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[Luca Blight]

Not sure what the VC is but I think that's L-2.

[IMASPY]

VOTE: Unvote

[IMASPY]

So dsjstr i will give you one more chance to defend yourself. Why are you still voting for dawoodle after you voted him to get information out of him? What has dawoodle done or said to convince you he is mafia?

[dsjstr]

I don't have a new sus and any time I unvote I get seen as scum. Like I said earlier I am struggling to really get reads this game. Part of the problem is I find it hard to trust SE's just because I know that they can play the game well and this game now has 5 of them.

[dsjstr]

I would like to point out that I still believe that Luca is town even though I just said I don't trust SE's.

[IMASPY]

I dont see it scumming to unvote in the middle of day 1. I do see it as scumming to vote someone to L-2 just to get them to talk some more then never unvoting after they do what the voter ask. You should unvote now if you dont see dawoodle as mafia.

[dsjstr]

Yes I voted on him to get him to talk I was applying pressure. And someone else was also at L-3 so I chose dawoodle because I saw him as being scummier. If you think I am scum then you should vote for me to apply pressure.

[dsjstr]

I'm not going to unvote because it would either be because you want me to or because you told me to.

[IMASPY]

VOTE: dsjstr

[IMASPY]

That should be L-2 on dsjstr again

[Luca Blight]

dsjstr's recent posts show he is entirely self-conscious of how his actions might be perceived, and his focus is on this rather than on finding scum.

He wasn't like this at all as Town in his previous game with me. I feel pretty good about this read.

[Poyzin]

Hey! Sorry for the delay, it seems that activity really picked up without me. I read myself up over the last couple pages, and I think I have a good feel for the argument against dsjstr.

Luca Blight, what you are saying is pretty convincing. To you, dsjstr is far too worried about the consequences of his actions rather than the actions themselves, and I do agree that this is problematic, because it hinders a user's offense to search for scum and replaces it with defense against other users. I was curious about what information you had on dsjstr. I see that their account was created a couple months ago. Did they not play with a goal of self-preservation in the past? I'm slightly confused on this note, because while their actions have been questionable at best, they seem SOMEwhat understandable. If a townie knows that they are town, shouldn't they want to advocate their townie-ness? I get that there is a limit to how much advocation is done for one's sake, but dsjstr clearly wants to live. I don't think that's a scum-tell for someone who hasn't been around for terribly long and just wants to play the game more than just D1.

Admittedly, your quoting of dsjstr's pile-on votes are definitely sketch. I'm with you on that end.

[Poyzin]

Also, you have only posted semi non filler when address directly. Look how attentive youve become after the vote.

In addenum, this would also be explained by dsjstr's behavior. If my read of them is correct, then dsjstr is probably town who doesn't want to die, and wants to make sure that he gets his point across that he is town. Because of such, his activity level increased upon being seriously pushed against. I am led to believe that this would be a completely normal activity flux; dsjstr gets talked about, so they feel the need to respond to everything being said about them. Especially with as much heat on dsjstr, there would definitely be many points to respond to.


I don't think this is a fair argument for IMASPY to make, as the increase in activity was instigated by IMASPY's initial vote, and used this reaction to justify the original claim made against dsjstr. Sort of to the effect of: "see? dsjstr is making a lot of posts now that a wagon is forming!"

[Luca Blight]

Why do you maintain your vote on dsjstr if you do not scumread him?

[eth0s]

Hey guys I was gonna make a VC but I can hardly keep my eyes open, sorry.

I'll do one in the morning.

[Iconeum]

So who are the scum for you, dawoodle?

I think at least one of Blatant and Billy are scum. Dsjstr is suspect, and Luca is null but leaning scum. I can go into my reasoning if anyone is interested.

so you are scumreading 4 out of 8 players, but I don't really see you trying to engage/sort with those scumreads?

So who are the scum for you, dawoodle?

I think at least one of Blatant and Billy are scum. Dsjstr is suspect, and Luca is null but leaning scum. I can go into my reasoning if anyone is interested.

yes i would like you to go into more detail about Luca leaning scum and why dsjstr is suspect.

Good post. +town.

i havent commited to anything yet because im still waiting for some interaction from luca and dsjstr that isnt filler.

Actually yea i have committed to it now. VOTE: dsjstr I think if we have to get rid of someone today it should be dsjstr or Luca.

What made you commit to something that 20 minutes ago you weren't willing to commit to?

[Luca Blight]

Icon, what's your current read on Blatant Scum and dsjstr?

[Iconeum]

no real read on blatant

don't think he's really posted AI stuff yet

[Iconeum]

dsjstr is probs town, tonal read tho

[IMASPY]

i havent commited to anything yet because im still waiting for some interaction from luca and dsjstr that isnt filler.

Actually yea i have committed to it now. VOTE: dsjstr I think if we have to get rid of someone today it should be dsjstr or Luca.

What made you commit to something that 20 minutes ago you weren't willing to commit to?[/quote]

I think what really sent me over was on page 4 when he put dawoodle at L-2 and disguised this by diminishing the post count of everyone by comparing it to the mod. Which made absolutely no sense to me since the mod made 12 post on page 1 before the thread became unlocked.

[dsjstr]

i havent commited to anything yet because im still waiting for some interaction from luca and dsjstr that isnt filler.

Actually yea i have committed to it now. VOTE: dsjstr I think if we have to get rid of someone today it should be dsjstr or Luca.

What made you commit to something that 20 minutes ago you weren't willing to commit to?

I think what really sent me over was on page 4 when he put dawoodle at L-2 and disguised this by diminishing the post count of everyone by comparing it to the mod. Which made absolutely no sense to me since the mod made 12 post on page 1 before the thread became unlocked.[/quote]

Buddy all I said was that people were not being active. It clearly worked.

[dsjstr]

Are you actually listening to anything I've said, I have been responding to you for a reason.

[dsjstr]

You voted for me because I voted for dawoodle. Don't you dare try to say that my vote was trying to be hidden when at the time and even now dawoodle was being seen as scum.

[eth0s]

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[eth0s]

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