mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Something_Smart]

It me.

Belatedly honoring Firebringer's request for me to join, RIP.

[Something_Smart]

Welcome Something_Smart!

Ooh yay Something_Smart!

It me.

Belatedly honoring Firebringer's request for me to join, RIP.

Welcome!

\o/

[Something_Smart]

What.

[Something_Smart]

Just got to the Pine lynch.

[Something_Smart]

I got almost nothing from D1.

[Something_Smart]

Not done catching up yet. Auro and Luna lean town.

[Something_Smart]

Pine wagon was godawful but if Comical is who I think it is, their presence on the wagon isn't scummy, just dumb.

Eddie's hammer is towny in a vacuum but there's a nonzero change he believed he could just rush through a mislynch and get away with it.

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Nonzero chance*

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I suspect I'll know whether my guess on Comical is correct when I see how they react to my replace-in.

[Something_Smart]

Look at time stamps btw

On what posts?

[Something_Smart]

tvp

Titus v. Pine, the legendary crossover.

Guess I'll see when I finish reading then.

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Is it FL? If it is, that's scum.

Oh, there it is.

[Something_Smart]

I targeted RCE because I wanted to get someone I could trust to follow if town.

Nvm I took follow as town as followed me to town.

[Something_Smart]

Oh. I guess other gunsmiths do show up positive.

[Something_Smart]

Luna is town.

[Something_Smart]

I might have to figure out a way to play online for some play tests...if anyone’s eventually interested. Not sure when, might not be for a while, but I do plan on getting a rough draft of mechanics sometime this week. I’ve had the specific game mechanics down since I was in high school (i graduated 2012...) now it’s just time to create a prototype.

I love testing games! Hit me up on Discord if you want to.

[Something_Smart]

I could see Auro being scum, I guess. Some of his interactions especially around the Luna fakehammer and subsequent reevaluation felt pretty genuine, though.

[Something_Smart]

eddie are you just flexing with how much you can get away with as scum on ms.net to prove how we all suck

Let it be known that this is definitely what scum-Eddie would be doing this game.

That said I don't really have any issue with him thus far.

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Okay, caught up.

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Because he didn't have a chance to say anything, and most of the people on the wagon (probably) weren't intending for it to lead to a lynch, so basically no information was gained from it except about Comical and Eddie.

[Something_Smart]

Why is Luna town?

Contrarianism in 466 and 469, being secretive in 902, taunting in 967 and 970, immediate VT claim (994) at the request of a single person, jumping right into a 1v1 with a PR claim in 1062, and being defeatist in 1118 and 1252.

Most of this stuff is alienating and prone to attracting negative attention. It's an extremely weird and self-destructive way to play as scum, as you'd basically have to be banking on someone making this type of argument.

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New avatar new SS?

Not really? That has always been my favorite kind of read.

[Something_Smart]

RCE, is it within your scumrange to pretend to forget that gunsmith has a gun?

[Something_Smart]

May be that I've been scum or PR in most of the recent games we've played.

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It would be dishonest to say yes. It's a mechanics thing and I wouldn't have that info as either alignment. I've never rolled GS before.

But you didn't read up on how your role worked when you rolled it this game?

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It would be dishonest to say yes. It's a mechanics thing and I wouldn't have that info as either alignment. I've never rolled GS before.

But you didn't read up on how your role worked when you rolled it this game?

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Oh shit, I'm turning into RC.

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SS I will blindly sheep you so you better have good reads and hit scum!

I appreciate the sentiment, but you should pretty much under no circumstances sheep my scumreads.

What's your read on my slot?

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I mean it's not that I'm incapable of having good scumreads. It's just that a lot of times I don't, and even when I do, they're usually on people who are widely agreed to be scummy (such as unwnd and pops in TM, or STRQ and Amrun in Purgatory), so that it wouldn't be necessary to sheep me since you can just see for yourself.

Sheeping my townreads, especially my confident ones, is more reasonable since they tend to be for unusual or offbeat reasons.

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I have a really hard time wrapping my head around the fact that Boon all but claimed a gunsmith guilty on RCE, then RCE claimed a role that has a gun, without realizing it had a gun.

[Something_Smart]

I guess Occam's razor says RCE is just town and that's not that hard.

But it's best not to trust Occam's razor when Boon is involved

[Something_Smart]

That's generally a scum indicator for him.

[Something_Smart]

Luna knows. I have believe she said that to setup some discrediting if she’s scum.

I mean, you just linked back to a post from several days ago with the exact same reads that you have now. It's not really up for debate that you're being consistent in this case.

That said, one data point does not a trend make.

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That's not level 1, that's level 0. Might even be level -1.

Doesn't mean it's wrong, though.

[Something_Smart]

I don't know about Dann, but Alch's was presumably a snap OMGUS.

[Something_Smart]

Do you expect that reasoning to be convincing to other people?

[Something_Smart]

The reasoning in 1433, that is.

[Something_Smart]

Yes, but the question still stands.

[Something_Smart]

Taking that as a no.

[Something_Smart]

id like to think that if SS was going to become a cooperative and proactive readsharer as town, he'd do it in team mafia first, where tryharding is truly maximized

I don't understand what you're getting at here. Was I not a cooperative readsharer in that game?

I think I just didn't have many reads and so that's why I wasn't sharing many. And it's not like I have a lot here but I usually try to do what I can.

[Something_Smart]

Also I was PR so was trying to play UTR a bit.

[Something_Smart]

I feel like you are more proactive with your reads here while you were being more reserved in the other game

It's the fact that I was a replacement too, because with a normal game I'll just follow along and make mental notes but with a catchup you have to write stuff down or you'll never remember it all.

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In other words, I'm sure I'll get less helpful and more annoying as the game goes on

[Something_Smart]

Whoever you want.

Why are you asking me? You already heard what I said to Auro.

[Something_Smart]

(@Oka obviously)

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._.

[Something_Smart]

Sheep me on Not Voting then. That dude is always scum.

[Something_Smart]

I think all gun positives should at least have some kind of crumb for their role. It should be possible to lay down an unnoticeable crumb that you can point to later when you claim.

[Something_Smart]

What's wrong with that?

[Something_Smart]

Should probably clarify between Dannflor and Dany.

[Something_Smart]

What was the intent of it, then?

[Something_Smart]

What do you define as a read progression?

[Something_Smart]

The process where i reach my read?

It seems like that can't be the same definition PP was using, because obviously every read you have was reached by SOME process.

[Something_Smart]

So what is the definition you were using? I'm assuming it has something to do with changing your reads, because that's how I usually hear the phrase used.

[Something_Smart]

Another misunderstanding defused with the power of not jumping to conclusions.

[Something_Smart]

Wow, Auro, one of us is a doublevoter. I call not it

[Something_Smart]

The specific phrasing "I'm still as lost" sounds fake and scummy.
It's like he wanted to say something reasonable and blend in with town who's pushing each other.
It's not consistent with the confidence he portrayed earlier - if he actually was lost before, it would have reflected.

Do you think that Dany, as scum, would forget that he was showing confidence earlier?

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Not everyone makes an effort to be consistent that way

But is that lack of effort contingent on alignment? Would he forget that he wasn't lost as scum, but not as town?

[Something_Smart]

But what about P(he was lost at some point before or after his read list, but didn't say anything about it)?

[Something_Smart]

I would say I shouldn't put words in his mouth but he basically said as much in 1602-- that he felt lost after the readlist was posted, not while he was making it.

[Something_Smart]

I assess this to be low because it doesn't reflect in his posts/readslist then.

He only made a few posts between the readlist and when he said he was lost, though.

[Something_Smart]

Boon, are you scum again?

I know the curse is broken now. But you're still a magnet for red role PM's

[Something_Smart]

Honestly no clue.

[Something_Smart]

Probably? But it depends on whether I'd be having a good day or not.

[Something_Smart]

Smart, if I'm town, with considerable pressure on me, and Boon also having stated me as a scumread, you think he'd instead conclude that he and RCE should check me?

Doesn't his gunsmith guilty on Smart come more likely from town?

I don't understand what you're trying to say here, in either line.

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Or scum rolecop.

[Something_Smart]

Scum-Boon would totally rolecop someone as a gunsmith and then claim a gunsmith guilty on them.

[Something_Smart]

that looks like it was meant for the scum PT

[Something_Smart]

remove the pr claim from the equation and what do you see ss

Boon being Boon.

[Something_Smart]

Neither.

The only noteworthy thing he's done is the whole claiming to be lost thing, and I don't think he'd be more likely to do that as one alignment than the other.

[Something_Smart]

I'm not fine lynching anyone when we have 8 days left in the day.

[Something_Smart]

Rather than starting a wagon, why don't you start a discussion?

[Something_Smart]

Note that I said "at the moment".

I did note that. On day 1 I usually don't have any issue with lynching a null once it gets closer to deadline, and this game is basically in day 1 still.

Also, any activity issues aside, Dany should have had an opportunity to actually engage by then, so if he hasn't it's his own fault.

Okay, what do you want to discuss about?

What do you think of Eddie blatantly not giving any shits? Do you think it's more likely brazen scum or trolling town?

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I've never seen Eddie not tryhard, I think.

[Something_Smart]

No, and I don't have one. That's why I was asking what other people thought.

[Something_Smart]

Gonna check some things out later tonight.

[Something_Smart]

Hopefully, posts from people in this mafia game, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Something_Smart]

Scum-Boon would totally rolecop someone as a gunsmith and then claim a gunsmith guilty on them.

If I was a full gunsmith id agree.

Let's talk about this. What gives you this impression?

In my opinion, if scum-Boon were to get a result like that, he would want to try to turn it to his advantage, rather than just quietly killing you off. In fact, he did exactly that to me in ramblings, when his buddy Vork's complex fruit vendor shot hit me, letting him know I was a PR. Instead of just noting it and killing me, he went through a whole shtick of claiming disloyal fruit vendor with a guilty on me that Vork then countered.

It was a mess and it could easily have backfired on him, but it was a very Boon mess. Why do you think he wouldn't do something like that here, if only because he could?

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No.

[Something_Smart]

I would prefer Dany to Luna as well, but that isn't saying much.

[Something_Smart]

CAST YOUR VOTES PEOPLE

I was going to object, but I actually feel like it's late enough in the day and so little is going on that I'm okay with this.

VOTE: iDanyboy

[Something_Smart]

I don't necessarily support war. But right now I support wagons.

[Something_Smart]

I am the opposite of a politician. My intentions are always exactly what I say they are

[Something_Smart]

I don't think 1830 is S -> T.

[Something_Smart]

Take that with a grain of salt though, because I have a terrible track record at reading Alch.

[Something_Smart]

If said by scum about a townie, it's a great way to look like you're antagonizing him and egging him on, and iirc Alchemist plays politically as scum and tries to avoid making enemies.

Whereas, if they're both scum, it's a good way to get distancing points. (Not that I think the scenario is more likely than it would be by chance, but Eddie's response is also consistent with that.)

[Something_Smart]

"Can 2020 get any worse?"

Bruh we've got an election coming up later this year. No matter your political affiliation, the answer to this question is always yes

[Something_Smart]

I had the messiah complex

But i was blind

You are the messiah

Sorry, you're too late. Firebringer was the messiah. He died for our sins.

[Something_Smart]

B A

You forgot the Start.

[Something_Smart]

I can think of several possible reasons why he'd want to do that as town, but I don't want to put words in his mouth. He should answer why he did it before we talk about whether it was reasonable.

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Eddie yes, Auro probably not.

[Something_Smart]

if i effort an auro case is it possible to change your mind

It's almost always possible to change my mind, but if you're planning a wallpost I wouldn't count on it.

[Something_Smart]

It's almost always possible to change my mind, but if you're planning a wallpost I wouldn't count on it.

Of course, not every explained case should require huge amounts of text. Terse, focused reasoning is consistently better.

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oh look, something I only do as town

never voted myself as scum

done it in plenty of town games

[Something_Smart]

iDan is always lynchable, he's free meat and a path to victory

But if you want to win, you're going to need to bite the bullet somewhere and if an opportunity presents itself, maybe its a good time to get a harder lynch through now rather than later when town might lead themselves into a good place

I'm not convinced that very many people actually do stuff like that as scum.

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I'm not traumatized by something I lose to once because I recognize that outliers exist, and that's why I qualified it with "very many."

[Something_Smart]

I'm 99% sure I'm lynching Alch today.

How confident are you that he's scum?

[Something_Smart]

It's like OkaPoka was annoyed with my perceived lolpivot, and that annoyance doesn't exactly square with his play so far.

Smart, what do you think?

I think it squares with his personality.

[Something_Smart]

I was originally only voting Dany because I didn't townread him and I wanted to get some wagons going but I'm actually starting to talk myself into thinking he's scum.

Normally I would townread claiming VT when under that much pressure but he just dropped the claim and disappeared which makes me think he's given up.

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At what point? The Dany wagon rose and fell pretty fast.

[Something_Smart]

My bad, 6 to lynch and earlier he was at 4, misread.

Dany? He was definitely L-1.

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I haven't disappeared, but the sites is lagging for me, so I'm struggling to read.

I suppose that's fair. For most of us the lag has been on and off (it's fine right now for instance, but an hour ago it was awful).

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It certainly would be a struggle if each page took two minutes to load.

[Something_Smart]

I'm aware, but we obviously can't talk about that.

[Something_Smart]

That tell has to be player dependent. I've been active in a scumgame while lurking in a towngame plenty of times.

[Something_Smart]

Because I'm in it.

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I would like to see an Eddie wagon happen.

[Something_Smart]

I'm here.

I would like to get a claim from Eddie first.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Eddie

[Something_Smart]

I mean, I'm here.

[Something_Smart]

If Eddie's town the way he's played is petulant and childish. (It is anyway but at least if he's scum there's a justification for it.)

You can hammer.

[Something_Smart]

Eddie those are pretty much all terrible reasons, especially the premise that your partners wouldn't be bussing you here.

[Something_Smart]

I would be fine with killing a specific voter on you, namely Dany.

[Something_Smart]

Dany - this is actually probably my least likely partner in the game. i chose not to hammer him, so if we were partners, we were aligning. except that's not the case, because he very happily voted me, has had me as a scum read consistently, and did not vote Oka, who had wagoned him. so it doesn't really work in either world.

I strongly disagree with this, actually. If you're scum, you're obviously not aiming to live very long, and dropping two lolhammers one of which was on scum wouldn't really save you.

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The argument "scum would be bussing me" doesn't hold water, because the two most universally tr'd people are not voting me, and if one of them is scum that makes me town, and if one is scum with me then they are not bussing and you're wrong anyways!

What?

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Do you want the wifom rebuttal or the mechanical rebuttal?

I want you to stop spitting out garbage and engage with us on a level that we can actually understand.

And it's not that I don't understand what you're trying to say, you're just not giving any evidence or reasoning apart from WIFOM, and even if people's reads are random on average, good evidence and good reasoning still exists and is still possible to give.

What you said about Dany is on that level, and it's about the only thing you said that is. So I want you to continue to talk on that level, whatever that entails.

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If both of them are town and I am scum: then bussing me today is throwing, because Oka is a free lynch and even ignoring that, I have both town PRs pocketed.

This is the part I want to talk about. Why is it that your partners wouldn't be bussing you just because they think you are genuinely scummy? A lot of people play that way as scum.

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The problem is not that I object to the TYPE of reasoning you're doing regarding wagons and people aligning themselves with each other.

The problem is that you're making tons of simplifying assumptions (that RCE and FL will continue to townread you, that Oka is lynchable, that you flipping scum would make people stop scumreading Oka, that you flipping scum would not make people stop scumreading Dany, that Dany if your partner was trying to lynch you when he voted you, etc). After having played video mafia I do understand that these assumptions are a lot more important there and a lot more likely to be valid there, but I don't think they are here because it seems like people in forum are a lot less predictable in general.

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"Well Eddie had literally no reason to not hammer me" is virtually the only line he needs.

If his only goal is to avoid being put in a position where he needs to vote you, yes.

But what do you think happens if Dany says "no, I won't vote Eddie" and then Oka can't find enough people to wagon you? Who do you think dies then? Almost certainly Dany.

And who looks VERY partnered with him? You.

Your reasoning might be "level 5" or whatever but this specific assumption-- that Dany as your partner would necessarily be townreading you just because he was given an opportunity to-- is level 0.

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2121 is more wifom than anything I've posted, and I'm done arguing an obvious point. I will boil it down to two true points that are actual wifom, unlike my previous posts.

It is! Because you're one making the absolute statement (that you and Dany CANNOT be scum together) and I am making a much weaker claim (that it's POSSIBLE that you and Dany are scum together). WIFOM naturally allows for two possibilities that cannot be decided between, and therefore supports my argument.

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Done posting for now. The lag is driving me nuts.

I bet I could find an example of scum arguing why they can't be partnered with a partner, though. That's silly, and it doesn't apply anyway because you were aware that it was unusual.

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Actually, UNVOTE:

I don't want the day to end right in the middle of this.

[Something_Smart]

Site's back?

Knock on wood.

[Something_Smart]

Do you think I'm mafia?

I think you're > rand scum.

I also think Dany is >>> rand scum, and that despite your arguments the two of you do make sense together.

I would be more than willing to go back to voting Dany today.

[Something_Smart]

northsidegal replaces dannflor

\o/

[Something_Smart]

I don't understand why you would hop on the Eddie wagon without even considering the fact that he could have hammered you and didn't.

I also feel like the confidence you've been showing in your reads conflicts with the confusion you've been claiming when people ask you to contribute more.

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The difference is, now you're actually wagoning someone, and you're still not thinking critically about him at all.

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Smart because you're above null, and I'm tying his alignment to yours.

What now?

[Something_Smart]

Why do you read me as aligned with Eddie?

[Something_Smart]

Can you explain how Conical!Gunsmith and RCE!Goon is unlikely from Schadd's design style?

I was going to ask the opposite question. What makes comical!rolecop and RCE!gunsmith unlikely?

[Something_Smart]

Oh, Alch already asked it about scum gunsmith. But scum rolecop seems more likely than that.

[Something_Smart]

if rce is actually a goon then that situation is possible, but based on how the claims went down i guess i would consider that somewhat unlikely?

+1

[Something_Smart]

Literally everybody except maybe SS kills me in this game tonight, even if it’s just to WIFOM some other slots.

[Something_Smart]

I don't support the Auro wagon.

VOTE: Dany

[Something_Smart]

I distinctly prefer Dany to Eddie right now, I'm open to switching but I'd rather see how the wagons develop (and ideally a VC) first.

[Something_Smart]

I will follow OkaPoka.

Because you respect his reads, or because you townread him?

[Something_Smart]

Because i finally put the pieces together and OkaPoka jumped in my reads to supertown.

Care to share your reasoning with the class?

[Something_Smart]

i think if you want auro to live then we have to band our votes together

Possibly. That depends on how the wagons end up.

[Something_Smart]

Because she's scum and sheeping others is a nice way of absolving responsibility.

[Something_Smart]

Auro/Oka/Luna scumteam?

...no?

[Something_Smart]

i don't like her this game

What don't you like about her? Just the read progression thing?

Also, a scumread does not justify begging the question.

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Well, off Idany. That’s like top 2 wagons that’s gonna have me go on a 50 page reign to try and stop from happening.

Maybe people would be more prone to listening to you if you explained your reasoning better.

[Something_Smart]

The gunsmiths should not indicate exactly who they're going to target.

Giving a pool is fine.

[Something_Smart]

Boon you severely overestimate me. If I were scum you'd have no trouble getting me lynched.

[Something_Smart]

Guns & Roses II?

You got yourself lynched there.

[Something_Smart]

To be honest, dude, I'm very bored with this game and not really critically thinking about solving it.

What was the entire conversation we had yesterday then?

[Something_Smart]

SS, if town, I expect us to be able,to slingshot each other if both alive in late game,which i don’t believe we do if we are both town, but nonetheless

If I'm still breathing by D3 or D4 that probably slingshots you town pretty effectively

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Er, not D3. Today is D2.

In a few days.

[Something_Smart]

Additionally, if anyone picked up on it, I was subtly softing I had some form of guilty on Alchemist in my latest interactions with him.

Beg pardon?

[Something_Smart]

If you’re saying you faked it for reactions, that’s a scum Auro move

It seems like a town Auro move too?

[Something_Smart]

Really? He seems all over the place, which is what i relate to scumAuro with. ScumAuro tries hard to mimic his town meta, and it’s a little bit too much.

I'm not saying it means Auro is town, I'm just saying it seems like something he'd do as town.

I don't have a ton of experience with scum-Auro (only one game) but he seemed to be pretty solid and not all over the place in that game.

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Do you recall that I said I would provide reasons for Alch scum later, that I am almost certainly lynching him today, refused to give my case, and asked him to please engage with other slots and that could make me change my mind?

"I have a guilty on you, but I want to find your partners first, but you're screwed".

Ok...

So is it a guilty or not?

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Do I actually seem all over the place here, though?

I mean if you faked a guilty, then yes.

And if you sat on a guilty through all the stuff that happened this day phase including two L-1 wagons that very nearly got hammered, then also yes.

So to sum it up, yes.

[Something_Smart]

im getting a headache from reading your posts boon

More like whiplash.

[Something_Smart]

Nope, I am confirmed Investigative. No other way I would have known RCE had a gun. Doesn’t confirm me as town, but I am confirmed investigative

Well, unless you're scum with RCE, but that's tinfoil upon tinfoil and should be obvious come massclaim anyway.

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Why should I answer this now, when what I said about Alch leaking associatives still holds true if I do have a guilty?

Because you just warned him about it...

[Something_Smart]

And because if you have a guilty on Alch, then we can lynch him today and kill scum?

[Something_Smart]

Auro, I stole Boon's wording of "all over the place" but I guess a more accurate term is "high risk" which regardless of how consistent your play has been with the guilty, not outing it and forcing a claim immediately is the high risk play.

Idk I don't think ill of it at all, if anything your play this game is more adventurous than it was when we were scum together.

[Something_Smart]

Oh wow. Those are... no wagons.

[Something_Smart]

I'm curious to think why that's high risk play. What's the problem with claiming it later, apart from the risk that I get lynched before that?

The risk that people don't believe it, and the risk that he picks up on it and makes a move like trying to claim out of it or trying to push you so your claim looks sketchy.

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I don't want to vote PP today. But that doesn't mean I won't.

[Something_Smart]

If people lynch the person claiming a guilty over the claimed guilty, that's bad play and on them, no?

Not necessarily. It's certainly more likely to happen if you don't claim until halfway through the day.

[Something_Smart]

@luna: imagine if there was a way we wouldnt have to guess if there was a town vig in the setup.

Imagine if there was a way scum wouldn't have to guess who to use their PR's on.

[Something_Smart]

what.

Boonlogic™

[Something_Smart]

Why do you want nsg to pick specifically?

[Something_Smart]

Lol Boon

[Something_Smart]

What makes you think he isn't gambiting Alch?

[Something_Smart]

I have to play erratically because I’m getting BoP’d too heavily. Erratic has been getting me great town games by end game, though.

I force people to take harder stances.

You are living up to your name, I'll give you that.

[Something_Smart]

Combined Fruit Vendor (other role here) is a thing

Oh no you don't.

[Something_Smart]

first and foremost, i already know that i'm town. someone checking me does not help me solve the game in the slightest, and so i think it's natural that i would rather people i'm uncertain about be checked.

But on the other hand, you are probably above average here in your ability to solve the game, so you need the help less than the rest of us.

[Something_Smart]

I also believe that it's an incorrect assessment that he stopped playing seriously after the wagon stopped.

It's certainly the case that he stopped tryharding.

[Something_Smart]

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[Something_Smart]

If Oka is a Jailkeeper, then the team may actually be Oka/Eddie/(RCE or Comical).

I mean yes, objectively true statement. Why do you think that team is any likelier than random?

[Something_Smart]

Setup spec makes me think scum could have both Jailkeeper and Gunsmith

Elaborate on this.

[Something_Smart]

I still don't understand what's leading Alch to that conclusion.

[Something_Smart]

I cc.

[Something_Smart]

Miller still could be relevant; it would create a confirmed town for a rolecop.

[Something_Smart]

A rolecop would be a gunsmith miller, lol.

[Something_Smart]

Hi Nero

[Something_Smart]

Hell, Something Smart probably TMI setup when he mentioned Role Cop

Lmao.

[Something_Smart]

SS, who are your scumreads / people you're willing to vote at this point?

{Dany, Alch, Eddie, Comical, nsg}, roughly in order of preference.

[Something_Smart]

Smort, how come Comical?

Because crazy-ass PR shenanigans is well within the bounds of Boon's scumplay, and I don't think any of his takes nor his other play would preclude him from being scum here.

As a recent example, him trying to paint me as scumslipping about a rolecop is pretty much exactly the kind of thing he would do as scum.

I don't scumread him per se but I have no issue putting him in my lynchpool even despite the PR claim.

[Something_Smart]

Thanks, although that question was to Smortypants

What question? 3370?

[Something_Smart]

Boon isn't forever null. I've read him correctly numerous times, usually as scum because he has a propensity to roll scum when he's playing with me :3

However it usually takes me a few days to get a bead on him and usually my read ends up being mechanics and trajectory-based, which naturally requires flips. So I don't have anything hard yet, but there are red flags.

[Something_Smart]

I'm generally fine with lynching nullreads especially since I townread half the game.

The fact that he claimed the same role as RCE is a red flag, as is his insistence that Dany is town for basically no reason.

[Something_Smart]

I don't remember them all. But I did mention his attitude on me talking about a rolecop was pretty bad.

[Something_Smart]

What is the guaranteed cop result? If scum have a doctor they have no reason to kill him.

[Something_Smart]

I don't think there is a not poor time to apply it?

[Something_Smart]

comical has had iDany as not town for like, 20 pages.

It doesn't make the read not weird.

[Something_Smart]

would like to hear another review from SS

SS will not be reviewing the setup pre-massclaim, except to say that the claimed power level is not so high that one of the PR's has to be scum.

[Something_Smart]

I was more referring to you generally possibly having a TMI read on the setup and doing setup manipulation was a strong possibility, idk how much I feel of it now, though, but it was worth posting for me so i could check my iso later

I mean me TMI'ing by bringing up a role that me or one of my scumbuddies had when I would not have brought it up otherwise is sorta a scumslip, or it's in the same vein anyway. Idk what you mean by setup manipulation though.

[Something_Smart]

Fence sitting openly is townie.

Can be. Depends on the context.

[Something_Smart]

if u get nigtkilled it means that im not scum b/c I'd kill alchem.

wut

[Something_Smart]

ss and alchemist ur up

Up to what? Claim? Why?

[Something_Smart]

I fell off a what now?

[Something_Smart]

I never agreed to a massclaim.

[Something_Smart]

That sounds like a bandwagon fallacy.

I prefer to think of it as I'm the only thing standing in between scum and complete setup knowledge.

[Something_Smart]

It basically sounds like you're asking me to claim VT or not Oka, because if I'm VT of course I say no.

[Something_Smart]

Whatever. If scum have an investigative of course they use it on me tonight.

I'm VT.