BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[Weiss Schnee]

I don't know if comparing my play here to jazz is a compliment to my scumplay there or a burn on my play here

[Weiss Schnee]

So that was an interesting catchup.

Joan sounds like someone who was told to claim doc on Titus to explain Titus's result and cement its effects, but not coached on what to say when questioned on that.

This is mostly going from memory. It is explicitly not an alignment list, and not in order within the categories.

Actively trying to solve

50 Judge Powers
Haggle
Venus and Mars
Titus
chkflip
davesaz
Doctor Drew
Chara

Kinda trying

Chemist1442
Amrun
AaronFrost
Adorable
The Fonz

Barely trying

BrightEyedFish
Bambi Jay
RCEnigma

Avoiding any attempt to solve

Creature
Joan of Arc
Emperor flippyNips

Not a ton of neg assoc in dave iso

Feel like I'm having a hard time finding towntells

3738 isn't bad tho

But I guess at this point mathematically joan probably was hard bussed?

[Weiss Schnee]

I interpreted Bambi Jay's reaction to Clemency as panic. Not wanting to make an independent scumread is Bambi being cautious. Lamenting all the wagons being on town yet not wanting to push something new fits that too.

VOTE: Bambi Jay

I can't tell if Creature's list is a joke or if he's really that far out of touch.

Joan can't be scum. I'm calling this a hard clear. If she was scum then AF would have joined the scum pt, not the pt than Drew was in.

Oh, shit! So he did claim eventually! I was surprised (to the limit of being shocked, actually) the more comprehensive players didn't picj up on what he was hinting all along. I mean, he was confident enough you just had to think about it before you asked him WHY he was so confident.

TBH I still don't fully believe it. It's out of character for Boon to use a base role instead of one of his special ones. And I don't really buy going to bat for FlippyNips of all people.

Well what's your read on chk/A50 independently?

Weak / strong town respectively.

Also how do you reconcile chk being a scum!rolestopper targeting A50 to pseudo clear him knowing he himself wasn't a miller.

Targeting 50JP would not clear him in any case.
The hypothetical reason for a scum rolestopper to target 50JP would be causing chaos and keeping 50JP from being cleared by other people, which would be expected as IIRC 50JP was the only hard claimed role that could be targeted.
This is identical to the "unknown enhantress" theory except that enchantress would also soft clear 50JP's presumed target (Nips).

It's likely to be wrong in either case, but I'd like it to be resolved at some point.

Nah, maybe I shouldn't get angry here. Using the arbitrary color red (though that's not what AF flipped)

Red 1 <-> town
^
|
V
Red 2 <-> town

Red 3 <-> Red 4

Red 5

I guess that's possible, with an extra PT. He could have claimed doc enabler to try to keep Joan alive and get himself NK'd.

I still think the game design includes a town doc and we have only the one claimed though. It's a theory but it doesn't make sense.

Pedit: ok maybe I do want to do this
VOTE: 50 Judge Powers

Dave can you:
-update on bambi and creature reads
-explain that joan post
-explain 50j progression?

[Emperor flippyNips]

Spoiler:

[Weiss Schnee]

nips can you confirm if you got vended last night

also maybe hit us with a reads list or an update on the extent that you are reading this game?

[Emperor flippyNips]

Oh yeah, I got a dead fish

[Weiss Schnee]

What's your flavor again?

[Weiss Schnee]

Someone sent me a message that I’m being taken to the cleaners?

did I have it marked down that Venus got a message too

was this from fonz?

[Emperor flippyNips]

I’m Iago

[Bambi Jay]

What's your flavor again?

Unrelated to me, but I got Viola from the Twelve Night thingy.

[Weiss Schnee]

>Miller in a Shakespeare theme game
>Flavor of miller is NOT Falstaff

?????????????????

wat

[Weiss Schnee]

Unrelated to me, but I got Viola from the Twelve Night thingy.

I feel like there's a lot of follower/voyeurs in shakespeare too so this seems weird too since viola isn't particularly the first that would come to mind

[Weiss Schnee]

can like anyone drop a reads list

I kinda want to just see where people are

[RCEnigma]

I don't know if comparing my play here to jazz is a compliment to my scumplay there or a burn on my play here

I think you have a wide range and it was mostly about my predisposition to reading you as townie.

[RCEnigma]

RCE can you refresh me on what was up with 180 and 254?

Bef looked me in my eyes in 179. It was not a serious read. Facetious statements don't come through well via text.

254 I don't actually remember what my thought process was? Even reading A50s post back I don't know why I clipped that specifically. Maybe I was agreeing Joan is a hard day 1 lynch even when she's leaking scum? Don't quote me on that though.

[davesaz]

Dave can you:
-update on bambi and creature reads
-explain that joan post
-explain 50j progression?

Bambi's role should be town. Posting is mildly scummy at times.

Creature's entire thing could be fake, and I think this could easily be his new approach to scumgames.

Joan can't be scum. I'm calling this a hard clear. If she was scum then AF would have joined the scum pt, not the pt than Drew was in.

This was mechanical based on the stuff in AF's flip. The last quoted post below expanded on that theory. It turned out to be wrong.

Oh, shit! So he did claim eventually! I was surprised (to the limit of being shocked, actually) the more comprehensive players didn't picj up on what he was hinting all along. I mean, he was confident enough you just had to think about it before you asked him WHY he was so confident.

TBH I still don't fully believe it. It's out of character for Boon to use a base role instead of one of his special ones. And I don't really buy going to bat for FlippyNips of all people.

Well what's your read on chk/A50 independently?

Weak / strong town respectively.

Also how do you reconcile chk being a scum!rolestopper targeting A50 to pseudo clear him knowing he himself wasn't a miller.

Targeting 50JP would not clear him in any case.
The hypothetical reason for a scum rolestopper to target 50JP would be causing chaos and keeping 50JP from being cleared by other people, which would be expected as IIRC 50JP was the only hard claimed role that could be targeted.
This is identical to the "unknown enhantress" theory except that enchantress would also soft clear 50JP's presumed target (Nips).

It's likely to be wrong in either case, but I'd like it to be resolved at some point.

Nah, maybe I shouldn't get angry here. Using the arbitrary color red (though that's not what AF flipped)

Red 1 <-> town
^
|
V
Red 2 <-> town

Red 3 <-> Red 4

Red 5

I guess that's possible, with an extra PT. He could have claimed doc enabler to try to keep Joan alive and get himself NK'd.

I still think the game design includes a town doc and we have only the one claimed though. It's a theory but it doesn't make sense.

Pedit: ok maybe I do want to do this
VOTE: 50 Judge Powers

If you're asking about the vote, it was policy.
I continue to think any of these are possible. The 1st two are likely, the 3rd one is less likely.
* Boon made an error and Nips is scum despite 50JP's "clear".
* 50JP is basing his interpretation of his role based on the public definition and Boon's usage in the game is different, hence Nips is scum.
* 50JP and Nips are both scum on different subteams.

[davesaz]

Creature claimed one of his JOAT things is a PT cop right?
Taking Creature as town, a PT cop would be useful against scum who are in a PT but don't claim neighbor. We're up to 3 hoods claimed (Joan/Drew/AF, Chemist+Creature?, Haggle+?) and there were two roles that changed hood membership (AF joins a hood, Titus makes one) plus the implication that scum PTs are split and get merged. If it's a town role it's

very

messed up.

Creature as scum, a PT cop can find the other scum team's PT but there are likely a bunch of PTs with town in them. Again it's messed up.

This kinda makes me wonder if the role is even real. If it's a fake claim it's a fairly good one -- juicy enough to motivate town to keep it around, sketchy enough to make survival plausible.

[Elsa Jay]

Well all I know is, saying it again, that I got the message that said I was tracked last night, so Creature is Announcing. I'm not a role spec, but if we include that, is the role more scummy or less scummy?

[Weiss Schnee]

hmm, in starcraft 1 I did a loud vig because I thought it'd be funny for people to know who killed them when they died mechanically, but also so the scum BP would know who shot them, but MOSTLY because it'd be funny when they killed someone

I'm not sure when it comes to a boon game I'd go hard into that being AI or not, although in role madness I guess I'd be tempted to say it leans town given scum already are likely to be overwhelmed by the sheer volume of night actions and having scum know when they need to lie would be +scum

but it could also be a way for scum to confirm themselves to each other

I don't think "announcing tracker" is AI here tbh

[BrightEyedFish]

>Miller in a Shakespeare theme game
>Flavor of miller is NOT Falstaff

?????????????????

wat

I'm Falstaff...

[Weiss Schnee]

feel like boon prefers merry wives to henry iv

[Weiss Schnee]

Bef readslist?

[BrightEyedFish]

Town:
Chemist
Haggle
Amrun
Weiss
Dave

Probably Scum:
Bambi
RCE
Nips

Scum:
50JP
Creature

[Amrun]

I can buy Haggle as scum, especially with Joan.

Also dave is still aggressively not producing content.

P-edit: yes

Why are you scumreading our slot? I didn't see you provide reasons in your earlier list.

-Hectic

Honestly, I really don’t like your play around the Dave slot. Feels like you’re setting up a mislynch there.

I don’t hate that AF vote, actually. I didn’t like the mention of dave slot after mine when AF did it.

If Dave is scum, it is NOT with scum AF knew about. He basically came in and parroted what I had said about Dave without referencing me.

[50 Judge Powers]

I continue to think any of these are possible. The 1st two are likely, the 3rd one is less likely.
* Boon made an error and Nips is scum despite 50JP's "clear".
* 50JP is basing his interpretation of his role based on the public definition and Boon's usage in the game is different, hence Nips is scum.
* 50JP and Nips are both scum on different subteams.

I am NOT basing my interpretation on anything but the explicit wordings in my own role pm + further communication with the mod.

HOWEVER, since Boon seems to be manipulative in his own ROLES, I think I am open for a Nips lynch to see if he is a Miller or a GODFATHER. (Godfather does NOT "come across as Scum" so my action should have FAILED, but now that Joan's role pm is exposed I am open to the idea Boon is confused about how his own roles work)