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[hitogoroshi]

I don't think I've seen Shadow play Mafia, but we're good friends from LSGs. She's a reasonable person, and if she's town I trust her enough to work with her towards solving this.
I know that's not really a straight answer to your question, but I don't know how to answer it as it's stated. I don't know how good her reads are, but I think we should be able to have good conversations about our reads as the game goes on.

So what I'm getting at with the question is: you had this really weird approach to Shadoweh where you voted her but mostly just to get her to notice you. You liked her responses. And her vote target was the only person in your teams top scum tier! It seems pretty inconsistent that you care

so much

about Shadoweh's opinion you're openly begging her to engage with you multiple times, but now when you're switching from voting her to voting her top suspect you don't say a word about her vote influencing your priors or seeing if she agrees with the same bad parts your team doesn't like or anything. Reading you in ISO, it sure feels like I would have heard about it if the player you voted for was Shadoweh-approved.

actually I think the entire ofrhz wagon has exactly this same sort of disease - there's like three people on it and all of them are sorta reinventing the wheel with no reference on how they like the other people on it, their arguments, etc. Contrast with Klick wagon being entirely driven by Alisae just asking three people to jump on and all of us saying yes. Big lack of solidarity on non-Klick wagons. it's doing a bit of a number to that tentative jj town read I had.

right now I got Alisae/Menal as near locktown (start from 366 and read to end of page, making sure to see the timestamps). Bitmap up there but a distinct tier below because it's mostly just effortell right now. My teammates tell me that the town points I gave to mastina for spewing are closer to null with her specific meta so adjusting the dial to just slight town. gets pretty undifferentiated from there, no super solid scum reads but Klick, Shadoweh, chemist all have stuff that seems a little off to me. I feel like there's a bit of a language barrier with Kerset where I just flat out don't understand how they're getting some of the interpretations they're getting, so that read might take a while to move.

[mastina]

It is a first step to discredit bitmap. Just look at mastina.

You're saying...*I*...am discrediting

Bitmap

?

Mate you got those names backwards because one of the reasons why Bitmap is my strongest scumread is that Bitmap has gone out of his way to discredit me.

[mastina]

This was a yes, in case you're rusty on understanding Jingle.

Well shit.

I'm too tired + short on time to do that right now and work tomorrow, but I'll get to it as soon as I can.

The short version: Bitmap's strong focus on me when I am scumreading me + going out of the way to try and discredit me and downplay me as a player, is far more scum indicative and that's what I got.

[Bitmap]

hito, are you just town reading Alisae for effort?

[mastina]

May as well give a readslist:

Menalque

Jingle

Chemist1422
Shadoweh

ofrhz
hitogoroshi
Alisae


Gamma Emerald


Klick



Kerset



Bitmap

This brought to you by the "I am getting townreads way too easily" tiredposting mastina who is liking ofrhz, hito, and Ali in addition to the previously-mentioned townreads on Shadoweh, Chemist, Jingle, and Menalque.
(jjh as noted is still deliberately excluded.)

[Klick]

I don't think those posts are town indicative.
In fact, I feel like thats the sort of pressure thats applied by scum with the mindset of "how can I make this person look like an idiot as much as possible."

Why would there be any need to make mastina look bad? The general opinion of her in this thread is already negative. That wouldn't serve any purpose.

For what it's worth, I don't think mastina is scum

So is it AI or not?

I'm not sure what you're asking here, sorry. Could you rephrase?

Do you make nonscum read based on this or outside of it? You suggest that this thing is nonaligment indicative.

'This thing' being a bunch of people's negativity towards mastina? No, I don't think that has anything to do with her alignment.

[Klick]

I don't think I've seen Shadow play Mafia, but we're good friends from LSGs. She's a reasonable person, and if she's town I trust her enough to work with her towards solving this.
I know that's not really a straight answer to your question, but I don't know how to answer it as it's stated. I don't know how good her reads are, but I think we should be able to have good conversations about our reads as the game goes on.

So what I'm getting at with the question is: you had this really weird approach to Shadoweh where you voted her but mostly just to get her to notice you. You liked her responses. And her vote target was the only person in your teams top scum tier! It seems pretty inconsistent that you care

so much

about Shadoweh's opinion you're openly begging her to engage with you multiple times, but now when you're switching from voting her to voting her top suspect you don't say a word about her vote influencing your priors or seeing if she agrees with the same bad parts your team doesn't like or anything. Reading you in ISO, it sure feels like I would have heard about it if the player you voted for was Shadoweh-approved.

1. I've already said I had a reason to think Shadow was scummy when I pressured her.
2. My vote on you had little to do with Shadow's vote on you, with independent reasons given. I didn't consciously realise Shadow was voting you when I voted you - I knew you had something resembling a wagon but couldn't recall who all was on it.

I had this question for you in my head as I was going to sleep last night - as a general rule, do you tend to scumhunt as though everyone thinks and plays the same way? A lot of your thoughts stem from a place of 'oh, a town player would be playing in this specific way' or 'a scum player wouldn't bother with that' without ascribing things to the person posting them. Is that typical of how you play/are you conscious of it? Do you assume others also play this way?

right now I got Alisae/Menal as near locktown (start from 366 and read to end of page, making sure to see the timestamps). Bitmap up there but a distinct tier below because it's mostly just effortell right now. My teammates tell me that the town points I gave to mastina for spewing are closer to null with her specific meta so adjusting the dial to just slight town. gets pretty undifferentiated from there, no super solid scum reads but Klick, Shadoweh, chemist all have stuff that seems a little off to me. I feel like there's a bit of a language barrier with Kerset where I just flat out don't understand how they're getting some of the interpretations they're getting, so that read might take a while to move.

I would really hesitate to have Menalque as strongly town at this stage. He's not scummy, but nothing he's done comes close to being outside of his scum range.

Also worth noting that the mastina thing you got from your team is the same as what I said about her. Is there any reason you didn't comment on that?

[Kerset]

I think Klick is leaning town.

Same question goes out to you

Because Bitmap is Klick's scumbuddy.

Do you wanna join the wagon?

Am i not the one asked but is there some sort of backstory, which i am not aware of? Does Klick have some sort of specific meta, which apeared here? I don't get the idea behind this wagon.

Alisae! Ignoring me is illegal!!!!!

[Kerset]

Yea Farkran gave some insight about bitmap, ofrhz and menalque

What were farkran’s thoughts?

He is scumreading you because he didn't like your bad push on me also fark is still salty, because he was hard townreading ofrhz when he was scum in the Normal game you played together
Do you want to hear about other as well?

[Kerset]

It is a first step to discredit bitmap. Just look at mastina.

You're saying...*I*...am discrediting

Bitmap

?

Mate you got those names backwards because one of the reasons why Bitmap is my strongest scumread is that Bitmap has gone out of his way to discredit me.

So tell me where did this started?

[Kerset]

actually I think the entire ofrhz wagon has exactly this same sort of disease - there's like three people on it and all of them are sorta reinventing the wheel with no reference on how they like the other people on it, their arguments, etc. Contrast with Klick wagon being entirely driven by Alisae just asking three people to jump on and all of us saying yes. Big lack of solidarity on non-Klick wagons. it's doing a bit of a number to that tentative jj town read I had.

Are you tying to say that wagon made out of blank votes is the best because it has solidarity? It sounds like: instant noodles are the best kind of food because they are made out of water.

[Kerset]

I think shadoweh’s reads are towny and if people still scumread her I disagree

indeed

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.09
ofrhz (4): Chemist1422, jjh927, Jingle, Kerset Klick (4): Alisae, Menalque, hitogoroshi, mastina hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Klick Kerset (1): ofrhz Jingle (1): Bitmap Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

[jjh927]

I'm around for a bit now but unlikely to be around much today otherwise

[jjh927]

Ofrhz wagon still looks pretty good to me, especially considering Ofrhz's readslist

I don't think there's much progression from basically null on me and Jingle there

[jjh927]

Ofrhz, bitmap, gamma

[Chemist1422]

Ofrhz, bitmap, gamma

That requires no scum pushing on any town wagons that have a chance of going through

So I doubt it

[Bitmap]

My posting will be less frequent during the weekdays since I have to travel for work but I should still be able to post once or twice a day.

[jjh927]

Doubt away but:

Bitmap is vying for towncred for when likely flips occur
Ofrhz is under some pressure rn
Gamma is near absent

[Klick]

Explain the Bitmap bit a bit more, jjh?

[Bitmap]

Gamma being absent is not a definitive scum tell by itself. I've learned this from countless games especially when I mislynched him in madoka anime game.

[Chemist1422]

Doubt away but:

Bitmap is vying for towncred for when likely flips occur
Ofrhz is under some pressure rn
Gamma is near absent

Again I don’t think the Klick wagon forms as a completely pure counter to scum!ofrhz (or rather vice versa) and no scum push on Klick

[jjh927]

Explain the Bitmap bit a bit more, jjh?

You're one of the likely lynches and Bitmap has quite a developed read on you and now he's going off on a vanity wagon

[jjh927]

Hito would be the only scum on the Klick wagon if there was any

Ali, menalque, mastina are all town

[Bitmap]

jj's read list is really bad.

Scum is pushing Klick because they think he's a weak slot.