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Hi, I am a mason with mastina

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VOTE: jingle

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Not entirely rvs

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We are the danger masons

We do stunts and bust through walls so we keep getting work

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I actually am a mason tho, I’m just hoping that by admitting it this glaringly everyone is going to think I’m joking/gambitting

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Oh wait shit

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mod pls delete post 82[/post]

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That would work

Also haha I would never haha

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Also it’s super easy for you to know who my scumbuddy is jingle considering we’re all sharing the mafia pt together

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Does skitter have any early gut reads @jjh

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Also it’s super easy for you to know who my scumbuddy is jingle considering we’re all sharing the mafia pt together

Blame Penguin for making it public instead of private. Who else would randomly check the PT section of the site?

Hey, he didn’t make it public, I just checked!

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Can we get back to the important stuff

Anyone want to take a minute to just acknowledge how good this playerlist is

I mean yeah although it would be nice if everyone else could show up

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I just checked the PT section of the site and I don't see it

That’s bc it’s just me, mastina and jingle who have access

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Would you say you still hate playing scum jjh?

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Okay

Do you still struggle to effort as scum?

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Although realistically I think I may just try to get a read on mastina and then sheep her on you

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Would you say you still hate playing scum jjh?

Nah, scum jjh is pretty fun to play against. It kinda sucks when he's your partner though, cause he just sits there and gets lynched.

I thought this was notably outdated meta hence why I’m asking

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If you want to easily meta me, you can't do it day 1 any more because I can pretend to have enthusiasm for a game day. Gobbledygook had a very nice approach after replacing in at the end of big four mafia where he looked at activity trends over the course of the whole game looking mainly for downward trends, and I think that would catch scum me every time

Yeah this is what I was wondering about mostly bc I can also temporarily effort as scum but struggle to maintain it over prolonged periods

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VOTE: jingle

Not entirely rvs

Why?

Reasons

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Ask me again later

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that feels like the sort of thing you should maybe have talked about in your TM thread first

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Why are jjh and I p likely town @hito?

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Also what does “adding headwind” mean?

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Yeah I don’t really see that as an attempt to shut down her own RVS

I kinda agree re:bitmap but weakly

I think your reason for townreading me/jjh isn’t very good either

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Why does he cross from just trying as town into trying to look town?

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Eh i feel like if RC is in a datisi is scum mood he’s probably not gonna answer seriously

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Does he have an opinion on me yet?

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Yarr, I have no idea where he’d be gettin such a preposterous idea matey

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VOTE: hito

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Why is chemist town?

Why is jjh possibly scum?

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Also hi Ali

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Can we make this game not like AvP or Calendar pls

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As in

Can we win

And if you’re scum can u not kill me N1 this time

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VOTE: gamma

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the fact that gamma hasn't posted yet is strongly scum!indicative for him specifically

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the fact that gamma hasn't posted yet is strongly scum!indicative for him specifically

his last post on site was before team mafia started

I think I'm fairly strong on Ali!town bc I feel the same way about klick atm, and her point about gamma

ofhrz is provisionally town. I TR her but I seriously misread her the last time she played scum against me so I have reservations about locking her in early

mastina can be town for now too

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@bitmap if RC is reading what are his reads now? is he still on hito or?

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Did anyone else find page 3-4 between Jingle and jj to be odd or just me?

what was odd about it?

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@chem how much are you talking to your team about this game?

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@hito I'm going to bed imminently but yeah I have multiple games with gamma and he's been consistently a much higher poster when town vs scum apart from when he had a head injury and dropped in activity site wide

I don't know what you mean about Ali and unresolved tension

I like that she thought gamma was scummy for not being around but then checked and walked it back because he's not been on site?

@bit I mean regardless of how I feel about him (I do like him but I think he thinks I don't) I still want him to give reads esp bc unless he's going to start writing your posts for you he'd have a much stronger impact as town than as scum

what felt like TvS about it? I didn't really get a lot from that interaction

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I'm not townreading jingle but I wouldn't say it's bc of that interaction

I'm also not sure I'm scumreading jingle

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bc I'm not pushing anywhere else yet so I don't need to move it?

pedit: that was @hito

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VOTE: klick

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hito your chem vote is bad

I feel like you're voting there because you're expecting chem to do things and that's just not gonna happen regardless of alignment

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I also think chem!scum is very catchable late game whereas chem!town is mislynch bait who scum love to mislynch on D1

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I also just find chem really funny tbh and so that also disincentives me from lynching him

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hito your chem vote is bad

I feel like you're voting there because you're expecting chem to do things and that's just not gonna happen regardless of alignment

I think there's just a higher chance that he just has never played with Chemist before so he's holding him accountable and trying to vote him to get him to do stuff just like he would with any other player

yeah this is why I said his vote was bad and not that his vote was scummy

plus actually bothered to explain why it was bad

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I mean it's still bad even if it's understandable

not bad from a hito's alignment perspective, bad from an objective rating of the vote perspective

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yeah that's accurate but mostly because I think chem has a shitload of promise and is just lazy when it comes to mafia

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The fuck are people voting ofhrz for

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I mean I think I’m leaning chem town but I have no idea why tf he’s voting ofhrz

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Oh wait klick also there was a thing

I think I remember you being A LOT more proactive in 892

Whereas here you just seem reactive moreso, so I’d disagree that your play is similar

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@bit why did RC consider a 4 vote klick wagon to be a big enough thing to step in on?

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Mena and jingle are like school bullies, who

bully bitmap because he has famous relative

. It feels like excuse to make a push rather then accurate one.

Are you talking about them asking for RC's reads in the bolded? Why is that scummy?

It makes sense to ask a known, strong player for their reads.

VOTE: Kerset

It makes sense to ask but you still can do this with bad intentions. It is a first step to discredit bitmap. Just look at mastina.
It is all about genuity, so i don't see any point you making here.

To clarify, you’re saying mena, jingle, and Mastina sounded disingenuous in their bitmap pushes? If so, where?

I didn’t push bitmap

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A Kerset wagon is going to be really boring though? They've got six posts and none of them say anything.

This is sort of the point

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catching up

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there's a lot of people who are town reading me or top town reading me and tbh I don't get it as I really don't think I've done anything to warrant it yet

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I am kind of caught up but with the corollary that I've been skimming mastina's walls

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my takes on the last ~10 pages:

-ofhrz is still town
-klick is actually prob town
-shadoweh is very town
-hito can be town
-Ali can be town

-chem is weird but I think town?

-jjh is scummy but that may mean he's towny
-kerset is null
-mastina is mostly null but also someone who I really don't get why I'm at the top of her TRs for -- mastina, you said this was something you could talk about, so can you

-jingle may be scum but not a good lynch today probably
-bitmap may be scum but not a good lynch today

-gamma has still not posted anything much of anything

VOTE: gamma

Ali/mastina, do you wanna vote gamma now seeing as he's back on site and yet clearly avoiding the game which in my experience of gamma is strongly +scum indicative for him?

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there's a lot of people who are town reading me or top town reading me and tbh I don't get it as I really don't think I've done anything to warrant it yet

in that case, if you think you can play better, then play better

there's a difference between me thinking I've not done anything that should have people TRing me and me thinking I'm playing badly

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I mean that's part of the reason why I think klick is actually towny bc he seems to have a healthy level of paranoia about me since 892 but he's not being excessive or trying to weaponise it imo

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I'm fairly confident I'll obvtown as game goes on; I just don't think I've obvtowned

yet

which makes the TRs on me TMIy or just bad

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Ofrhz wagon still looks pretty good to me, especially considering Ofrhz's readslist

I don't think there's much progression from basically null on me and Jingle there

Doubt away but:

Bitmap is vying for towncred for when likely flips occur
Ofrhz is under some pressure rn
Gamma is near absent

Hito would be the only scum on the Klick wagon if there was any

Ali, menalque, mastina are all town

this is what I didn't like about your posting jjh

(1) I really don't think ofhrz is scum and I don't see what's scummy about her posting at all

(2) bitmap's posting hasn't been good but I don't think he's been vying for towncred for when flips occur (you get some cred for gamma here tho)

(3) you fit into the camp of people who I think have enough of an idea of me to not necessarily think I'm that towny here and yet your TRing me anyway and I'm somewhat concerned that you're going for a pocket

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am I weird because I’m actually putting effort in

that's some of it yeah

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wait actually no, that's what's towny about you

what's weird is I don't understand your ofhrz scumread, like, at all

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and it seems disproportionately strong fro what you did say about it

and that you're still on her now despite saying you feel less sure recently

how about voting gamma with me?

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@jjh when you're next here, can you tell me if skitt has been following this game and if so who's her top SR?

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why not sheep me on it?

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bc mastina...TRs you?

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yes she's lockscum, clearly, how did I miss this beforehand

what's your read on bitmap, Ali?

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there's a lot of people who are town reading me or top town reading me and tbh I don't get it as I really don't think I've done anything to warrant it yet

in that case, if you think you can play better, then play better

there's a difference between me thinking I've not done anything that should have people TRing me and me thinking I'm playing badly

thats not what I said. I don't think you're play is bad. You don't think your play is bad but you do think that it could be better.

So play better.

hmm idk I guess I interpret this differently

I don't think it's possible for me to really be that towny within 20 pages as standard, or at least not to the degree that I'm solidly out of my scumrange and deserving of lots of juicy TR goodness

I think my actual play has not been bad, but I think even if my play had been better than it was then it still wouldn't be a good reason to lump me in obvtown yet

but I think we're talking somewhat at cross-purposes here

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Do this but just for my slot

You're in luck--I'm in the same mindset I was when I listed you as a townread!

That is to say, rather notably tired.

This mindset isn't the most productive to explaining things but it's the only mindset I can be in to explain the read since it was a read born of this mindset.

Basically I didn't intentionally have you as deliberately-unsorted, but I noticed that I wasn't making any effort to really sort you.
In my bout of tiredness, when catching up on the game and reading your posts around that time and the ones from shortly before then that were fresh on mind even though I had read them, I basically liked what I was seeing you do in spite of having the knowledge that I probably shouldn't but the gut-townread from what I was seeing was still there all the same.

Your contributions to this game just look town, mostly. Are they? Ehhh...probably not, it wouldn't surprise me if the people who actually know how to read you well would say you've done nothing that is strongly alignment indicative. And not gonna lie some of your earlier posting did look suspicious but in the very-brief "I am scumreading everyone in this game" sort of way where I realize I'm basically not townreading anyone and force a reset of standards to 'okay reset them to null then just work from there'. But the posting around the time I posted the townread on you was posting that I liked the mindset behind of as being something that it looked like it was genuinely trying to solve the game in.

you mean this right? why is this scum!indicative for mastina?

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why not sheep me on it?

because I’m not locktowning you and it defeats the purpose of putting in a ton of effort if I throw it away to sheep someone

I'm not saying sheep me forever

I'm just saying give a bro a hand in getting a wagon going if you don't think your vote is doing anything that useful on ofhrz rn

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Do this but just for my slot

You're in luck--I'm in the same mindset I was when I listed you as a townread!

That is to say, rather notably tired.

This mindset isn't the most productive to explaining things but it's the only mindset I can be in to explain the read since it was a read born of this mindset.

Basically I didn't intentionally have you as deliberately-unsorted, but I noticed that I wasn't making any effort to really sort you.
In my bout of tiredness, when catching up on the game and reading your posts around that time and the ones from shortly before then that were fresh on mind even though I had read them, I basically liked what I was seeing you do in spite of having the knowledge that I probably shouldn't but the gut-townread from what I was seeing was still there all the same.

Your contributions to this game just look town, mostly. Are they? Ehhh...probably not,

it wouldn't surprise me if the people who actually know how to read you well would say you've done nothing that is strongly alignment indicative.

And not gonna lie some of your earlier posting did look suspicious but in the very-brief "I am scumreading everyone in this game" sort of way where I realize I'm basically not townreading anyone and force a reset of standards to 'okay reset them to null then just work from there'.

But the posting around the time I posted the townread on you was posting that I liked the mindset behind of as being something that it looked like it was genuinely trying to solve the game in

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you mean this right? why is this scum!indicative for mastina?

if we strike through all the irrelevant why does this seem like bullshit

just cause it's vague?

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okay, flipside: what if his site posting in general is indicative of his alignment?

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wait I need to check site rules, 1 sec

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gamma is alive in multiple games but his activity only tails off sitewide after this game starts

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Do this but just for my slot

You're in luck--I'm in the same mindset I was when I listed you as a townread!

That is to say, rather notably tired.

This mindset isn't the most productive to explaining things but it's the only mindset I can be in to explain the read since it was a read born of this mindset.

Basically I didn't intentionally have you as deliberately-unsorted, but I noticed that I wasn't making any effort to really sort you.
In my bout of tiredness, when catching up on the game and reading your posts around that time and the ones from shortly before then that were fresh on mind even though I had read them, I basically liked what I was seeing you do in spite of having the knowledge that I probably shouldn't but the gut-townread from what I was seeing was still there all the same.

Your contributions to this game just look town, mostly. Are they? Ehhh...probably not,

it wouldn't surprise me if the people who actually know how to read you well would say you've done nothing that is strongly alignment indicative.

And not gonna lie some of your earlier posting did look suspicious but in the very-brief "I am scumreading everyone in this game" sort of way where I realize I'm basically not townreading anyone and force a reset of standards to 'okay reset them to null then just work from there'.

But the posting around the time I posted the townread on you was posting that I liked the mindset behind of as being something that it looked like it was genuinely trying to solve the game in

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you mean this right? why is this scum!indicative for mastina?

if we strike through all the irrelevant why does this seem like bullshit

just cause it's vague?

she always scumreads me and according to my team, I need to see what posts she got that townread from to validate if she's scum or town >_<

idk why this is more indicative of her being scum vs her just getting better at reading you but I agree that I want her to say which posts and be more specific

I'm not persuaded that mastina being vague and wordy is +scum for her or TMI

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yeah I think so, I wanted to check if my thing was permissible to say as well, and I'm p sure it was

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gamma is alive in multiple games but his activity only tails off sitewide after this game starts

that this wasn't substantive, I mean

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I think he's been solvy throughout the game, I liked how he went about sorting klick in that long breakdown

I like his position on mastina/bitmap too bc I think it's nuanced in a way that is likely to be town -- saying he'd most likely vote bitmap if he had to despite being able to see the way in which bitmap could be town reacting emotionally while still calling mastina town

idk I think scum would probably not have that much depth to it? could be wrong, but equally there's only 3 scum so he can be town for now

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mena what are you doing with your vote?

tryna get a wagon going on gamma I think

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mena what are you doing with your vote?

tryna get a wagon going on gamma I think

what do you think thats going to convince him to post

that's not necessarily what I'm trying to achieve here but again, don't really wanna say more on this rn bc it actively goes against what I'm trying to achieve

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talk to me more about Kerset?

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yes ur trying to apply pressure we know

what

did I just

say

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France has been busy, will be catching up tomorrow eve

Can u tag me with @mena in bold if there’s anything really pressing I need to get to

K love u all

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Catching up

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I’m caught up but also too tired to coherently process so I was gonna wait until tomorrow to get involved again

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Hello

My absence here will be explicable

Very soon

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I have been slightly disingenuous in my reasons for not being here but I think it should be p apparent why once I am able to reveal what the real reason is

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Bingle repped into my most recent scumgame and I didn’t want to risk him picking up on any differences between my play here and my play there, so I decided to keep schtum here as I knew that game was nearly done if we could just get one vote on town

Here it is for reference, p sure it’s my best scumgame so far:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502

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The stuff about being busy bc of arriving back in France was all true tho

Anyway, I’ll now be giving this game full attention

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Bingle repped into my most recent scumgame and I didn’t want to risk him picking up on any differences between my play here and my play there, so I decided to keep schtum here as I knew that game was nearly done if we could just get one vote on town

Here it is for reference, p sure it’s my best scumgame so far:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502

this is me level of paranoia about this

Well it worked

Can you catch me up chem?

I did read when I said I was but by “read” I mean I skimmed it and could barely remember any of it the next day anyway

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Why ya still SRing ofhrz?

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I’m not realistically rereading the pages I skimmed/the bits I didn’t read rn bc I spent about 2.5 hours building a

fat

fake case on amrun in GnR and I’m too burned out to do like, another *serious read through* of a game atm

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Maybe tomorrow or Sunday, we’ll see

So for now I’m just gonna be getting back into this game from here I think

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God that was such a stressful game, you have no idea

Amrun literally had our entire team called in lylo and had a ridiculously townie tone

But we set her up from D1 to be the lylo lynch (or a solid candidate for it) and so she just couldn’t quite sell the others on it

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Shadoweh Chemist Mena Kerset Bitmap
Hito Klick
GE jjh ofhrz
mastina jingle

this is pretty close to my list

I'd swap Kerset and klick and probably ofrhz and jingle

Let’s start here

separating it into 5 tiers gives something like
{Chemist, Ali, Shadoweh, Klick}
{Mena, Kerset, Bit}
{Hito, jjh, jingle}
{GE (Reundo), mastina}
{ofrhz}

this is what I’m gonna start working from with the top line being the only confident ones

Okay so like why is she in the tier below mastina and reundo?

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Jjh skitt said she was hard TRing me from my early play this game, correct? What was that read based on? Tell her I want her to answer with more than “idk just Tone I guess”

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I’m not saying I need her to deeply explain it but I do want more than a blow off, if it was a tonal read

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Shadoweh Chemist Mena Kerset Bitmap
Hito Klick
GE jjh ofhrz
mastina jingle

this is pretty close to my list

I'd swap Kerset and klick and probably ofrhz and jingle

Let’s start here

separating it into 5 tiers gives something like
{Chemist, Ali, Shadoweh, Klick}
{Mena, Kerset, Bit}
{Hito, jjh, jingle}
{GE (Reundo), mastina}
{ofrhz}

this is what I’m gonna start working from with the top line being the only confident ones

Okay so like why is she in the tier below mastina and reundo?

That was how it was at the time of that post

Okay but can u try to like verbalise to me why that’s how it was at the time of that post

Use ur words chem

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what are words

Why is this u

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Also @jjh what’s the long and short on why you TR mastina and scumread kerset and bitmap?

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what are words

Why is this u

it’s not I’m 15

Wait I thought u were in college?

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Jjh skitt said she was hard TRing me from my early play this game, correct? What was that read based on? Tell her I want her to answer with more than “idk just Tone I guess”

You wanted to know skitter's reads and kept asking about it, and she doesn't think you'd go to that much trouble as scum before you know how engaged she is, whereas town!you cares what she thinks.

I thought I only asked after the read was formed? Or like the read was formed based on my early content and I don’t remember asking that early on for her reads

NB: note to self check on this

Also @jjh what’s the long and short on why you TR mastina and scumread kerset and bitmap?

I'll need to get to my computer for that, I think.

Kerset is I think page 44 and a couple pages after?

Okay, I can wait for the rest, I’ll go look at 44 in a bit when I stop live interacting

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Oh, you’re also on amrun’s team, cool

What are amrun’s reads?

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Bitmap what are your reads atm?

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good morning

I survived finals but now I think I’m sick so that’s fun

good morning

I survived finals but now I think I’m sick so that’s fun

that's how it always goes

not if I get sick during finals week

I thought finals was a US college only thing

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Huh

Well either way I still want you to explain the tiers thing instead of blowing me off tho

Also @jjh can you ask her to pls? She was also in GnR so she should have more time now

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I’m not really trying to blow you off but I don’t really have an answer for you

I brought up a couple things early on, specifically the vote on kerset

Okay, I actually thought how she handled kerset was +town for her

And I really liked how she interacted with jingle early on, and I just think her iso has generally been her asking pertinent questions and following up when needed

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Bitmap what are your reads atm?

Like my own personal reads?

Yes

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GL hf

Let me check her iso 2 secs

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I liked that ofhrz followed up w/ me on why i said it wasn’t totally RVS. I also think it was interesting albeit NAI that jingle didn’t ask more about this, and when he questioned her on “how would I know if I asked” I thought wanting to know why he wasn’t more curious was the natural town reason to be wondering why he didn’t ask me more about it

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VOTE: jingle

Not entirely rvs

Why?

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Jingle, you didn't ask Menalque the reason behind his vote. Why's that?

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How would you know if you don't ask tho

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How would I know if I asked?

No, I was asking why you weren't more curious why you were being serious voted

I don't think there's a way of knowing whether or not his vote on you matters in advance

I thought this was a valid reason to scumlean kerset and thought his push on me + jingle was opportunistic

Mena and jingle are like school bullies, who

bully bitmap because he has famous relative

. It feels like excuse to make a push rather then accurate one.

Are you talking about them asking for RC's reads in the bolded? Why is that scummy?

It makes sense to ask a known, strong player for their reads.

VOTE: Kerset

I liked this but looking back it’s prob NAI, but it just seemed frank and without agenda, but then again lying about site meta would be a terrible idea so

back in my day nervously asking someone how serious their vote was before offering any comment was something disproportionately done by scum. But it's seemed kinda common in this thread so idk is this just what the kids do now? I need a meta report from someone

I don’t think this is AI

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ofhrz is provisionally town. I TR her but I seriously misread her the last time she played scum against me so I have reservations about locking her in early

Wait what game was this?

This was tris’ mini normal that you repped out of

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Again, I felt these were all reasonable reasons to be SRing kerset early on, and then I like that she was actually trying to get other people involved and onboard that wagon

@chemist: I think his entrance was bad and read awkward

- I don’t understand why his instinct was to make an rvs post when responding to a post on pg 8. By that point, there was already enough discussion to get the ball rolling in a more serious way.

- Ive already said that I disagree with the shade in 220, but I’m also interested in why that post didn’t contain a vote for either mena or jingle.

Kerset is still my primary scumread, and I prefer that to the klick wagon

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Can I interest anyone in a Kerset wagon?

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Again, very valid question seeing as from kerset’s POV you would expect him to comment on both


Second post again felt accurate to what had happened: I hadn’t pushed bitmap and kerset had called me out for something I hadn’t done

The fuck are people voting ofhrz for

The reason is on the same posts. I don't like this post.

yeah guys wtf????????

Why call out 454 as bad but not 456?

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I didn’t push bitmap

This was kind of my take away from your interactions too

So I was surprised that kerset had a different take

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Then this seemed like a natural progression to me: concerns around kerset, deciding to meta and having some doubts, going through meta and reevaluating

Then prodding him for more content, generally trying to avoid getting tunnelled and sort there

I also don’t think there was a lot of push back against her read on kerset (and he’s now popped up to the biggest wagon) so I don’t see why scum!ofhrz back-pedals her read there instead of sticking to it

Spoiler:

talk to me more about Kerset?

I didn’t like some of his content. For ex, I didn’t like him saying everyone pushing bitmap was bad; the logic seemed circular there. Things like 488 are just like unnecessary shade considering he isn’t even scumreading klick, and I did vote him as a counter to klick.

Also we were cross voting each other for a while, but I didn’t really feel like he was pushing me or making an effort to sort me beyond saying my push on him was bad

I agree with Alisae that he sounds good tonally though. I’ll take some time to look at his past scum games if he has any rn

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WRT Kerset meta

This is his only scumgame on site:
viewtopic.php?t=81570&f=83&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

It’s actually really lackluster in terms of having zero fake scumhunting and forgetting to use his vote entirely. The tone is fine but a little less quippy than when he is town.

It’s possible he’s getting help here, but I think I’m actually going to table this scumread for now.

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Kerset, can you talk about why you're townreading Bitmap?

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Ugh I don’t know. I’ll take another look at this game tomorrow when I’m not sleep deprived, but I’m not really feeling this anymore

UNVOTE:

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Welp, time to paranoia lynch mena, I guess.

Hi jingle *waves*

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Bitmap what are your reads atm?

Like my own personal reads?

Yes

[bitmap]
[Kerset, Klick, Shadoweh]
[Reundo, Jingle, ofrhz, Mena, Alisae, Chemist] <- Null
[hito, jj]
[mastina]

I’m p sure I’ve seen something about the mastina and jjh thing in your iso

Can you explain why your town reads are up out of null for me?

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I was strongly agreeing on shadoweh last time I was here but I don’t think I found either of the other two particularly towny

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Maybe klick, not sure

I think he had a good response to me having doubts about his opening

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What do you mean it might be TMI?

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Like me lurking or my ofhrz town case?

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I mean the answer is the first one but I’m not necessarily expecting you to put that much stock in it given what just happened

My read on you here was I think back into null by the time you repped in

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The lurking. It says you didn’t think I already knew your alignment here, because you were exacerbating a difference. If all of a sudden you’re inactive here and hyper active there and I know youR alignment here, I would naturally assume that you were the opposite alignment there. If we were scum together here, that would be a powerful trick, but as we both know that’s not the case.

The question is

did town you not think of the implications if I was scum

or tr-d me strong enough to not worry about it, or did scum you know I wouldn’t be able to be sure in either case?

This, I mean

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Mena are you actually just town this time?
I'm stupid paranoid after the other times we've played but your posts today are really good and your tone in general feels a lot different than in the game you were scum with Datisi.

I think everyone is increasingly paranoid of me since I improved as scum tbh

Also yes, I am Just Town (tm)

I made a deal with the mafia gods that I’d suck it up wrt all the times I rolled scum in 2019 if 2020 could be a perfect scum-free year

What are your reads atm?

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@hito you should look at Guns n Roses 3 and this game if you want examples of what scum me looks like more recently

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Grats, chem

Does this mean ofhrz can move up in ur readslist?

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I’m going sleepytimes soon

@shadow u got any scumreads that aren’t on my man hito

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Hi Ali

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I feel left out when u guys use irl names

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{Mena Hito Shadoweh mastina jjh Klick}
{Chemiboi, Jingle}
{ofhrz}
{Reundo}
{Kerset, Bitmap}

Wait I thought you were SRing mastina? Also why is klick up at top and chemboi isn’t?

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I wanna talk to ofhrz but she’s seemingly never on at the same time as me

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Also uh

Chem

U have UT at the bottom of your readslist?

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What made you realise?

Also has reundo done anything to redeem gamma slot or nah?

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@ofrhz, klick, reundo, kerset, mastina I wanna talk to all of u when you’re around

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*has reundo done anything to redeem gamma!slot
*2 posts

Lmao

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Yah I just looked

It’s fun when I don’t need to revote from 4 days ago bc I’m already on scum

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I feel left out when u guys use irl names

It's actually an old avatar reference, I think. Kinda like when I call her Sgt Angle.

Hello, Nicholas

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VOTE: reundo

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U have UT at the bottom of your readslist?

Are you not scumreading UT? He's like, obvscum. Dude wants to deploy armani.

I thought the animes were the bads

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Am I on the wrong team here

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I thought we were furthering the crusade

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Jingle how good are you at memeing when you’re scum?

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Ofhrz, hito
Ali, chem
Mastina, jjh, shadow
Jingle, bitmap
Klick
Kerset

Is where I think I’m at

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I feel stronger on the town end than the scum end

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Like I’d say that

Ofhrz, hito, ali, chem are all solid town
Marina, jjh, shadow are nulltown
Jingle and bitmap are null
Klick has just felt off to me idk why
Kerset’s early push on me/jingle felt bad

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Like I feel that klick paranoia is just excessive and I still think he’s reading as tonally different to TL’s micro

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Could be genuine paranoia but I feel like I’m playing totally different here so it almost feels a little overdone?

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oh so you're okay with wagoning kerset?

Yea

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I think I would interchangeably lynch between reundo and kerset rn

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Jingle wanna vote scum with us?

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G’wannnn u kno u do

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Chemist should be in top tier town reads actually

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I doubt scum!chem has ever breached 100 posts halfway through D1, much less over 100 mostly with actual content

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Well, maybe that’s too much

100 posts genuinely trying

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I think this is it

Nice, wanna vote it then

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sup, I was out of town for a friend's birthday yesterday but I'm back now

did we lynch reundo yet?

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Ali, stop trying to make lynching bitmap today happen

it's never going to happen

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Bitmap is the least likely of the three to be scum though

I'd rather lynch people who I'm more confident will flip scum

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like if we're right on all reundo + kerset then if bitmap is the 3rd what r u worried he's gonna do at that point? survive through like 4 mislynches and endgame?

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I gotta do a couple of presentations for work tomorrow then I'll be getting back to you @mastina @ofrhz

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Can we lynch scum and stop stalling for no reason now?

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Ali how have you talked yourself into reundo town

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Yes NSG is shitpushing u via a proxy of bitmap, you’re unhappy and it’s creating a thing but either way we literally have scum at like 5 votes who we’re... not lynching rn bc reasons?

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Just have another look at reundo’s iso and try to tell me that’s town

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Like I just don’t care enough to sort between you and bitmap rn when there’s scum that has basically openwolfed today and lynching bitmap is a distraction from that

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what is reundo's team?

Kerset klick?

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I don’t really get why it can’t be klick, or if not klick bitmap?

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Not as in klick and bitmap, I mean if it’s not klick it could be kerset and bitmap

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No actually
How do we get from here

Not a fan of a bunch of eLiTe PlAyErS getting together to lynch the new guy's slot with 5 posts tbh

To here

So I feel like the Reundo wagon is extremely lazy and that there's an unusual amount of reaching to have an excuse to lynch an empty slot.

Why not just lynch the slot because it's empty and you have a lot of townreads?

To here

V/LA for a couple of days

The Bitmap wagon really strongly looks like a mislynch to me
VOTE: Reundo

I'd switch to Alisae if a wagon built up there and the alternative was Bitmap.

I don’t understand why this reads as not partners to you as opposed to bussing now there’s a chance to get cred because the bus can be against something?

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henlo

I finally got a read from my team but it’s illegal so that’s fun

also I wanna play devil’s advocate and say kerset is a better wagon than Reundo/bit

Why?

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Kerset puts reundo at L-1 immediately after Hito decides to push Bitmap?
Klick's progression on Reundo to then immediately bussing him doesn't make sense as a bus and is a response to Bitmap becoming a wagon?

No this is my point

Limping on when there was no alternative gets no credit so it’s a weak play

Going on for the bus once there is a counter means there’s credit to be had because it looks like you made the wagon happen when it wouldn’t have

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I mean that’s basically the optimal time for scum to get on imo bc if you get on when it’s looking like your buddy is definitely going down you get nothing for it, just a dead scum

Getting on when there’s another possibility means that if reundo flips scum then you/bitmap/hito look worse imo, which means that getting on at that point is better for scum as a bus

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Chem do me a favour and just look at reundo’s ISO a second

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viewtopic.php?t=81317&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Then look at this with attention to frequency of posting

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This is reundo’s scumgame, lurking out followed by popping up to drop enough content to stay off the bottom and let us mislynch elsewhere

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This is reundo’s scumgame, lurking out followed by popping up to drop enough content to stay off the bottom and let us mislynch elsewhere

I am aware

I guiltied him that game

Oh fuck, right

Yeah I thought you were in that game

So you’re not seeing the similarities or?

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Well we already have a claim so yeah?

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The fact he only has 3 posts is the similarity

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Wait actually I think reundo might be town

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SIKE

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Wow what an inspired kill never would have seen that coming

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Wow what an inspired kill never would have seen that coming

lowkey thought you were going to die

One of the wonders of not being around quite so much on D1 is less NK equity

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You’re actually super lucky you caught me online as I just stopped on to check in the supermarket car park

If I role claim the part that I suspect is giving you the soft guilty then can i not out my entire role? As I think this is quite easily explainable but I don’t wanna cover the rest of it

I’m p sure the part you’re getting the soft guilty from is my 1 shot vig

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Yes 11 minutes is an eternity, clearly

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Only it’s not, as I just explained what I think you hit on from my role

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If this is an entire gambit then it’s dumb as fuck mastina and I’m actually p annoyed that you’ve made me out based on ?????

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Oh fucking hell lmao

I just thought it was more likely the gun bit than the other bit

I’ll fullclaim when I get home

I’m not scum

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If you’re worried tho then the other ability I have begins with “a” and ends in “scetic”

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If you’re worried tho then the other ability I have begins with “a” and ends in “scetic”

Are you ascetic or an asceticizer or whatever it’s called

El segundo amigo

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I suppose Menalque could have been targeted by jjh?
His claim under pressure makes me doubt that though

Klick of all the things I could have chosen to fakeclaim as scum

A role that is confirmable in 2 different ways

Ain’t it

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I suppose Menalque could have been targeted by jjh?
His claim under pressure makes me doubt that though

Also jjh would have just roleblocked me no? In which case the loyal neighbourise would have gone through

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What was your action last night?

I ascetisised myself, if that’s a word

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Lmao this game went well

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Hot. Going to get a freebie for my team mafia team.

VOTE: Mena

That’s right, bus your buddy

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It’s all on you now sneaky seal

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(I mean it’s actually kerset but I figured I’d do some fske bussing with the seal first)

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VOTE: bitmap

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Why do you keep rolling scum with me

Klick you gotta not scum slip like this in thread, now they know we’re scum together and my wifom on bitmap and kerset won’t work

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Can’t wait for NSG to get upset with my posts

Nah ur good it’s p obvious this isn’t theatre

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Man sure would suck if there were two deepwolves huh

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Also

Of all the things

LOYAL FUCKING NEIGHBOURISER

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

THAT’S WHAT MASTINA RANDS

OFC

OF-FUCKING-C