BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[Venus and Mars]

That was @V&M, kinda loses the context on the next page.

I still have no clue what you were talking about.

[Venus and Mars]

Conditional

doctor.

Here Chk, this is irrefutable proof that she wasn’t lying about Loyal modifier.

it really only proves that she was planning on claiming a modifier.

No more than that because loyal is conditional.

[davesaz]

Technically you only have the ability to not vote there.

This part was in response to your hard veto comment.

The other part ended up being restated in my new wall.

[Chara]

Conditional

doctor.

Here Chk, this is irrefutable proof that she wasn’t lying about Loyal modifier.

it really only proves that she was planning on claiming a modifier.

No more than that because loyal is conditional.

so it only proves she was planning on claiming a condition (there are quite a lot of them).
it is not irrefutable proof she wasn't lying.

[Chara]

davesaz: so what is your actual opinion on Joan's alignment?

[Venus and Mars]

She’s a LOYAL Doc but Titus is bleeding obvtown anyway.

Nancy, Joan being a loyal doc doesn't matter. docs don't get confirmation of their action going through or not.

True only when there’s no NK, does this very likely confirm it. Dann doc’d us and there was no kill in VG and some people still thought there seriously was a world we’d flip scum. Unfuckingblelievable but sometimes town really is that bad.

[Chara]

Wait, I thought desperate failed on scum?

BP

you just said desperate was disloyal + weak, which means it fails on town and works on scum.

pedit: yes, if there had been no nk it would be worlds different.

[RCEnigma]

i thought Almost's final claim was Desperate. Weak was something he was talking about earlier.

my understand is Weak = die on scum/millers, and Desperate = die on scum/millers, action fails on town. distinct enough.

Desperate - Like Disloyal, but works against Millers and similar. Mod may also make it so where if they would target successfully like if they had a Loyal modifier, they die.

@Chara - go back to my massive quote from 50jp. He says 1 shot recharged weak desperate visitor. So desperate is usually a disloyal modifier, but in this game (according to Titus) is both weak and disloyal. So why add in weak, when desperate is already weak. That's my issue. Either Boon is using the same modifier in different ways in this game and changing its meaning case by case, or 50 has a redundant modifier, or one of 50 and Titus are lying.

BP

How are they using the modifier in different ways? It sounds identical to me.

Weak doesn't fail on town. Desperate does.

Wait, I thought desperate failed on scum?

BP

If it failed on scum it would cancel the weak modifier. I think.

[RCEnigma]

Wait, I thought desperate failed on scum?

BP

you just said desperate was disloyal + weak, which means it fails on town and works on scum.

pedit: yes, if there had been no nk it would be worlds different.

Yeah, so desperate + weak fails on town targets where weak wouldn't, it would just kill on scum targets.

[RCEnigma]

Wait, I thought desperate failed on scum?

BP

you just said desperate was disloyal + weak, which means it fails on town and works on scum.

pedit: yes, if there had been no nk it would be worlds different.

Yeah, so desperate + weak fails on town targets where weak wouldn't, it would just kill on scum targets.

Which is why creature should be targeting A50 tonight. A no visit = town. A visit = scum. I was thinking a watcher could sit on creature to catch either a roleblocker or a kill targeting creature but the watcher thing was just mentioned in passing.

[Venus and Mars]

Hmm, can we lynch Chara or Chkflip or Bambi if not Nips?

I am finding their responses look like scumflail?

Look at Chkflip. He's ok with the dice enabler claim, but wants to lynch the doctor to the point where he's in a panick. He wanted a fast EoD yesterday too. Yet, he hard defends Nips because of ambiguous actions no one can prove happened. He defends him to the point where Nips has coasted without giving any content at all.

Chara is directly shading the doctor claim, which telegraphs the likely move for the scumteam today if we don't hit the enchantress if Chara is scum and no other doctor exists.

Bambi's speed hammer to save Nips was bad too.

I don’t really think Nips was in any real danger at that point but the persistence in pushing Joan is definitely concerning. I don’t think I want to lynch Drew anymore. Had he jumped on Joan, I probably would want him dead but he hasn’t so he gets town points for that.

[Amrun]

I think there’s literally 2 votes on Joan, is there not? Hardly a wagon.

[chkflip]

I'm surprised you're not on my scum team for voting there as well, Amrun.



Shits a joke.

[RCEnigma]

Was tempted to vote there. But doc and enabler and blah and blah.

The slots a scumbutt.

[Amrun]

I'm surprised you're not on my scum team for voting there as well, Amrun.



Shits a joke.

I feel like this game is really pants on head and no one is on the same page.

[Venus and Mars]

Titus, i've been trying to be on your side in VCA and in the Nips issue because i trust your judgement on things of that nature and my own judgement on your alignment.

i am telling you with absolute certainty that your thought process on this is compromised if that's your conclusion. please read my recent posts with a fresher head. Joan's responses to questioning have been awful and chk (and me, and Amrun, and RCE) are noticing.

How is her thought process “compromised” and “awful” may be true but is that necessarily scum indicative or at least even remotely enough to justify her being today’s lynch? I say no.

Titus’ thought process can’t be “compromised” when I’m agreeing with it and I am wrt Joan. I think Joan lynch today is a terrible idea. Is my thought process also “compromised”?

[Amrun]

Was tempted to vote there. But doc and enabler and blah and blah.

The slots a scumbutt.

What slot?

[Venus and Mars]

Titus, i've been trying to be on your side in VCA and in the Nips issue because i trust your judgement on things of that nature and my own judgement on your alignment.

i am telling you with absolute certainty that your thought process on this is compromised if that's your conclusion. please read my recent posts with a fresher head. Joan's responses to questioning have been awful and chk (and me, and Amrun, and RCE) are noticing.

You drew scum didn't you?

We aren't touching a doc claim with a claimed enabler. That's dumb as shit.

Hard agree with the bolded.

[RCEnigma]

Was tempted to vote there. But doc and enabler and blah and blah.

The slots a scumbutt.

What slot?

Joan.

[Venus and Mars]

i thought Almost's final claim was Desperate. Weak was something he was talking about earlier.

my understand is Weak = die on scum/millers, and Desperate = die on scum/millers, action fails on town. distinct enough.

Desperate - Like Disloyal, but works against Millers and similar. Mod may also make it so where if they would target successfully like if they had a Loyal modifier, they die.

@Chara - go back to my massive quote from 50jp. He says 1 shot recharged weak desperate visitor. So desperate is usually a disloyal modifier, but in this game (according to Titus) is both weak and disloyal. So why add in weak, when desperate is already weak. That's my issue. Either Boon is using the same modifier in different ways in this game and changing its meaning case by case, or 50 has a redundant modifier, or one of 50 and Titus are lying.

BP

How are they using the modifier in different ways? It sounds identical to me.

Weak doesn't fail on town. Desperate does.

Titus is never scum here in any case. As I already mentioned, Drew’s Titus’ games comparisons locked that in for me.

[Chara]

not wanting to lynch Joan isn't what i'm talking about. i'm talking about chk and i being scum for disagreeing.

[RCEnigma]

That at me or Nancy?

[chkflip]

You can have a town enabler for a scum role. And vice versa.

Just want to throw that out there since it doesn't appear to be that obvious to the peanut gallery. The longer they're both alive increases the likelihood of one flipping red.

That also assumes I believe the claim.

Which I don't, so, there's that.

[Chara]

RCE: i was talking to Nancy, in response to her asking if i thought she was compromised. the answer is no, by the way. i said that about Titus because her conclusions recently have been singular and black and white, ie "you disagree with me, so you're scum", and "there is an Enchantress" as opposed to "something interfered with night actions and Enchantress is my theory". was also trying to talk to Titus by saying that and hopefully get a discussion about it which is why my language was stronger than normal.

[Venus and Mars]

Mod: Do desperate slots lose their ability to act with the juvenile delinquent dead if their original role wasn't cop like?

Nancy, I'm going to try to explain those crumbs in 20 minutes.

Desperate is a modifier, the abilities get disabled.

Hmmm . . . interesting. Does this make A50 vt now?