Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Hectic]

What does that mean? It's the people who came to mind.

[Amrun]

I mean...that readslist is pretty blatant jury manipulation

Agreed

[Hectic]

What, you mean scumreading 3 people on my wagon and townreading most people off? Just how it turned out, I try not to be OMGUSey; the wagon wasn't in my mind when I was making the reads list.

[Hectic]

For people who think I'm memeing less than normal, please note the final warning I received for the memeing. My gimmick this game was going to be signing my posts from random people and playing those personas per post, but that got shot down so what can you do.

[Hectic]

Like, half the town are scumreading me for it, and the other half are saying I'm "ruining" Team Mafia by doing it. Make your minds up.

[Hectic]

Like, half the town are scumreading me for it, and the other half are saying I'm "ruining" Team Mafia by doing it. Make your minds up.

Like, half the town are scumreading me for not memeing, and the other half are saying I'm "ruining" Team Mafia by doing it. Make your minds up.

Clarification.

[Pine]

What does that mean? It's the people who came to mind.

You’re throwing up scumreads on controversial people who aren’t going to change their minds on you and trying to appeal to those who might be swayed. I mean, credit for effort, but a successful attempt would include reasoning and maybe a false positive or two. Condemn someone who thinks you’re Town, that sort of thing. A no-effort jury management...nah.

[Something_Smart]

The attempted hammer is NAI because he admitted to it when it wasn't obvious he actually thought that would be a hammer

This is a good point.

[Something_Smart]

You’re throwing up scumreads on controversial people who aren’t going to change their minds on you and trying to appeal to those who might be swayed.

That post didn't try to appeal to any specific player.

[Hectic]

What does that mean? It's the people who came to mind.

You’re throwing up scumreads on controversial people who aren’t going to change their minds on you and trying to appeal to those who might be swayed. I mean, credit for effort, but a successful attempt would include reasoning and maybe a false positive or two. Condemn someone who thinks you’re Town, that sort of thing. A no-effort jury management...nah.

Lul, I'm just being honest with what my reads are. I can elaborate on my townreads if you want me to, specifically on SS or OkaPoka, I'm not just making these up to "jury-manipulate". The confidence with how you're talking about me being scum here is really irking me.

"credit for effort"? - I mean come on, dude, there's no way you're this confident I'm scum. You basically locked me as scum from my first few posts of the game, and I don't buy it.

[Hectic]

You’re throwing up scumreads on controversial people who aren’t going to change their minds on you and trying to appeal to those who might be swayed.

That post didn't try to appeal to any specific player.

Also, isn't it true the other way around? I could appeal to people on wagon to try and sway their votes, since people off my wagon are less likely to matter.

And it's false anyway, I'm townleaning Nancy who says she'll probably end up voting me anyway, and townreading Oka who's on my wagon, and Elsa is "fine", and he's on my wagon.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Pine
Multiple people have said this could be scum, but haven't taken action. Vote him if you think he's scum.

[pisskop]

nancy, still on board with heck? willing to revote him?

[Hectic]

What does that mean? It's the people who came to mind.

You’re throwing up scumreads on controversial people who aren’t going to change their minds on you and trying to appeal to those who might be swayed. I mean, credit for effort, but a successful attempt would include reasoning and maybe a false positive or two. Condemn someone who thinks you’re Town, that sort of thing. A no-effort jury management...nah.

Lul, I'm just being honest with what my reads are. I can elaborate on my townreads if you want me to, specifically on SS or OkaPoka, I'm not just making these up to "jury-manipulate". The confidence with how you're talking about me being scum here is really irking me.

"credit for effort"? - I mean come on, dude, there's no way you're this confident I'm scum. You basically locked me as scum from my first few posts of the game, and I don't buy it.

Also, he scumread me early because he saw me as an easy push for my memeing, and claimed to scumread me for trying to out the doc when clearly that can't have been the case.

[Something_Smart]

See, here's the problem.

Now I feel like Hectic is under enough pressure that his posts are going to be nervous and forced, regardless of his alignment. I agree that the readlist looked forced, I don't agree that it looked political, and I think it's definitely something a townie of Hectic's experience level might produce under serious pressure. (Terseness is actually a towntell there.)

[Hectic]

See, here's the problem.

Now I feel like Hectic is under enough pressure that his posts are going to be nervous and forced, regardless of his alignment. I agree that the readlist looked forced, I don't agree that it looked political, and I think it's definitely something a townie of Hectic's experience level might produce under serious pressure. (Terseness is actually a towntell there.)

You're right, I do feel nervous here because no one wants to be mislynched day 1 in team mafia, but I'm trying to be as transparent as possible to fix that.

[Micc]

Votecount 1.11

Hectic (5) -

Pine, DrDolittle, OkaPoka, Titus, Elsa Jay

OkaPoka (2) -

Krazy, NaCl

DrDolittle (1) -

bob3141

popsofctown (1) -

Amrun

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (4) -

Something_Smart, Eddie Cane, pisskop, Nancy Drew 39

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

[Amrun]

See, here's the problem.

Now I feel like Hectic is under enough pressure that his posts are going to be nervous and forced, regardless of his alignment. I agree that the readlist looked forced, I don't agree that it looked political, and I think it's definitely something a townie of Hectic's experience level might produce under serious pressure. (Terseness is actually a towntell there.)

You're right, I do feel nervous here because no one wants to be mislynched day 1 in team mafia, but I'm trying to be as transparent as possible to fix that.

This reads genuine to me I think.

Not a huge fan of this wagon anymore.

[pisskop]

I unbelieve him

[pisskop]

vote hec

[pisskop]

The time to 'read as genuine' is when he isn't the focal point. he's done this multiple times so far.

I sr his play here in this game, his reputation for being mislynched notwithstanding

[Hectic]

I unbelieve him

Why though?

[Hectic]

The time to 'read as genuine' is when he isn't the focal point. he's done this multiple times so far.

I sr his play here in this game, his reputation for being mislynched notwithstanding

I don't have a rep for being mislynched actually. I've only been mislynched once in ~20 games including alts.

I was the focal point from the moment I started reading the game, because I was being scumread for joking around before I even caught up...

[Something_Smart]

The time to 'read as genuine' is when he isn't the focal point.

And this is why wagoning him chronologically early, regardless of the number of pages in the game, is bad.

[pisskop]

Im suggesting he's pulling out the appeals because of the wagon, not page number.

I expect that if the wagon wasn't present, neither would he be