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[Espressojet]

First

[Espressojet]

Any big disagreement with my list or something anyone want to discuss

I can't tell if I love or hate this post

[iDanyboy]

VOTE: Espresso

I don't think my read list is popular opinion.
It would help if you gave a scum read.

[geraintm]

Any big disagreement with my list or something anyone want to discuss

More Scummy

geraintm

well, this ^^^

[iDanyboy]

I explained in Post 353, it would help if you could explain why your voting Mav.

[Madoka]

Thank you, Espresso

[geraintm]

I explained in Post 353, it would help if you could explain why your voting Mav.

I hadn't got through the whole catchup to see your explanation.
I did a random vote (I always place a random vote based on numbers) and haven't as of yet found somewhere better to put it.

Geraint

[geraintm]

ok, gone through The Trollie posts.
there is a lot of flipping around, a lot of posts saying they would be happy to move their vote, some gentle encouragement for others to join their vote. all without huge amounts of evidence

this is the person I am finding the mos suspicious. so guess i'll VOTE: trollies

[mavsfan41]

Why do you think iDanyboy is scum and voted him? His list and his responses to defending his list seemed pretty town to me.

Hi whole read on me is awful and nonsense and he seems scummier than anyone else in the game

Basically just that

I saw iDanyboy’s post 349 as a foil to your list in 284. The two list match up closely with the exception of Paragon and Allomancer. So I don’t understand this post I’ve quoted unless those two are what you mean. (iDanyboy list has a gray area for “unsure” whereas your is more black and white with scum or not.)

In your post 290, you admittedly claim you made yours up for content. So I don’t understand the attack on iDanyboy. Either your list matches up well and you’re throwing shade at him for a Paragon and Allomancer disagreement OR cause iDanyboy reads you as scum (which wasn’t the first time someone has posted suspecting you of such.) And if your list is made up and fake for the optics of posting content, then you’re providing even less to the game. Morning Tweet’s preceding post to the one being quoted suggest that iDanyboy’s list being effort-posting but when pressed on his list, iDanyboy is able to point to certain posts and reads meaning he did at least some research in throwing together his list and defending it. Your list (if it is fake for the sake of content) displays little to no effort of scum hunting. And if your list isn’t fabricated and those are your reads, you’re now throwing shade at iDanyboy for a difference of Paragon and Allomancer or just simply cause he suspected you and voted you. Either way, I don’t understand your vote on iDanyboy. I just see this as extremely defensive when you OMGUS the first serious vote on you. (Trollie had an rvs vote on you, but as far as I can tell, iDanyboy’s vote was the first one on you. Please correct me if I’m wrong.)

[TheTrollie]

ok, gone through The Trollie posts.
there is a lot of flipping around, a lot of posts saying they would be happy to move their vote, some gentle encouragement for others to join their vote. all without huge amounts of evidence

this is the person I am finding the mos suspicious. so guess i'll VOTE: trollies

ISO'd gerain bc i thought calling me "flipping around" without having pressured para would have been something to discuss - looks like he did actually.

In post 106, TheTrollie wrote:I don't love Para's vote hopping at all. But it feels like hyper/neurotic town more than scum maybe?I kinda love it, there's nothing reasonably solid enough to go off of that warrants keeping a vote stuck on one person.

I dislike vote hoping generally. creates too much noise and scum can hide in it.

about to start catching up, expect a ton of little posts rather than really long ones. sorry if people hate this

I like this consistency. Though I would not agree that what I am doing is flipping around.

[TheTrollie]

with BB out of the hot seat (for now), I'm still mostly feeling allo or madoka

Maybe Bambi or Espressojet too? idk.

[geraintm]

That all said - I'm down to vote elsewhere today. Just not on Bob.

Or morning tweet or mavsfan.

I like iD's reads actually.

I think it's highly likely that there is at least one scum in {allo, skellen, BB}.

VOTE: BBMolla

I like iD's reads actually.

I think it's highly likely that there is at least one scum in {allo, skellen, BB}.

VOTE: BBMolla

I feel strongly that bob is town - he's incredibly tunnel-visioned but town.

I don't like that wagon.

Bambi join my Skellen vote. After re-reading the thread today I feel very good about it.

I feel strongly that bob is town - he's incredibly tunnel-visioned but town.

I don't like that wagon.

Bambi join my Skellen vote. After re-reading the thread today I feel very good about it.

with BB out of the hot seat (for now), I'm still mostly feeling allo or madoka

Maybe Bambi or Espressojet too? idk.

gone through selectively and tried to pick out the whole series of posts that just give me the impression they are happy to move votes around. Feels flippy to me, more so than anyone else I've gone through and looked at.
a vote on your feels much better than where I had it, still as my random vote. I didn't pluck my vote from nowhere.....

[Bambi Jay]

I'm a mason, hard claiming, not a gambit.

Lolwut

Sounds fun. I believe it.

Geraintm is getting way more townpoints for putting his case mostly in 1 big thing. That's nice.

[Allomancer]

I think geraint has a good case on Trollie. Went through his ISO myself and I find myself agreeing.

@Morning Tweet: what do you think of geraint and Trollie?

[TheTrollie]

I'm truly not sure why Gerain defended himself against my saying that his vote on me actually seemed like a good one. Never said you plucked your vote from nowhere. I actually think you're push on me and reaction is fairly town.

I don't agree with the argument - not in a "I know I am town so I disagree with you" kind of way - I disagree with the assessment that I am going around willy-nilly with my votes. I just have strong townreads on the players everyone else has been obsessing over so far today so I'm trying for the life of me to gain some traction on running a waggon up on any of my scum reads. But thoe people in my "I wont vote" and "I will vote" piles have been fairly consistent - at least I think.

But anyway - I'm oddly fairly supportive of this conversation because I'm desperate for any conversation that isnt about bob/morning/mavs (and lesser so idanny bc he could be scum but i like his reads so i'm leaning not on him).

now that i say it out loud, this isn't all that pro-town of me but like - whatever I'll attract some convo for a beat just to get us talking about something new.

[SirCakez]

Prodding Paragon

[geraintm]

I'm a mason, hard claiming, not a gambit.

Lolwut

Sounds fun. I believe it.

Geraintm is getting way more townpoints for putting his case mostly in 1 big thing. That's nice.

Dont get used to it...

[geraintm]

I'm much more likely

[geraintm]

To do it over numerous...

[geraintm]

Posts

[Morning Tweet]

I think geraint has a good case on Trollie. Went through his ISO myself and I find myself agreeing.

@Morning Tweet: what do you think of geraint and Trollie?

geraint is pretty null for me until 382 and on

ok, gone through The Trollie posts.
there is a lot of flipping around, a lot of posts saying they would be happy to move their vote, some gentle encouragement for others to join their vote. all without huge amounts of evidence

this is the person I am finding the mos suspicious. so guess i'll VOTE: trollies

Gerain is either scum hoping to grab town points by being the first to start our new discussion, or town feeling obligated to progress the day. I lean towards the latter, as I think there is a fair chance scum!gerain would opt to not do this

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I flip flop in Trollie's ISO a bit. I like the Skelly push and like the take on mav in this post

Spoiler:

That all said - I'm down to vote elsewhere today. Just not on Bob.

Or morning tweet or

mavsfan

.

But I have disagreements with him sometimes too, such as not viewing the bob wagon favourably and his agreement with iDany's readslist

Spoiler:

I feel strongly that bob is town - he's incredibly tunnel-visioned but town.

I don't like that wagon.

I like iD's reads actually.

I think it's highly likely that there is at least one scum in {allo, skellen, BB}.

I find myself considering voting Trollie for having a lynchpool so off-key with mine. However, I think that the case that Trollie is "too open" or "free" with his votes isn't that strong. He's only shown scum reads on the three listed above.

with BB out of the hot seat (for now), I'm still mostly feeling allo or madoka

Maybe Bambi or Espressojet too? idk.

He does mention some of the mysterious, less active players here too but I don't think that's pushing the boundaries of what I'm willing to vote either + that's consistent with his agreement with iDany's reads

I think overall I net a townlean on gerain and still undecided on Trollie

[Morning Tweet]

I want to pose a couple questions

gone through selectively and tried to pick out the whole series of posts that just give me the impression they are happy to move votes around. Feels flippy to me, more so than anyone else I've gone through and looked at.

a vote on your feels much better than where I had it, still as my random vote. I didn't pluck my vote from nowhere.....

Was this directed at Trollie's 384?

also

@Trollie

is it pronounced "Trolley" or "Trohlie" ?

[Madoka]

Spoiler:

Allo is town homeboys

I agree he has some townie posts but i think all of his towntells are easily fabricated.

Just because they are easily fabricated doesn't necessarily mean they are. Since you are voting him I assume you think they are fabricated, so what makes you think so that scum!Allo is faking his towntells here?

Correct - since I am voting him my take is that they are fabricated. the town tells are too tryhard for my liking

On first glance I got a good impression on Para and Dany. I liked Para's "wall" even although I don't agree with most of it, but I think I get where he is coming from.

I think I like Allo the least so far. He comes a bit off to me, like he is walking a thin line between everything. He hasn't really tried to sort Para since he voted him and I feel he takes stances just to dismiss them quickly like change from mavs to Para or reading Dany/MT as TvT just to agree with bob's suspicion against MT (at least that's how it came across to me) like as if he doesn't really believe in them.

VOTE: Allomancer

I don't like this at all. Post 121 requires that Skellen has some level of resistance to my conclusion that Allo is scum. If she thinks Allo is scum then she also thinks the potential towntells are either not towntells or are fabricated. I don't see her posting 121 and then joining me in 122.

Trollie, I think your case on Skellen is disingenuous. It's apparent that her reasons for finding Allo suspicious in 122 were different than the reasons she questioned in 121.

The case is that for Skellen to say "what makes you think so that scumAllo is faking his towntells here?"

has only 1 good response - that Allo is scum

. By definition, if you think someone is faking townie posts it is because you think they are scum.

This is incorrect. To answer that you believe the towntells are fake because he is scum is circular reasoning, and not what she was looking for. She wanted you to explain what

about his posts

gave you the impression that they were fake.

[Madoka]

Having the same read as someone doesn't exclude them from being a suspect. You can find someone suspicious and at the same time be vigilant about the other people that do. Mafia have to make up the reasoning for their reads, so if there is a peculiarity behind a player's reasoning that they are not able to explain, it's a good indicator that it's fabricated and they are scum.

[Madoka]

Does that make sense to you, Trollie?