Everything Is Still A Lie v2 [Canceled]

[Minstrel]

Just to make this clear from the start: I'm the Jigglypuff and Norwee's the Bard in our profile pic. We already had a week long debate about this, and I'm pretty sure I won when he started reporting me to the admins.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Drew's dangerous, but in my experience, insomnia's usually scum.
VOTE: insomnia

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Well let's ask him tbh

Hectic, what gave you the impression that insomnia was usually scum tbh?

In every game I've played with him, he has been scum. Therefore, by extrapolating the data I have to work with, he is also scum in this game.

I rest my case.

VOTE: insomnia

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Hi.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I know this game isn't full of VT, I'm a VW

Vanilla Weak Doctor?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Idk why i’m voting Insomnia, but i’m rolling with it. Hah, i don’t even need to think for myself. This is great!

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Also, sorry for my lack of manners here, Hectic. It's nice seeing you, once again, dear friend. Hope all's well. Seen you doing good and stuff. spec'd some games.

Good to see you too, friend. You were the first strong, independent scum figure I witnessed on this site, and for that, you will always be scum to me. <3
In a good way.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Idk why i’m voting Insomnia, but i’m rolling with it. Hah, i don’t even need to think for myself. This is great!

- Norwee

You're in this game, Norwee? Nice. Why you using my account to post though? Might have to tell Korina if you keep doing that.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Scum to see you too, wait ops i meant uhhh. Very TELLING visit we had in the pt yesterday, wait ops uhhh.
Ah man, i’m not very good at this.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Korina

is whispering to

Jake The Wolfie

. Korina has 6 whispers left for today.

Minstrel sent Korina a whisper.

Could you confirm this for us, Korina?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Chemist's "tbh"s are making me irrationally townread him. You might have found a deadly weapon there tbh

You must've had some shit scum figures before me.

It was my first game :p

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Don't whisper, it's a trap.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I'm still trying to figure out a way to kill Hectic without dying myself. It's my wincon.
If anyone has an ability that lends itself to my goal then please post it without hesitation.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I say we make the lynch order nice and simple. The people that please me will live, the people that annoy me shall die.
There's bound to be scum lynched at some point.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

VOTE: Hectic
UNVOTE: Norwegianboy

[Minstrel]

VOTE: Hectic
UNVOTE: Norwegianboy

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Hectic you goofball, what trouble did you get me into now?
Sigh, this hydra head... i swear.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Lul, this is interesting. Don't blame this on me, Norwee; you had the reigns for the last couple of hours.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Also, check the PT, I have some suggestions for a poem we could write for our defence.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Minstrel do your heads wanna give us a reads list or something?

That's got to be the funniest thing i've read on this thread so far.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

>This thread

[Minstrel]

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Honestly, Minstrel getting put on trial was rather funny, but like, was there any real reason for it? Does anyone know?
Also, I’d like this to get inno’d. It’s not even a full IRL day into the game, and if Minstrel is found guilty, that ends the day.

Yeah, on the other hand, a guilty would be banter.

Lul, can we not get meme-lynched 1 IRL day in please?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Do people want a claim?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Minstrel do your heads wanna give us a reads list or something?

Only real read is on insomnia; I like the probing/questions he's asked so far.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Gonna offer a defence? Preferably involving at least one beloved Star Wars character.

Hope this brings us to a mutual understanding.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

To win the game~
You gotta stop being lame~

Vote no~t guilty
For we a~re true

Say we have a truce
Town has nothing to lose

Vote not guilty TODAYYY!

[Minstrel]

^Courtesy of Norwee. Brings tears to my eyes tbh. My one's still under construction.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

We had budget constraints, alright? The industry has no respect for poets nowadays.
Though, I don't think those two are supposed to rhyme anyway.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Minstrel is a team.
A Hectic-Norwee hydra.
Our wincon is a meme.
Not made in China.

Minstrel is a team.
We may have a dayvig.
Anyone doubts us,
we cla~im LAMIST.

Minstrel is a team,
for we have hope.
Stand in our way?
we'll call in the antelope.

Minstrel is a team.
We have no fear.
Friendship is our power.
so give us a cheer!

[Minstrel]

whisper me your wincon bae

If we have at least 100 poems spanning the game when all threats to town are eliminated.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Uhhh, we have a regular town wincon. Norwee would probably murder me if I got us lynched because people took that seriously.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

we managed to get minstrel to claim third party and they can be lynched immediately so all you gotta do is PM a guilty to the jury

PM THE JURY NOT GUILTY
Do people want a claim if they're actually considering this?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Copy that, M16.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Unfortunately, we don't have any poem related wincons. We're not third party.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

He also hasn't claimed any significant town powers. If the slot is just a VT, then mislynching a VT and going into night before the town power structure is revealed with bad pushes can be very pro-town. Conversely, he's already retracted a joke wincon which both heads wrote a poem to sell so I don't really see this slot as town tbh

Our account was made before we got our role PM, Obum. Our theme is writing poems... come on, I was just messing around. Also, we're not VT.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Thank you, Rau. I've missed you dearly, friend.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Our account was made before we got our role PM, Obum. Our theme is writing poems... come on, I was just messing around.

sure but maybe bear in mind that people will pay attention to the first claim you make after you're randomly trialed? we have to make some sort of judgment about your alignment and so far you've gone out of your way to make that harder

I sometimes fakeclaim stupid things as jokes, but yeah, not the right time after we were trialled.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Sing me a ballad, Minstrel.

- Turkey

@Norwee: I'm low on creative juices; cover this one for me when you return tomorrow.

I'll start you off:
O gobbledygood, o gobbledygook
the killer~ of the cult
O gobbledygood, o gobbledygook
look here~ if you want results

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Are the votes on me revealed after? If not, all the scum are always gonna vote Guilty because why wouldn't they. So gonna need people to vote "Not Guilty" rather than abstain here.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

grumble grumble grumble
So are votes revealed when the trial ends, Korina?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

@Rau: Out of interest, would you have actually lynched me had I claimed jester in that UPick game? I highly doubt it lol.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

A bit busy today but i will say i've skimmed most of the thread. I find Obviouslyscum's incessant push for making us flip and "have a shorter day" a weird position to have. And i don't see why denying discussion time will give town a bigger win chance. I'd like to hear where he got that statistic from, because it sounds like something he pulled straight from his ass. Honestly i don't like his recent posts at all. I do like how the thread went towards country boy singing though, that stuff was great. Keep em coming boys. Oh, and don't vote gulty come on. Don't be a lame-o. Apparently the motivation behind this trial was just one big meme, and there's not point in going through a forced lynch when there are so many slots that should be sorted but will essentially be given a free day assuming we're actually lynched and the day ends here.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Analyzing wagons and votes on each wagons is a great way to find scum which i think Obviousscum is completely ignoring will be unavailable if we are flipped through the trial today. So his arguments in favor of flipping us are weak in comparison to why we should stay alive and make today a more traditional day.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Counter point, we evaluate the guilty and inno votes. It's still analysis, and it's still based on votes. It doesn't really need to be traditional. Traditional doesn't also mean good.

counter-counter point: we evaluate guilty-inno votes now, and then have a normal day and evaluate votes/wagons after too. This trial is still gonna be good for info even if you Not-Guilty us. Any anti-town factions are majorly incentived to Guilty this, because none of them get lynched today, they cut discussion short, and you guys have a lot less to work with the next day.
Sure, you have inno-guilty votes, but you don't have wagons or nearly as much people expressing reads.
Also, it's just not as fun.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Obum's a weird one. I've reread him and he's very strongly opinionated about not policy Innocenting this, which is fair enough I guess, since that defeats the entire purpose of gaining info from it. Norwee and I are obviously biased though, and we can't help but feel scum are gonna be strongly incentived to guilty this, which will tip the favour in the voting.
I think the correct play is to vote Not Guilty if you're not sure about us, or townread us, and vote Guilty if you think we're scum, but reasons would be nice.
Obum and insominia: Why are you scumreading us?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I'm liking Rau. I don't see why scum!him ever comes out like that to defend us, especially at a point where the loudest person in the room (Obum) was very much pro-Guilty, or at least seemed like it. Could easily see the trial be meme-voted Guilty at that point, and scum have no reason to change that direction, so him coming in and being a voice of reason is very town-motivated.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Came to shitpost, found out you're actually expected to solve.
Sad tbh.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I don't think I could ever vote guilty on Hectic, but I definitely could fit Norwee.....but only for reasons.

Definitely could vote Norwee guilty.

Not sure where I could fit him.

Post Edit: Why do you conclude that I am going to vote guilty from that?

I seem to recall there being prior discussion of wanting to lynch half of that hydra, but not the other half. Which was actually before this whole trial thing. Anyone here played with Norwegian before? I haven't.

I see my reputation doesn't precede me.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I'm liking Rau. I don't see why scum!him ever comes out like that to defend us, especially at a point where the loudest person in the room (Obum) was very much pro-Guilty, or at least seemed like it. Could easily see the trial be meme-voted Guilty at that point, and scum have no reason to change that direction, so him coming in and being a voice of reason is very town-motivated.

-Hectic

Agree with this tbh. Maybe i'll let you live after all Hectic. You're much better at keeping up with this than i am right now.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Drew did you roll cult today?

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Anyone here played with Norwegian before? I haven't.

I have, that's the only reason why I'm not yet outright voting Guilty

Norway can openwolf as Town

Speaking from experience

-gun

Wait what? Menalque is that you? You're the GUN?!

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Menalque is still the rose.

-gun

Oh right. It's the LYLO meister.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Not sure why you felt you needed to agree with your partner about town-reading me,

Hey, i'm a strong independent person! Don't you treat me and Hectic as some sort of hive mind! When we communicated telepathically while eating lunch yesterday i strongly disagreed with Hectic's choice of Coffee brand and confined with him why my Norwegian brand is superior.

[Minstrel]

Well, it just feels a bit weird considering you (the hydra) only has one other expressed read that I can see.

So, do you have any reads on... TSH and/or Chemist?

Tbh Chemist i think might be town tbh, honestly i think he's been playing in an honest manner tbh i don't see any reason to see his behaviour as scummy or dishonest tbh. Although i might be biased tbh, cus i really like meme posters tbh. And tbh i'm just here to get entertained. This whole hydra thing is pretty cool tbh. Just think of Hectic as the serious poster and me the memeposter tbh, and i know that says a lot about me tbh. When (tbh) even Hectic can be more serious than me. Quite funny tbh.
Oh and theres's the fact Chemist is actually actively posting, usually scum!him lurks all day long. That's a good sign tbh.
TSE is a wacky dude. And i'm not seeing reason to scumread him either.
Any reason why you're asking about these two slots in particular Rautherdir?

[Minstrel]

- Norwee tbh

[Minstrel]

That was a very quick glance in their ISO's btw. Take those reads as very surface level because they are.
- Norwee

[Minstrel]

hehehahehehe

hehahehHEHEAHAHEHAHA

I see that scumslip. I know who you are.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I guess I scum read Hectic more than the hydra itself so that’s why I said he

You never gave a reason for this; let's hear it.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Ok. Here's my first read.

All players whose name start with an I are town.

interesting
that's a lot of townreads
for this stage of the game i mean

-Iectic

[Minstrel]

(-mm)

I think it's you who said Norwee and I both reacted in towny ways to the trial announcement. Let's hear some reasoning, mmm.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

And frankly, something that I don't think you as town!Ico would ever come out with.

#Town!Ico never does this

every.single.game.

if you actually think this isn't town!ico, you know nothing of me

if you truly believe i won't guilty in a meme game in a meme trial as town, you are mistaken

i've literally written out my honest thoughts as it happened, if you take the wrong conclusion from that so be it

i won't defend my actions there because i regret nothing

@insomn, you realize this game is called 'everything is a lie' right?

This feels VERY defensive. You make the same point like 4 times, and then on top of that, remind insomnia of the game name to try and explain it. I didn't find the original point scummy, but I do find your reaction scummo.

Oh cool we're out of rvs

care to chip in on the discussion?

And then this feels like you're suddenly shifting away from that topic. Just feels a little unnatural.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

HA, good luck lynching me now, Norwee.
@Obum: Why'd you abstain?

VOTE: Iconeum

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Does anyone mind whispering to us? Korina only gave us shouts, and we're saving those for a special occasion.
If you do whisper to us, please state:
1) Your reason for your business.
2) Your full role.
3) Your favourite piece of music.

Pedit: I'm checking through that now, Rau.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I mean, we either randomly vote to guilty or Not Guilty

Why'd you vote Guilty? Was it "random"?

Also, I don't see a reason from the Baker, but he's a strange one...

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Yea, because you're the dovahkiin, dovahkiin.

Woah, spoilers. I thought you were saving that twist for the endgame. But now that the secret's out, I am tempted to FUSRODAH Icon right now.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I mean, we either randomly vote to guilty or Not Guilty

Why'd you vote Guilty? Was it "random"?

Also, I don't see a reason from the Baker, but he's a strange one...

-Hectic

i voted guilty

i didn't really care

sorry

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

And then this feels like you're suddenly shifting away from that topic. Just feels a little unnatural.

how can you say i was shifting away from the discussion if you just above that quoted me asking more players opinions on the matter

So by "chip in on the discussion", you were asking for his opinion on your squabble with insomnia? I saw it as a general "do you have anything to say" prompt.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

@Icon: That part's less relevant though. I just dislike how defensive you got in the first place.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Lynchproof! Lynchproof!

Time to annoy the town.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

and I may or may not be starting to regret my trial vote

@Hectic, why'd you bring up the ~defensiveness~ after someone else already did? I find that odd for whatever reason

-gun

Oh, I missed 731. Basically just repeated what he said lul

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Hectic why are we voting Iconeum?

- Norwee

Good thing you signed this post, Norwee. Wouldn't know it was coming from you otherwise. For him being so defensive/overreactionary to insomnia's attack on him.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

understandable, a lot of players react to me like that

i really do get like that when i feel pressured for bad reasons

@Gun: Do you vouch for this? Why'd you think Icon is town?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

and I may or may not be starting to regret my trial vote

Why i wonder why that could be?
Hmmm~?

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Iconeum the dragon

I remember the day he flew.
Eager to explore the thread.
Light shone in his eyes.
He had a taste for the dead.

I told him he was defensive.
He was not holier than thou.
He told me "fair enough"
I furrowed my brow.

[Minstrel]

-Hectic

Insomnia, so let's hear the reasoning for that scumread on me.

[Minstrel]

but Hectic's Ico push ain't sitting well with me

Why? I've never played with Icon before, and defensiveness and overreacting like that is often a scum trait.

VOTE: insomnia
I think this is better right now though if you can vouch his self-meta from earlier.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Highly based on your entry, but also reinforced by you not really doing anything townie. I've seen town hectic do awesome analysis, ain't seeing it now.

What games have you read of mine?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I'm also feeling good about Minstrel

-TL

dude's a LAMISTer, Minstrel deserves no vest because only scum LAMIST

-TL

You've expressed reads on us, so why did you abstain, TL? Also, what changed between those two posts, and where did we LAMIST?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

what the flipping zero is a toneread?

that means you strongly townread me because you "toneread me scum" right?

-TL

I should probably SR chemist for the transparent pocketing tbh

-TL

what the flipping zero is a toneread?

that means you strongly townread me because you "toneread me scum" right?

-TL

what tbh

you scumread my tone, therefore you think I'm a solid pick for the townblock, therefore you're trying to pocket me because you're scum.

-TL

Are you JK Rowling here? Why would you get the impression Chemist is townreading you based on scumreading your tone?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Hectic was a 1-shot unlynchable 1-shot bulletproof Jester in a recent game. In which I town-read them for being too scummy to be scum.

Ha, I still managed to get lynched day 2 and day 4. That was a really fun game.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

My problem with insomnia here is that he shaded our slot and argued against pro-Not Guilty Rau for quite a while during the trial, but I don't actually see a single

reason

for him thinking we're scum. What about my entrance did you dislike, insomnia?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

"Not really liking Hectic's vote on me, I feel like he could've focused on literally anyone else, I was gone for a few months. I feel like he wanted to impress me somehow by voting me. It doesn't have the sort of RVS vibe to it.

I've also only played one game with Hectic, so him saying that makes me roll my eyes in my head."

Really? It was a RVS vote in every way. I even made a stupid gambler's fallacy joke to go along with it. So you took that vote seriously?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Also, I didn't like that after you voted me, you turned to talk with your other head, which I thought was weird.

I always do some of this when I'm hydraing.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

What do you mean by "I feel like he wanted to impress me somehow by voting me."? This is my first game with you since my first game on-site, so I RVS voted you and made a dumb joke to go along with it. I'm struggling to understand your thought process here.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Interesting, I think I understand where you're coming from a little better now. You were scum in the previous game btw, so it'd be weird to acknowledge you had decent scum-hunting off of that lul.

@Rau: What's the point of hydraing if you don't argue with and deathtunnel your partner at some point?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

VOTE: DreamingLich

[Minstrel]

Norwee, don't be afraid to take the reigns at vote someone else at any point. Save your scumread on me till tomorrow.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I agree, Hectic is playing very scummy. Not liking this.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

You've been lucky with how Judge Powers has acted so far tbh. Last time I played with him, I had to go stare at the abyss and have it stare back at me to wipe myself clean of that trauma.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Save your scumread on me till tomorrow.

Too late friend.
Although it's noted, i'll probably take the reign at some point. Think of me as a benign cancer that isn't too bothersome at first, but slowly but surely i will grow and completely absorb all your individuality and turn you into ME.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Well, generally, high level scum players are also high level town players. The better your town game becomes, the better your scum game becomes as well. I know I would fear a good scum player if I'm opposing him as either alignment.

Fair enough.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Save your scumread on me till tomorrow.

Too late friend.
Although it's noted, i'll probably take the reign at some point. Think of me as a benign cancer that isn't too bothersome at first, but slowly but surely i will grow and completely absorb all your individuality and turn you into ME.

- Norwee

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Why did you abstain? You were strongly opinionated about us the whole phase so I got the impression you were gonna pick a direction.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

You've expressed reads on us, so why did you abstain, TL? Also, what changed between those two posts, and where did we LAMIST?

-Hectic

I've left the jury vote decision to my other head.

You LAMISTed in basically every post during your trial, going on about how you're Not Guilty. Since you're now governed/acquitted I can't mess with you.

Also your naked vote on me is disturbing...

-TL

Why leave it your other head if you read us as scum? Also, could you address the scumreading tone=townread thing?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

The way Icon acknowledged that he overreacts as town and told me "fair enough" pings me for some reason. Can't exactly articulate why but it might be because of the change in tone? He was fired up and defensive when insomnia attacked him, but then kinda limp when I did. Different reasons though I suppose.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Liking Insomnia less and less.
I don't remember who Hectic is voting, but i think we should be voting here. A gun and a rose has been playing towny. His reason for scumreading them is off.
VOTE: Insomnia

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Liking Insomnia less and less.
I don't remember who Hectic is voting, but i think we should be voting here. A gun and a rose has been playing towny. His reason for scumreading them is off.
VOTE: Insomnia

- Norwee

What’s been towny about us, norway?

-rose

Initial posts weren't all that great, but i'm liking your (mena's) input in the later posts. I remember scum!you usually taking a backseat. As for Datisi i don't think she'd bring up the points about me "playing scummily as town" during the trial if she was scum. Since that's usually not a point scum would care about bringing up.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I just don't agree at all with Insomnia's points about why A gun and a rose are scum.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Based on which games? I don’t think that’s my scum game at all and the meta you’re working with is oudated if you think it is

Why would datisi not bring up those points and why would scum not care to bring it up? She’s a smart scum player as demonstrated in multiple games and wouldn’t go for lhf “this looks scummy” stuff because it’s too obvious to get caught for so why wouldn’t she make that point?

-rose

Meta read based on the open game with Nibbui/Volpe, you and The worst as the scumteam. Where i remember you playing like that.
I don't know Datisi's scumplay but i'm assuming she has a relatively stable town meta? If not i might be reading her wrong.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

The worst

Sorry, i meant Wicked.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

since you are into meta, would it help if I proved to you via past games that my super defensive reaction comes from town!Ico? Would you reconsider?

Yeah, some links pls.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80583

A mini normal, the fun/relevant stuff starts at around post 1.000

Alisae repped into a slot, and I get into a similar situation here where i feel i'm being pushed unfairly/by scum.

Spicey note tho: it was T/T

So if your meta example was TvT, why are you so confident on insomnia flipping scum?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

What is your vote achieving if it's placed on someone that you disagree with? Like are you gonna lynch me for not having the same opinion as you?

I would like some examples where scum have pushed Iconeum based on meta before, when you wake up, please.

My vote isn't on you purely because "I disagree with you". I think that Icon is being pushed for things that appear bad but are actually NAI.

And I never said that. I said he'd be pushed for things that aren't scum indicative but look bad.

-gun

By "look bad", you means things that could be scum-indicative but are actually NAI for Ico, right? Have you seen insomnia play with Ico before to scumread insomnia for that?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Liking Insomnia less and less.
I don't remember who Hectic is voting, but i think we should be voting here. A gun and a rose has been playing towny. His reason for scumreading them is off.
VOTE: Insomnia

- Norwee

Lul, we have some discussing to do in the PT, Norwee.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Yeah, my Ico Town read was based on him freeflowing his thoughts like that.

Pedit: yes, things that are either specifically NAI to Ico or NAI in general but can be pushed as anti-town. And not sure what you mean by that? I haven't played in a game with Ico and Insomnia. (haven't played with insomnia at all)

-gun

Basically, I think Ico is looking like scum but apparently those things are NAI for specifically him. If insomnia has no way of knowing this, why do you scumread him for it? Unless you think Ico's behaviour so far is NAI

in general

for all players.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

For the record though, I think Ico's probably town here, mostly from his tone. I'm negotiating with Norwee right now to queue up a vote on Gose.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I do have an answer to that.

Go on...

-insomnia

[Minstrel]

Whoops, that was actually unintentional lol.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Hectic is actually scum, but i am town aligned. It's another fun little gimmick Korina came up with. Yin Yang orb hydra.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

@Hectic

As said, I've seen Icon getting shitpushed by scum before. I'm going to jump in.

What's your actual read on him right now?

-gun

Townreading his tone at the moment, like in 995. Like, his constant insistence this is just town!ico and to check his meta for proof feels genuine. Haven't actually metaed him yet but will do that later.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Hectic is actually scum, but i am town aligned. It's another fun little gimmick Korina came up with. Yin Yang orb hydra.

- Norwee

Oi. As long as you don't find a way to vote my head specifically, I'm bringing you down with me. Norwee has no proof of this btw, but he's convinced my thoughts are scum-indicative in our PT.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

In fact.

JAIL: Norwee

Sorry, enough was enough.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Right, why does ico look like scum to you?

-rose

Because of how defensive he got when he was first pressured by insomnia; felt like an overreaction. Then he suddenly wasn't fired up when I pointed that out and kinda accepted it. But since then, his constant insistence has felt more towny.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I don't get where all this rage is coming from, rose. You've just spent a lot of time complaining rather than actually trying to engage with the opinions/content that's already out there. Honestly, I'm scumreading your slot but I know I've been wrong about you before. 1071 is what I'd call a "big *s i g h*" tbh.

Talk to me about DreamingLich; I think that slot has potential for scum and hasn't really had the attention it deserves.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

You know i'm really starting to like this Fonz guy. And Hectic tells me he actually thinks Gun and a Rose slot might be scum in the hydra pt.
Hmmm...

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I literally made a YouTube playlist that is just 27 different versions of Africa including covers, remixes and foreign language versions.

Link or death pls

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Ok, think I figured out large games on D1.

I am not gonna do shit and someone just point me to who is scum.

Then the real game starts D2.

Gun and Rose and DreamingLich are good votes.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I'm not sure I townread rose for that tantrum. I don't really know why anyone would get that upset in a bastard cult game.

Seems like someone didn't realize what they signed up for.
Either that or it's manufactured drama.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Mena totally unredeemed the slot for me.
Bring back gun please. Rose is too hardcore for me.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

anyone got spicy drew meta?

He's dangerous. I'd keep a close eye on him. Not sure if I told this story here, but he once got half of the playerlist in a game to switch their avatars to varying pictures of Doctor Drew.
Basically, he's a cult leader even when he doesn't roll cult leader.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I wrote this after insom meme’d about me claiming to be the goat, then decided it might be ott and I asked dats if it was too harsh/overly arrogant and she said she thought it was okay, so I’m posting it:

If anyone of you, hectic, fonz, chem, vault is town then you’re playing badly and that’s just how it is and I’m within my rights to be frustrated by it

Sadly I doubt that that’s exactly all the scum, which implies at least one and probably more than one town player is playing notably badly and it’s annoying to be on the flip side of it

And you know what, yeah, there is a pretty good case to be made for following me because I provably catch scum on D1 and that’s verifiable looking at my games. I don’t do it every game, and I’m not saying I don’t make mistakes, but my reads are p fucking good and it’s dumb to not listen to them. I’m also pretty good at consistently defending mislynch bait slots when town are trying to lynch them

Whereas I don’t know jackshit about your reads or if they’re any good, but the fact you’re pushing mislynch bait and aren’t reading me as town isn’t exactly giving me good feels about them if you are town, but equally it’s as well explained by you being scum

-rose

nice ego

Nice brain

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Oh no.
Btw Korina, Norwee and I are waiting on our role PMs. You know what I'm talking about.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

First.
VOTE: Gose

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

insomnia has been dayvig'd

Korina, you villain. You could have short anyone, but you chose to shoot Insomnia with the AJAX toy gun.
smh.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Why, you don't think they're scum, Korina? Or are they part of your cult???

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Gun scumreading insomnia and I because we were pushing Icon for stuff that is scummy (like being defensive and overreacting), but apparently NAI for Icon, but how were we supposed to know that? Doesn't make us scummy if we don't have meta with him. And then Rose's tantrum is way over the top.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Rose tantrum starts at #1070, yea?

Yeah.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Though the way Gun was talking about Norwee earlier was a little more towny, unless she's faking the paranoia.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

vc

[Minstrel]

You missed our vote, Korina.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

(Gose is my nickname for Gun and Rose.)

I mean, I don't think it's much subtler than "Obum".

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Lul, I might have a look at that game after I get some sleep. I think most of the votes after mine were revotes that were removed after the insomnia flip vote reset.

Not sure what to make of Korina hard defending them. Cult equity definitely up, but not sure about scum/town equity. Maybe they're SK.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Yea, I couldn't tell who it was meant to be on. I roughly figured it was AGAAR, but I couldn't tell, so I didn't count it.

Can it be retroactively added? I want to be first on the wagon. It gets crowded and uncomfortable when you're further down.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Once again Hectic, I'm the CL. Why would I hard defend my cultist?

I don't get what you mean by that. Why wouldn't you hard defend your cultists? Because we'd suspect them even more?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

UGH. Changing accounts to post is so lame.
Anyway a lot of lies being tossed around it seems. So you get a little bit desensitized to the game y'know. Nothing to really trust now is there? Interesting to see Korina hinting about someone potentially controlling their actions, that would make sense. But then again, could just be a lie.
-_(=v=)_-

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Don't blame me for this. You're the one that drugged me and put me here.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Sry i’m lazy.

Signed Norwee

[Minstrel]

I'd also note that I probably should have assumed that DEB would vote Guilty. In the end I guess it's NAI for them.

This happened?

VOTE: Dr. Easy Bake

4 others voted Guilty too, so why specifically that guy?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

UGH. Changing accounts to post is so lame.

That's why you use a different browser for this account.



-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Sumuh, should've voted Guilty to skip to day 2.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

cold take: Chemist has no post restriction of any kind and the mod warning is a red herring

-TL

Only one way to find out.
Eh?

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

lul I thought those posts were joking around

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

i can share my alignment if you guys want, whatever good that will do

so you're saying your alignment may not be town? please do say what it is.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Also Minstrel you look pretty today.

Thanks! I'm Mario. Still not entirely sure whether Norwee is the Jigglypuff or the Kirby. What do you think of Norwee this game? I think he's scum because his claim of having a wincon where "he has to lynch his other hydra head" (me) without lynching himself is pretty sus.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

We're town.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I can think of some reasons for why you're asking people to do this, Froza, but they involve some very bastard roles.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

i can share my alignment if you guys want, whatever good that will do

Zeebu, why'd you make a big deal of claiming your alignment if you're town? Isn't everyone gonna claim town this game by default?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Oh, I see. are you allowed to say what your post restriction is?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

So you can't give reasons/elaborate on your town/scumreads either? that's gonna be a pain to read you.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Pretty sure Jackson has some kind of condition that forces her to say she’s posting to gain access to her ISO every 3 days or something.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Honestly it’s more fun to hunt for "what does your weird meme role force you to do" condition rather than scum hunting tbh.

[Minstrel]

Anyway i’m pretty sure Hectic is scum. And i’ll be voting him in the hydra PT soon. Let’s see what he flips.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I don't get this zeebu wagon. He posts an intentionally scummy/baity first post, gets some votes and then claims a scummy post restriction? I don't see him doing that as scum. Or at least, it's a lot less likely for scum to do it. Scum doesn't need to make up an excuse of a post restriction if they want to avoid giving out many reads. It's a 21 player meme game; most people already aren't.
The post restriction can probably come from any alignment though, considering the nature of this game. But the reasons for the wagon are NAI.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

I tried to whisper korina, chkflip, and the jury and the mod straight up said no lolol

Try whispering to Amrun.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

This is for your own good.
VOTE: A gun and a rose

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

did you just spout a bunch of mathy gobbledygook in order to say that as non-scum roles are sorted out the rest of the people have a higher chance of being scum...?

Lmao.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Not to mention that on top of all of this this is a bastard fucking game that no one should have taken seriously in the first place and which I had no intention of doing but ended up slipping into when all I originally wanted was to meme with datisi in peace in our pt

Mena you're in that weird position where you're aware that this game is completely fucked, yet somehow angry that people aren't taking it seriously.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Ey, quote bros.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I just realized we require 12 votes to lynch. Meanwhile we got two competing wagons both on 6. We really need to decide on a lynch soon.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Ew furries. That's disgusting.
Now if you'd excuse me i've got some urgent reading to do.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Just lynch AGAAR already.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

wait why this game has 2 deadlines?! the one under the latest vote counts are different

the fuck is going on

which one is true?

You gullible fool. Did you really think the mod would be honest about deadlines? Or did you think there wouldn’t be a time manipulator role? Hahahaha.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I don’t buy this frustration from AGAAR, seems very fake.

[Minstrel]

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Frozen Angel explained her thought process very well so i don’t understand why Mena is so pissy.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Rose can you learn to use spoilers omg.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I'm still for lynching AGAAR based on his Radiantcowbell's ripoff play.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Watch out. We got a badass over here.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

So all those deaths and we don't even get to see a single flip. This is so super lame.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

We're literally just playing day 1 over again. I hoped some flips would re-energize my interest in this game. But we hit a lynchproof and get no flips. Fuckety fuck.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Hey, whoever rolled that GIM invention is lame.

Can you tell me who the asshole scum player that removed flip information is, so i can lynch him?

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Can we lynch the Goose?

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Also, the guy who was lynchproof, did he claim he was lynchproof?

They didn't.

[Minstrel]

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I’m here.
Hectic is a very lazy boi though. He can’t stand the thread after i exposed and lynched him as scum in our hydra PT.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

VOTE: Chemist
Gotta get you lynched tbh.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I’m here.
Hectic is a very lazy boi though. He can’t stand the thread after i exposed and lynched him as scum in our hydra PT.

- Norwee

Did you get a message?

The goose left us a message.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Ok time to hard Claim!

I’m this -) https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Of_Its_Ass

That's some of the funniest shit i've seen in a good while.
Thank you for that link.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

There was a trial thing on D1 started by Korina and some unknown people, then we got judged not guilty and became lynchproof. But it was for day 1 only i think.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Oh. Well i haven’t been showing that much attention lmao.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

There's a resurrection mechanic. Can't say it's too much of a surprise, but damn. I guess the dead thread has a lot of useful information that can make us form an actual strategy by this point.

[Minstrel]

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I think Minstrel's been culted. He still had not outed me as conftown.

Isn't conf!town a bit of a strong word? I mean the goose told us you're town in a pm, but this is a game called "EVERYTHING IS A LIE" so it's fair to take stuff with a grain of salt.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I think Minstrel's been culted. He still had not outed me as conftown.

Isn't conf!town a bit of a strong word? I mean the goose told us you're town in a pm, but this is a game called "EVERYTHING IS A LIE" so it's fair to take stuff with a grain of salt.

- Norwee

You still should have outed the friendly neighbor message you got. Your activity level has changed. It was also an event and my understanding is those are not lies.

My plan all along was always to let Hectic take the steering wheel while i shitpost.

[Minstrel]

Also people get resurrected so how the f is this game even supposed to end?

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I'm starting to wonder if this game is an eternal wheel of torture Korina devised for us. In quest for creating misery and hatred in the world.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

VOTE: Vaultdweller

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

I don't plan on playing but (full disclosure) my presence serves a very very particular function for one sole player in the game that is neither mafia, nor cult, nor jester, etc. My function is to assist them and that's literally all I plan to do. The fact that I've said anything here at all is an olive branch. Don't waste your time with me.

Thanks, man. It's good to know you're here looking out for me.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Rau, my old friend, could you give me a brief summary of what I missed? Haven't read anything since middle of day 2.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

W.r.t. the questions, we should probably try asking questions with binary answers (e.g. yes or no questions). That way, if we can figure out which answer is the truth we automatically know the answers to the other questions. Some suggestions:

- Are there any other factions still alive except for Town, Mafia and Cult?
- Is there a player alive who is still able to actively recruit members to the cult faction?

These questions are being rejected, due to only having one truthful answer, and one dishonest answer.

YOU WASTED TWO QUESTIONNNNSSS~
Lynch-worthy tbh.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

That is... 14 modifiers too many. I'm not gonna understand anything mechanics related this game, am I?

Titus, Rau, and Misty; could you each give me your top scumread and I'll go ISO them.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

That trial was RIGGED!

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

We were robbed of our lynch yesterday. Who is responsible for this mess. (The answer is always: Korina.)
VOTE: Vaultdweller

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

KORINA. Vote count plz. I'm too lazy to count. TNX.

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Baker isn't an island

Baker is a man

A man with desire

And quite the span

-Hectic (Sorry, budget's running low)

[Minstrel]

Hi

Rhymes with pie

Bye

- Norwee

[Minstrel]

Best poets in town.

- Norwee