Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Something_Smart]

1000

[Pine]

Bizarrely, Nancy, I think we are suddenly on the same page with most things except Krazy. I'm still not convinced you're Town, but I have bigger fish to fry and your reads line up with mine for the most part.

[bob3141]

Nancy, I have been a little unhappy irl recently. I try not to let real life affect my emotions here, but maybe it leaked into my interaction with you? I'm not sure how though because I was just trying to stay level headed and reasonable. My lack of engagement before was because I hadn't read the game until yesterday.
But since you've somehow gauged that and are scumreading me for it, please don't. I'm not asking you to townread me for this, I just want you to consider it NAI. Also, vote Pine with me if you scumread him too.

I've realised I shouldn't force myself to play if I'm feeling down so I'll be back tomorrow after hopefully a good night of sleep.

Why did you make that fake doc post? And yeah, I am definitely considering that as a possibility because it seems like Pine isn’t reading my posts or anything anyone is saying about me. Here’s the thing, both DDL and Pine were in Marked for Death. Pine was my buddy in that and DDL tr me here while Pine is locksr me, so something isn’t adding up.

I'm reading everything you post, and I don't lockscum you. There are shades of gray in the world. I don't respond to you because I'm trying to keep my head in the game.

As a matter of fact, I'm coming around to a Hectic + {NaCL, Krazy, Bob} solve right now.

So whats you reasoning behind these scum reads. As for soem of them i actualy cant find any progression

I do get the feeling that the scum could be trying to scum read their neighbours so they can get rid of them before they flip.

[Titus]

I do get the feeling that the scum could be trying to scum read their neighbours so they can get rid of them before they flip.

Then how to we have such a large organic townblock?

L minus 1

VOTE: Hectic

Tomorrow, if I am alive, pops and I will have a chat.

[popsofctown]

I haven't been sold on Hectic wagon, but it's got a lot of my townreads. Hm.
Lynching inside of outed neighbors is higher EV has improved EV because it gives the doctor what little concealment is left, that's in favor of Hectic lynch too. This might lead to everyone putting me on the losing end of a gladiate with Eddie but I'm going to point it out anyway, there's a lot of potential for mechanical advantage in this setup, especially if the doctor lands a protect or two and amplifies its benefits

[Amrun]

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

Pops is still scum, Eddie is even more town.

What about Bob?

Spoiler:

Trivia points to anyone who gets this.

I find the fact that he is seeking to engage with me on purpose to be +town points for bob.

He didn’t do that last game and I nailed him. Bob is really smart so I’m reserving final judgment but scum bob could just choose to engage other players instead, pretty organically, rather than someone who just pegged him as scum within the last month.

[Amrun]

Not caught up but that caught my eye, will return later.


Baby got discharged so I’ll be home with toddler for a few days. Depending how much he sleeps could be harder to post, or easier

[Amrun]

He boycotted sleep at the hospital so mommy is tired now but perhaps he will sleep extra tomorrow

[Nancy Drew 39]

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

Pops is still scum, Eddie is even more town.

What about Bob?

Spoiler:

Trivia points to anyone who gets this.

I find the fact that he is seeking to engage with me on purpose to be +town points for bob.

He didn’t do that last game and I nailed him. Bob is really smart so I’m reserving final judgment but scum bob could just choose to engage other players instead, pretty organically, rather than someone who just pegged him as scum within the last month.

Okay thanks, maybe it was a leap for me to jump to him being Hectic’s partner in event of a potential Hectic flip. What bothers me the most is that, Hectic had to know that likely at one person would be confused by his fake doc post and Pine commented on that too. However, what bothers me is that bob seems to be implying that no one would have that reaction, because of Titus’ claim and I obviously disagree with that. I also think that town!Hectic would probably show a bit of remorse for making that post, as in “sorry, guys I thought it was funny at the time but now I realize it was dumb” but he hasn’t really done that.

[OkaPoka]

nancy you do realize if pine is scum he can you know

???

Can what?

"Welp mastina is very confident you are town, most confident she's ever been in fact. Here's a couple posts she really liked. I still am doubtful but that's mastina's two cents"

[Krazy]

@Krazy why do you feel weird to Ank?

Do I feel weird to you?

Few different possibilities spring to mind, but I'd probably have to talk to her myself to know what she means.

@Titus, if you’re seriously going to follow Math’s reads, then I will be advocating PLing you in every game we’re in. Not joking.

This seems really excessive and unfair. This is team mafia, and it’s her actual brother.

Hmm, how do you feel about Mass Effect, Titus? I didn't know you were C.Shep's sister. You're like a cross-section of mafia aren't you

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy you do realize if pine is scum he can you know

???

Can what?

"Welp mastina is very confident you are town, most confident she's ever been in fact. Here's a couple posts she really liked. I still am doubtful but that's mastina's two cents"

Well sure but then that’s true for everyone who gives teammates’ reads but if Mastina isn’t tr me here, than it would be the first time she hasn’t when I’m town.

[Amrun]

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

Pops is still scum, Eddie is even more town.

What about Bob?

Spoiler:

Trivia points to anyone who gets this.

I find the fact that he is seeking to engage with me on purpose to be +town points for bob.

He didn’t do that last game and I nailed him. Bob is really smart so I’m reserving final judgment but scum bob could just choose to engage other players instead, pretty organically, rather than someone who just pegged him as scum within the last month.

Okay thanks, maybe it was a leap for me to jump to him being Hectic’s partner in event of a potential Hectic flip. What bothers me the most is that, Hectic had to know that likely at one person would be confused by his fake doc post and Pine commented on that too. However, what bothers me is that bob seems to be implying that no one would have that reaction, because of Titus’ claim and I obviously disagree with that. I also think that town!Hectic would probably show a bit of remorse for making that post, as in “sorry, guys I thought it was funny at the time but now I realize it was dumb” but he hasn’t really done that.

Why did you ask me in particular about bob?

[Krazy]

VOTE: Hectic

Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?

I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.

Oh

whoops

, I just dropped my

stethoscope

, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into my

consulting room

, and consult my

Drew

.
(hint hint)

UNVOTE:

Hectic is town. Get your votes off of him.

Nancy has a pretty good scum range, one that it has been hard for me to gauge in the past. However, this thought process (push Hectic, imagine Hectic is softing PR, hard push to unvote and suddenly insist he's town) feels a loooot more like town Nancy than scum Nancy. Now let's just make sure no one mentions the Oscars.

im gonna follow pops
VOTE: S_S

What specifically makes you feel strongly on pops town?

[Nancy Drew 39]

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

Pops is still scum, Eddie is even more town.

What about Bob?

Spoiler:

Trivia points to anyone who gets this.

I find the fact that he is seeking to engage with me on purpose to be +town points for bob.

He didn’t do that last game and I nailed him. Bob is really smart so I’m reserving final judgment but scum bob could just choose to engage other players instead, pretty organically, rather than someone who just pegged him as scum within the last month.

Okay thanks, maybe it was a leap for me to jump to him being Hectic’s partner in event of a potential Hectic flip. What bothers me the most is that, Hectic had to know that likely at one person would be confused by his fake doc post and Pine commented on that too. However, what bothers me is that bob seems to be implying that no one would have that reaction, because of Titus’ claim and I obviously disagree with that. I also think that town!Hectic would probably show a bit of remorse for making that post, as in “sorry, guys I thought it was funny at the time but now I realize it was dumb” but he hasn’t really done that.

Why did you ask me in particular about bob?

I wanted to know your thoughts on him but it was also a general question open to anyone.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Hectic

Seems like this is a popular wagon.

Consider this my birthday surprise.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Hectic

Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?

I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.

Oh

whoops

, I just dropped my

stethoscope

, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into my

consulting room

, and consult my

Drew

.
(hint hint)

UNVOTE:

Hectic is town. Get your votes off of him.

Nancy has a pretty good scum range, one that it has been hard for me to gauge in the past. However, this thought process (push Hectic, imagine Hectic is softing PR, hard push to unvote and suddenly insist he's town) feels a loooot more like town Nancy than scum Nancy.

Now let's just make sure no one mentions the Oscars

.

im gonna follow pops
VOTE: S_S

What specifically makes you feel strongly on pops town?

Yep, Krazy is still town. This is an in depth read on me, clearly not a pocket.

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: Hectic

Seems like this is a popular wagon.

Consider this my birthday surprise.

REAL L1

[Krazy]

Okay, thanks.

I don't think he's posted enough serious content to be readable yet.

I actually feel like this is a pretty reasonable take on Hectic for when this is written, still haven't seen what led to the l-1

Its a personality read.

He is scum.

Just wondering but how does a personality read differ from a tone read, or are they the same thing? Just not used to this term being used like this I guess

*

Note to self: Reread Pine on page 25 later

[NaCl]

you don't think hectic's most recent posts are shit?

I think Hectic's posts haven't been too great but there are times where I see a move that I think scum-Hectic would make but Hectic is specifically not making those actions. The wagon is generally pretty badly done. Although if he is scum then I think pops is more likely to be town due to 968.

Nancy you always have an expectation of people treating you as obvtown and I'm hoping that if even your teammates can't explain why you are obvtown you will stop beating our heads over not locking you town.

Idk what to say nacl if you don't like what I've had to say then unlucky

Fine. VOTE: Okapoka Farkran says your posting doesn't have any depth to it ( mostly agree) and whenever I try and get a better grip on your thought process you clearly don't want to help me with that.

@NACL why aren't you voting? Too salty? (Sorry couldn't resist the pun.)

See my previous response to Krazy, same thing.

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

Okay, so pops vs Eddie, I don't think outing the neighborhood makes Eddie scum. Like, I get that Eddie can do it if he's careless scum but pops' argument doesn't make sense since he can also do it if he's annoyed town and I don't see why pops is reading into it in that way. It feels forced.
I initially liked pops for her earlier play because it didn't feel like it was scum-her and I think I actually know how she is as scum, unlike most people here. But the vote on Eddie feels like a reach.


Regarding the Hectic wagon, I'm not super opposed to it, but I disagree with the reasoning behind it. Mostly for Nancy's issue. Because from what I'm reading from Hectic's posts, he doesn't seem to understand the issue with the question he was asking. Nancy, do you think he's faking that he doesn't understand? I think it would be easier for scum to just say, "oops, I didn't realize" and then stop pushing on it instead of continuing to try talking to you.

This whoooole post sets off alarms. Salt is undermining a near-universally Townread player while weakly affirming the wagon (that that player) is on. There's a whole lot of unnatural solviness (yes I just made up a word) there. "I don't disagree with your vote, but let me now try to build a case against one of the people on that wagon" is a classic scum misdirect-while-hedging play.

That's nice and all, but that doesn't refute what I'm saying. Like, I'm specifically saying that I don't see scum motivation in Hectic's actions. I don't think Hectic has done a single thing worth defending him for, I just think that the wagon is mixed full of people with bad reasons like you and ND, and scum who is going along for the ride (Okapoka, far less sure on Pisskop). If Hectic does flips scum, yeah, sure, I'll have to change. And my case on Okapoka has nothing to do with the Hectic wagon.

Like are you trying to ignore my point? Unless your reasons have changed on Hectic, I still don't think that most of the stuff people are talking about are scummy.

Nancy you always have an expectation of people treating you as obvtown and I'm hoping that if even your teammates can't explain why you are obvtown you will stop beating our heads over not locking you town.

Idk what to say nacl if you don't like what I've had to say then unlucky

Fine. VOTE: Okapoka Farkran says your posting doesn't have any depth to it ( mostly agree) and whenever I try and get a better grip on your thought process you clearly don't want to help me with that.

@NACL why aren't you voting? Too salty? (Sorry couldn't resist the pun.)

See my previous response to Krazy, same thing.

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

Okay, so pops vs Eddie, I don't think outing the neighborhood makes Eddie scum. Like, I get that Eddie can do it if he's careless scum but pops' argument doesn't make sense since he can also do it if he's annoyed town and I don't see why pops is reading into it in that way. It feels forced.
I initially liked pops for her earlier play because it didn't feel like it was scum-her and I think I actually know how she is as scum, unlike most people here. But the vote on Eddie feels like a reach.


Regarding the Hectic wagon, I'm not super opposed to it, but I disagree with the reasoning behind it. Mostly for Nancy's issue. Because from what I'm reading from Hectic's posts, he doesn't seem to understand the issue with the question he was asking. Nancy, do you think he's faking that he doesn't understand? I think it would be easier for scum to just say, "oops, I didn't realize" and then stop pushing on it instead of continuing to try talking to you.

It’s definitely possible but that isn’t why I’m voting him but when I tell someone that I’m concerned that answering something could be antitown, I don’t know why they don’t back off either. One thing is clear. Hectic and Pine are never buddies here.

However, why Oka? He is so obviously town. This vote may possibly be town indicative for you however, since there’s pretty much no chance we’re flipping Oka today.

1. I don't think that setup discussion is alignment indicative most of the time which is his oldest posts.
2. He's posting a lot of opinions but isn't really backing them up. Too many of his posts are like "I think X" and is missing the "I think X because _". He goes on about Krazy scum and when I try to push deeper on it, he abandons the read. And the entire time I've been trying to get a better understanding of his thoughts, he's been sidestepping my question. He was deliberately avoiding me advance my read on him.

[pisskop]

I say personality. What I mean is a combination of meta and tonal and a bit of soft tells.

[OkaPoka]

I don't need to post why if its obvious

[OkaPoka]

I also don't need to post why if it's me testing/gut/very contrived

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Hectic

Seems like this is a popular wagon.

Consider this my birthday surprise.

REAL L1

Damn, thought I got to quickhammer.

[OkaPoka]

But also if you want to engage with me on reads you need to post more so you can catch me in my train of thought

I don't like explaining things I dont believe anymore