BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[Weiss Schnee]

Fair but isn't he guaranteed to lose in 3 way then?

[Weiss Schnee]

Nope but I feel strongly about bef town and probably you town. So it can get sorted tomorrow.

If 50j is scum and flippy is supersaint then there is no tomorrow? 2 town deaths + scum kill = gg?

[RCEnigma]

Like if flips is actually a supersaint it outs A50 as the only suspect left.

[RCEnigma]

Oh, your right. I wasn't thinking about the numbers.

[RCEnigma]

I do think it's a fake claim regardless.

[Weiss Schnee]

Walk me through your read on 50j?

[Weiss Schnee]

I do think it's a fake claim regardless.

True the bigger worry is that it's a shitpost from town

[Weiss Schnee]

His posting today has been super bad though lol

[50 Judge Powers]

@RCE: I somehow think you don't volunteer to hammer today if you were scum. I would be willing to trust your read on BEF (and give you shit post-game if you are wrong). you can vote Nips and convince one of Weiss/BEF to put him @L-1 and I'll hammer.

[RCEnigma]

Walk me through your read on 50j?

It's lean town mostly from day 1.

So I brought up the enjoyment tell which he was showing early in day 1 as a vocal town presence. The engagement with me where he flipped his read to follow me onto Titus was +town. Mostly because it didn't turn into a hard pocket.

The agreement on Joan!scum day 1 onward. I would say that the conspiracy mech spec is town indicative but I've found it to be in his scumrange as well.

But in the moment those were posts that I was like, yeah I can see town!A50 taking that angle.

I don't have a mech reason to townread him or scumread him, it's just how the game shaped out and I think he's played well as either alignment.

[RCEnigma]

@RCE: I somehow think you don't volunteer to hammer today if you were scum. I would be willing to trust your read on BEF (and give you shit post-game if you are wrong). you can vote Nips and convince one of Weiss/BEF to put him @L-1 and I'll hammer.

If bef is scum here and there were doc shenanigans then yeah that's on me.

[Weiss Schnee]

If bef is scum here and there were doc shenanigans then yeah that's on me.

I actually have no problem with joan doccing bef

what I have a problem with is Creature tracking BEF to Chara on a night when as a split renegade he also would have had to have given macho to davesaz, meaning that Creature was bussing BEF in such a way that if BEF flipped Creature would be confirmed scum, which makes 0 sense whatsoever

[Weiss Schnee]

this game is fucking weird though

I kinda think it's flippy I just don't have a logical explanation as to how that makes sense mechanically and that really pisses me off

Flippy are you sure you want to stick to that supersaint claim?

[Weiss Schnee]

ironically I can easily see Boon designing a "miller supersaint" tho which makes me nervous here LOL

[RCEnigma]

If bef is scum here and there were doc shenanigans then yeah that's on me.

I actually have no problem with joan doccing bef

what I have a problem with is Creature tracking BEF to Chara on a night when as a split renegade he also would have had to have given macho to davesaz, meaning that Creature was bussing BEF in such a way that if BEF flipped Creature would be confirmed scum, which makes 0 sense whatsoever

Wait in that world how does that confirm creature scum? You'd have to assume no multitasking and know how often renegade can target in a given night which would probably be in the role pm but it's not a given.

[Weiss Schnee]

Wait in that world how does that confirm creature scum? You'd have to assume no multitasking and know how often renegade can target in a given night which would probably be in the role pm but it's not a given.

?
it doesn't confirm creature scum, it confirms BEF town

because creature only claims that result if BEF is town

if BEF was scum, and BEF flipped scum renegade, then creature's result would be outed as a lie and then creature would get lynched too

why would creature bus for the opposite of towncred? that's what I'm saying. it'd be like a hard throw in a scenario where bef ever gets lynched

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

otherwise chances are he's ascetic scum who kept it a secret

you never ceaze to amaze me. Yes, I'm Ascetic Scum who said explicitly that I can be targeted by non-killing actions so that I can get caught in a lie and get myself lynched for the lolz.

50 needs to make a Goddamn appearance so we know who our 4 off-the-table townies are.

As far as I'm quote up (this post I'm quoting) Nip isn't cleared. I get the feeling I was targeted by an Alien (a combination of Jailkeeper & Rolestopper for those who don't know what an Alien is) and this would be the simplest explanation for why TWO players actions failed on me (assuming Creature is telling the truth). If that's the case, then I was recharged because my action didn't go through due to the JK, and not because my target was not group scum.

~The brainy one.

I totally don’t get this. How does YOU visiting HIM, make Flips enchantress?

Who the freak said Nips was the Enchantress?? I wish I could understand how your brain works for ONCE, Nancy!

The -now unlikely- theory was that I was TARGETED by an Enchantress. That would have RB'd me and ALSO made me untargetable. This means my action didn't go through and Nips was not cleared. If Nips isn't cleared then he deserves to be lynched because he's not playing the game. Nips, Joan & Aaron are all non-entities in this game (also Frank, but he's getting replaced, and Creature whom I have no idea why anyone TRs him).

But that's old news now, because -as I was trying to explain Alien vs Enchantress- it hit me that I could have also been targeted by a Town Rolestopper, for instance. If Boon made his Rolestopper (whatever he calls it) a protective (the version that makes the target TOTALLY untargetable) then that should also explain it to me. There are more possible explanations that I am not in the mood to dwell at, but the bottom line is my Alien theory is no more likely than any other scenario, so I'm rescinding it.

You want Drew? Fine..

VOTE: Dr Drew

@Scum: I won't be acting tonight, so I'm just a sitting duck for you to shoot. PLEASE DO, so that I can concentrate on.. other stuff.

P-edit: @Nancy, I said >I< don't understand how your mind works.. >I< don't understand. So, technically if I was calling anyone dumb (which I wasn't) it'd be me! Plus, you know me well enough. You know if I wanted to call someone dumb (or anything else) I can do just that in the most direct explicit form.

I have ALL kinds of moon!logicky absurd theories running through my head right now I can't say I trust ANYONE to be town in this game. You wanna know some? Have some:

1- What if chkflip is actually Scum who fakeclaimed Miller and I fell for it? Like, I knew a Miller was likely alright, but then someone did flip a Miller and it wasn't chkflip.

2- What if V&M are scum and killed their neighbor who had crumbed/claimed his role to them in the hood?

3- What if Creature's fakeclaiming,

knowing

that I have been Enchanted last night?

Do you want more or have you had enough already??

Carry on, if you please

VOTE: Joan

Nor buying ANYTHING she says. I don't even know why Scum would leave the Doctor alive, if they -presumably- had both me and -allegedly- Creature blocked one way or another. So they left the Doctor alone, without even trying to block her action??

I'm stopping at the top of page 150, Internet to slow and I'm really tired. Will catch up tomorrow.

Also,

@Boon: Man your games are awesome, but you can't have Joan, Creature and Nips all in the same game and expect is to enjoy the game, can you??

P-edit: @VnM: You yourself have been arguing against the existence of an Enchantress to begin with. Now make up your mind, was I targeted by an Enchantress (in which case I'll vote Nips) or was I NOT targeted by an Enchantress (in which case I'm not moving off Joan)??

You can't roleblock someone that's rolestopped.

I didn't get that the question was why didn't they RB me

in addition to

having Rolestopped me, but rather as an alternate proposition to having been Rolestopped. MY BAD!

Come to think of it, why couldn't Creature have RB'd me? Why isn't Joan a RB faking Doc? What do you call a baby monkey? (That last one is a legit question. Is there a term relating to baby monkies as is kitten to a baby cat or cub to a baby dog?)

50 Judge Powers - Ascetic miller

Remind me to have you review my next setup (whenever that is coming). It'd be amusing to include an Ascetic (someone who

can't be investigated

by definition) with a Miller modifier (specifically designed to return a false guilty to

an investigative

). I may also toss in BP Commuter and/or a PGO Lightning Rod for the fun of it!

Note: WOW!

PGO Lightning Rod

in an

OVERKILL

game! Now WHY didn't I think of THAT before?

Also Creature is

really

scummy I can't shake the idea he's been told to fakeclaim his role by Titus to saw more seeds of confusion in the town ranks. And you wonder why I left the game for AP to "play with"?

Why the OMGUS?

Because I feel like it. I think it's Titus/Creature/Joan/someone else

P.S. "Someone else" is not a player in this game, I know. They're playing under an alt.

50j-->creature interactions

man this is some weird fucking cross-bus distancing for s/s

[Weiss Schnee]

Note: Just because Creature was proven right doesn't mean he's less boring.

Yah whatever at least I'm doing my job

Your job is to tell us you're bored, tired and can't sleep??? Or is it to NOT READ and come ask who claimed what and whom to lynch??? WOW! Boon

really

must've crossed the line on this one. I'll have a few harsh words for him post-game.

no one is asserting bambi was cleared mechanically are they?

Thank you.

Well, I kinda think chemist scum slipped here:

So hider

receives actions if they hide behind scum

which might’ve been nice to clarify before I got overexcited

In fact, rereading that exchange I get the idea that Bambi+Creature are one pair of the scum quartet and chemist is a member of the other duo.

Now I dunno who their 4th is, but if there is an Enchantress that could have targeted NIPS on N1. That probably explains why my action went through, yet I didn't die. Of course, Nips being a Miller still works, so I dunno.

What I do know is scum giving Titus Ascetic is likely to prevent Joan from being on her, so Joan is a Town Doctor for real? *Gulp*

So, it's Bambi+Creature at one OT and Joan+chemist in the other. GAME BLOODY SOLVED.

The "condition" required for the 2 scum PTs to be united is probably chemist hiding behind a member of the other duo

Simpler is just Aaron dead.

Nope. chemist targeted SCUM CREATURE, and he slipped it.

Also what do you think now about Joan's opening post?

To me, Joan is confirmed Scum. Creature+chemist are like 90%. Bambi somewhere between 70-80%.

VOTE: chemist

I think this is a better lynch. His flip should tell us a whole lot about both Creature and Bambi (at the very least). If chemist is green then we can trust him to gave been telling the truth and thus Creature is Town. If he is red then we see what modifier(s) he has on him and decide.

I also could lynch BEF today. That "I would like to wait for all to post today before outing." is sus AF. In fact, THAT is who I'm guessing is the Renegade, and he wanted to see if anyone had seen him do it. Else, he could also be a DISLOYAL vendor and wanted to see if the target received it (Town) or not (Scum).

Night 1- target 50JP - No Result

Night 2 - tracks BEF to Chara

Night 3 - tracks Titus, didn’t see anything

Night 4 - Creature tracks Bambi to Dave.

N3: Interesting. What would have prevented a result on Titus??

N4: Even more interesting. Why didn't Creature mention that (or did I miss it?) when Bambi claimed he was on the Hider (chemist)??

8672 is like the only thing concerning here, but then you see stuff like 8672 which would be even fucking weirder for s/s

7789 and 7792 are some hard busses, I'm trying to remember his hardest busses as scum but I feel like I haven't rolled against his scum game that often actually, still pretty surprising for s/s

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Creature

You didn't remember my first time calling you out? Or right youve been creepy and mind melding me instead.

I remember you were surprised I claimed joat. Which is weird anyway because joats can coexist anyway? I suspect creature for the bef push but that's beside the point.

Bambi Green Flip confirms Chemist-Creature are same alignment

Explain please.

Bambi confirms chemist hid behind creature. On a Bambi!town flip that's a true check.

Bambi Green Flip confirms Chemist-Creature are same alignment

Explain please.

Bambi confirms chemist hid behind creature. On a Bambi!town flip that's a true check.

A scum hider can be a thing. Only the action is confirmed.

Are you saying that from the angle scum could have a protective but hider makes more sense than scum doc?

I guess, it's unlikely. Creature is cleared on a Bambi town flip either way.

I'll look into it.

Creature is a pain in the ass to read lately but I feel like he interacts with me with the goal to manipulate my read on him as scum. He's mostly avoided interacting with me outside of mech reasons like his track on bef.

If he's scum it's with chemist and not bef. +1 wherever.

If he's town chemist is town and it only confirms bef visited Chara but he's not split and hiding fruit with a partner.

RCE-->Creature

this isn't great for s/s either but it's a bit easier to believe than 50J

[Weiss Schnee]

So you both want that lynch? Granted!

VOTE: LoserdudeOG/Creature/TrueSoulEnergy/"whoever replaces TSE"

although despite shading Creature for all of page 2 of his iso, this is the only time he ever votes creature

although there are a lot of votes on joan and then eventually into bambi

so I guess by "titus-method" 50J doesn't look as good as he can for antiassociatives with creature even if his tone toward creature throughout is softly not s/s

[Weiss Schnee]

I kinda feel like it's nips and Boon just pulled some straight up mech bullshit out of his ass but it's still mechanically correct to lynch inside RCE/50J today in my mind with favor toward RCE for the wildcard scenario of flips actually being SS miller lol

[Weiss Schnee]

Like there are scenarios where 50J is scum but he's had one hell of a fucking game if he is lol

[Weiss Schnee]

idk unless "1-shot recharged desperate weak visitor" is actually too convoluted for boon to actually roll but after boon wars I don't think it is?

[Weiss Schnee]

BEF visited Chara

[Weiss Schnee]

Sorry @Titus, who should I aim for? I think it would greatly help if everyone who hasn’t already claimed do so. @RCE, @BEF, Haggle, please claim, thanks.

I thought I did enough already but I'll lay it out:

Dirty Laundry Vendor with no modifiers.

N1: V&M
N2: Chara

actually shit