Krazy's Post-Apocalypse uPick (Game Over)

[Past Present Future]

UNVOTE:

[Past Present Future]

UNVOTE:

I want to understand your read change on Alim, Tiitus. What changed.

Oh and ftr, I’m still spiritually voting Alch but I’ve obviously been outvoted but I can’t sanction a vote on Alim, until Titus explains it and @Auro. you agreeing to a compromise vote isn’t good enough for me. I need to know WHY we’re voting there.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Hydras are fun!

Almost as fun as a barrel of claustrophobic flying monkeys.

My actual flavour in RC uPick.

[Clover Ebi]

Alch being 3p means we shouldn't lynch him at the moment considering we need him to shoot at mafia at the moment. I don't think that's the correct answer right now.

[Past Present Future]

UNVOTE:

I want to understand your read change on Alim, Tiitus. What changed.

Oh and ftr, I’m still spiritually voting Alch but I’ve obviously been outvoted but I can’t sanction a vote on Alim, until Titus explains it and @Auro. you agreeing to a compromise vote isn’t good enough for me. I need to know WHY we’re voting there.

~Fu

Alch being not group scum but SK or town. I think we were systemically loud and wrong on both DEB and Alimeda.

~Past

[alimdia]

Wow uh lots of pages not much actual content.
Alchemist is a probvig with some very, very scant SK equity that doesn't matter because SK!Alchemist fighting half a town and a full scumteam shoots at the scumteam. It's scant because his ammo isn't unlimited and SK is already a brutal role to win with when you have unlimited ammo and a vest. It'd even be more likely for him to have some bizarre 3p role like Collectors that can't win in a way that excludes the town from doing so.
Stop saying Elsa Jay is maybe SK. SS's role PM says the investigation returns what the wincon is precisely, not "mafia" "not mafia". I'm trying to decide if glossing over that so carelessly is alignment indicative, I don't think either head would intentionally misrepresent it but I've seen people push "scum skim more" before.
I could also talk about townreading the dead townie but that doesn't get us places. Did anyone use a cheap action to test DEB?

it says "truth of a player's alignment and all of their possible win conditions ONLY if they are human".

I'm fluctuating between being annoyed and "whatever, large themes are dumb".

This set is a truckload of mechanics being ignored and misused, the biggest and most egregious case being TSE scavenging the item that would have made a doctor and made this setup have a 4-shot follow the cop strategy and now it just doesn't.

Can't roleblockers just... stop the follow the cop strategy?

Yo

We’re a vig, shot Alch last night

We spent N1 getting a bullet and couldn’t shoot

VOTE: Alch

-Mist

Can you explain how you get bullets? And what kind of ammo you use.

VOTE: Alimeda

Auro and I agree here for now. Auro doesn't want DEB either.

~Past

HYDRA DISSONANCE STOP

[alimdia]

Elsa and I are pimping it up in our masonry. Except Elsa is still afk

[PenguinPower]

I exist.

[Elsa Jay]

Not afk, just tactical silence.

[PenguinPower]

Can someone summarize the three vig thing for me? Elsa was lying? gf

[Elsa Jay]

I never lie, I just tell truths from alternate realities.

[PenguinPower]

I mean - I said go figure because I'm not surprised...but you can spin it how you want

[Pink Ball]

Can someone summarize the three vig thing for me? Elsa was lying? gf

Alch killed mastina and SS was killed by the same flavor that Elsa claimed on D2, but Elsa said she fakeclaimed and it makes because 1. SS' clear was Elsa, and 2. It's Elsa lol.

Then Dats Mist came into the day claiming vigging Alch and voting him 'cause he doesn't believe there are three vigs, not knowing beforehand that Elsa already unclaimed.

Nancy believes Alch is scum because of killing mastina and surviving the shot. Titus thinks it's more likely that he's a SK so we should focus on catching scum because a SK would have to townside at this point if he wants to win, so there was some disonance in thread but I think they've solved it.

[PenguinPower]

<3 PB

[PenguinPower]

So...Alch is ungated Vig and DM is gated vig and Elsa is Elsa.

Titus is right.

[Pink Ball]

I have thought about the SK situation during the day and I'm a little worried about the idea of leashing a 3P, tho. Why would a SK agree with town terms if they'll inevitably lose? In DnD we won by lynching Miss Lynch at the end who defended herself saying that she townsided the whole game, but 3Ps have their own win condition. Why would a "caught" SK negotiate with town if they're already caught?

That being said, I don't think Alch is a caught SK. I'm still not convinced that he's not town. Even without the crumb I thought he did at the begining of the game, or the fucking idiotic fakeclaim by TSE, how his wagon was built on D1, as a counterwagon to alimdia's wagon, makes me believe that he doesn't have a team behind him that would have not let that happen, and that we were right on alimdia from the begining.

This still doesn't exclude the SK alternative, BUT if I were in Alch's situation, I think I would've claimed something different rather than a vig and refrain from shooting for a while in case there's a tracker, but if you're a SK and claim vig, you're constrained to kill every night and people will judge for them. That's not a 3P mindset, that's not good for your wincon.

[Pink Ball]

So I won't put stick my neck out for Alch, but I think his slot will self resolve eventually. I'm pretty sure about that.

[alimdia]

Not afk, just tactical silence.

[popsofctown]

Wow uh lots of pages not much actual content.
Alchemist is a probvig with some very, very scant SK equity that doesn't matter because SK!Alchemist fighting half a town and a full scumteam shoots at the scumteam. It's scant because his ammo isn't unlimited and SK is already a brutal role to win with when you have unlimited ammo and a vest. It'd even be more likely for him to have some bizarre 3p role like Collectors that can't win in a way that excludes the town from doing so.
Stop saying Elsa Jay is maybe SK. SS's role PM says the investigation returns what the wincon is precisely, not "mafia" "not mafia". I'm trying to decide if glossing over that so carelessly is alignment indicative, I don't think either head would intentionally misrepresent it but I've seen people push "scum skim more" before.
I could also talk about townreading the dead townie but that doesn't get us places. Did anyone use a cheap action to test DEB?

it says "truth of a player's alignment and all of their possible win conditions ONLY if they are human".

Yes, and jjh said "I investigated Elsa and got results", meaning he additionally learned for us that the Finn the

Human

part of his claim is true on top of "the results are town". Can you convince me you mentally slip this hard as both alignments? Because it's an awful, awful lot of mental gymnastics to keep Elsa in the lynchpool when I think she's played relatively townish anyway. VOTE: alimdia

I'm fluctuating between being annoyed and "whatever, large themes are dumb".

This set is a truckload of mechanics being ignored and misused, the biggest and most egregious case being TSE scavenging the item that would have made a doctor and made this setup have a 4-shot follow the cop strategy and now it just doesn't.

Can't roleblockers just... stop the follow the cop strategy?

Somewhere between 0 and 100% of the time. Were you Informed about a Lynchproof Bulletproof Mafia Roleblocker, you shouldn't play those modifiers close the vest for the record. >0% is more than enough for me to complain about a tradeoff that was "would you like to have a doc, or would you like for TSE to get to read a role PM that says "you pick up the magic red herb and put it into your satchel"
Like how are you trying to make this a conversation.

Yo

We’re a vig, shot Alch last night

We spent N1 getting a bullet and couldn’t shoot

VOTE: Alch

-Mist

Can you explain how you get bullets? And what kind of ammo you use.

At this point I would greatly prefer for you to be forced to detail your fullclaim with specificity before Cheast and Dasist has to.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Alchrmist

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Alchrmist

Titus and a good rest convinced me.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Alchrmist

Titus and a good rest convinced me.

~Fu

I do not endorse this vote or the tantrum being thrown.

I just am not going to change it to reduce spam. Get DEB or Alimeda to L minus 1. I'll ninja hammer.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Alch killed mastina and SS was killed by the same flavor that Elsa claimed on D2, but Elsa said she fakeclaimed and it makes because 1. SS' clear was Elsa, and 2. It's Elsa lol.

Then Dats Mist came into the day claiming vigging Alch and voting him 'cause he doesn't believe there are three vigs, not knowing beforehand that Elsa already unclaimed.

Nancy believes Alch is scum because of killing mastina and surviving the shot. Titus thinks it's more likely that he's a SK so we should focus on catching scum because a SK would have to townside at this point if he wants to win, so there was some disonance in thread but I think they've solved it.

Except for the solving our dissonance. This is correct.

Nancy is going to whine until Alch is dead. Enjoy that.

~Titus

[popsofctown]

Hydras are fun!

[alimdia]

Wow uh lots of pages not much actual content.
Alchemist is a probvig with some very, very scant SK equity that doesn't matter because SK!Alchemist fighting half a town and a full scumteam shoots at the scumteam. It's scant because his ammo isn't unlimited and SK is already a brutal role to win with when you have unlimited ammo and a vest. It'd even be more likely for him to have some bizarre 3p role like Collectors that can't win in a way that excludes the town from doing so.
Stop saying Elsa Jay is maybe SK. SS's role PM says the investigation returns what the wincon is precisely, not "mafia" "not mafia". I'm trying to decide if glossing over that so carelessly is alignment indicative, I don't think either head would intentionally misrepresent it but I've seen people push "scum skim more" before.
I could also talk about townreading the dead townie but that doesn't get us places. Did anyone use a cheap action to test DEB?

it says "truth of a player's alignment and all of their possible win conditions ONLY if they are human".

Yes, and jjh said "I investigated Elsa and got results", meaning he additionally learned for us that the Finn the

Human

part of his claim is true on top of "the results are town". Can you convince me you mentally slip this hard as both alignments? Because it's an awful, awful lot of mental gymnastics to keep Elsa in the lynchpool when I think she's played relatively townish anyway. VOTE: alimdia

What? How was I trying to keep Elsa in the lynchpool Thats some misrep right there.
I mentioned that part because... I know what it returns in an investigation if they aren't human