Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[DrDolittle]

hectic do you read titus as town?remind me

[Hectic]

hectic do you read titus as town?remind me

Nope, keep changing my mind on her, but scumlean right now.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm actually going to answer, since apparently more than one person is not getting it.

Eddie, we would like a reads list please?

Amrun town
people~~~~
Krazy scum

the context of this post was me trying to get krazy votes. this is after a long period of me not wanting to give reads. it was a quippy response to the situation; amrun asked for reads, for the nth time, and i said he town and my vote target scum. it is not "amrun is my only town".... and i'd previously given other town reads so i'm not even sure how people got to that.

You didn't explain why that changed or what is going on with your Am read, which was clearly the point. Instead you evaded by giving a vague unhelpful answer of "he's not" when asked why you listed him as your only town in one post and was the first listed town in your last reads list

{Amrun, NaCl, Nancy, Oka, SS, Titus} - will not vote today
{Pine, Pisskop, bob, Hectic} - don't really want to vote today
{elsa, ddl} - if needed would policy vote today
{krazy, pops} - want to vote today


is this a good enough reads list?

why are you being more elusive on one of your top townreads (apparently) than Elsa is being on why he doesn't like Frozen 2 as much as Frozen 1?

the reads in this post are literally alphabetical in the top tier, and it isn't even listed as town reads, just people i wouldn't kill.

Why is Amrun your top town?

Is Ank solving Amrun through skitter proxy or Amrun qua Amrun?

I personally am reading them more town from Skitter than themselves.

Also amrun isn't my top town

I answered this question, was not "elusive".

He was not my top town read.

So why didn't you just say that then? Why the equivocation?

I did

Also amrun isn't my top town

AND FOR NANCY, HERE IS WHY ITS SCUMMY FROM KRAZY

Why did it take you an hour to give a straight answer to a straightforward question?

This line specifically is super disingenuous.

https://gyazo.com/3eca4dab94d851c6abd6ac07ab4ee9f0 - answered him in 6 minutes
https://gyazo.com/b793b4c61105504a0b148290152a4696 - he answered me in 20 minutes
https://gyazo.com/759319ba9937d5a45ee3eef92841ef48 - answered him in 10
https://gyazo.com/475e4829f724bd4d9f47c49e7bcc9df0 - answered him in 7
https://gyazo.com/7fcd8bf3ad9a1b4339ef8a03f46e3b69 - answered him in 3
https://gyazo.com/c55a5eafe885788c5fe3058d8610262b - answered him in 4
https://gyazo.com/40269ea846179d296ea31537115126b5 - answered him in 8
https://gyazo.com/83643013b4392e1e341711f9e2c216c3 - answered him in 5
https://gyazo.com/ebc1cd8afc9c1a4cc59fa3e404521b12 - answered him in less than 1 minute

And, then he posted the "why did it take you an hour to give an answer". It is just narrative building.

At which point I posted this, which apparently got me 3 votes:

Vote me or stop talking this is a waste of thread space

Have you guys, like, not played mafia before and seen how stupid arguments like this create white noise? It was an unproductive line of questioning. It wasn't leading toward alignment sorting, it was a long back and forth of 1 liners, and was wasting time. Cutting off the discussion isn't scummy.

[Eddie Cane]

Tom gave me an updated reads list:

{Titus, Nancy}
{Oka}
{SS, Hectic, Amrun}
{Elsa, Piss, Pine, NaCl}
Pops - he doesn't know, bob - he needs my feedback, ddl - who
{Krazy}

[Eddie Cane]

My reads are actually fairly different

[Eddie Cane]

hectic do you read titus as town?remind me

Nope, keep changing my mind on her, but scumlean right now.

Mind explaining why? Have you played with Titus?

[Eddie Cane]

Ank's reads are here (removed myself again)

Titus/Okapoka/Amrun
Nancy Drew 39/Something_Smart/Pine/Hectic/bob3141
Elsa Jay/DrDolittle
popsofctown/pisskop
Krazy/NaCl

[popsofctown]

You didn't explain why that changed or what is going on with your Am read, which was clearly the point. Instead you evaded by giving a vague unhelpful answer of "he's not" when asked why you listed him as your only town in one post and was the first listed town in your last reads list

{Amrun, NaCl, Nancy, Oka, SS, Titus} - will not vote today
{Pine, Pisskop, bob, Hectic} - don't really want to vote today
{elsa, ddl} - if needed would policy vote today
{krazy, pops} - want to vote today


is this a good enough reads list?

why are you being more elusive on one of your top townreads (apparently) than Elsa is being on why he doesn't like Frozen 2 as much as Frozen 1?

the reads in this post are literally alphabetical in the top tier, and it isn't even listed as town reads, just people i wouldn't kill.

The next two tiers aren't alphabetical
You reviewed your post and alphabetized just the top tier?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Krazy, I think assuming Eddie was avoiding your question is kind of a reach. The thing is Eddie, I’ve seen Krazy make these kind of illogical leaps as town too, so I don’t agree it’s scum indicative just that your wagon is obviously bad, based on this.

However, I do have to wonder why Krazy didn’t consider he was possibly misunderstanding you.

[Eddie Cane]

You reviewed your post and alphabetized just the top tier?

Yes, actually, explicitly because I didn't want the order to be read into. I forgot to do it for the rest of the rows I guess. I don't blame people for not picking up on that looking back tho.

[Eddie Cane]

@Krazy, I think assuming Eddie was avoiding your question is kind of a reach. The thing is Eddie, I’ve seen Krazy make these kind of illogical leaps as town too, so I don’t agree it’s scum indicative just that your wagon is obviously bad, based on this.

However, I do have to wonder why Krazy didn’t consider he was possibly misunderstanding you.

I don't think the questioning itself has to be scummy. Though Ank and Tom have read all this and have him as their top scum now. The 1 hour thing, the posturing, etc is all bad to me though. Especially since Pops is calling him scummy, naked voted him, yet he votes with pops on me with no questions, after his last post about me has me leaning town. Seems like unnatural progression, especially without a qualifier voting that it is out of frustration or policy rather than scumminess.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You didn't explain why that changed or what is going on with your Am read, which was clearly the point. Instead you evaded by giving a vague unhelpful answer of "he's not" when asked why you listed him as your only town in one post and was the first listed town in your last reads list

{Amrun, NaCl, Nancy, Oka, SS, Titus} - will not vote today
{Pine, Pisskop, bob, Hectic} - don't really want to vote today
{elsa, ddl} - if needed would policy vote today
{krazy, pops} - want to vote today


is this a good enough reads list?

why are you being more elusive on one of your top townreads (apparently) than Elsa is being on why he doesn't like Frozen 2 as much as Frozen 1?

the reads in this post are literally alphabetical in the top tier, and it isn't even listed as town reads, just people i wouldn't kill.

The next two tiers aren't alphabetical
You reviewed your post and alphabetized just the top tier?

The entire Eddie/Krazy discussion was about the top line but it shouldn’t really matter that much because absolutely none of it is scum indicative.

[Eddie Cane]

lol who wants to hear my reads list

its pretty fucking spicy

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Krazy, I think assuming Eddie was avoiding your question is kind of a reach. The thing is Eddie, I’ve seen Krazy make these kind of illogical leaps as town too, so I don’t agree it’s scum indicative just that your wagon is obviously bad, based on this.

However, I do have to wonder why Krazy didn’t consider he was possibly misunderstanding you.

I don't think the questioning itself has to be scummy. Though Ank and Tom have read all this and have him as their top scum now. The 1 hour thing, the posturing, etc is all bad to me though. Especially since Pops is calling him scummy, naked voted him, yet he votes with pops on me with no questions, after his last post about me has me leaning town. Seems like unnatural progression, especially without a qualifier voting that it is out of frustration or policy rather than scumminess.

Well, your wagon stinks, that much is obvious atp. And anyone who remains on it, gets a huge FOS from me.

[Krazy]

Nancy, he was being pedantic and cagey for no clear reason. I voted him to get him to be more direct, I wasn't really expecting a full blown wagon. That being said, I began the conversation talking to him thinking he was town but basically every response he gave made me reevaluate that. I didn't even particularly want to vote him but he refuses to ever be direct apparently unless he's under pressure.

I kinda think the idea that tom and ank both gave fresh reads list today since that convo is kinda unlikely. How did they go from both down for (redacted) reasons to giving full tiered lists within half a day?

I also am starting to think I can just bop ank + duck because at this point those lists look kinda fake to me. That is not at all what I would expect from Ank in an 82 page game

Also

[Hectic]

Don't like any of these posts:

I do get the feeling that the scum could be trying to scum read their neighbours so they can get rid of them before they flip.

Then how to we have such a large organic townblock?

L minus 1

VOTE: Hectic

Tomorrow, if I am alive, pops and I will have a chat.

The only sorta scumread I have on the wagon are ddl and elsa Jay. I doubt both are scum (wagon would be overloaded). If they both are, then it's bus cred major.

If Hectic flips town, one scum max on his wagon right now.

Ok I'm ready for the flip.

If Pine's just pushing an easy mislynch, why wouldn't he push me harder earlier? Second, why would he need an out?

I'm not a fan of this desperate effort to save Hectic.

@Titus, why are so so confident on Hectic scum? Convince me.

Look at the garbage besides you and Amrun voting Pine. Despite all the slots assisting only Pine picked up I am more agreeable as scum than town.

I don't think so. Pine's town. He's been lock town since then.

Pine's easy to wagon. Hectic took a marathon.

Drunk Titus never votes Pine.

I CTR-Fed my name and there's no mention of why she scumreads me before these posts, other than mentioning she didn't like me not having a strong reaction to her outing the hood. Nothing in her play suggests that she should be confident I'm scum, or be okay with flipping me 9 days early. Also, the shading of who? in 1143, and I dislike her defence of Pine. I'd say it could be Titus+Pine but that seems too transparent from them. Then there's the reasoning in 654, but I'm less confident on that now after the consensus from people with meta with her are saying that's Titus being obvtown. I've played with her once where she was scum but I barely remember her play, she was a lot less active there I do remember.

[Krazy]

@Krazy, I think assuming Eddie was avoiding your question is kind of a reach. The thing is Eddie, I’ve seen Krazy make these kind of illogical leaps as town too, so I don’t agree it’s scum indicative just that your wagon is obviously bad, based on this.

However, I do have to wonder why Krazy didn’t consider he was possibly misunderstanding you.

I don't think the questioning itself has to be scummy. Though Ank and Tom have read all this and have him as their top scum now. The 1 hour thing, the posturing, etc is all bad to me though. Especially since Pops is calling him scummy, naked voted him, yet he votes with pops on me with no questions, after his last post about me has me leaning town. Seems like unnatural progression, especially without a qualifier voting that it is out of frustration or policy rather than scumminess.

This is the most dogshit post I have ever seen

[Nancy Drew 39]

lol who wants to hear my reads list

its pretty fucking spicy

Sure, why not?

Out of curiosity, why did Tom and Ank change their read on me?

[Krazy]

Nancy sit down and reevaluate because eddie just claimed scum

[Eddie Cane]

lol who wants to hear my reads list

its pretty fucking spicy

Sure, why not?

Out of curiosity, why did Tom and Ank change their read on me?

They've had you as town for a long time.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, he was being pedantic and cagey for no clear reason. I voted him to get him to be more direct, I wasn't really expecting a full blown wagon. That being said, I began the conversation talking to him thinking he was town but basically every response he gave made me reevaluate that. I didn't even particularly want to vote him but he refuses to ever be direct apparently unless he's under pressure.

I kinda think the idea that tom and ank both gave fresh reads list today since that convo is kinda unlikely. How did they go from both down for (redacted) reasons to giving full tiered lists within half a day?

I also am starting to think I can just bop ank + duck because at this point those lists look kinda fake to me. That is not at all what I would expect from Ank in an 82 page game

Also

I don’t think Eddie is scum, Amrun either and I’m not touching that wagon with a ten foot pole.

[Eddie Cane]

bob/Nancy/Hectic
Amrun
Titus
Oka/SS/NaCl
Pine
Elsa/Piss/DDL
Pops / Krazy

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy sit down and reevaluate because eddie just claimed scum

Where? I’m not seeing it.

[Eddie Cane]

Nancy sit down and reevaluate because eddie just claimed scum

Where? I’m not seeing it.

Its in post #202, next to the unicorn and krazy's town role pm

[Hectic]

Much confusion and mixed thoughts. The explanation in 2027 makes sense to me, but it also seems a little overkill.

@Eddie: The best thing for you to do here if you're town is to paraphrase Ank and Tom's cases on Krazy and post that here. I don't understand why you haven't already done that.