Mini 2123: Greatest Idea IX - Game Over

[EspressoPatronum]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola Rhul

You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.

Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.

[Titus]

Espresso, why no comment on Cakes discard?

[SirCakez]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola Rhul

You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.

Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.

Espresso what's the point of this line of questioning? Pretty easy to BS what card you used for alignment no?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VT, Alien Sympathiser

Did you only have 1 VT?

in that setup where I discarded VT? No.

In all Setups.

If you can't gather that I got more than one VT across all setups by me saying I got more than one setup in the setup I discarded VT...your thought streamer isn't working

ebwop: I got more than one VT in the setup I discarded VT

I don’t understand this.
I don’t see where you mentioned getting more then 1 VT.
And I think your bullshitting because I only gotten 1 VT card and it was in this setup.

VOTE: TL
I don’t like your entrance here.
It’s bad.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Upon further reflection, the Alpha WW discard by CSE isn't as good as I initially thought it was. It's only good as a role if you pair it with a WW alignment card. WW Alpha is redundant in every other case bcz non-WWs don't appear guilty to seers.

I don't think it's a bad discard, but I no longer think it's a +town discard. I'd lump it in with the other scum discards.

Just for the future.
It’s CSF.
(Cat Scratch

Fever

)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’ll Town Read Espresso for having a similar thought process.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oh @Espresso

I think Titus had a interesting discard too.
But at the same time it’s questionable.

They discarded Alien Bulletproof Lover.
I’m wondering why exactly they chose to discard it.
Like Town Bulletproof Lover. Is like really good.

[Micc]

Votecount 1.01

TemporalLich (4) -

Kerset, BBmolla, SirCakez, TrueSoulEnergy

TrueSoulEnergy (2) -

TemporalLich, Sujimichi

SirCakez (1) -

GlowingOvineChimes

Kerset (1) -

Non lmh

Not Voting (5) -

Titus, EspressoPatronum, Untrod Tripod, Yshtola Rhul, Cat Scratch Fever

With 13 players alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-03-21 02:15:00).

[Titus]

Oh @Espresso

I think Titus had a interesting discard too.
But at the same time it’s questionable.

They discarded Alien Bulletproof Lover.
I’m wondering why exactly they chose to discard it.
Like Town Bulletproof Lover. Is like really good.

Not in my hands. Plus, Lover is really bad if someone you scumreads gets it too.

[EspressoPatronum]

Espresso, why no comment on Cakes discard?

[...]
I don't think [CSF'd discard is] a bad discard, but I no longer think it's a +town discard. I'd lump it in with the

other scum discards

.

I've been looking at most of the scum discards as roughly the same - etter than a town discard but not necessarily AI. Kerset's jumped out as +town though because it would be an amazing scum ability for maf/WW/SK but less useful for town.

If I had to rank the others in terms of how much I like them, I'd say:
Great:
Kerset - SK alien immune

Good:
TL - WW tracker
Cake - WW cop

Null:
Suji - maf goon
CSF - alpha WW

Bad/not useful for our info:
Titus - alien BP lover
UT - hirsute maf goon

[EspressoPatronum]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola Rhul

You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.

Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.

Espresso what's the point of this line of questioning? Pretty easy to BS what card you used for alignment no?

Per Micc's setup, there's a limited card pool. By asking your alignment cards, I'm asking you to commit to certain cards. This necessarily eliminates those cards from others' claims +/ will put people in counterclaim scenarios.

Easy if you're telling the truth, but much more difficult if you're lying. If it's the latter, we may be able to catch people with it later on the game.

[EspressoPatronum]

Oh @Espresso

I think Titus had a interesting discard too.
But at the same time it’s questionable.

They discarded Alien Bulletproof Lover.
I’m wondering why exactly they chose to discard it.
Like Town Bulletproof Lover. Is like really good.

I read up on lovers in Greatest Idea on the maf wiki... if my understanding is correct, ALL people with the lover modifier get matched together.

I'm any case, I had a lover draw in I think setup A + I chose to discard it. Imo, with so many potential kills every night, lovers become even worse that normal games.

[EspressoPatronum]

Upon further reflection, the Alpha WW discard by CSE isn't as good as I initially thought it was. It's only good as a role if you pair it with a WW alignment card. WW Alpha is redundant in every other case bcz non-WWs don't appear guilty to seers.

I don't think it's a bad discard, but I no longer think it's a +town discard. I'd lump it in with the other scum discards.

Just for the future.
It’s CSF.
(Cat Scratch

Fever

)

Good catch. Thanks!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oh @Espresso

I think Titus had a interesting discard too.
But at the same time it’s questionable.

They discarded Alien Bulletproof Lover.
I’m wondering why exactly they chose to discard it.
Like Town Bulletproof Lover. Is like really good.

I read up on lovers in Greatest Idea on the maf wiki... if my understanding is correct, ALL people with the lover modifier get matched together.

I'm any case, I had a lover draw in I think setup A + I chose to discard it. Imo, with so many potential kills every night, lovers become even worse that normal games.

Oh.
You don’t choose your lover.
I understand now.

[SirCakez]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola Rhul

You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.

Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.

Espresso what's the point of this line of questioning? Pretty easy to BS what card you used for alignment no?

Per Micc's setup, there's a limited card pool. By asking your alignment cards, I'm asking you to commit to certain cards. This necessarily eliminates those cards from others' claims +/ will put people in counterclaim scenarios.

Easy if you're telling the truth, but much more difficult if you're lying. If it's the latter, we may be able to catch people with it later on the game.

Oh shit I didn't read the setup closely enough. That will be great for scum hunting.

[TemporalLich]

TSE: I got two VT's in the setup where VT was my discard. 33 should tell you I didn't only have one VT on that setup, and it can't be 0 otherwise I wouldn't be able to discard a VT

If you're scumreading me because logic eludes you then you're most likely either scum or won't help in LyLo anyway.

pedit: the alignment card push seems towny

[GlowingOvineChimes]

I'm always sus about people who dont read the setup

[GlowingOvineChimes]

So far in my town pile are EP and TL

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE: I got two VT's in the setup where VT was my discard. 33 should tell you I didn't only have one VT on that setup, and it can't be 0 otherwise I wouldn't be able to discard a VT

If you're scumreading me because logic eludes you then you're most likely

either scum or won't help in LyLo anyway.

pedit: the alignment card push seems towny

I don’t like the way your going about all this.
And what if I said

“Bolded”

actually applies to you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So far in my town pile are EP and TL

Elaborate on those reads.

[TemporalLich]

TSE: I got two VT's in the setup where VT was my discard. 33 should tell you I didn't only have one VT on that setup, and it can't be 0 otherwise I wouldn't be able to discard a VT

If you're scumreading me because logic eludes you then you're most likely

either scum or won't help in LyLo anyway.

pedit: the alignment card push seems towny

I don’t like the way your going about all this.
And what if I said

“Bolded”

actually applies to you.

You do realize there are

13

VT cards in this setup right? It is definitely possible I got two VTs and you got a VT in Setup A (which isn't this setup, otherwise you'd see me having a VT discard).

You trying to "no u" me feels pseudo-OMGUSy because of that

[Untrod Tripod]

vote Yshtola

who the fuck turns down a Town Cop

[EspressoPatronum]

TSE: I got two VT's in the setup where VT was my discard. 33 should tell you I didn't only have one VT on that setup, and it can't be 0 otherwise I wouldn't be able to discard a VT

If you're scumreading me because logic eludes you then you're most likely

either scum or won't help in LyLo anyway.

pedit: the alignment card push seems towny

I don’t like the way your going about all this.
And what if I said

“Bolded”

actually applies to you.

You do realize there are

13

VT cards in this setup right? It is definitely possible I got two VTs and you got a VT in Setup A (which isn't this setup, otherwise you'd see me having a VT discard).

You trying to "no u" me feels pseudo-OMGUSy because of that

FYI - your draws in the other setups do not impact this one:

[...]
[*]Three separate setups will be generated for this game. The setup with the best overall balance between factions will be used as determined by the game moderator.
[*]For each setup, the cards numbered 1-140 in Micc's Great(est) Idea Card List will be shuffled, and three are given to each player. Each card represents an alignment and role.

[Titus]

vote Yshtola

who the fuck turns down a Town Cop

Ask SirCakez too

[SirCakez]

VOTE: TemporalLich
I like all the focus on discarded roles when he hasn't explained himself discarding Tracker.

Why is this still being ignored?