Open 775: Hard-Boiled Eggs [Game Over]

[Aloratom]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

[happyorange]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

Because you realized it's actually a good post, or because you realized it has zero bearing on mage's alignment?

[Aloratom]

VOTE: 72offsuit

He's had a few posts where he's seemed really confused. I've not seen that from him before. I'm getting bad vibes there.

[Aloratom]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

Because you realized it's actually a good post, or because you realized it has zero bearing on mage's alignment?

Neither. I read 423 out of context, so it didn't say what I thought it said initially. I'm not sure where I'm placing Battle Mage yet.

[Allomancer]

@Allomancer: I thought I recognized the name, but when I checked I found we have never player together before (I only

replace you

in previous game). Did you ever play with me as either AP/Judge Joseph Dredd??

I don't think so.

[Aloratom]

I don't think it's that simple, and please don't answer questions I've directed at other people.

I'll have 12 orders of Streisand effect, please.

[Madoka]

I'm not really up for discussing it. You can read my completed game / ask Looker/Hiraki for meta.

OK. Can you please provide a read list in one post? I don't really care if you have too many nulls. I just want something to check back on when we do have flips. Thanks in advance.

This is suspicious to me. I don't see the point of this question given 378 and 366. It reads as someone wanting to get in their brownie points.

[Madoka]

Pre catchup thoughts is that the team is ddl, Happy, and Almost.

I'll have a full catchup, reads, etc. within 24 hours.

[Hiraki]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

This is beautiful. Knew I wasn't wrong here.

[RCEnigma]

This is a bad post.

VOTE: Battle Mage

423

Ftr

[Tet]

This is a bad post.

VOTE: Battle Mage

423

Ftr

[Tet]

Dammit. I was being so sneaky.

[Aloratom]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

416 and 418, not 418 and 423. It's just a bad idea for the hider to give reads, but that doesn't mean he can't scum hunt.

[Aloratom]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

This is beautiful. Knew I wasn't wrong here.

Explain please.

[Aloratom]

Orange vs DK feels more like

TvT

to me

Uh, what? I don't remember doing anything other than ignoring DKK, not sure how you're imagining that as a TvT.

If it's not TvT, I take it you think DkKoba is scummy?

Does that mean something other than I think it does? I assumed it meant town versus town, aka two villagers fighting.

I think you've been calling Village what I would call Town (the good guys). I would call the Village the set of everyone who is playing and Town (the good guys) a subset and scum (the bad guys or werewolves) a subset.

Yeah, I use them interchangeably but tend to default to village. Village/town, villager/townie, wolves/mafia.

My confusion was that you called it TvT when you can't really have a shouting match if only one person is shouting.

I don't think you answered my question, or if you did, I didn't understand it. Did you think at that time that DkKoba was scummy?

[Tet]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

416 and 418, not 418 and 423. It's just a bad idea for the hider to give reads, but that doesn't mean he can't scum hunt.

Well, he gets a free check at night. Dkkoba dropping pressure on a slot signals to scum that there was a check there and that takes away a mislynch avenue but scum are privy to it. Then they axe that slot the following night.

The more clears that the hider has, or potential clears floating around, the more scum needs to panic.

[Aloratom]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

416 and 418, not 418 and 423. It's just a bad idea for the hider to give reads, but that doesn't mean he can't scum hunt.

Well, he gets a free check at night. Dkkoba dropping pressure on a slot signals to scum that there was a check there and that takes away a mislynch avenue but scum are privy to it. Then they axe that slot the following night.

The more clears that the hider has, or potential clears floating around, the more scum needs to panic.

I think I understand you. My point is that if the hider has a pool of Town reads, that's the pool scum shoot at, increasing their chances for a double kill.

[DrDolittle]

lmao rce

[Iconeum]

@allomancer, is there any particular reason you started giving game thoughts *after* 72 called you out on that? Did you just get caught?

I really don't see any town reasoning behind Dkkoba's recent posts.
VOTE: DkKoba

then what do you see? this is so superficial it makes me cringe

do you scumread his intention? do you see a scum setting something up?

->what and which posts make you scumread dkkoba?

VOTE: allomancer

allomancer plz respond

The series of posts were he tried to claim mafia bussing orange. While I obviously didn't think he was telling the truth, I couldn't see why town would do that, so I voted him thinking he was scum pushing a mislynch. Obviously that has since changed.

Could you see any reason why scum would do that? Why didn't you put this in a post in the first place, it's not like it's essay lenght or anything

Iconeum - your 'case' against me below, is based on your assertion I voted for Hiraki after Dkkoba claimed. This is untrue. In fact, it's so untrue, I can't believe you bothered to make it up. As I recall dkkoba claimed BECAUSE I'd voted for Hiraki.

I can live with an Iconeum lynch today for good ol' fashioned lies and deceit.

battlemage, first you build a case from the ground up starting in nearly your opening post on dkkoba
then when you can't continue that, you

instantly

devize a new case on someone you were previously townreading, and gave not a single indication to otherwise about

early read, based on a sample of her recent games, is Hiraki = town.

nice and easy townread on hiraki

1. What did u mean by not good?

It wasn't a good post.

2. What do u mean by VI i take it back?

Village Idiot.

Hold on....so all that was just a coded way to call me an idiot? keep it classy, and feel free to share some more fascinating insights with the group

annoyed at hiraki, but nothing remotely thinking this could be scum

Iconeum and I are vibing HARD. He can do all of the typing for me at this point that you guys might want.

I'm cool with that. Iconeum's less mean to me than you are!

not an interaction with a scumread if you ask me

Hiraki notes

It didn't strike me until I re-read, but despite posting often, Hiraki has made almost no contribution to the game so far. Mostly "I like this" or "Don't like that" or "X is town". At one point, asked DrDoLittle to explain his vote, despite the fact he is still voting for 72offsuit (since Page 1?) with no explanation. It does have a lot of hallmarks of scum making minimal actual effort, but wanting to seem like they have something valuable to progress the discussion. Little consistency of view - one post suspicious of Iconeum, subsequent post very friendly towards Iconeum. Has repeatedly conveyed a very confident town-read throughout on Allomancer, but still tempted to jump on the bandwagon at L-2.

Earlier I'd looked at some old Hiraki games, and had an initial town read, but foolishly didn't make notes on which ones/why.

Micro 714 is definitely worth a look if you're keen. In Micro 714, Hiraki (Mafia Goon) also didn't make any real contribution to discussion (died Day 1), and also put most of his focus into arguing about whether someone had a right to be maligned after he had clearly undermined them.

For contrast, in Minimal Normal 2002, Hiraki (Town) quite quickly got stuck in with views, which were well thought-out and coherently expressed.

From a quick skim of various other games, Hiraki's attitude to the game isn't a tell - he swears a lot and can be unduly aggressive regardless of alignment.
the distinction, on this very small sample, appears to be that Hiraki-town gives enough information to support his position, so that he has some hope of persuading others to join him. Hiraki-scum doesn't give enough information to influence anybody, but also not enough information for anyone to be able to disagree.

In this game, as with Micro 714, although Hiraki has thrown shade and picked sides (without saying why), he hasn't given enough of a hook to grab onto, or to really judge his reasoning one way or another.

Unvote, Vote: Hiraki

and after dkoba claim, BOOM insta scumread
it's also in the same style as your previous one, a hard case without any kind of effort into actually sorting the slot

both of them (hiraki and dkoba) feel very forced, like you feel obliged to have a read like this out.
what's your read on allomancer?

second vote: battle mage

please stand by, once i'm done with allomancer i'll be all over you

Well, if it's actually true that you cased Hiraki prior to the claim then most of my case falls in the water. If you think I'm scum pushing a bad case on you then you should 100% come after me.

@dkkoba, how are you townreading mage?

That was an old read, I'm keeping reads to myself now. now you can hop out my pocket <3

First, I don't think you know what a pocket means by reading this.
And second, how am I even remotely close to 'your pocket'?

[Iconeum]

Well okay then, apologies for the good 'ol lies and deceit there battle mage

[Iconeum]

VOTE: looker

??

[Iconeum]

you know perfectly well who I am and how I play

First part is true. Second part is questionable at best.

Spoiler:

Last game we played together (chkflip's Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition) I was Scum so didn't have to read you. The one before that was Mini Normal 2095, and -again- I was Scum. Going back another game (Mini Normal 2092) I was lynched on D1 (but you're right. I did TR you correctly in that game). In Role Call my own proposal was to make you Timid, and I voted for assigning you the Compulsive Quitter in D1.

Do you want me to go back further?

In short, I have no idea how to read you with precision.

I love you 2 x

[Iconeum]

@everyone who thinks voting is bad unless you actually lynch:

imagine if nobody had placed a vote yet this game
what information do you think would be here right now?

[Madoka]

What's the purpose of discussing it right now? Philosophy discussion just gives scum a way to post stuff without actually contributing.

[Iconeum]

ok

i'll just UNVOTE:

and wait until deadline to vote like you