White Flag - TM2020

[Dunnstral]

My kill pool is:

[Esp, Dong, Hopkirk]

This is exactly my kill pool right now

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Espeonage

[Dannflor]

I was just looking back now at how some of the end of day stuff went down. My initial response to Dann's trajectory (just the one I happened to look at first) is... town???? Avoiding nsg consistently only to flip there in th 11th hour seems like a strange bus.

I'm a little embarrassed by my indecisiveness yesterday. However, from a completely non-neutral perspective, I *feel* like it's fairly obvious I didn't know NSG's alignment.

My team and I do not agree with this

Is this something you want to talk about orrrrrr

[Cephrir]

Dongempire says his preferred gamestate is lynching FF first and NSG tomorrow

Want to add here: I thought it was strange that he said this and then also said he wanted to case espe tomorrow

[gobbledygook]

We think it is scummy that you were on Fish, then you were on the BB flash wagon, and only after that did you vote NSG when it was obvious that NSG was going to flip. That level of movement around NSG is scummy to us. Plus, your earlier stances on NSG seemed like soft pushes in her direction.

[Cephrir]

Wow. This game went down the drain quickly.
Guess I came back too late.
Glgl.

Think cheeky makes this post as scum roughly never

[Cephrir]

Dann you were happy lynching anyone.
Dunn why didn't you hop on BB?

And this one double never

[Dannflor]

^^^ Cheeky wagon is very bad

[Dannflor]

gobble here is the full progression if you need a refresher

Spoiler: dann is dumb

yeah alright

VOTE: nsg

dongempire is not exciting me much anymore anyway

snip

tl;dr: town core of [Auro, Cheeky, KittyMo, Dunnstral]

want to lynch in [FF, Esp, NSG]

could probably compromise on one of my mixed reads, BBmolla especially but ehhh I mostly wanna give those slots more time because I think they CAN become readable

VOTE: FF

This is what I want to kill most.

actually fuck it I'm gonna be around till the deadline I think VOTE: NSG

VOTE: Gobble

VOTE: FF

god im so indecisive right now

UNVOTE:

I’m gonna take a few hours break from the game and come back and make my decision. I think I need to take a step back and mull these last pages over

VOTE: NSG

VOTE: FF

I need to sleep. Be back in 8 hours.

VOTE: BB

fuck it

VOTE: NSG

yolo

it's uh, not good play. In retrospect I should've pushed NSG a lot harder, but my biggest weakness in this game (and probably in real life!) is indecisiveness and overthinking. I don't think all of my swaps were necessary from a scum perspective and I think if I was scum I would've played it better / committed to the bus harder.

Do you have other reasons for thinking I'm scum or is it purely in my wagon movements yesterday? Is Menalque scum reading me?

[Cephrir]

Skimming the last two pages I like BBmolla for town too, but I don't remember him from the early game at all.

This statement in particular seems to come from a town viewpoint.

I'm not at all sold on a Gobble lynch.

FF, your team was giving you inputs: can you specify what exactly?

Why is it implausible disengaged scum Gobble would forgetfully post this?

I didn't like gobble's vote there, though.

Is there something in the progression of his vote that you don't like or is it more bad news bears because you think he's scummy in general? I'm very unsure on gobble right now because there's sort of a black hole in progressions for how he got to his original big read wall. WATCHING ACTIVITY LEVELS was bizarrely political phrasing for the absence. Now he uhhh, apparently likes everyone he used to dislike more besides Dongempire. I thought him liking FF for the burden of proof thing was random because it seemed like one of the more nai things in FF iso to me, but the overall progression on the read doesn't come off implausibly to me on face.

It felt like they turned on FF as soon as they could and that their read there was fake

I'm honestly wondering if Gobble's team told him to act a certain way around me or what. It's like, half of his posts seem really scummy and then when he comes back he sounds reasonable

Right now he is doing the reasonable part

NSG is openly scumclaiming

She said her team thought gobble was scum and then said FF is the only wagon she can see flipping scum

And then she won't answer to numerous inquiries about what is going on

Plus her play when she comes back is pretty blatantly scum

I think it's pretty obvious that FF is frustrated town with his recent posting but nobody else seems to agree with that

I'm not going to be able to explain it beyond saying that the frustration feels genuine and the stubbornness when being lynched is a town trait

Sigh. If you had just stopped being stubborn and worked with me as town I think it's unlikely things would have ended up this way.

How certain are you that FF is scum?

I think NSG is scum, but not FF. All I see is you voting for FF over NSG

Your wagon resistance thing doesn't make any sense - the vast majority of players are town

I really doubt we'll have enough time to to switch to BBmolla

I think I like Dong and Espe for town a liiittle bit more than previously

I'm going to make this the fucking fun game or die trying

which aggression is over the top/ungenuine?

I'd rather do that than get to LYLO and have NSG not fucking posted all game because "sorry guys other games required attention."

As well as overly aggressive (why you mad bro) why can't we see if she posts tomorrow? It's not like we have to lynch her today for how she could possibly play in the future, that seems unfair right?

Like you could continue to be lurky but it wouldn't make sense for us to lynch you based on what you could do.

okay but what if we don't lynch her today and she's not playing in the future but there's obvious fucking scum that we can't lynch because she's continuing to lurk

lurkers are fucking poison to a mafia game

and if you think that's me being aggressive you haven't played with me enough

Dong is pretty blatant scum imo

I'll vote NSG when I know I'm not hammering, not gonna put up with that shit, we're not your fucking sidepiece game NSG, play or die

I feel like this game is fairly obvious for the most part? Lot's of pretty readable people in this game.

Although Espy iirc is really fucking hard to read for me, pretty sure I've lost to Espy scum multiple times

I don't think your early sentiments match your current actions, and you're pretty much coasting/doing nothing while these wagons go through, except you popped in to shut down Gobble wagon

Dunnstral is town

[Cephrir]

To expand slightly

Because we already discussed scum turbobus strats for white flag in this game I really dont think scum would look to turbobus in this game, at least until maybe late game when theres only 2 of them

[Cephrir]

I'm maybe a little less into destroying espe than the thread currently is

[Dannflor]

I could kill Dong instead

there's just a few of his posts that feel... too cute to be scum

but that's a bad reason not to kill someone

[Dunnstral]

I'm not certain on Espe either

[Cephrir]

Finished reading and ready to VOTE: Dongempire

I feel theres a good chance dann is scum but I can chill on that for a bit and see what happens. Even if he is it would probably be easier to lynch his partner

[Donempire]

To expand slightly

Because we already discussed scum turbobus strats for white flag in this game I really dont think scum would look to turbobus in this game, at least until maybe late game when theres only 2 of them

1 scum wins the game

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Dong

Dong can you go into your bottom reads? Specifically FF, Espeonage, and Cheeky. Can you rank them or explain where you stand on each of them?

[Donempire]

Former was suspicious for me because he was trying to deflect into nsg. That was my big reason for not wanting to flip onto nsg and you seemed to agree with this until it wasnt cool

Esp and cheeky i can explain when i wake up because its longer but i sispect them more than ff

[Donempire]

Btw 1203 isnt defending nsg

[Dannflor]

Former was suspicious for me because he was trying to deflect into nsg. That was my big reason for not wanting to flip onto nsg and you seemed to agree with this until it wasnt cool

Esp and cheeky i can explain when i wake up because its longer but i sispect them more than ff

Formerfish I suspected for a lot of reasons. To clarify, you are still scum reading FF?

[Dannflor]

btw Ank thinks Cheeky is hilariously obv town and the wagon on her is terrible

I'm inclined to agree

[gobbledygook]

Do you have other reasons for thinking I'm scum or is it purely in my wagon movements yesterday? Is Menalque scum reading me?

Purely wagon movements.
Yes.

[Cephrir]

To expand slightly

Because we already discussed scum turbobus strats for white flag in this game I really dont think scum would look to turbobus in this game, at least until maybe late game when theres only 2 of them

1 scum wins the game

What? It literally doesn't

[gobbledygook]

Why do you ask about Menalque specifically?

[Dannflor]

He has played with both town me in Normal 2081 and scum me in AvP. I was wondering which game he thought my play here was more like. Obviously I have an opinion but I'm biased.

I guess I can't really hold it against him if he thinks I'm scum though considering Cephrir has also played with me as both alignments and thinks I could be scum.

Mostly I was just wondering if there was something about my play Menalque in particular was scum reading since he has experience with me. If it's just the wagon movements then whatever

Why exactly is Cheeky your first vote today?