White Flag - TM2020

[Dannflor]

than your posts yesterday*

I'm tired and should stop typing words

[CheekyTeeky]

My kill pool is:

[Esp, Dong, Hopkirk]

This is exactly my kill pool right now

I think Dong is low hanging fruit, his play has been sporadic but I have an idea why and its NAI.

Espy went through a lot of trouble yesterday to explain why I need to die regardless and I think thats a pretty easy position for scum to take on me because it ensures at least 1 mislynch.

Hoppy id have to go back and look at because other then the recent quoted post where he linked me to 2 people but didnt mention the people hard defending NSG as being suspect is a little uhh... spotty logic at best and shade trying to set up 3 mislynches in myself, Gob and Dunn.

How do you know Gob and Dunn are town to the point you call Espe out on trying to mislynch them?

[Formerfish]

I can't even understand why you're mad unless you're scum, I feel great about how

we

punished NSG's shitty play

I feel like you sat on me until it was clear I wasnt going down. Werent you defending NSG early, and most, of day 1?

I’m on phone so not gonna find it but literally I was like “fuck letting nsg lurk punish that”

You did, sorta, but then you didnt do shit about that threat until the wagon on me stalled, switched to you and then you voted NSG as a counter to your new wagon. I could see how since she was already taking heat before you and you switching to her would take most of the heat off yourself. Especially after you back burnered her for about 1400 posts.

[Formerfish]

How do you know Gob and Dunn are town to the point you call Espe out on trying to mislynch them?

The same way that anyone with a town read calls a lynch on that townread a mislynch.

I am tring both of those slots from day 1 play and nothing ive read so far today has changed that read.

[Formerfish]

Thats 1000 posts ago, you still feel the same about everyone?

I've shifted you up and shifted BB molla up and made a few other adjustments but that's not the point.

The point is your attacking me for not taking stances when that's demonstrably not true?

Bro, i forgot about a post from a while ago. You know how much I smoke and I get it youre a little pissy that I didnt remember that and thats valid. If you want me to take Eddies advice, dont poke me more.

[Dannflor]

Thats 1000 posts ago, you still feel the same about everyone?

I've shifted you up and shifted BB molla up and made a few other adjustments but that's not the point.

The point is your attacking me for not taking stances when that's demonstrably not true?

Bro, i forgot about a post from a while ago. You know how much I smoke and I get it youre a little pissy that I didnt remember that and thats valid. If you want me to take Eddies advice, dont poke me more.

Yeah I was frustrated because I felt like you were conf biasing and not looking at my slot objectively

I apologize for being rather whiny last page

[Formerfish]

Dunn and Cheeky*

Sorry, Dong had just voted Cheeky and I thought you were referencing that.

[Formerfish]

What have I been wrong about so far that I need to prove to you how towny I am?

Eddie thinks you are pretty strong town.

I have you close to that as well.

I think you have bad tunnel on me at the moment but I am not scum reading you.

Is it really a tunnel though if im opening readin other slots and not even voting you right now? Like I think at some point you are more worried about your perception to me than anything else.

[Formerfish]

My lynch pool today in Dong/Espy/BB

[BBmolla]

Are you for real

[Dannflor]

It does feel like a tunnel if you're misrepresenting me / framing my slot in a way that I don't really think matches up with my play this game

that's specifically what I was frustrated about and why I wanted to engage you because I was town reading you after the nsg flip

[Dannflor]

Like I think at some point you are more worried about your perception to me than anything else.

regarding this

part of both mine and eddie's (and Ank tbh, although she's had no say in this) play style as town is forcing town cohesion, which is why for example we were telling Cheeky and Dunn to stop arguing. I'm relatively confident it's TvT and it just clogs the thread, helping scum win con. If a town read of mine is wrong on me, I'm gonna try to engage with them on it. In particular, eddie wanted to address you specifically because you said I was scummier than Esp, and eddie strongly believes Esp has been open wolfing and is far and away the scummiest slot in the game.

I wanted to address you specifically because I thought your read on me was very off for reasons I've already explained

Also if you swap BB to Hop you have our exact lynch pool. nice.

I would suggest voting Esp but I think that's already been made clear so take your time getting back into the game.

[CheekyTeeky]

I agree that Dong is scummy but that hammer makes me hesitant.

Why is that the thing that you get held up on with Dong? A scum buddy wouldnt hammer when deadline was looming?

If you take into account Dong's wagon switches and posts before the hammer I think it makes it a little foggier than you're making it out to be.

[CheekyTeeky]

That doesn't follow.

NSG was likely dying anyway. If you're in "weak standing" you still bus for whatever town cred you can muster. I don't think a "weaker standing" team takes the stance of never bussing. Both Eddie and Tom are currently losing their minds in the chat about this logic and how little sense this makes. It's literally just Espeonage trying to justify killing towny people because they're better lynches for him. Tom is surprised he's not dead yet.

The logic makes sense following the assumption that the bus was orchestrated pre-game. RC was very likely to have nsg map out the skill levels of her buddies before everyone agreed with the strat of lurking until nsg was bussed. RC would not have had nsg bussed if her partners were too weak to carry the game. Unfortunately gobbles is a newer player with a strong town game and Dong is scummy in general so neither of those work with the strat likely in play here. I'm not saying that makes these players locktown just that they're less likely than say Hop/Ceph/FF.

[CheekyTeeky]

yes

painstakingly paraphrased

I feel your pain.

[CheekyTeeky]

yes

painstakingly paraphrased

Can you point to a post of your own where you show half as much conviction in anything youre saying?

That post reads like your TM mates realized that youre a sinking ship that needs its ballast adjusted quickly and the best way they figured to do that was to let one of them try to rehab your slot by putting out a reads list. This way they could workshop it in the tm pt and scum pt over night and would look like you finally sacked up and picked sides on people instead of going where the wind blows.

The post feels more fabricated than softener.

I think that's your towniest post all game. Xx.

[Dannflor]

hmmm

I have not really considered the bus being orchestrated pre-game

Kind of unsure that it reads like a planned thing?

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't think RC ever lets nsg just wing this game as scum tbh.

[CheekyTeeky]

Like it's a mistake to think nsg's play here isn't intentional, that team will be one of the most competitive here.

[CheekyTeeky]

So the question is: who ate all the towncred?

[Auro]

Or, on the other hand, they wrote off the game due to inexperienced/easy-to-catch scum players and decided NSG could help in towngames instead.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't see that as a possibility as I don't believe they'd be such bad sports, it's extremely unlikely they wrote this game off unless they were losing all their games and are bad people. I'd like to thing noone would be like "oh my scumteam sucks I'm not even going to try" in team mafia.

I think everyone knew there was going to be a bus it was just a matter of when.

[CheekyTeeky]

Pops had a scumgame with RC where he decided pregame who he was going to take to endgame and bus based on skillset as scum. This idea is grounded in meta as well as logic.

[Dannflor]

RC’s attitude leading up to the event lead me to believe he would not be try-harding to the extent of micromanaging all his team’s games. I feel like the flips in other games support that.

Regardless, I don’t really believe it’s all that likely I’m wrong on two of my town reads.

[Formerfish]

Are you for real

About which part? Probably?