Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Menalque]

I think datisi and GL are still town but I’m not really sure about anyone else

Can I get a readslist from everyone pls

[Datisi]

Err no we should not be claiming

Claiming literally just tells scum where they can shoot for a guaranteed kill

ehhh
if scum has two guns tonight, i think odds are kinda low that a kill gets stopped by a rose anyway
and having a conftown today would be good?

[Menalque]

I mean having a conftown today would be good depending on who it is

If it’s someone who thinks they can townlead then it would be good to have direction

But if not then all you’re doing is giving scum information preemptively which could be revealed at L-1 instead if that’s we look like we’re lynching

Do you think it’s likely scum has 2 guns left?

[Datisi]

No, I don't really, but the number of kills so far is making me paranoid that might be the case

and i'm saying if they DO have enough kills to finish us off tonight then they'll likely be able to shoot well enough, so outing the town gun might be worth it for the conftown

[Menalque]

Right but I’m saying I think that’s a relatively small likelihood and the flip side to it is giving them a guaranteed place to shoot tonight

[alimdia]

If the town gun is Night 1, 2 or 3, I think they should claim because it gives us 1 confirmed town, unless theres a CC, in which case 1:1 trade is fine.

However, the person they shoot is NOT confirmed town, because scum could be rose as well.

[alimdia]

Gamma I think it's weird that you think claiming Rose demonstrates "conviction", a vig claim from scum would be guaranteed to be CC'd so the only safeclaim is Rose. What say you to that

IMO the main advantage of massclaim here is we could likely conftown a vig and pseudoclear a rose if they shot already, which might force scum into different trajectories than they were planning

Talking about this post, it doesn't pseudoclear a rose at all


@Datisi I have caught up

[Menalque]

Again, what is the benefit to them claiming now (so scum definitely finds out who they are and gets a guaranteed kill) vs having them claim at L-1 if needed

[alimdia]

@ Datisi now that DDL flipped town can u explain how this affects ur Mena DDL theory (even tho u said it was not much confidence in it)?
Is mena more or less town now.

[Menalque]

We need to move faster todsy tho so that in the case of that happening we can redirect without rushing/deal with any CCs

[Datisi]

okay, any thoughts?

Mena/DDL theory is obviously thrown in the trash. As for if Mena is more or less Town now... I don't actually know at this point. I'm inclined to say more, but the only thing I completely trust rn is my own role PM

[Menalque]

What concerns do you have about me @datisi

[alimdia]

Realllly dislike the GL case. Dislike to the point where I think this is the game we catch scum!Menal.

Icon is simultaneously shading and agreeing with Menal at points at his ISO.

between 691 and 702 amrun did not post

you had a townread on her

but then you say she hasn't been playing her towngame

Whattup with that, Doc?

DDL not responding in a townie way to a tunnel is like the best scumcase i've seen this game, and I don't have anything better despite *really* looking into this game.

[alimdia]

@DW can u also explain why amrun is ur top TR? (im assuming top of the list is towniest)

@Gamma Emerald, re ur q about my post 104, I was answering DDL's post 103. The quote was a mistake. (first times using Q++)
For the record I really hate your catchup style. You dont have to comment on every page nani, just the important ones.
Read up a few pages beyond the post you wanna comment, see if anyone else commented on it, and if it got responded to. It might be
obsolete.

[alimdia]

Again, what is the benefit to them claiming now (so scum definitely finds out who they are and gets a guaranteed kill) vs having them claim at L-1 if needed

Any scum at L1 would also claim gun then, can they be trusted at this point?
If they're one of the scum looking people they should claim now. If they are in no danger of being wagoned, then sure, keep quiet.
But I much prefer if its one of the scummy looking people that claims now so we either get a 1v1 or we stop a mislynch earlier.

[alimdia]

3) Another point, if he's scum he knows he won't get NK'd by scum and so if he's leading the game and widely townread he's going to need excuses for why he doesn't die. He's already been commenting/speculating about not being N1'd today. And if he doesn't die and he's championing a lot of mislynches, that's going to eventually look poorly on him - especially since he's also prideful about being good at this game. Therefore it's in his interests to have a foundation laid down for plausible scumreads on a scum buddy and eventually getting rid of bussable partners at some point when it becomes necessary, and DDL is definitely a bussable partner given how he's played this game so far.

Er you do know there are town guns right... Scum can get killed by town guns...

[Menalque]

Again, what is the benefit to them claiming now (so scum definitely finds out who they are and gets a guaranteed kill) vs having them claim at L-1 if needed

Any scum at L1 would also claim gun then, can they be trusted at this point?
If they're one of the scum looking people they should claim now. If they are in no danger of being wagoned, then sure, keep quiet.
But I much prefer if its one of the scummy looking people that claims now so we either get a 1v1 or we stop a mislynch earlier.

Who exactly are the scum looking people? Claiming it at L-1 still stops a mislynch and if scum were to claim gun then the real gun would CC and we’d either lynch scum or have a guaranteed scum lynch tomorrow

Whats the benefit to having a 1v1 now esp when that’s likely to draw focus away from sorting other slots

[alimdia]

S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?

wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)

hm......

[alimdia]

Again, what is the benefit to them claiming now (so scum definitely finds out who they are and gets a guaranteed kill) vs having them claim at L-1 if needed

Any scum at L1 would also claim gun then, can they be trusted at this point?
If they're one of the scum looking people they should claim now. If they are in no danger of being wagoned, then sure, keep quiet.
But I much prefer if its one of the scummy looking people that claims now so we either get a 1v1 or we stop a mislynch earlier.

Who exactly are the scum looking people? Claiming it at L-1 still stops a mislynch and if scum were to claim gun then the real gun would CC and we’d either lynch scum or have a guaranteed scum lynch tomorrow

Whats the benefit to having a 1v1 now esp when that’s likely to draw focus away from sorting other slots

scum looking people to me = DW, (Datisi OR SS), Gamma Emerald (texcat's spot), maybe GL

[Menalque]

Explain all of those and respond to the other point in that post about why we shouldn’t massclaim

[alimdia]

Those are also my reads ^

DW from ages ago. I can re-case later, but I dont think I noticed much of him doing sus shit when I was speed-catching up. Will reread later.
GA because I think scum was lurking on day 2 heaps, and it aint me. Texcat spot been doing nadda and if GA doesn't post some content soon he shoots right up the list.
Datisi because of my post above.
GL and SS I actually needa re-read and ISO again.

[Datisi]

What concerns do you have about me @datisi

concerns that you're scum lmao
like you're in my top half don't get me wrong but at this point i've gotta start thinking about everybody

S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?

wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)

hm......

yes you were
and then you dissapeared for a while

scum looking people to me = DW, (Datisi

OR

SS), Gamma Emerald (texcat's spot), maybe GL

why is that "OR" there?

[alimdia]

Explain all of those and respond to the other point in that post about why we shouldn’t massclaim

We won't have a 1v1 if the town gun claims NOW before theres a wagon. Its unlikely scum claims a town gun here and initiates a 1v1? Thats what I think at least. Once we have a cleared, we can re-evaluate based on that new info.

We don't know if the extra kill on N1 was town or scum.
If it was the town gun on N1, we need to know that, because it means the scum are stockpiling guns for later and this could be LYLO or MYLO potentially....

[alimdia]

S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?

wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)

hm......

yes you were
and then you dissapeared for a while

I never reappeared between 1568(or 1572) and 1912.....

VOTE: Datisi

[Menalque]

@datisi well yes but do you have actual reasons or is this just ~*paranoia*~