Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[KidAmn]

Well slap my ass and call me daddy

If you think I'm reading anything in the 23 pages before this you can eat ass

[KidAmn]

VOTE: KidAmn

Eat my jorts

[KidAmn]

I'm voting for the only person I know is town. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

[KidAmn]

Also I'd like to throw in my hat for the governor ballot.

I have past experience..... governing

When?

Someone called them daddy once

[KidAmn]

Eat my jorts

Well slap my ass and call me daddy

If you think I'm reading anything in the 23 pages before this you can eat ass

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

[KidAmn]

Scum

Rautherdir - Do you see what I see?
RCEnigma - Seriously though, I'm done giving reasons for now.

Having just been scum with Rauth (and saved his ass with a gambit from the dead thread of all places)... not really?

[KidAmn]

Ok u boomers need to stop

Sounds like something a boomer would say

[KidAmn]

I thought I'd clicked into the politics thread

Wake me up when we're done with pre-game so we can start D1

[KidAmn]

My country has a president that is going to make it great again!

Don’t worry, he’ll make it great again eventually!

He just needs 4 more years!
I’m sure it’ll be great by then!

Yeah well my country has a prime minister who withdrew his own withdrawal bill then accused the opposition of blocking it

[KidAmn]

Im loving the MJF avatar KidAmn, should I ditch Carl for this game and get me an AEW avatar as well??

You can, but I'm still better than you.

[KidAmn]

I highly debated changing my avatar to Cody, but I effectively fit the persona as is.

The Only Leaf That Brings The Beef

Your posting does frequently make me say UHHHHH

Guys, I’m 3rd party. I win the game and leave if I’m voted Governor.

Otherwise, I have to survive to the end.

That won't be a problem

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[KidAmn]

Whats your favourite cheese deb?

I'm a sucker for a sharp cheddar, like manchego a lot, and then there is another I've had but can't remember what it was. It has little enzyme crystals that give a little crunch to the cheese but it's magical

That's meth bro

[KidAmn]

Whos gov

This moron is probably town or he’d have asked this in his scum PT.

Or you're scum with him and coaching him to ask questions like this in your scum PT next time

[KidAmn]

Vote: Rautherdir

Soul read.

[KidAmn]

Scum

Rautherdir - Do you see what I see?
RCEnigma - Seriously though, I'm done giving reasons for now.

Having just been scum with Rauth (and saved his ass with a gambit from the dead thread of all places)... not really?

Vote: Rautherdir

Soul read.

Care to point out what changed?

about 1523 things

[KidAmn]

Everyone got tired of a 150 page pre-game + D1 already

That's what happened

[KidAmn]

Lie detector can only really work on scum this game. Town can only reliably claim information about their own role. Scum would know other people's roles, but only if they're fellow scum or not. Since there's a cult then scum can't say whether or not a non-fellow is town or not. So...

How about everyone claims a list of 9 other slots that they know they are not aligned with. This is meant for scum, after scum flips the lie detector can test that post to either get 9 confirmed not scum or a pool of 9 players that definitely have scum in them. It does not help catch cult, since lie detector only tests the truth of the statement when it was made.

I guess I'll go ahead and start.
I know that none of these slots are aligned with me:
01 Pine
07 Korina
15 Bingle
21 Dr Easy Bake
24 davesaz
28 Hectic
35 Creature
37 Flavor Leaf
38 KidAmn

p-edit
@Bingle: Yeah, realized that wasn't how it worked after posting.

A) this doesn't work how you think itndoes
B) thanks for scumclaiming if you know you're not aligned with me

VOTE: Vote:Rautherdir

Soul read was correct

[KidAmn]

Creature, that could and should have been one big post. Maybe like 3-4. What the fuck my dude.

Who am I kidding, I've soul read Rauth and that's my contribution to today, do what you want IDGAF

[KidAmn]

Ah, I forgot Kidman. I might want him dead. idk

Fuck man at this point I want me dead so I can get all the credit for being part of what will inevitably (thanks Creature) be the longest game ever on site without having to actually play it

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Rautherdir

This is still correct.

[KidAmn]

I just noted that I was cleared by a day cop. It's earlier on this page.

Where exactly was this?

[KidAmn]

unvote

Fair enough, for now. Not exactly outside the realm of possibility for it to be a gambit, or for that result to be changed later in the game, but fair enough for now.

[KidAmn]

As much as I hate to admit it, and I absolutely refuse to go into detail, unless Rauth was already cult and this is one big RCE/Rauth gambit, there is no way Rauth was culted last night. That may not hold true in the future though.

[KidAmn]

You see, I’m something of a mentalist

I've always said something very similar to that about you.

[KidAmn]

-vote count snipped-

WOW Both UT and Chen are voting me.
And their friend AmRun is voting for Virgo?
And the obv Town Inside Job is voting for Rauth.
The Vork wagon has Nero and Rauth voting.
Wow 3 Town Miss Lynch wagons in a row! Who would have thought!

VOTE: Rautherdir

Vote: TSE

Between a day-cop and me being able to confirm Rauth didn't go anywhere last night + reaction-checking him, you're just confirming you're not reading the game. I refuse to allow you to continue in it. If I could day-vig you I would be doing so right now.

[KidAmn]

Final Day 1 Vote Count

They surrounded her and, knowing the situation, she followed instinct and drew her sword.

"

You've all gone

mad

. I've saved this city! Just two moons ago, my people and I--

"

Something sticky latched onto her weapon and pulled it into the dark alley. She turned toward it, having never been without her trusty blade before, and went to call out to the perpetrator when she noticed it standing there just out of the light. The murmurs behind her didn't break her attention. This thing was no larger than anything else the hero had slain in previous adventures... or so she'd thought.

"

By Falayna...

"

She thought she was being fooled by some illusionist or worse, but the goo latching onto her chest as she spoke sure felt real. Then the hard tug lifted her like a paperweight. Everything went silent. The townsfolk looked on -- some in horror, some in glee -- for the next minute felt almost as long as a lifetime. Then her body was rolled out into the light, now wrapped in the same white horror that grabbed her and the weapon not long before. Nobody knew what to say, no, but they all had a similar thought.

What the hell was that?

Doctor Drew [EXECUTED] -

Flavor Leaf, Rautherdir, EspressoPatronum, chennisden, AaronFrost, Wooper, Gamma Emerald, Cephrir, Amrun, Untrod Tripod, zoraster, gobbledygook, Menalque, The Fonz

Vorkuta (9) -

Nero Cain, Miss Lynch, davesaz, Bingle, RCEnigma, Creature, Formerfish, BBmolla, Doctor Drew

Amrun -

Dongempire, Iconeum, Hectic

Creature -

Firebringer, Vorkuta

Untrod Tripod -

InsideJob711, TrueSoulEnergy

TrueSoulEnergy -

Chemist1422

Flavor Leaf -

Dr Easy Bake

Rautherdir -

KidAmn

Menalque -

Virgo the Immaculate

Miss Lynch -

Pine

Virgo the Immaculate -

Pink Ball

40 alive, 21 majority.

Doctor Drew was executed D1! They were

Thia:

Cobble-Aligned Modified Paranoid Gun Owner

It is now Night One.
Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-16 22:00:00)
If all night actions have been submitted, Day Two will begin sooner than this.

Yeah, your my scum read now.

I don't really want to do a vanity vote here, but all of TSE, Vork and Virgo/Titus seem like pretty dumb lynches to me.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Still scumming about.

My first instinct says your impression is wrong

Boy, almost came close to asserting something there.

“Almost came close to asserting something” are you blind to the fact I have been voting TSE for a non-policy reason that I’ve had since D1? Or that I took a stance on Vork vs Drew D1? Or that I had a distinct idea of what I felt about the three people who made solid effort to get the Governor? I think it’s a straight up misdirect to say I’ve been “not asserting” this game.

If GE is saying he was against voting drew and didn’t believe Drew was Mafia.
Then he’s probably scum.

It's a good thing Gamma didn't say that and you're bullshitting then.

I do not for a minute believe on either flavour or actions TSE is town. End of.

[KidAmn]

I'm 99% sure FL is gambiting. That 1% is a doozy though. Funnily enough I've played D&D with someone named Bobert. He was a dick.

[KidAmn]

Mod: V/LA until the 26th

[KidAmn]

You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn’t stop to think if you should.

[KidAmn]

Raus is on my town list, although, I do think that was a weird post to lie detect in hindsight.

I had begun to suspect both Inside and Zoraster, and considering how my role works it would be best to save it for confirming claims of that type. My post restriction isn't quite the same as gobbles, so I guess don't get from it any hype.
My power is technically unlimited, however each time it's used I have to pay a price, and I only know the next price I have to pay, although there's the general statement that the price will increase each time. I get the feeling it's going to culminate in using the power in exchange for dying though. Last night the price was a post restriction that once broken makes my power compulsive the following night. Once it's broken the post restriction doesn't come back, and I did get to choose the post restriction, which I decided would be including at least one rhyme in my posts. For some reason I thought that would be easy. I'm not sure if I should claim the next price though.

p-edit
Probably means Gobble's post restriction worked at least somewhat like mine, in the sense that once it's broken it (presumably) has an effect and then goes away.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the first price?

[KidAmn]

I fully expected TSE to die last night, having seen how... difficult to leash he was becoming, even before the mods put him in baby jail

again

. I've not been paying this game anything resembling the necessary attention though, just waiting for the wheat to be sorted from the chaff.

[KidAmn]

I'm personally aware of at least one night Flavor Leaf couldn't have been culted or doing the culting, FWIW. I believe there was a tracker result or something similar that can back that up.

[KidAmn]

I stand corrected, not necessarily a tracker, just someone who paid me a call, unless I missed something.

I was popular last night.

I visited BB and KidAmn, because someone gave me the ability to act twice. That ability should probably go to someone else in the future.

I got a nice shiny gift from someone who loves me very much. I can only regret to inform the sender that all marriage proposals should carry with them a copy of your most recent bank statement so that I can make an informed decision. I will be keeping the diamond though, because I am just Classi like that.

[KidAmn]

Let me know when the sheepy wagon is done so we can skip to the claim that you all ignore followed by the idiot hammering

[KidAmn]

I am Cobble-aligned and win with the town.

[KidAmn]

This is why I hate FL games
They're always all about FL regardless of alignment

[KidAmn]

ah but the cult in front of me is clearly poisoned

[KidAmn]

therefore I should drink the cult in front of you

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I don't like the WIFOM, I don't like the constant buddying up to me, and I don't like any of the alternative lynches any better. That's a three-for.

[KidAmn]

"Sacrificed to Orcus" sounds about as pro-Cobble as FL's gambit-posting.

[KidAmn]

Cults of Orcus often make sacrifices in which they pour the victim's blood over their idols of him as well as partaking themselves. Obviously flavour isn't the be-all and end-all, and there's a slim chance it's a cross-shot with the cult kill resolving first, but it seems appropriate flavourwise for either an SK or a Cult. Also, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong since I'm probably not 100% up to date with "the lore" as of 5th Ed/PF2E, but Orcus has lost and gained his godhood a fair few times... a Cult trying to bring about his Ascension again would be some entirely believable flavour.

Vote: Elements

[KidAmn]

If they thought it might earn them towncred or they could pass it off as benevolent 3P, sure.

PEdit: Fine, I suppose this can't go any worse than our last leashed geek

Unvote

Vote: Flavor Leaf

Still think this is correct too.

[KidAmn]

KidAmn tracked Flavor Leaf night 1 I believe.

Kidamn watched rauth night 1 and flavor night 2 I think.

These are both not strictly correct. It is, however, my turn to seek confirmation from the mod, in the event he is willing to give it. I will confirm that I visited these players on these nights, old bean.

I will also reiterate that I am Cobble aligned, and win with the town, in the event that our lie detector wants to take a stab at this post.

[KidAmn]

Hey Rauth, speaking of accurate notes: you got a result N1, right?

[KidAmn]

Hey Rauth, speaking of accurate notes: you got a result N1, right?

Yes, I just mentioned it earlier. It was on one of Bingle's posts.

But that's impossible Rauth.

[KidAmn]

Hey Rauth, speaking of accurate notes: you got a result N1, right?

Yes, I just mentioned it earlier. It was on one of Bingle's posts.

But that's impossible Rauth.

Devils deal in the impossible.

Devils have night actions that resolve through a jailkeeper?

Vote; Rautherdir

[KidAmn]

I call bullshit.

[KidAmn]

I call bullshit.

If I could be roleblocked, then the compulsive facet of my post restriction wouldn't make as much sense, especially if the roleblock is in town hands.

My power is technically unlimited, however each time it's used I have to pay a price, and I only know the next price I have to pay, although there's the general statement that the price will increase each time. I get the feeling it's going to culminate in using the power in exchange for dying though. Last night the price was a post restriction that once broken makes my power compulsive the following night. Once it's broken the post restriction doesn't come back, and I did get to choose the post restriction, which I decided would be including at least one rhyme in my posts. For some reason I thought that would be easy. I'm not sure if I should claim the next price though.

I don't see an incompatibility or a lack of sense here.

[KidAmn]

Kidamn you're claiming jk right? Rauth targeted night 1 and FL night 2?

Nobody has an opinion about Kid claiming rauth was JKed?

For a later date, this is about FL.

Correct. For people asking about reasoning, N1 I picked someone I know to be slippery from recent games, N2 I picked someone I don't trust at all.

[KidAmn]

The point o was making was insidejobs guilty claim was from n2 and if kid jked you n2 there's no result.

That's... not true? You guys are just making up what a jail keeper does?

Ceph is correct. My role prevents certain actions on the target, and prevents all actions taken by the target. Hence why I am now sus af about Rauth's N1 "result". It is definitely not a "normal" JK though.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Wooper

I’m the motivator, btw. Jingle/BB/BB so far. Suggestions who to motivate next?

S'up.

[KidAmn]

Quick post because I need to get ready for work
I jailed Elements last night
The mod replied to my PM with a warning, paraphrased as "are you SURE you want to do that"
There was no Orcus kill so... Ya dig?
Elements should not be allowed to go another night and I may be compromised in some way that I'm not aware of yet

Vote: Elements

[KidAmn]

Miss Lynch could be cult leader back up
I still think there's a non-zero chance cult is "The Ascension of Orcus" and has a kill to balance out the fact this is a gd 40 player game
No idea if I'm town confirmed or not but given the warning I got for just targeting Elements I'm of a mind that I should probably be added to the "don't go to endgame" list just in case

[KidAmn]

Miss Lynch could be cult leader back up
I still think there's a non-zero chance cult is "The Ascension of Orcus" and has a kill to balance out the fact this is a gd 40 player game
No idea if I'm town confirmed or not but given the warning I got for just targeting Elements I'm of a mind that I should probably be added to the "don't go to endgame" list just in case

YES!

YES!


BRILLIANT DEDUCTION DEAR WATSON!

THE CULT LEADER OUTED THEMSELVES IN AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE A SERIAL KILLER THAT THEY COULD NOT RECRUIT AND WANTED DEAD!

THIS IS EXCELLENT PROCESS FROM YOU AND WHY I WILL ALWAYS KNOW YOU AS THE BEST ASSISTANT TO THE GREAT SHERLOCK HOLMES!

This is so hilariously aggressively missing the point or misrep-ing that I don't actually know how to engage it

So congrats I guess.

[KidAmn]

Also, re: KidAmn's weird "mod confirm" thing? No. Just no.
I replied "is that your final answer?" to more than you last Night.
It had nothing to do with your night target. That'd be me overreaching and I won't have that dialogue continue because it straight up didn't go down like that.

Well for-fuckin'-give me for being surprised at receiving a request to confirm my action when it has never happened before

If you don't want people to read into that shit, don't do it

[KidAmn]

vote: Iconeum

I'll be keeping Elements locked up until either he dies, I die, or the town decides they've had enough of this bullshit

I'll be back to this when I'm feeling less sour over some bullshit

[KidAmn]

UNVOTE:
Still happy with an ico lynch, but let's not rush the day. We still need to decide as a town how we're handling our outed SK pair.

@Elements/Miss Lynch - from what I've seen of Elements flavour claim, ML "summoned" Elements, and he's killing people for Orcus. Once you've reached your quota - what then? Does it just untether Elements and ML and you continue as regular SK/backup, or is there another effect? Because if some bad voodoo shit happens once you reach X kills then that's not happening and we might as well lynch you now, because we can't guarantee keeping you on a leash or jailed forever, but if its just an altwincon for ML or whatever that's compatible with us Cobble folks, then maybe we can work on that.

[KidAmn]

^ I don't like the smell of that.

[KidAmn]

Well, you can take pisskop off that list, 8722 reported true. My next price is becoming macho.

VOTE: Iconeum
I'm fine with this dying.

Why did you choose 8722?

Pisskop is asking ML to repeat that phrase, not saying it about himself. It could probably come back as true even if he's scum.

That's a hell of a catch. Depending on the interpretation, asking someone to repeat that means... well, it means there's no lie in there. Which would make an awful lot of sense to use if you're someone with a vested interest in reporting false innocence of certain other parties.

[KidAmn]

I'm a faithhealer and I am a wonderful cornerstone of this town, protecting all the people who wanted my helps

https://tddc.fandom.com/wiki/Father_Fields

*press X to doubt*

[KidAmn]

Also if Elements is a Nexus, how come I could prevent his kill with jailkeeping?

[KidAmn]

Also if Elements is a Nexus, how come I could prevent his kill with jailkeeping?

This wasn't a rhetorical question, Elements.

[KidAmn]

Rest of the town you cool with commiting to cult leader hunting for this day and probably the next, yes or no?

Can't say I am tbh.

[KidAmn]

Well if he ain't getting lynched, I'm jailkeeping him, and we'll see how Nexus-y he really is.

[KidAmn]

Confirmed I jailed Elements, so either he holstered or the Nexus claim is BS and he was hoping I'd take it and he'd be free to knock me off.

[KidAmn]

Confirmed I jailed Elements, so either he holstered or the Nexus claim is BS and he was hoping I'd take it and he'd be free to knock me off.

You were just redirected to my kill target. It's simple.

"A Nexus is a player that passively redirects players who target it to a random other player. Kills cannot be redirected in this way, so as to prevent the Nexus from being unkillable." https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Nexus_(Role)

Stop wriggling dude. You're already in the boat.

[KidAmn]

I find it very hard to believe that on both nights I blocked Elements I was either redirected to someone that had no tangible effect on the game state at all, or I was redirected to Elements' target, or that Elements holstered twice in a row, the first time of which he was (AFAIK) unaware I would be blocking him. Especially given that his and ML's claimed wincon is to meet a certain number of kills.

[KidAmn]

4002 is true. My next price is dying if I cast a hammering vote on someone.

I'd be fine with davesaz or chennis being lynched today.

Why pick such an old post, out of interest? Does your power check if the post was true at the time it was made, or when you submit the action?

PE: Also... yeah, that.

[KidAmn]

4002 is true. My next price is dying if I cast a hammering vote on someone.

I'd be fine with davesaz or chennis being lynched today.

Why pick such an old post, out of interest? Does your power check if the post was true at the time it was made, or when you submit the action?

PE: Also... yeah, that.

When it was made. And an older post because that's what I had available?

So you picked the older and worse to use of 2 posts, that doesn't confirm anything because several nights have passed since, because...?

Starting to feel like there's a non-zero possibility Rauth is compromised, especially given them claiming to have a result on a night I jailkept them. (In case anyone forgot that)

[KidAmn]

At this point I just want Elements and Miss Lynch removed from the equation so I don't have to keep blocking Elements while he comes up with increasingly improbable reasons why he hasn't just killed me to stop him having to worry about these improbable "nexus redirects" stopping him, or whatever the fuck the story will be tomorrow. I still maintain there's a non-zero chance our cult is Ascension of Orcus given how many times in the lore that fucker has ascended, descended, and generally shimmied side to side.

[KidAmn]

At this point I just want Elements and Miss Lynch removed from the equation so I don't have to keep blocking Elements while he comes up with increasingly improbable reasons why he hasn't just killed me to stop him having to worry about these improbable "nexus redirects" stopping him, or whatever the fuck the story will be tomorrow. I still maintain there's a non-zero chance our cult is Ascension of Orcus given how many times in the lore that fucker has ascended, descended, and generally shimmied side to side.

I think you should be trying to RB scum or the cult leader.

And I moved my blocks around to try and do so until I hit on Elements and saw the lack of an Orcus kill. Until Elements is resolved in one fashion or another I'm not gonna commit virtual sudoku by leaving him unleashed and unblocked.

[KidAmn]

0. Rauth can't be the CL. Rauth has an unCC'd jailed claim on N1. The night flavour supports this claim.

i wouldn't say can't. maybe recruiting is unblockable or some shit.

Well, everyone seems to be unblockable according to claims so v0v

[KidAmn]

Since it seems prudent to restate it as one of the people Rauth hasn't claimed to have investigated:

I am Cobble-aligned. I am not aligned with the cult or any anti-Cobble faction. I share the Cobble wincon. My targets were as follows:
N1: Rautherdir, who has claimed not to be blocked this night.
N2: Flavor Leaf, now dead.
N3: Zoraster, now dead.
N4: Elements, claimed Nexus SK aligned with Miss Lynch.
N5: Elements

If Rauth uses any post other than this to lie detect me tonight, if he does so, it is tantamount to a scum/cultclaim. There is no reason to use any other post.

PEdit: If A50 refuses to claim just get it over with.

[KidAmn]

super uncomfortable about this but w/e

[KidAmn]

Lmao did I really deadass get prodded on Christmas? Pfft

[KidAmn]

I'm not opposed to anyone in PB's list, but I'd want DEB on it for sure. I'd also like it if certain people stopped assuming prior clears = current clears in a GD cult game.

[KidAmn]

Yeah, anyone suggesting I be motivated is a dummy, because if I ever get flipped I make life real fuckin' hard for town at night.

I have indeed already made one post to that effect, but I will restate it. I am Cobble aligned.

[KidAmn]

Is it possible that rauth is like, not sane?

Something is fucky with Rauth, I don't know about questions of sanity. They claimed a result N1 through my JK, for starters.

[KidAmn]

I jailed Pine.

[KidAmn]

The bulky axe-wielding brute is definitely me, looking at my flavour (not familiar with the character but I don't watch any of these YouTube D&D group things). Not sure if the bar being shut means Pine is the owner though.

[KidAmn]

We have a guilty on Pine from KidAmn's JK.

While likely, this isn't certain. I could have just as easily blocked a knife meant for him as stopped him pulling one on another.

[KidAmn]

4 cult but yes we still don't have voting power. Which is why I asked ml and elements to clarify on their wincon. Or at least the leaving game part.

"We" don't have voting power, eh?

[KidAmn]

That feels distinctly not in the spirit of the game to me, but I also don't think Rauth is the type to do something like this if they thought scum had any hope of winning.

Also, I fucking called it after that N1 result motherfucker.

[KidAmn]

Unless Pine is scum or the scums kill target, they're presumably not CL but could still be CL. Need to get off work and in front of the PC to go back and work out a pool. Don't take it personally but I'm leery at this point of taking a pool from anyone else given the number of cult and the number of inactives lying around

[KidAmn]

*could still be a cult convert

[KidAmn]

Fucking why?

I had a 2-man pool for last night, you went out of your way to promise a no-target for your motivate. There was, interestingly, also only one kill, against scum, which was explicitly flavoured to be from someone who had been fighting an axe-wielding brute for 2 days - matching with the 2 days I had been jailing Elements and my flavour. We have good reason to believe you're not CL now, which narrows down that PoE, but you're not cleared for being cult/groupscum. As for why I picked you - your ISO pinged me with this:

Okay, looking at said UVC, I immediately don't like the wagoneers on TSE. I don't know what TSE's deal is, but my top "trust in a vacuum" people on it are Cephrir, GE, and Wooper (no offense the others on the list), the latter of whom is the next biggest wagon. Let's look there. Nnnnnope, not convincing. I trust FF, and the fact that she doesn't have a wagon at all on her is encouraging. She tends to be either obvtown or obvscum, and pretty canny when Town. That said, four votes for Wooper!Duck isn't damning. Scrolling the rest of the way down the list, I don't see any consensus forming from the people I trust the most.

Which I interpreted as a possible soft defence on a recruit of yours given how TSE flipped.

[KidAmn]

Every time I read UT's posts I just can't help getting the feeling that the lady doth protest too much

[KidAmn]

So... you're scum?

[KidAmn]

VOTE: DEB
Our leashed murderers should probably work out who in the "not confirmed to not be cult" pool they're dealing with before we hammer out so I know who I should go after. If nothing else we want to at least cull the cult's numbers (which potentially also gives us associatives to find the CL) and go from there.

[KidAmn]

UNVOTE:

Purely to keep us away from L-1 for now since Rauth is a hammerer of some sort apparently. The above discussion needs to happen before we progress or we're just going to be working at cross purposes here.

[KidAmn]

Elements kill Raur tonight. He’s confirmed mafia. Raur kill who you think is most likely cL/cult or don’t since you’re scum. Others read bingles post and follow it if you think he’s town

Counterpoint: Rau is claimed scum who almost certainly won't work with town if he knows we're just going to kill him tonight anyway. He could gun for the town just for a "from Hell's heart I stab at thee" moment. Why not go for 2 kills in the potential cultist pool instead (if we're wrong about DEB or the recruit ability cascades down to another cultist)? We gave Elements a night of freedom and he did as he said - admittedly he and ML can purportedly win with town or at least not stop town winning, but still.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: UT

Ok

Do you think that DEB is town?

No, but I think UT is a far more likely Cult Leader. I’ve played a few games with him this year, and this strikingly reminds me of his scumplay, right from the start.

Would you settle for us lynching DEB and having UT as a kill target for Ele or Rauth? Scumplay and Cultplay can definitely look different, IMO. Also worth bearing in mind IIRC Pine isn't cleared of being cultrecruit or maybe last groupscum with Rauth, especially given that my JK likely either blocked a kill or stopped an attempt from scum to make a kill (which given the escalating cult numbers would presumably have been aimed at cult)

[KidAmn]

VOTE: UT

Ok

Do you think that DEB is town?

No, but I think UT is a far more likely Cult Leader. I’ve played a few games with him this year, and this strikingly reminds me of his scumplay, right from the start.

Would you settle for us lynching DEB and having UT as a kill target for Ele or Rauth? Scumplay and Cultplay can definitely look different, IMO. Also worth bearing in mind IIRC Pine isn't cleared of being cultrecruit or maybe last groupscum with Rauth, especially given that my JK likely either blocked a kill or stopped an attempt from scum to make a kill (which given the escalating cult numbers would presumably have been aimed at cult)

[KidAmn]

(Feel free to clear up that accidental double post for neatness if you want, chk.)

[KidAmn]

It’s different because Raur is not the last scum whereas we know what we’re dealing with in Elements and ML.

Understandable. I think we're unfortunately in a position where we have to maybe make a deal with the devil we know before we start being consumed by the one we don't.

[KidAmn]

Unless Pine is scum or the scums kill target, they're presumably not CL but could still be CL.

I'm sorry, but I just woke up and I'm having a hard time parsing this phrase. Unless X is true, then Y is also not true. Doesn't that mean if X is true then Y could be true? In other words, if Pine is Scum he is .. what? Likely to be the CL??

Yeah, I know it's silly, but I don't see what one has to do with the other. You say you Jailed Pine, and the cult still gained a member, so he's not the CL. Wouldn't that make more sense?

I mistyped. Literally the next post I corrected myself to "could still be cultrecruit". Are you actually even reading the game?

[KidAmn]

Bingle yeeting himself into the convo to shade everyone and anyone possible is sus af, agree likely not Leader but probably a recruit with the fewest associatives that might lead us to the rest of them.

[KidAmn]

The message was random and don't expect it to reveal anything. Need kid to reveal if he was motivated or not.

I was not motivated.

[KidAmn]

Who did you jail, KA?

No idea. I was away with family and didn't submit an action, so it was randomised I assume.

[KidAmn]

The dwarf is me, but I didn't know i owned an axe.

From other flavor and from what BB flavor copped kid, it is kid I think. His flavor bame came back grog strongjaw

I'm not a dwarf. I'm about as far from a dwarf as you can get, in fact.

[KidAmn]

Where is the logic that cult has a kill because it’s not grounded in reality

The Orcus kill is Elements. We've been through this and known this for several days. Come on dude.

[KidAmn]

I'm an unrecruitable IC. Not that it matters now.

...two ICs?

[KidAmn]

Well, I can clear up chk's vagueness. I got Pine.

[KidAmn]

I want to know who stopped me from killing A50

If you're a dwarf with a warhammer, then it was the Bugbear who stopped you. We're still unsure who that is though.

I can't believe I'm restating this

again

but we literally know who Elements is. He's the "sacrifice to Orcus" flavoured killer and is a "behemoth in black" and "heavily-armored brute" with a dark sword.

[KidAmn]

Pretty sure Bingle bullshitting, because he was one of my 2 targets to jail last night after I recieved Pine's motivate.

And, for the record, my role stops the target from being night killed *and* from going out on the night I use it on them.

[KidAmn]

Hey Elements, who'd you try and shoot last night?

[KidAmn]

Intent to hammer once I'm home from work and we have a set plan similar to last night's.

[KidAmn]

I'm not opposed to letting Elements shoot Gobble just so we don't have to deal with him (presumably) literally throwing the game for what's left of cult until he either gets tired of it or gets lynched

[KidAmn]

Vote: Bingle

Job done

[KidAmn]

Well that's fucking interesting, because I followed the plan. So either someone RB'd me, or someone has a strongman of some sort.

[KidAmn]

I'm p. Much down with going A50 - > Gobble - > ML and Ele if they don't disappear tbh

[KidAmn]

The bugbear was not motivated because I carried out both JKs and we know my flavour name.
Not that anyone should be listening to known cult wriggling anyway.

[KidAmn]

Vote: Almost50.

[KidAmn]

I submitted my night actions as outlined in the last plan post by EP. Someone smarter and less at work than me for the next 5 hours work this shit out.

[KidAmn]

Vote: Gobble

[KidAmn]

Pfft, if you're gonna suicide your way out of MS at least do it with style.

[KidAmn]

Vote: No Lynch

[KidAmn]

Assuming mine isn't one of the co-opted votes, perfectly happy to sit on this and make sure we have both ML and Elements blocked until we get a vig.

[KidAmn]

Vote: Miss Lynch

[KidAmn]

My only complaints (which I've brought up with chk privately) was getting an "are you sure you wanna do that" PM in response to an ability choice one night when nothing similar had happened previously, and the weirdness with hyperposting (not that I really did anything except follow The Way)

Otherwise fun game. Grog smash.

[KidAmn]

Also generally so little toxicity in this game for what kind of game it was. Especially after TSE died. Very nice

It's almost as if we systematically lynched away the toxicity

But... I lived to endgame.

[KidAmn]

I blame me. Worst jailer EU.