Newbie 1990 | Game Over

[rg]

What convinced you to dislike 72 over your sense of 'extreme genuineness' earlier?

Basically what Recti wrote. He summed up a lot of contradictions at once and in a way that made me question if I really trust him. I said that he was genuine, but contradictions in posts are ingenuine, and Recti did a good job at writing all of them.
Honorable mention to Natsu who has a more contrived yet still good summary of everything.

[Weiss Schnee]

"Contrived yet still good" man you are a wealth of incredible phrases

[Weiss Schnee]

Alright whatever I'm okay with a natsu hammer

[rg]

Oops, English isn't my 1st language so I might be inaccurate (1st language is Hebrew). I meant to say that it was shorter but still did it's job.

[JacksonVirgo]

You'll be flipping scum though.

Wrong. Im town.

Would Town have just ignored that post or commented on it?

rg is my strongest town read

Why

rg is my strongest town read

I've felt the same way at times but what seals it for you now?

This is just bad.
You insist that I'm the only scumtell that you have, yet you are engaging in discussion as if I'm town.

Please, town, get on the WS wagon.

This is scummy as all heck, and I was actually town-reading you lmfao. First of all, Town discusses with scum-reads to find out if they're wrong. And you're just... ugh

Not a problem for today -- team rocket queen -- she either dies tonight or get's cross-claimed later. That being said if she was scum her partner would be JV (only because the tone of 250 made me nervous for a moment), but that's not a scenario I need to deal with right now and I still think they can both be town maybe

The PR claim over just claiming Cop/Doctor/Tracker/Jailkeeper etc may be because of WIFOM. The scum can choose to attack them and confirm the setup if a doctor is on them etc. Scum may try to risk it but if that lands us in a position with no town dying tonight I am all for that.

Rectiplanes -- + while the spreadsheets and stuff are like hyper-lamist, I have a really hard time believing scum goes through all that work on something that isn't actually likely to get them locktowned

I too agreed with that, but I believe they're getting extremely cocky like I got when I was try-harding as scum and got town-read, so they're a slight town-lean for me now

Jormengand -- + Maple's tone in 253 I think is unlikely to come from scum Maple although this isn't 100%, + the tinfoil in 159 on JV could come from town going down the rabbit hole, - the replace-out is midly concerning, ~ the jormen wallpost catchup I couldn't tell if was #effortposting or not since it was kinda a pain to follow up on some of his thoughts, but I don't on the whole hate the lmh push

I've explained why I think this slot is scum

rg -- his attitude toward the game is very +townie but the early iso actually isn't super strongly town indicative outside of tone; in a world where rg flipped scum I'd think natsu was most likely partner from the tone of 156; for the record I tend to slightly scumread unvotes generally so 304 gets a very minor - for me, slot still seems townie on tone (sure), but I guess I'm not sure why this slot is being easily locked as town in a game state with this many townie towns

I find it funny how as soon as I started finding a reason to start town-reading them and when everyone saw that I actually had good logic behind it, everyone started feeling the same. Somewhat concerning I have to admit but my logic still holds, we'll see if they slip up somewhere down the line

JacksonVirgo -- I still really like 138 for town; unfortunately the more strongly town indicative stuff later in the iso (the votes in 422 and 540 which normally would continue to make this slot IC) are after I explained that I townread the slot for vote frequency so I can't give those as many points. I'd like a little bit more analysis given the gamestate we're in now and a little concerned that JV has stepped back a little bit. But still probably town

uwu it's me

Natsu -- If Natsu is scum this game he has improved

a lot

since newbie 1984 where he was having major tonal issues from very early in the game. The randomly bolded sentence in 289 also seems a little bit +townie. Unfortunately one game doesn't make a meta, and while I'm not in love with the unvote in 318 this slot also feels pretty town

I agree they feel somewhat townier than scummy

Non lmh -- while I did think 89 was so random and left field it was more likely to come from town, 463 felt kinda off to me. I kinda generally dislike his attempts quasi-angleshoot although lmh has always been a slot I never get particularly comfortable in a read for. I will say that his play in medical meme mafia was very banal and didn't have as much 'random' seeming thoughts as he's had here so he could still very easily be town

I am not sure exactly where I stand on this slot to be completely honest

72offsuit RoboApocalypze -- I appreciate the confidence of 628 but I strongly dislike his attempts to paint everyone pushing him as scum which comes off as very survivalistic, on reread other things bug me too:

I am saying Recti and trq'sscumreads did not feel genuine to me, like they were not coming from a town mindset

vs. "they were coming from scum mindset" which would be a townier way to phrase the sentence

Could also potentially be scum, scumbuddying me.

feels superficial

the point considered in 594 is pretty bad cognitive load

Now you are just being dense.

also dislike this, maybe even possibly tmiing natsu town off tone?

now my caution here is that I was recently burned on scumreading a hyperposter replacement (I thought the predecessor scumreplaced out due to team getting rolled), but I'm not really focusing on the catchup posts, I'm pretty much looking exclusively at stuff after 72 had 'settled' into the game and every time I reread I feel like I'm finding more things I dislike, and given I'm having trouble finding a second scumread I'm starting to feel better about this lynch.

At first they reminded me of the 97 game and I was town-reading them but now they just seem scummy and I can't help but tear my soul apart having this gut feeling that they're just dumbass cocky Town.

[JacksonVirgo]

The gradients between Jormen through natsu are so shallow btw that's not really a structured reads list

I think I'm like
[TRQ]
Recti
Jormen / RG / JV / Natsu
ehhh LMH?
72

I'm a null now?

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway what's your take on 72 JV? Did you read his catchup or like his posts in the past 4-5 pages?

I did read it and I'm not going to lie, I didn't see anything more scummy in there than what they did as Town in my last game with them.

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay wow so self-voting? That's a thing you generally

don't do

, I would say.

72

, let's say you flip town and that means WS is scum - remind me who you think is her scumpartner?

Weiss, Recti and TRQ

, if 72 flips scum, what do you think that means? More importantly, what if he flips town?

Everyone else

, please stop lurking and give us a few hot takes.

If scum-72, then lynch one of (Non-Imh, Jormenghand). The remaining scum is in there.
If town-72, lynch Non-Imh immediately, and then we have to re-evaluate Weiss and decide between Jormenghand and Weiss on Day 3.

Weiss is most likely Town here. If you read my logic, I would be seriously surprised if they could fake the exact same thoughts I was with a scum mind-set

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't see how 623 is scummy, I can see the argument for 624 but I'm inclined to call it NAI overall and Rectic looks town elsewhere

It's what I see scum!them saying to fake confidence in their reads

[JacksonVirgo]

Fully caught up woo
I still stick to my Jorg reads, I literally don't remember much about them except that wall content wise

[Weiss Schnee]

I'm a null now?

No I still think you're town I just have no backup scumreads and it's hard to decide where the weaker townreads are tbh

what did you think of 72's self-vote?

[Weiss Schnee]

dumbass cocky Town.

yeah that's my worry as well

also I have mixed feelings about rg's vote but it's hard to evaluate objectively pre-flip

[JacksonVirgo]

The self-vote I personally see coming more from town!72 considering how they were acting when they were pushed to L-1 in the game I was in with.

[JacksonVirgo]

They were completely okay with themselves being lynched if it means that a scum-team or a scum would be outted. And they seem to have that exact vibe here, at least to me. They were just as scummy then, the the point where I gave them conf-scum status in that game. Just gives me more of a Town vibe, TWTBW and all that

[Weiss Schnee]

I can kinda see it but his questions while getting run up were significantly less bad there than they are here

[JacksonVirgo]

I can kinda see it but his questions while getting run up were significantly less bad there than they are here

That's why I can see it going either way but I'm more confident in my read in Jorg, because as I said I have that gut feeling that is telling me that 72

will

flip Town and I'd rather them self-resolve over the next few days personally.

[Weiss Schnee]

He seems fiesty there and he was fiesty here for a little bit but then he really hard ran out of steam which makes me very slightly worried he's going into damage control mode and trying to avoid further spewing, like he self voted to prove his solve but he can't even explain succinctly why he scumreads me, someone that's confident in their solve can generally nutshell their case quite easily

idk his play here is kinda gross in any case and I don't want to keep thinking about his self-vote tomorrow at this point

[Weiss Schnee]

That's why I can see it going either way but I'm more confident in my read in Jorg, because as I said I have that gut feeling that is telling me that 72 will flip Town and I'd rather them self-resolve over the next few days personally.

maybe I guess it's just that I'd prefer to believe Maple doesn't insult my play this game unless he actually believed in his reads

[Weiss Schnee]

72 definitely never self-resolves

[72offsuit]

This is scummy as all heck, and I was actually town-reading you lmfao. First of all, Town discusses with scum-reads to find out if they're wrong. And you're just... ugh

No, I want to see who joins the wagon, vs who abstains from the wagon.
I have been discussing. I have asked others on their stance Re: WS, so not sure where you are going with this.
I've done this before as town, but would also do this as scum, so its NAI. So if you are town, I don;t know why you are scumreading me for this.

Newbie 1987:
viewtopic.php?p=11613710#p11613710
see Post #134, page 6

[72offsuit]

This is scummy as all heck, and I was actually town-reading you lmfao. First of all, Town discusses with scum-reads to find out if they're wrong. And you're just... ugh

No, I want to see who joins the wagon, vs who abstains from the wagon.
I have been discussing. I have asked others on their stance Re: WS, so not sure where you are going with this.
I've done this before as town, but would also do this as scum, so its NAI. So if you are town, I don;t know why you are scumreading me for this.

Newbie 1987:
viewtopic.php?p=11613710#p11613710
see Post #134, page 6

[JacksonVirgo]

72 definitely never self-resolves

I was regarding with flips, and associations. Because they've got a heckin' lot of it

[Weiss Schnee]

This is scummy as all heck, and I was actually town-reading you lmfao. First of all, Town discusses with scum-reads to find out if they're wrong. And you're just... ugh

I did read it and I'm not going to lie, I didn't see anything more scummy in there than what they did as Town in my last game with them.

this would be a really interesting progression from you as scum lol

[72offsuit]

JV said:
I too agreed with that, but I believe they're getting extremely cocky like I got when I was try-harding as scum and got town-read, so they're a slight town-lean for me now

THIS. I'm glad you said this because this was the feeling I was getting but couldn;t put my finger on it and articulate it

[Weiss Schnee]

So if you are town, I don;t know why you are scumreading me for this.

see this is why I'm kinda ready for this slot to go

you clarify like a post later that your townread degraded, not that you're scumreading him, but he fails to register the nuance of your position