Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Hectic]

grumble grumble
Fine. My vote is entirely biased at this point. Now, the question is where I should be voting instead.

[Hectic]

Wait, no. I admit I'm trying to find reasons to scumread her, but:
-Her unprompted claim. Not bringing it up at any point after.
-745
-Her reads/takes completely disalign with my own.

I don't see anywhere else that's better right now.

[Lady Chloe]

Farkran,

Well i was going to wait for lady chloe but this is taking a turn for the worse so i feel i need to step in now.

1) Capturing doesn't force anyone to claim. You are not removed from the game if you don't, you just lose 1 xp, up to 2 considering that you cannot train if you wanted to. Spring claimed on her own, and that was a terrible claim both in timing and nature. Voyeur is an uncommon enough role to assume no counterclaim would happen, and a weak enough role to validate surviving n1.

2) I find it very unlikely that a town PR only costs 1 xp to upgrade, even if it is a bad role. She said she misread, but then she never claimed the correct amount. After claiming role and xp, there was nothing to prevent her from telling the whole truth.

3) Spring votes end day in 664 after calling multiple people scum with great conviction. Inconsistent and survivalistic, and the timing of the vote sounds like sheeping chloe. This is reason A for believing spring is being either defended by scum or TMIed town, but scum is more likely

4) Post 651 is incredibly lamisty and assumes people have forced spring into a claim. It is not true. This is reason B.

I can compromise capturing conchord or chloe if not spring. I'm not voting day end to avoid wagonomics.

-Farkran

Chloe, i scumlean you - i have no issues with you as a person. I feel the need to correct wrong opinions and providing my own, but i don't want you to stop talking.

As you can see, i'm not immune to mistakes though.

-Farkran

I am not convinced by your latter post. You've already begun to say that you'd compromise on capturing me and two other players, instead of truly evaluating why I hold the opinions I do.

Your thirst for asserting your opinion over others while deeming not doing so - being the more scum-indicative approach - may come from a town mindset, if not scum who tries to control the narrative.

I added my reasons to Hectic's list for why no capture has a benefit.

Can you enlighten me on how you read Hectic and Springlullaby's interactions?

[Lady Chloe]

springlullaby,

MORATORIUM ON ALL CLAIM AND ROLE TALK

SCUM DO NOT NEED TO KNOW MORE

DO NOT ENGAGE WHEN PEOPLE ARE FISHING

I agree with your sentiment, but I wonder why you desire to dominate the thread with your presence.

[Hectic]

^So, now the goalpost is I'm not being equally suspicious of people who have made setup speculation error?
Why do your reason to suspect me changes every post you make?

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For the record.

Hectic not scum with either Farkset or Mastina.

Because scum always defend scum?

Why not scum? They've both been defending me.

Because scum always defend scum? Is that what you think?

Because scum always defend scum?

No, they don't, but why in this case do you think Farkran/Mastina are not scum defending scum!me?

I think it's unlikely that scum would buddy their buddy that hard.
Does that make sense?

Are you saying that when you flip scum, mastina and Fakran should be looked at as your buddies?

Actually Hectic and Farkset can be scum together again.

Explain what changed in that last post, springlullaby.

[springlullaby]

springlullaby,

MORATORIUM ON ALL CLAIM AND ROLE TALK

SCUM DO NOT NEED TO KNOW MORE

DO NOT ENGAGE WHEN PEOPLE ARE FISHING

I agree with your sentiment, but I wonder why you desire to dominate the thread with your presence.

Because I can.

[Lady Chloe]

Ame,

I acknowledge your claim, and I follow your train of thought on the capture, as I do with others who want to capture but am not quite convinced.

I want to strengthen my reads a bit more before I speak of them so openly.

Who am I to vote for, if not to avoid capturing?

[springlullaby]

BTW, Hectic is faking a tunnel now.

I haven't seen that before.

[Ginngie]

BTW, Hectic is faking a tunnel now.

I haven't seen that before.

like john henry tunneling or

[Hectic]

Lady Chloe, I leaked a readslist of yours that one time. I know you deny all main guesses even if correct though.

springlullaby, you're just so amazing that I can't stop thinking about you.

[springlullaby]

Ame,

I acknowledge your claim, and I follow your train of thought on the capture, as I do with others who want to capture but am not quite convinced.

I want to strengthen my reads a bit more before I speak of them so openly.

Who am I to vote for, if not to avoid capturing?

Lady Chloe, enough.

Plenty of material already.
Make up your mind on your own and provide an actual read.



@Ame, from my understanding, you can't be vigged.

This day needs to stop ASAP.
I see nothing good coming out of it.

[Ginngie]

Lady Chloe, I leaked a readslist of yours that one time. I know you deny all main guesses even if correct though.

springlullaby, you're just so amazing that I can't stop thinking about you.

is lady an alt lmao

and teach me how to alt guess people

[springlullaby]

BTW, Hectic is faking a tunnel now.

I haven't seen that before.

like john henry tunneling or

Don't know who that is.

[springlullaby]

Wait, no. I admit I'm trying to find reasons to scumread her, but:
-Her unprompted claim. Not bringing it up at any point after.
-745
-Her reads/takes completely disalign with my own.

I don't see anywhere else that's better right now.

Yeah right. Because you don't actually scumhunt.

[Ginngie]

BTW, Hectic is faking a tunnel now.

I haven't seen that before.

like john henry tunneling or

Don't know who that is.

Spoiler: John Henry is an american folklore legend. We are all taught this in school, honestly the 2 minute video does a great job explaining everything about the story.

[springlullaby]

^Yeah no to teen titan.

[Ginngie]

okay hold the fuck up.

It's the same voice actor of the OG Teen Titans and we all hate Go!

but for the story it does it's job.

[Ame]

Wait, no. I admit I'm trying to find reasons to scumread her, but:
-Her unprompted claim. Not bringing it up at any point after.
-745
-Her reads/takes completely disalign with my own.

I don't see anywhere else that's better right now.

-The unprompted claim seemed pretty townie though. I've never seen scum claim in that fashion, have you? FoC's is far more suspicious because it was for justification purposes.
-What is scummy about 745?
-What is scummy about that? Are your reads strong?

I don't think in your heart (or possibly mind) you really believe she is scum. Don't let the bias cloud your judgment! If Spring is just a fallback why haven't you pushed anyone else? Also why do you keep engaging with Spring when clearly nothing is coming out of your interaction except a loop of 'NO U'

(lol Ginngie)

[Hectic]

Sigh, who should I vote then, Ame? I think Pink Ball, Giingie, and momo are probably worth looking into.

[Pink Ball]

Pink Ball,

I think that not capturing has the same vibe that not lynching has. Would you no lynch on D1 because we don't have enough info? No, because the lynch per se is what gives the most info about players.

We capture someone, and then combined with later flips we get better and stronger cases on players' intentions. Not capturing is saving your money under your mattress. Guess what, you're losing money.

Say that capturing is always net positive for town here, where do you believe the votes should be going?

I don't know, that's why I'm not endorsing any capture yet (I mean I'm on Pine but that's not real)

[Ame]

I could go Pink Ball or momo. Do you not town lean Giingie? I thought you like their response before?

[Hectic]

HURT: momo

[Hectic]

I keep thinking Ginngie is spelt as Giingie too! Is that because you've been spelling it wrong since the start?

The "exactly what I was looking for" was a joke. She's almost entirely null. Mastina soulreads her as town which might be worth something though.

[Ame]

Hectic (1) what do you think about the case Farkset made in 454? (2) What do you think about the reasoning in their post here:

Unless i have past experiences with you, i'd like to see you quote some posts of mine that are surface level and delusional/manipulative.

For the record, based on this post, 550 and 313 VS the "opposition" i think there is a clear fracture around springlullaby and how to treat her slot. There is only one reason currently to believe she could be town, and that's how others are behaving around her. I think it's more than plausible that scum are putting up a theater to achieve several results:

1) distance themselves by having the scumteam side with or against springlullaby
2) those who are siding against her (and the majority) are pushing a very easy lhf
3) those who are siding with her will be pocketing her hard because she is the one with surface reads/reactions

(3) Are you able to interpret the first part of 760? And if so could you translate? If not, what's your best guess?

[Ginngie]

I keep thinking Ginngie is spelt as Giingie too! Is that because you've been spelling it wrong since the start?

The "exactly what I was looking for" was a joke. She's almost entirely null. Mastina soulreads her as town which might be worth something though.

lmao why do you think I didn't even do my signature game opener of "how town is player x"