White Flag - TM2020

gobbledygook · Post Post #1800 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:49 am

VOTE: Dong

I feel like I was right about this yesterDay

gobbledygook · Post Post #1801 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:05 am

In post 1598, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1590, gobbledygook wrote:I have asked Menalque to answer this.
I think Cheeky was trying to do anything but vote NSG yesterday. In a game like white flag which heavily disincentivizes bussing, I am looking at those types of plays the most
Are you serious? How about you look at people who were able to hammer FF or BB and didn't then clear out from there. This is disappointing from you.

Is this a burden of proficiency argument on me, Cheeky? I find that odd because we have only played one game together.

In post 1597, BBmolla wrote:Speaking of which, was there scum on my wagon?

Do you think that there weren't scum on your wagon?

In post 1684, Dunnstral wrote:I think saying he'll vote NSG tomorrow after lynching FF today is scummy - and I truly believe he would have bussed nsg on day 2, after he got his FF mislynch.

Today, he's backing off from FF because he doesn't want to look bad, but that doesn't really match up with what he was saying yesterday.

This would make sense especially if he is letting louder players drive the FF wagon.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1802 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:20 am

In post 1801, gobbledygook wrote:Is this a burden of proficiency argument on me, Cheeky? I find that odd because we have only played one game together.

If I was BoPing you I'd vote you. Think of it more as a logical thinking excersize.

gobbledygook · Post Post #1803 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:21 am

In post 1802, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1801, gobbledygook wrote:Is this a burden of proficiency argument on me, Cheeky? I find that odd because we have only played one game together.
If I was BoPing you I'd vote you. Think of it more as a logical thinking excersize.

That confuses me even more. Why would you vote me if you were BoP'ing me?

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1804 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:24 am

In post 1803, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1802, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1801, gobbledygook wrote:Is this a burden of proficiency argument on me, Cheeky? I find that odd because we have only played one game together.
If I was BoPing you I'd vote you. Think of it more as a logical thinking excersize.
That confuses me even more. Why would you vote me if you were BoP'ing me?

Because I'd think you weren't dumb enough to think I could be scum. Therefore scum.

gobbledygook · Post Post #1805 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:26 am

How does me thinking you're scum make me dumb? I'm always going to reevaluate the people who put up resistance to scum lynches.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1806 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:27 am

Yeah I'm not going to do this again.

gobbledygook · Post Post #1807 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:29 am

I'm not trying to be difficult, Cheeky. I'm sorry if I made you feel that way though

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1808 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:35 am

What? I mean I'm not having another 1v1 which is irrelevant to today's objective. Nothing personal.

Formerfish · Post Post #1809 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:36 am

Ok, so this has a shorter night than i expected. I will be here tonight.

ISO · Post Post #1810 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:19 am

In post 1689, Donempire wrote:
In post 1600, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1412, Cephrir wrote:I will be around today if yall decide to flashwagin

I liked bb at the start but yeah I do think a little fire that fades out quickly has a good chance of being scum

In post 1415, Cephrir wrote:fine

VOTE: bb

In post 1419, Cephrir wrote:I still think nsg is the best lynch but it's fine I guess

In post 1452, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1445, Dannflor wrote:
northsidegal - 5
(Kittymo, Dunnstral, gobbledygook, BBMolla, Dannflor)

BBmolla - 4
(CheekyTeeky, Cephrir, Formerfish, Dongempire)

Formerfish - 2
(northsidegal, Espeonage)

gobbledygook - 1
(Hopkirk)

Not Voting - 1
(Auro)

I think that's accurate.

We have ~8 hours left.
VOTE: nsg
These tell a pretty clear story

I didn't think I could get her, then switched back when it was pointed put she had more votes than I realized
And this makes you town... how?

If you were planning to bus NSG so that you could point this out later then this makes perfect sense as scumceph. What reason is there to point this out

bbmolla asked why i voted him. i was answering his question.

ISO · Post Post #1811 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:44 am

i am having a hard time figuring out what espe or dong are trying to accomplish today if they're scum. are they just giving up?

Donempire · Post Post #1812 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:54 am

I mean, i gave up trying to convince you. I still havent given up on winning so maybe i'll steer it towards cheeky and wrap this game up.

ISO · Post Post #1813 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:08 am

that's exactly what i'm saying though

trying to lynch someone (cheeky) right now who is very clearly absolutely not getting lynched doesn't seem like a strong play for scum

ISO · Post Post #1814 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:09 am

idk, don't do wifom kids, it'll fuck you up

Auro · Post Post #1815 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:30 am

In post 1813, Cephrir wrote:that's exactly what i'm saying though

trying to lynch someone (cheeky) right now who is very clearly absolutely not getting lynched doesn't seem like a strong play for scum

Exactly and this after that ridiculous attack on you. I'm as confused as you are, but yeah, I think overthinking at this point is bad. Let's just lynch Esp?

Auro · Post Post #1816 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:44 am

In post 1812, Donempire wrote:I mean, i gave up trying to convince you. I still havent given up on winning so maybe i'll steer it towards cheeky and wrap this game up.

Scumslip scumslip scumslip scumslip

ISO · Post Post #1817 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:49 am

i kinda think espe and dong are both mislynches but i couldn't give a very good reason why
i guess we have room to mess up tho

Dannflor · Post Post #1818 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:37 am

Hey Espe, let's leave aside the lurker lynch argument for a moment because I don't think that's going anywhere.

In post 692, Espeonage wrote:Should also be noted that I reckon NSG is more likely to be town in my book than most of the other lurkers.

Why did you think NSG was more likely town than other slots here? What was your logic/reasoning behind town reading her? Or at least town reading her more than the other lurker slots?

gobbledygook · Post Post #1819 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:10 am

In post 1817, Cephrir wrote:i kinda think espe and dong are both mislynches but i couldn't give a very good reason why
i guess we have room to mess up tho

If that’s true, who do you think is pushing for those mislynches?

ISO · Post Post #1820 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:19 am

In post 1819, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1817, Cephrir wrote:i kinda think espe and dong are both mislynches but i couldn't give a very good reason why
i guess we have room to mess up tho
If that’s true, who do you think is pushing for those mislynches?

hopkirk's partner >_>

Espeonage · Post Post #1821 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:05 am

In post 1692, Dannflor wrote:I might be ascribing town points to Dong's posts because of Dong™ things and not things that are actually town indicative. Because a lot of it feels too wolfy to be wolfy but if Auro says he's just like this then that might be a bad thing to fall back on.

Espeonage, the only thing I really have to say is that it doesn't matter whether or not you believe in meta as a scum hunting tool. The fact of the matter is there was valid reason to believe NSG's scum equity was higher than other lurkers for the other players in the game. And even if you personally don't subscribe to using meta in mafia it
didn't seem like you were even recognizing the concerns people
had, instead discrediting them as just-another-lurker-lynch.

I was wilfully ignoring them.

Espeonage · Post Post #1822 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:12 am

In post 1818, Dannflor wrote:Hey Espe, let's leave aside the lurker lynch argument for a moment because I don't think that's going anywhere.

In post 692, Espeonage wrote:Should also be noted that I reckon NSG is more likely to be town in my book than most of the other lurkers.
Why did you think NSG was more likely town than other slots here? What was your logic/reasoning behind town reading her? Or at least town reading her more than the other lurker slots?

This was very close after the AtE which I ate up.

Dannflor · Post Post #1823 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:14 am

In post 515, northsidegal wrote:i apologize if this is frustrating, but my team unanimously agrees that it's best for me to spend my time elsewhere. if i don't get nightkilled this game will be my first priority tomorrow.

In post 669, northsidegal wrote:dann, what exactly do you think my plan is as scum here? you know that i actually CAN play scum, right? i've endgamed as scum before in white flag (i'm CultOfAthena). i have the capability to put words to paper as scum, especially if it were team mafia, and especially with RC on my team. (personally i would say that the reason i say less as scum in general is more due to lack of interest rather than lack of ability, but that's neither here nor there)

this game is just as important to my team as the others, and that's exactly why we're going with this strategy. i would never be doing this if i wasn't confident in my ability to show that i'm town when the time comes.

voting me is a mistake and won't make me play differently. with the time left in the day and my focus on other games if i switched now then i likely wouldn't get an optimal lynch but i would still paint a target on my back.

these posts you town read?

Espeonage · Post Post #1824 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:15 am

Ok so I'm in a weird spot because my town reads at the moment include Cheeky and Dong.

That said I am also wresting with, if scum is leading the town at the moment which is 'feels' like, then the narrative of yesterday likely would have been different. I'm gonna try and wrap my head around that conundrum and come back with some theories because all the momentum stuff points to scum in the mid charisma tier if that makes sense.