Mini Theme 2112: Skyrim Mod Upick Town Win

[Zenith]

I believe you have said you consider your Neighborhood a Masonry; however, alimidia did not get that sense (and in fact stated the opposite). I would like to understand why there is a discrepancy there.

alim thinks theres scum in the hood because she thinks that something eve said was a slip that she was scum, with someone in the hood. i find it fairly ridiculous, and dont think its likely eve was aware of the hood before it was outed.

why i think the hood is all town

:
the thief stone closes PTs.
obviously this means scum cant talk, which is very damaging to scum.
so there has to be a trade off for this.
if there is scum in the hood, there you are fucking scum twice. that makes very little setup design sense.
if the hood is all town, the the counter balance to depriving scum of chat is also depriving town of their soft masonry.
ideal counter balance, setup wise.
i'm quite confident in this setup read.

Agree.

Disagree.

I DO NOT like the idea that all 3 in the NH should be considered Town.

It's not logical and it's not safe.

Agree.

I DO NOT like the idea that all 3 in the NH should be considered Town.

It's not logical and it's not safe.

I agree with this statement. I currently am most suspect of Xtoxm.

Why do you suspect xtoxm?

Bla how could you think the hood was all town while not actually knowing who those hood members you were reffering to actually were?

That post I quoted.
Neighbourhood members are more likely to be town than other people.
Xtoxm's slot post give absolute 0 progress to the game. These two tendencies clashes each other.

False. Neighborhood members are

not

more likely to be town,

nor

are they more likely to be scum. Being in neighborhood isn't AI..

[Sujimichi]

I DO NOT like the idea that all 3 in the NH should be considered Town.

It's not logical and it's not safe.

I agree with this statement. I currently am most suspect of Xtoxm.

How come?

I already was suspect of Aeronaut for his end of Day 1 posting surrounding TiphaineDeath's lynch. His posts of substance did not start until after the lynch already occurred, and I find it odd he posted his stance on everyone and then started reviewing and posting about individual posts from players. I dislike Xtoxm posting a read list of all of the players and then after I called him out for not actually reading he admits to skimming and not reading thoroughly; however, he has a hard stance that the Neighborhood is all Town which, despite me providing points in refutation, he still holds to because it is a "neat design."

[Zenith]

VOTE: mastina

Yeah we should just lynch the lurker. I don’t think scum BS claims the role he did

BS is the kind of player who joke claims scum and scum slips. What do you think scum BS wouldn't do? And why do you think that?

oh right no wonder the neighbourhood's been so silent lately i thought they were just ignoring me

?
You probably have an inactive neighbour, I can use my scum PR without problems.

scum PT*

mason PT*

Well.
We even decided on our night target.

BS might be scum

I second.

Never a good idea to claim scum, but lately it seems like there's one every season..

Last time it was done by town, but still kinda makes me want to start policy lynching such behavior. =p

I didn't claim scum.
It was a genuine slip.

VOTE: mafia goon

In Forest fire he used the game thread as the link provided when someone requested "one of his scumgames".

I hadn't any other scum game to refer to.

Hi I'm scum.

I didn't do anything which would help the town for the whole game.
Why are you giving me a free pass?
(Not complaining, just curious)

How did I manage to sneak into town core?

There is no way how I can softclaim and not leave myself place for huge variety of fakeclaims. I am a very untraditional role with many abilities. My role may be weak or very strong. I don't know. The abilities are very situational. Claiming might hurt town and I have to claim whole role. Should I claim?

If Warrior stone is on, I can change one of this:

-Killing actions cannot be roleblocked- False
-Kill-immune roles (eg bulletproof) are enabled- True
-The factional nightkill has unique kill flavour- False
-Players associated with the Warrior stone can place hammer votes- True
-Players associated with the Thief stone can place hammer votes- True
-Players associated with the Mage stone can place hammer votes- True


I would love to turn on the flavours before dieing.

[Sujimichi]

If yes, then
VOTE: Mastina

I am fine with this vote as well. In addition to GuyInFreezer providing nothing of value this game, mastina has also provided almost nothing prior to her leave of absence, and I am now aware of how much she detests playing as Mafia. That said, if mastina is Mafia, she likely has laid out a detailed plan for her remaining partner.

[gobbledygook]

I DO NOT like the idea that all 3 in the NH should be considered Town.

It's not logical and it's not safe.

I agree with this statement. I currently am most suspect of Xtoxm.

How come?

I already was suspect of Aeronaut for his end of Day 1 posting surrounding TiphaineDeath's lynch. His posts of substance did not start until after the lynch already occurred, and I find it odd he posted his stance on everyone and then started reviewing and posting about individual posts from players. I dislike Xtoxm posting a read list of all of the players and then after I called him out for not actually reading he admits to skimming and not reading thoroughly; however, he has a hard stance that the Neighborhood is all Town which, despite me providing points in refutation, he still holds to because it is a "neat design."

Hmm. Those are really good points. I would flash wagon Xtoxm too. I just don’t like how the Mastina slot has done literally nothing this game and people give it a pass because ???

[gobbledygook]

False. Neighborhood members are not more likely to be town, nor are they more likely to be scum. Being in neighborhood isn't AI..

I don’t think you could make this type of absolute statement. For instance, if a mafia member in the neighborhood flipped, would you still say the remaining members’ status as neighbors is NAI?

[alimdia]

@fishy boy
if you want me to accept your claim i need a clear timeline of when its going to happen
expecting us to wait until d3 in a mini for an ic is already taking the biscuit, and from what ive it doesnt sound certain to even happen tomorrow
so..how many phases of a free pass am i expected to give you?

looks like d4 if I don't die tonight

[alimdia]

which is still quite long ye

[alimdia]

so BS didn't know who was in the hood but said they were town?

[alimdia]

I think that scums are in this:
Mastina
Wake88
Xtoxm

if not, then in this:
alimdia
Sujimichi

*Who is in the neighbourhood?

???

[alimdia]

stay on this wagon lol.
Compromise lurker deadline lynches have a small % chance to get scum

[Blatant Scum]

It isn't compromise. There shouldn't be two scum in neigborhood. So if the scum is between
Mastina
Wake88
Xtoxm

Mastina is totally scum.

[Zenith]

False. Neighborhood members are not more likely to be town, nor are they more likely to be scum. Being in neighborhood isn't AI..

I don’t think you could make this type of absolute statement. For instance, if a mafia member in the neighborhood flipped, would you still say the remaining members’ status as neighbors is NAI?

Yes I would.

It seems unwise to consider being in a neighborhood as AI, unless and until you can show a good reason to assume it is AI, which I've not yet seen.

[Zenith]

It isn't compromise. There shouldn't be two scum in neigborhood. So if the scum is between
Mastina
Wake88
Xtoxm

Mastina is totally scum.

Where is the rule saying there can't be 2 or more scum in a neighborhood? I don't understand why ppl keep making these assumptions about a seemingly random grouping of 3 players..

[Eve]

you guys should stop trying to solve based on outguessing and predicting how many scum the mod would put into a neighbourhood - just read the players normally...

i'd also like to hear more from Mastina - you said you'd start contributing if we wagoned you so here you go

VOTE: Mastina

[mastina]

Xtoxm replaces Aeronaut!

Now we just need to somehow con kuribo into joining us here.

Are you going to contribute anything of substance to this game?

Hard to say. It's kinda a bit demotivating to have no powers in a role madness game--like I said, I understand exactly why GIF flaked out of this game. It's incredibly hard to get motivated because I've got nothing to look forward to, nothing to engage on, and am not really getting much in the way of thoughts.

I gave this before:

(I am basically at the spot of trusting Zenith's claim to be town and having minor gut townreads on alimdia and Formerfish but uh. There's nine players I have to read and I've got townreads on only three of them which is less than half the amount I need and even those reads amount to just looking at their posts and thinking "yeah I think that's probably town".)

Oh I guess Eve is also a maybe in townreads but it'd be of an even lower tier.
I feel like I can maybe maybe maybe if I am more awake get a read on Suji, but I don't have one yet.

So that'd be:
Zenith

Dongfish
alimidia

Eve?

{Blatant Scum, Wake, Aeronaut, Turkey} | {Suji}.
(Suji separate as like the others, no read, but unlike the others, probably can get a read, just...need to be more awake to properly process and create it.)

This is mostly unchanged, aside from me being able to mention that you said that your game in Jingle's micro was your first scumgame, which indicates you being town here, but there's the matter of whether you had the intelligence to fake that + needing to compare your play there to here and crossreference it to Gamma's game. Initial thoughts, I probably trust you there and think that this is probably town, but it's not definite town, so that's like:

Zenith

Dongfish
alimidia
Sujimichi

Eve

With last scum in {Blatant Scum, Wake, Aeronaut/Xtoxm, Turkey}.
Xtoxm's a lazy townread--not a real townread but a "eh, I'll let him be town for now" read out of laziness.
Which leaves 2/3 scum in {Blatant Scum, Wake, Turkey}. None of which I am townreading and none of which I am scumreading.

It's a bit survivalistic, but:
VOTE: Blatant Scum.
Leading wagon other than me + in the POE of three players most likely to contain scum.

[mastina]

Also, Blatant Scum's role is the type of role which seems strong enough to be a scum role to counterbalance the strength of Zenith's role being town.

[gobbledygook]

Why am I scum

[Blatant Scum]

Sigh. Fine.
I am one-shot bulletproof killmove settings unjester.
I have all the powers I mentioned above, and I am protected against single night killing action.
My wincon is to get killed at night. I lose when I get lynched.

I will play with town till two days before LyLo. Then I will vote No Lynch and let scum kill me. If they don't kill me, I will help town.

[Blatant Scum]

And I will use my abilities as town wants, else you will probably just lynch me.

[alimdia]

It isn't compromise. There shouldn't be two scum in neigborhood. So if the scum is between
Mastina
Wake88
Xtoxm

Mastina is totally scum.

Why is scum between those 3

Also that claim just makes me wanna vote you out more

[Xtoxm]

VOTE: blatant scum

[Blatant Scum]

L-1

[Blatant Scum]

Zenith -town (claim)
Eve -town (towny tone, coherent with her other town games I played with her)
Dongfish -town (that claim would be a suicide for scum)
Blatant Scum (not a good idea to lynch this)
gobbledygook -town (tone, plus that softclaim of mage stone)

alimdia - townlean (solvy)
Sujimichi -townlean (solvy)

Wake88
Xtoxm
Mastina

PoE.

[Xtoxm]

consider not scumclaiming in future.