Mini 2123: Greatest Idea IX - Game Over

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VOTE: sircakez

Too much sugar ain't good for you

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If I had the choice of a scum role, I would have picked it.

Sadly, I did not roll a single alignment other than town in all three setups. It's quite distressing, actually.
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Can you tell me what cards you rolled in the other two setups?

As it stands, I do not believe that you didn't roll scum in any setup.

I agree. The chances of that are so slim

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I'm always sus about people who dont read the setup

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So far in my town pile are EP and TL

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So far in my town pile are EP and TL

Elaborate on those reads.

EP has been game solving- something I consider town sided

TL has done so to a lesser extent and was the first to do so

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I turned down Cop for reasons.

Please elaborate

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Has anyone played with anyone else from this game in other games?

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I've never played this setup before and I dont have a sense of setup specs.
I think Ive played with TL before but that's about it

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Please be careful. This is a
Very important game
Role madness can benefit scum

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In that case Nom Imh's vote is very much trying to line a mislynch on me.

And also managed to force a claim out of me so I could save myself at the last minute

VOTE: Nom Imh

Is Nom Imh a noob?

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The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

@GlowingOvineChimes,

@BBmolla

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@Non Imh

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@Yshtola Rhul

You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.
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I used town retired marine for alignment

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I dont think we need to have more claims this early in the day

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If I had the choice of a scum role, I would have picked it.

Sadly, I did not roll a single alignment other than town in all three setups. It's quite distressing, actually.
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Can you tell me what cards you rolled in the other two setups?

As it stands, I do not believe that you didn't roll scum in any setup.

I agree. The chances of that are so slim

Why do you think Yshtola Rhul would lie about this? This is posed to both EspressoPatronum and GlowingOvineChimes.

If he were scum, he could very well lie.

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Has anyone played with anyone else from this game in other games?

I have played with TrueSoulEnergy, Kerset, and TemporalLich previously. What are you intending to get out of this question?

Hoping I could get some meta insight from people who have played with others.

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If he were scum, he could very well lie.

This is true. However, if she were Town she could also lie. I was wanting you to tell me your thoughts on why you think that she

would

lie. What benefit does it give her?

What do you hope to glean from this line of questioning?

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If he were scum, he could very well lie.

This is true. However, if she were Town she could also lie. I was wanting you to tell me your thoughts on why you think that she

would

lie. What benefit does it give her?

What do you hope to glean from this line of questioning?

Your intent behind supporting EspressoPatronum's thoughts with regard to the probability of this occurring, and the genuineness of your thought process as to why Yshtola Rhul would lie.

I will note that you have attempted to dodge my question by asking a question of your own. Would you please answer?

If I were scum, what better lie to give than "all my roles were town"? If all your roles are town then there is no way to be scum. It could be as simple as that

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Bloody night

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Just a request to not end this day early...we are already down 3 town

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Of the people on the non imh wagon, I think sircakez, UT and CSF are the most likely to be mafia

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Well at least we agree on UT

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Well at least we agree on UT

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Well at least we agree on UT

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Sorry for the double post

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TL could also just be gambitting scum betting that with so many town dead they can pull off an easy mislynch
Caution wouldn't hurt here

Agreed

We need to slowwwwww down guys
We can't let scum coast away with this game

I'd like to hear from everyone before putting my vote down

Espresso?

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We know there is an alien bloodsucker as a role from titus being treestumped

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TL could also just be gambitting scum betting that with so many town dead they can pull off an easy mislynch
Caution wouldn't hurt here

Agreed

We need to slowwwwww down guys
We can't let scum coast away with this game

I'd like to hear from everyone before putting my vote down

Espresso?

I would like to hear your thoughts beyond this sentiment. This is the second time you have stated it. What do you think now that there is a possible guilty on Cat Scratch Fever, and that Untrod Tripod has claimed the kill on Titus?

Im trying to wrap my head around this- UT is basically claiming alien bloodsucker...why would he do this?

Also CSF was supposedly seen visiting Yshtola but his action was also blocked...so confused

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Oh I didn't realize bloodsucker could be town

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UT, why did you bloodsucker titus?

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TL is flailing scum

Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?

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Actually, same question for pinkball

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Ok I'm fairly convinced that pinkball and suki are both town

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I'm also fairly confident that espresso is town

UT I still think is scum

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VOTE: untrod tripod

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More convinced about you than pinkball tbh but you have a healthy amount of suspicion which in my experience is a very town way to be...its actually how I am as well. It's much harder for me as town to pinpoint town so there is always an uncertainty in my reads.

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VOTE: untrod tripod

There is very necessarily one Mafia member between TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Why are you voting outside of this currently?

Explain to me again why this MUST be so. Is there no scenario in which they can both be town?

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VOTE: untrod tripod

There is very necessarily one Mafia member between TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Why are you voting outside of this currently?

Explain to me again why this MUST be so. Is there no scenario in which they can both be town?

TemporalLich watched Ysthola Rhul who died last night. He states that he saw Cat Scratch Fever visit, and does not state that he saw anyone else visit. This implies that Cat Scratch Fever is the only player to have visited Yshtola Rhul the night she died. So:

1. TemporalLich is telling the truth. This means that Cat Scratch Fever must have killed Yshtola Rhul. There was
   no reason for a Town-aligned role to target Yshtola
   Rhul with a kill last night as opposed to a player such as Titus, which Untrod Tripod has stated he killed. This, of course, does not mean Untrod Tripod is necessarily Town, but it is enough that he is not the focus for today.
   
2. TemporalLich is lying. As Town, TemporalLich has no reason to lie. So, if he is lying he must be Mafia (or non-Town aligned).
   • Pink Ball claims to have roleblocked Cat Scratch Fever last night which means either Cat Scratch Fever is a Strongman-role and #1 above is true or Cat Scratch Fever is not a Strongman-role and #2 is true

Either way, it does not make sense to lynch outside of TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Given TemporalLich's failure to claim his guilty until I prompted him on who he watched (which I believe he took as an implication that he believed me to have a result of some sort on him), and his behavior since then, I believe he is the best initial option.

I'm still not convinced that a non-town role was the only role that could have targeted YR. Didn't he have votes on him yesterday?

The reason that I am targeting outside of those two is because of the wifom and chaos that is going on in the thread which is only benefitting mafia

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The best thing for us to do as town, especially in a role madness game like this is to keep an open mind and try and think of ALL of the possibilities

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But I'm cuter


And a lot less gruff <3

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I will probably vote there as well but I would like to hear from Espresso as well

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I guess he's not really paying attention .

Sorry pink ball!

And as for bovine chimes, they are far superior and baaaaaaad

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Autocorrect changed ovine to bovine and ruined that joke

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I am so not comfortable with L-1 so early in the day

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Is there any possibility we could be in mylo?

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With 3 nks and possible hiders etc we could lose the game with a mislynch, no?

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Let's assume that there are 2 factions and one vig to account for the 3 nks, who would be the top 3 targets for the big, in no particular order?

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I'm trying to think beyond just today

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Scum I'm sure has a strategy. Town needs a strategy as well

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Classic paranoia: you catch scum early in the day, but you want to over extend and giving scum space to do their thing.

Fucking hammer, even TL dropped off 'cause he has given enough info (one confscum, one obvscum, two conf not partners and one obvtown)

Am I the obvscum?

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Pinkball, it's strange to me that you think I'm obvscum when I'm clearly concerned about mislynches and not ending the day early

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No Action is a convenient fakeclaim

This does seem unlikely in a role madness game

CSF- why did you pick a role that has no night action or conversely why did you not use a night action N1? In this game, you are so likely to be nked N1 that I would think you would want to use your ability

Please elaborate

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Hope it works out!

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2 for 2!!!

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Thinking espresso might be scum tbh

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I didn't like the way he disappeared. It would make sense if he were scum that he wouldnt want to chime in nor hammer

Btw, way to go town! We now know we have mafia and werewolves and the third party is dead, so likely one more of each

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Any night actions prove helpful from anyone?

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Nice job, PB! What made you choose her?

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Did you decide to take your gf back to Chile with you?

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Not sure why there were no scum kills but if it was due to a protective- good job! Keep it up!

As for my reads today, I think suji and CSF are definitely town, kerset and pb are most likely town so that leaves espresso and sircakez as scum

Thoughts?

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Also, anyone good at VCA?

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Also, anyone good at VCA?

ME! What do we need? Estimated time of completion 14 hours. Most of the delay is sleeping and work.

To find the most likely partners for untrod tripod and TL please

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I agree with PB

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Let's finish popcorn plz

Kerset?

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CSF your avatar is soooooo adorable <3<3

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Town Retired Marine
Town Vigilante
Vanilla Townie

Discarded VT
Used Town alignment from retired marine
Took town vigilante

Shot BBMolla on N1
Shot Untrod Tripod N2

Sircakez you're up

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@kerset did you use your shot?

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Nvm I thought you were 1 shot vig I misread

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I agree! Dayvig CSF

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I think CSF is a werekitty, I mean werewolf

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I think they are

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I can prove I'm vig. I crumbled it right before BBMolla noticed and voted me

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That's why I shot him N1. Why else would anyone have shot him?

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Please be careful. This is a

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Role madness can benefit scum

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Happy birthday!!!!!

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I have never been in a game with multi ball and only one member in a faction

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I think we go after Suji or GOC next?

Why suji?

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I'm also still thinking EP might be scum. He says hes a rolecop but if he were mafia, he would know who is town and everyone just revealed their roles so hes Scott free

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Same. Titus, could you please do a VCA and tell us who you think is most likely TL's partner?

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That's great. If game hasn't ended Id suggest lynching the baby seal and if THAT doesn't ends the game then at least it becomes nightless allegedly and we let EP target everyone

How does the game become nightless?

There was only one kill last night, claimed by the baby seal.

We could also no lynch today, I roleblock baby seal and let the investigators get more info. I trust EP; he could tell us if someone is lying about their roles.

Then we could have him check me, because honestly a town vig is very beneficial for town

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Could there not have been another unclaimed shot at the same target?

Mafia shooting UT? That would be stupid, but yeah sure they could have

Why would it be stupid for mafia to shoot UT?

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Tbh mafia aligned RB would be absolute bomb this game. Why is PB town again?

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Titus might as well full claim, too. We know she's town, but knowing her alignment card could possibly help us down the line.

Didn't micc give her full role at the flip?

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I'd say the best course of action is no lynching today and asking Ovine to shoot EP; if EP flips town, we lynch her. But I'm a little impatient and I'd rather lynch Ovine today 'cause I think she's the remaining scum. At least PT called CSF out so he got that going for him.

VOTE: GlowingOvineChimes

Let me shoot EP tonight and you can lynch me tomorrow

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Or better yet, let's lynch EP. Game over

VOTE: Espresso Patronum

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PB if you think I'm mafia then RB me so that people can check my role and alignment

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I knoooooowwwwww I really know we should go for the safe game but that's so not funnnnn and Ovine is being soooooo survivalisticcccc I just want to be right and lynch herrrrrrr

Well if you lynch me you wont be rightttttttt

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So BBmolla claimed survivor, voted literally only TL and Ovine in the entire game and got nightkilled? By a vig????

Lol

BBMolla READ MY CRUMB! Why are you so tunneled right now? If I an the last mafia, where is my interaction with my TL, my mafia partner? If you lynch me, THE GAME WILL not be over.

So let's take a step back and think- who is mafia other than GOC? Because when you lyncb me today, that's the question you'll need to answer still tonorrow

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You're really starting to piss me off and you're doing Jack shit for town continuing with the logic that I'm scum. Stop helping the bad guys

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If we no lynch today, what stops scum from not killing at night to "prove" that I am the last scum? That puts us right back where we started tomorrow. Honestly, I'd rather be lynched than have a no lynch because that at least gives more information

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Cant EP lie about sujis role?

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I'm still for lynching someone today, there are too many possibilities

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If EP lies then EP gets lynched after Suji...

How will we know hes lying?

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And what if he claims you're a watcher, as you've already claimed but hes actually mafia? I mean I can say I'm a rolecop right now if I'm scum and I can tell you what everyone's role is because weve already claimed.

Does that make sense?

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I feel like I'm not understanding something

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I mean, of course EP would say you're watcher, just like he'd say I'm vigilante and PB is RB and so on, right?

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I guess your theory works if it assumes EP is town

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(My theory is either Ovine is the remaining mafia or one between Suji/EP is

the alien

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This would explain why it's hard to make partner connections

Anyway, I'll go with the plan

VOTE: no lynch

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PB if you vote NL we have enough

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Thank you so much, Micc!

Great learning experience and I thoroughly enjoyed it!

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Ya me too tbh... town didn't deserve a win here