gamma i meant

I'm aware of these posts. It doesn't explicitly answer my question of which you find worse (although I can infer you find Wake88 worse since you were thinking of voting him), and it doesn't answer whether or not you think both of them could be Mafia.

oh i thought you were thinking i was talking about a wake/garmr fight, which is what i did write, but i meant to write wake/gamma. i don't have any particular thoughts on wake/garmr interactions

wake is worse than garmr

i think at least two scum are in {wake/garmr/dunn/flavor}, i haven't thought too much about associatives yet

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What does this mean, and how do we ensure that it is done?

i want to say:

flavor must check within {group of 2-3 names}
and if he does not, we lynch him tomorrow

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So let's not let him make endgame then

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i think at least two scum are in {wake/garmr/dunn/flavor},

I'd want him to check in this group ^
Preferably wake

With the understanding that even if he guilties someone who is, in fact, mafia, he is not cleared

Honestly as i write this out i'm not sure it's worth the effort

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I dont really know what to do with you basically giving up

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i really don't knwo if scum!fl's ego let's him give up

saudade wait a sec

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so you're complex announcing pt cop

why do you claim disloyal instead of complex ... those are obviously very different

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what does complex even do? only works on prs?

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what the hell

that basically only finds scum or people in neighborhoods, i think ?

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no scum prs or people in neighborhoods

and announces your action to them

is that right?

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Bleh i need to think

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The fact that Saudade and Skitter are the 2 people deciding it proves that scum is on me already.

I mean you're apparently tring both of us so

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So you get results on all prs, but can only get a 'positive' on scum prs or town in neighborhoods

And you claimed disloyal so that if you got a result on scum prs ... wait explain this bit again

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If you're disloyal the townie wouldnt get anything from you ... i dont get it

When a tpr challenges claims the visit and challenges you all we got out of this is that you outed tprs

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That isnt a town role, i'm p sure

And if it is i really dont think that's how town plays it, even town!you

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When a tpr claims the visit and challenges you all we got out of this is that you outed tprs

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When a tpr claims the visit and challenges you all we got out of this is that you outed tprs

I would’ve just back tracked. :shrug: they’d only get outed if I was killed, and there would have been zero reason for me not to go into a 1v1 with someone who challenges me, so agenda wise people could see I’m not scum.

Sorry, but i think this is a load of bs

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Also, this makes 2 games in a row with you Skitter where I end up true claiming Day 1.

I’m hard breaking a meta. That one as scum, this one as town.

2020 gonna be a rough time for y’all.

Ya i'm p sure you just tell your buddies to murderize me tonight whether or not you get lynched today, which is why i want to make this count

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One town PR for a scum is worth, generally, which is why I don’t mind mass claiming Day 2’s generally to figure out gamestate.

No, in this scenario, if you're town, you'd have outed two tprs (you + the tpr who claimed the announcement)

And no scum at all

It isnt a 1v1 trade and you know that

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I have to bounce ina minute but ya i'm deciding if i should just hammer here

You're not putting up enough of a fight as scum here, tho, i feel

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Yeah i'm basically at the point where i dont think i'd hammer but i wouldnt prevent other people from doing it

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VOTE: dunn

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skitty is scum
VOTE: skitter30

Uh huh

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I think there is atleast one scum off the wagon.

I think there's at least one scum onwagon, probably two

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Skitter-Pushed that flavour was scum all game, When I asked why she didn't Flavor said she didn't want to lynch a town power role, Continues to push flavor as scum and the claim might be true.

If she thinks flavor is scum why is her reasoning not to vote him being a town power role?

The attempt to make a wagon else wehere looks limp especially when she said flavor is probably scum and keeped that opinion.

At eod i was getting cold feet since he wasnt protesting enough to be scum

Also i didnt want to risk a tpr

So i looked for other alternatives

Also i dont get the bolded

Why were you on looker at eod exactly?

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Had he given me the greenlight D1, even for a second, I would've unvoted and made this exact same post before the EoD.
With the caveat that he would've been locktown to me D2, if the both of us survived N1.

Explain this better. What do you mean by 'given greenlight'?

You were scumreading him p hard yesterday. How do you go from that to locktowning him?

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Looker=mariah

Yes, i'm aware. Why were on maria at eod?

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Incidentally the dunn wagon only had town on it, from my pov

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I fucked up. I didn't know that votes didn't reset when you replaced in.

dunno if I buy this.

i think they're probably town

can i interest you in voting dunn?

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una is a good vote too

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my lynchpool today is {dunn, wake, garmr, and una}

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I think there's at least one scum onwagon, probably two

i'd say 2-3. gonna be surprised if it's less than 2.
twas a slow rolling wagon, even if no super-valid counter.

what makes a slow wagon indicative of scum being on it?
wouldn't the wagon be faster if scum was voting with town

can i interest you in voting dunn?

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Why would anyone in their right mind doc skitter? She was scummy asf yesterday.

i mean, saud is voting skitt purely cause she didn't die, so.

people get really paranoid of me for some reason, can't imagine why

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that was meant to be dripping in sarcasm

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not particularly intersted in mariar's slot rn, i think it's more-likely-than-not town

i think dunn's vote on fl yesterday was atrocious and he spent the phase doing like nothing so i want to pressure him rn

you'd be the l-1 vote btw, i think that is a conducive gamestate for us to be in

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i promise i'll be on a wagon today though

wasn't expecting saudade to hammer yesterday & thought i had a chance to flip it
but today i shall strongly advocate for a wagon and everyone shall agree with me
hehe not really but hopefully

what do you think of saudade?

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oh wait you'd be l-2

but i want to get up to l-1

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VOTE: skitter30

Don't care nearly enouh to let you live if you're going to dumb push on me all game

why do you think i'm dumb-pushing you rn?

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Skitter you didn't mention receiving any of my fruit last night. Just going to confirm this.

I dont particularly want to answer this at this time

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i don't have a particularly compelling reason to

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i don't have a particularly compelling reason to

well I want you to anwser.

ok and

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interesting

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oh that's scummy

this is fun

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So, here I got this idea that I would do one of my most worst "tricks" and soft a PR in a random post that is all over out of context in itself.
I knew most of the playerlist wouldn't even BOTHER to read my bs, but I thought town!Boon would notice I was trying to say something specific to him.

Soooo ...
You lynched fl because he didn't notice you were softing pr?

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would've come clean today anyway, and backed Boon the rest of the game.

Werent you just saying you were scumreading him? I dont get it

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Great.

Starting to feel like we're fucked.

Y

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Jan went full shifty when I asked skitter if she got my fruit

No she didnt

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was it really

honestly find it hard to believe that there's a PT cop and an alignment-telling fruit vendor in the same setup
they're both basically alignment cops that basically have certain reports that are guaranteed to confirm someone

ya it was.

point is: scum-skit does not know if it's a fakeclaim or not. town-skitt does.

No? Explain this again

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wdym
i'm not saying it's a fake fruit vendor claim but isn't it possible that he's maf complex/simple and trying to find PR

that's like, theoreticaly possible, I guess, but not really.

I mean, that's what i thought he was doing so

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I am just going to out this here I'm not a fruit vendor. I was seeing if skit would lie or not. I didn't expect a chainsaw from you and skit refusing to anwser. You also treated it like I had a guilty on skit and it was going to go down that way. You seem to operate on knowledge that town doesn't have.

Oh sweet i read that right

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If the next person to post doesnt vote Dunn i will be so upset

VOTE: Dunn

Can you STFU up now.

VOTE: garmr

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Is there a quota to how many times I have to ask a question before it gets answered? Also, who/what is Boon? (x100 if there really is a quota)

Which question?

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Great.

Starting to feel like we're fucked.

Y

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Can i interest you in voting garmr?

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He's scummy

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I dont think that was a town-motivated reaction test

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Garmr's reaction test?

How exactly do you get to decide which ones are Scum and Town motivated?

Whimsy?

Not sure what you're asking

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i mean, how do you figure out if anything is scum or town motivated ?

wrt to garmr:

1. no, i didn't get fruit

2. i was wary of another complex/simple/disloyal/loyal modifier since fl flipped complex, and i don't trust garmr enough to give him any such info

3. given how he started the phase voting for me, i was p sure he was bluffing

4. what was the point of this reaction test? if i had said i hadn't received any ... then what? how would that have shed any light on my alignment ?

5. if that reaction test convinced him i'm scum, why is he voting for dunn, exactly? you know, the same person i've been actively canvassing votes for this phase?

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Oh ya i no longer tr tictac

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ya clearly do tho. see point 1 of yer post.

I do not believe ya jumped to complex/simple instead of the way more common loyal.

yes, i did, since fl flipped complex

so why not simply say ya didn't get fruit, if ya didn't fear he might actually be loyal?
ya clearly not withholding that info from scumteam, since ya just freely gave it.

.... i shared that information now after he admitted it was fake ...
also because stringing him along was more fun ngl

if ya said 'no' without issue, ya would have been more likely to be town.
if ya said 'yes' ya confirmed scum for lying.
come on now. this is not rocket science.

no, why? obviously if i said yes i'd be lying but i don't get why he thinks i would have given that the fruit does not, in fact, exist
i don't understand how saying no would reflect on my alignment

this is admittedly weird.

ya think

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VOTE: tictac

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I dont get it

I didnt get fruit. He says he didnt send fruit. I should assume he's lying about not sending me fruit, and that he actually did?

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i highly doubt he’s lying about being vendor and i don’t see why skit should have expected that because i definitely didn’t
but it’s possible ig

Yo january why do you think i'm town?

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That's l-1 i'm p sure, btw ^

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How come people don't vote for me if they think my reasoning has been scummy/weird/???

Because like half the game is scummy af

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I dont like how skitty vote hops so often, its like shes trying to find a counter wagon to dunn and save him

Yes, after i canvass people to vote him, i i try to start a cw to save him, exactly

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if ya think garm is a complex scum fruitvendor, how does him saying he isn't a fruitvendor make it okay to tell him ya didn't get fruit?

Because he said he didnt send and i was p sure he was bluffing to begin with

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Tictac is this the only thing you find scummy about my play or ...

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Lolhammering is a scumclaim, if it isnt obvious

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He said he didnt send ...
There was no fruit. He's not getting any information off of fruit that doesnt exist

[skitter30]

Ok this is a really silly thing to get hung up on

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What

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I dont like how skitty vote hops so often, its like shes trying to find a counter wagon to dunn and save him

Yes, after i canvass people to vote him, i i try to start a cw to save him, exactly

Dunns lynch started with me

Uh huh

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if ya think garm is a complex scum fruitvendor, how does him saying he isn't a fruitvendor make it okay to tell him ya didn't get fruit?

Because he said he didnt send and i was p sure he was bluffing to begin with

if you sure I was bluffing why not anwser and call my bluff.

Because if you werent i feel like there was a p good chance you were rolefishing

What were you trying to get out of this even?

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I mean, really ...

You made an a reaction test that i'd have to be an idiot to fail
And somehow i'm scummy for being suspicious of your motivations

Do i have that right?

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I kinda feel like you're scum who overnight decided you were going to mislynch me today, you have had several posts pinging me that way

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Also you and Jan took ages to come up with he may be complex. Jans initial reaction was I was going to fake a guilty.

No, this is what i thought immediately. Dont remember when i said it exactly

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What do you think of wake?

[skitter30]

What do you think of wake?

@garmr

[skitter30]

Why are all of you so scummy ...

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uh huh