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vote count 4.01

bji (1) - Looker

not voting: Menalque, bji, Micc, Iconeum, Skygazer, bob3141

with 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

This phase ends in (expired on 2020-03-15 08:00:00).


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[Iconeum]

Ill be honest

I stll scumread emps reading back

And i don't scumread micc at all

Uncomfortable lynching there now

[Iconeum]

Bji Bob

Who wants to go first

[bji]

Bji Bob

Who wants to go first

Not sure I understand the question.

[bji]

As for this game to be balanced one of town pr claims has to be scum. Esp considering that we had cop.

Bob would be voting Looker or Ico today if he really meant the quoted text. Slaxx and Datisi flips only strengthen the statement he made above. His scum reads for today don't even have any pr claims in it.

Bob put Slaxx at L-1 and then left him there even when one of this scum reads (Micc) had claimed intent to hammer, and now today he's trying to distance himself from the Slaxx lynch by claiming that he really didn't want the lynch and was going to unvote if given some more time.

[bji]

VOTE: bob3141

[bji]

My brain is fully scrambled at this point.

TRIGGERED

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you doubting that it was late for me and that I had just spent 2+ hours reading ISOs and cross-referencing the main thread and that I was mentally exhausted?

Also, I think the following:

• Scum didn't have to push for Slaxx yesterday because I telegraphed my push ahead of time and then pushed hard. Slaxx also self-voted, closing up availability/necessity (for scum votes)

By this logic no scum ever has to push for any mislynch. Also are you saying that scum could have known that Slaxx was going to self-hammer?

[*]On top of not being a power role, I make good lynch bait today because of yesterday. Not killing me seems like an obvious choice.
[*]I don't expect to make it to lylo, but I think Micc will - he'll be the obvious lynch. I've been trying to find his partner beforehand.[/list]

To be honest there was some exasperation there. I had reasons to want to not lynch Micc, reasons to want to lynch Micc, weak reasons to want to lynch Pine, and reasons to think that neither was a lynch particularly likely to flip scum. I just kinda gave up mentally and sheeped you.

I feel you were encouraged to bus by my comment regarding Micc's partner dancing around his wagon.

I think you have an inflated sense of self-importance.

1. Why would scum kill you instead of a highly town firmed player with a claimed strong role?
2. I don't even recall whatever comment regarding Micc's partner that you are talking about. I can assure you it didn't weigh into any of my decisions yesterday.

It's hard not to sheep you at this point Iconeum. Even yesterday it was hard, but it is harder today. You are pretty universally town read, certainly town read by me, you have made claims that have been verified in several ways, and you've been taking a leadership position. It becomes hard to have any sort of impetus to do more than just sheep you. Like I feel like if I have a contrary viewpoint, unless it's cleared by you, it won't even matter.

Either this is you townpainting a partner to convince everyone else that they're town or you explaining why you shouldn't be held accountable for your actions, but, either way, I'm leery of it.

False dichotomy.

@Bob

how do you feel about Looker today? What about Ico?

How do

YOU

feel about Looker today? Fuck Ico.

Well there was a reason I asked that question. Guess you weren't following. Are you even reading bob?

Back to setup spec, where Slaxx warned us not to go?

Slaxx also wanted us to vote Micc today. He was 100% clear on that. So are you going to vote Micc now? Or do you only pick and choose Slaxx' statements to fit your desired narrative?

[bob3141]

As for this game to be balanced one of town pr claims has to be scum. Esp considering that we had cop.

Bob would be voting Looker or Ico today if he really meant the quoted text. Slaxx and Datisi flips only strengthen the statement he made above. His scum reads for today don't even have any pr claims in it.

Bob put Slaxx at L-1 and then left him there even when one of this scum reads (Micc) had claimed intent to hammer, and now today he's trying to distance himself from the Slaxx lynch by claiming that he really didn't want the lynch and was going to unvote if given some more time.

why would i be going after looker or ico

one looker isnt a town pr. Thats a negative town role intended to balance town if looker is town. And i cant realy see scum looker hammering chemist after a doc claim. There was every chance chemist wagon would break up after that claim. Does scum looker realy hammer his buddy in that situation.

And why does chem stick with bugs vote on looker if all it achieves is trading places with another scum. if looker was scum chem would of gone after wilky.


And when chem/bugs wagon was going on countless times you were actualy shading looker. even if you are pushing a lynch with back hander you are still pushing a lynch.


Second

why would i go after ico. we have 3 flipped town pr rolestopper,roleblocker and cop

now ico is for sure confirmed follower. Slaxx claimed he was roleblocked day 2 as aaron still died. Scum are not goign to have follow/doc/roleblocker

but with ico n2 action i think before datisi even confirmed said menal had been rb.

so scum based on slaxx has 2 pr. town has 3 pr confirmed. based on that its highly likely we have a fourth

[Menalque]

VLA until Sunday pls ducky

[Menalque]

next Sunday, to clarify

[the worst]

ok

[Micc]

is bob ignoring me now?

[Looker]

ico what was your result

How bizarre do you feel it is that Ico got no result?

As for this game to be balanced one of town pr claims has to be scum. Esp considering that we had cop.

Bob would be voting Looker or Ico today if he really meant the quoted text. Slaxx and Datisi flips only strengthen the statement he made above. His scum reads for today don't even have any pr claims in it.

Bob put Slaxx at L-1 and then left him there even when one of this scum reads (Micc) had claimed intent to hammer, and now today he's trying to distance himself from the Slaxx lynch by claiming that he really didn't want the lynch and was going to unvote if given some more time.

VOTE: bob3141

Are you voting him for not placing a vote yet? I see a delay more than an inconsistency.

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you doubting that it was late for me and that I had just spent 2+ hours reading ISOs and cross-referencing the main thread and that I was mentally exhausted?

Potential false disclaimers aside, this is the same justification AaronFrost used to lay down a crappy vote.

By this logic no scum ever has to push for any mislynch. Also are you saying that scum could have known that Slaxx was going to self-hammer?

I'm saying it's highly likely scum remained off wagon. (Unless you're buddies with Ico or Menalque)

I think you have an inflated sense of self-importance.

1. Why would scum kill you instead of a highly town firmed player with a claimed strong role?
2. I don't even recall whatever comment regarding Micc's partner that you are talking about. I can assure you it didn't weigh into any of my decisions yesterday.

I do.

• You're agreeing with me. This is why I'm expecting Ico to die if his claim is true. Do you expect him to survive?
  
• Judging from that vanity wagon, I don't think much weighed into your decision at all

False dichotomy.

If both of my options were incorrect, how would

you

explain the intent of that post?

Well there was a reason I asked that question. Guess you weren't following. Are you even reading bob?

Yes, as my strongest townread. Bob man good.

Slaxx also wanted us to vote Micc today. He was 100% clear on that. So are you going to vote Micc now? Or do you only pick and choose Slaxx' statements to fit your desired narrative?

Yes, I pick and choose. I also explained why I wasn't voting Micc in my vote, but that's cool. You didn't really explain why you were delving back into setup spec, though, but okay.

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• I think it's odd that the only people to have ever voted for Iconeum and bji (excluding myself) have been Menalque and GuiltyLion, respectively. Why wouldn't scum want to push them?
  • Also, how many nights can Ico survive before he becomes suspect?

[Micc]

i reread the whole game prior to my replace in over the course of today and all i accomplished was locktowning menalque. i guess thats progress but yikes this has been a drag.

Looker, talk to me about icon. what are your doubts there and how can i help solve them?

[Micc]

Ftr I think it’s mechanically impossible for icon to be scum, and also that we can trust Datisi’s point that icon is way beyond his scum range.

[bji]

As for this game to be balanced one of town pr claims has to be scum. Esp considering that we had cop.

Bob would be voting Looker or Ico today if he really meant the quoted text. Slaxx and Datisi flips only strengthen the statement he made above. His scum reads for today don't even have any pr claims in it.

Bob put Slaxx at L-1 and then left him there even when one of this scum reads (Micc) had claimed intent to hammer, and now today he's trying to distance himself from the Slaxx lynch by claiming that he really didn't want the lynch and was going to unvote if given some more time.

why would i be going after looker or ico

one looker isnt a town pr. Thats a negative town role intended to balance town if looker is town. And i cant realy see scum looker hammering chemist after a doc claim. There was every chance chemist wagon would break up after that claim. Does scum looker realy hammer his buddy in that situation.

And why does chem stick with bugs vote on looker if all it achieves is trading places with another scum. if looker was scum chem would of gone after wilky.


And when chem/bugs wagon was going on countless times you were actualy shading looker. even if you are pushing a lynch with back hander you are still pushing a lynch.


Second

why would i go after ico. we have 3 flipped town pr rolestopper,roleblocker and cop

now ico is for sure confirmed follower. Slaxx claimed he was roleblocked day 2 as aaron still died. Scum are not goign to have follow/doc/roleblocker

but with ico n2 action i think before datisi even confirmed said menal had been rb.

so scum based on slaxx has 2 pr. town has 3 pr confirmed. based on that its highly likely we have a fourth

Yes I see your point about Looker. I guess when you said you were voting Slaxx because someone in the town claims must be lying you only meant Slaxx and Datisi.

now ico is for sure confirmed follower. Slaxx claimed he was roleblocked day 2 as aaron still died. Scum are not goign to have follow/doc/roleblocker

ico is not for sure confirmed town follower. Everything we've seen this game can be also be explained by Ico being a scum follower and scum having a strongman.

I'm saying it's highly likely scum remained off wagon. (Unless you're buddies with Ico or Menalque)

Why is it more likely that scum stayed off wagon?

You're agreeing with me. This is why I'm expecting Ico to die if his claim is true. Do you expect him to survive?

If Ico is town, then yes, I expect It to die tonight.

Why did you say that you expected yourself to be last night's kill instead of one of the remaining claimed power roles? That's the part I was disagreeing with.

Judging from that vanity wagon, I don't think much weighed into your decision at all

It looked like a Slaxx lynch was inevitable with both Datisi and Micc declaring intent to hammer. And so I tried to find Slaxx' partner, which led me to bob. I already explained all that.

If both of my options were incorrect, how would you explain the intent of that post?

It was an honest attempt to explain to Ico the thought process that led me to vote Pine, which is the question that Ico had asked me to answer.

Yes, I pick and choose. I also explained why I wasn't voting Micc in my vote, but that's cool. You didn't really explain why you were delving back into setup spec, though, but okay.

It should be obvious why I was delving back into setup spec. It's not obvious to me why you think it's ok to cherry pick Slaxx from yesterday to try to discredit me though.

[bji]

Ftr I think it’s mechanically impossible for icon to be scum, and also that we can trust Datisi’s point that icon is way beyond his scum range.

Well I might be dense, but again, why can't Ico be a scum tracker and scum have a strongman?

Why can't that also explain everything?

[Micc]

That requires scum!icon to have risked his very strong position in order to guess what type of action Datisi was using before Datisi had claimed it. There’s basically no upside to that play. Might even call it downside since Combined Tracker Follower is an ambitious claim in a game that already has an informed cop flip.

There’s maybe the argument that follower got tacked on to help justify outing Aaron D2. But if icon is scum and tracks town Aaron somewhere, the play isn’t for icon to jeopardize strong position to get a claim. Just use the strongman nightkill you’re theorizing about to kill the town PR.

[bob3141]

this game seems to have gone quite

VOTE: Bjj

His vote on me last day phase looked blatantly like a vanity vote. My gut is saying that teh slaxx lynch was all town.

bjj suddenly gets a read that lines up with menal and micc. Either he gets me lynched today or he trys to get looker lynched.

with micc and menal also saying they scum read me its quite clear scum are setting up poe they can hope to get lynched.

He even tries to push a little against ico who is confirmed follower. If ico is scum then good call on teh claim. As i cant see scum having a doc with town having role to see it. other wise teh game is no different to if there was no doc. scum doc would have no role other than to give teh cop somethign to think on.

[Micc]

the game is quiet at least in part because you don't want to engage with me about your reads.

what happened to your confidence in scumreading my slot? You were so confident two pages ago that you wished you had ignored icon/datisi day 3.

[Micc]

Mod: I'm traveling and will have limited access to the site from 3/13 to 3/15.

[Looker]

Also, I think the following:

• Scum didn't have to push for Slaxx yesterday because I telegraphed my push ahead of time and then pushed hard. Slaxx also self-voted, closing up availability/necessity (for scum votes)

By this logic no scum ever has to push for any mislynch. Also are you saying that scum could have known that Slaxx was going to self-hammer?

I'm saying it's highly likely scum remained off wagon. (Unless you're buddies with Ico or Menalque)

Why is it more likely that scum stayed off wagon?

You're now being circular.

It should be obvious why I was delving back into setup spec. It's not obvious to me why you think it's ok to cherry pick Slaxx from yesterday to try to discredit me though.

It's not, thus the question. Also, I was being facetious - I haven't cherrypicked anything. Both you and Micc are going to die.

this game seems to have gone quite

VOTE: Bjj

His vote on me last day phase looked blatantly like a vanity vote. My gut is saying that teh slaxx lynch was all town.

bjj suddenly gets a read that lines up with menal and micc. Either he gets me lynched today or he trys to get looker lynched.

with micc and menal also saying they scum read me its quite clear scum are setting up poe they can hope to get lynched.

He even tries to push a little against ico who is confirmed follower. If ico is scum then good call on teh claim. As i cant see scum having a doc with town having role to see it. other wise teh game is no different to if there was no doc. scum doc would have no role other than to give teh cop somethign to think on.

Let's go, #1 townread

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• @Micc, I appreciate the help, but there's nothing to talk about. If scum kill me tonight, they get to frame Ico and lynch him tomorrow - win/win.

[Micc]

@Micc, I appreciate the help, but there's nothing to talk about. If scum kill me tonight, they get to frame Ico and lynch him tomorrow - win/win.

you have left me more confused about your icon read than I was 12 hours ago.

In what world is scum framing icon as a lynch tomorrow a win-win? that's a mislynch on a slot that I believe should be treated as mechanically confirmed town. it'd be a disaster.

If you don't see icon that way, we need to work that out.

[bob3141]

What i dont get is why bjj is pushing looker as scum. For looker to be scum looker v chem/bug would have to be scum theater.

If they were partners then why didnt chem/bug go after wilky but instead after his partner ensuring they lose one scum.

Then we have the gl night kill. Looking at gl end of day iso it would be clear to scum that he did not think chem/looker was theater. So why kill him if he is town reading looker.


We look at gl iso what do we see. He is town reading bob, menal and looker.

scum reading emps and aaron.


His ealier posts had him saying one scum if he is right about emp and bugs. Then one of bob/bjj/wilky had scum in it


we know for sure that wilky was town.


So who has motivation to kill gl. emps and bjj.


looker, menal and me would have no motivation to kill gl. As by end of day he was town reading the three of us

Would be clear to bjj that the section gl had him had dropped to just bjj/wilky.

making gl a clear problem.

[Micc]

Mod: Please prod skygazer